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Yema and Panerai Crushing it (407 9.23.26)

Published on Sun, 11 Oct 2026 18:11:38 -0700

Synopsis

In this episode of Forty and Twenty: The WatchClicker Podcast, hosts Andrew and Everett return after taking their first unannounced month-long break in eight years of podcasting. Both hosts had recently traveled to Europe for the first time—Everett to Ireland and Scotland, and Andrew through Luxembourg, Belgium, France, Germany, and the Netherlands, where he visited the Christopher Ward and Farrer showrooms in the UK.

The discussion covers numerous watch releases from their hiatus, including Christopher Ward's new Bisque line C60 Trident models and C63 Sealander chronograph, Tudor's reintroduced North Flag (now one word) as a GMT, Yema's Superman with steel blue dial and in-house movement, Studio Underdog collaborations, and Panerai's new 42mm Luminor with 500m water resistance. They express particular enthusiasm for Yema's ability to offer in-house movements under $2,000 and Christopher Ward's continued bracelet innovations, including their new iLink system. Everett notes some disappointment that Tudor's North Flag revision feels "safer" than the quirky original, while both hosts praise Panerai for finally creating a more wearable size. The episode concludes with "other things" segments covering Andrew's JBL 770 noise-canceling headphones and Everett's quest for a vintage 1970s Holubar mountain parka, which he successfully found and wore throughout his trip to Ireland and Scotland.

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Speaker
Andrew Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to Forty and Twenty The WatchClicker Podcast with your hosts Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, how are you? You're muted. I'm muted.
Everett I'm good, Andrew. Uh I'm good.
Andrew And welcome back. Welcome back. We took an un uh an unannounced holiday.
Everett Yeah. Yeah, we did. And I
Everett don't uh you know, I think there's been some fear keeping us from having done that in eight years of doing this. You
Andrew know, it intel you get a sabbatical every seven years, so it seems appropriate that we got a holiday after eight.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. You know, when I it we we didn't totally plan it, but we didn't all we also didn't make effort to plan around it. So we knew there's gonna be some travel, we knew there's gonna be some other stuff going on, and uh by the time we were in it, I was like, you know, this feels right. This feels right. not not doing the podcast. That actually feels a little wrong. But it felt right to like let's take just a minute, step back, let's do our things. Uh, for me, that was uh you know, in addition to just life, took a trip to Europe, my first European trip. I went to Ireland and Scotland. Uh you you also separately.
Andrew Yeah, not not together. Uh not together. I also I spent two weeks in Europe. Uh I went to Luxembourg and Belgium and France and Germany and uh the Netherlands.
Everett Actual Europe where people don't speak English.
Andrew Uh everyone spoke English. The only places where I encountered like not English speaking people were in Luxembourg, where English is one of their official languages. Everyone else, like they would fight through and try to get some English and we'd do pointy talkie and get there. But the non-Luxembourgish, non-English-speaking people in Luxembourg were just rude about it. Oh
Everett really? Yeah, you you order a croissant
Andrew and the the French-speaking people look at you sideways. Like, bitch, you know what I I'm asking for. I'm even pointing at it. And I said C Vu play. You know I'm trying. It was a really fun trip. It was also my first European vacation experience. It was my first like real travel, like out of the United States. Like I've been to Mexico and Hawaii before, but uh Yeah,
Everett I've traveled quite a bit around North America, but yeah, same for me. Yeah. well, good. It's fun to be back. it's nice to be back. So this is our first recording in I think a month. A
Andrew month, yeah. We took a full month off. Yeah.
Everett Yeah. Uh and and the nice part about not recording for a month is there were so many potential watches to talk about.
Andrew Yes. We have weeks where it's like,
Everett well, this is what we got. Kind of
Andrew hate it all. Uh but
Everett not so. Not so not so. we got a lot of good stuff. Andrew I I I do have to ask you, how are you?
Andrew Uh I'm good. I'm also on the heels of vacation and chugging on along, staying busy. Uh I forgot to mention also during my trip we stopped for we stopped in the UK for two days and got to visit the Christopher Ward showroom and the Farrer showroom. Just a showroom, exactly. It's uh it's his house.
Everett Yeah. It's a it's a little compound
Andrew on his property. Uh it seemed sketchy, certainly seemed like we were about to be abducted, but it was a really, really delightful experience. Uh so yeah, got even got to do some watch stuff.
Everett Yeah while we're traveling in Europe. And
Andrew for those of you in Europe who we did not hit up, it was kind of a uh smash and grab through through London. We were there for like 36 hours.
Everett Yeah. I I was in Edinburgh and I managed to meet up with Tom Clemens. Kim and I had brunch with Tom Clemens and at at a beautiful restaurant. And uh yeah, it it was like it was the one watch thing. And I don't think we talked about watches but for about forty five seconds. You know, it was really. Uh it was really nice. Yeah. So here we are. Here we are. And we are here to talk about watches.
Andrew Yeah, we are. We are here to talk about watches.
Everett Uh it in in honor of our in honor of our first vacation, Andrew, do you want to kick us off? Oh. I don't actually know what that means or how that can I
Andrew don't honor the the vacation part of it. Um, but I am gonna kick us off, and I'm gonna kick us off with a watch that I unfortunately did not get to see in person, but I did get to see the embargoed photographs of with Christopher Ward of the um bisquay line that just came out. And man, this is I think a really fantastic update to the C60 Trident. These are just phenomenal. So we've got a couple a few colorways coming in. Um my my the my jam on this is uh you're you're gonna be shocked, is the black. Uh because it's just so good. The bronze and green is absolutely phenomenal. I would I would have done bad things to have seen it in person. Uh they were not expecting me, but they knew I was coming, if that makes any sense. When my friend made the reservation, he included that I was going to be with him. Uh, and we're we're in the middle, we're just chatting with the guy who doesn't know me from Adam, who just is seeing this appointment, and then their marketing fellow comes in and is like, hey, you're from. And I'm like, oh, yeah. But I didn't know this has happened. So I was like, how? There's no way you recognize me because I don't know you. Like, uh, so we chatted for a little bit and they showed me the the product photography for these, uh, weren't any in-person to see.
Everett Yeah. Uh, but man, these are cool. the
Andrew bronze and green is just phenomenal. The one thing that I'm I'm not a huge fan of, um, even on the black, is just that it's not quite tan, it's not quite yellow or white, it's just a little bit phoetined, and I could I could do without that. And that's something Christopher Ward has done a lot in their kind of military-inspired mil spec lines is have that Fotina. Um it's part of what they do, but I I could it's not enough of any one of them for it to really hit hit for me. The rest of the watch is fantastic though.
Everett Yeah. No, I I think the I think these are great. They do feel more um I don't know what the right word is. They feel a little less serious than uh Christopher Ward um has felt in recent in recent past. And I mean that in a good way, right? I don't mean that in a bad way. These feel more um casual and. I mean casual like
Andrew they're not the GMT extreme, right? Like
Everett an M51 field jacket or whatever, right? They feel uh vintage without being uh without being uh you know cosplay they they feel you you know i think that big that big dial and the relatively narrow bezel pushed way out there and kind of sloped down it just feels like a chill watch. And actually, Andrew, I'm with you, always with you. Like Fotina is not for me. However, I think the Fotina plays a role here in making this a more approachable, uh a more approachable watch. This is a pretty serious i mean the the watch is spec relatively well and yet this watch doesn't feel like it's uh like trying to convince you of its own. It doesn't
Andrew feel like the trident, right? Which is this kind of overbuilt tool watch. It is the trident in an inner in an iteration of it, but it doesn't feel its chest isn't puffed out and it's not like walking with imaginary lat syndrome. Uh it's just it's a little bit um whimsical is almost it.
Everett Yeah. we've got uh something I've never seen before here is surface hardening on the aluminum bezels to 250 Vickers. Is that I've I've never seen that
Andrew before choose that over sapphire. I think I think part of it is the texture that it gives. Sapphire just has a really, really single use for a bezel insert.
Everett Yeah. I think aluminum's the right play
Andrew here. The other thing that I got to see while I was there, uh were these iLinks, and these iLinks are as good as you hoped they would be. Okay. They are as intuitive, they're as as easy to use. Uh they're fantastic. The only other application that I can think of, or the only other implementation of this type of bracelet that I've seen is in Cartier, and it is every bit as good as Cartier's.
Everett You know, Christopher Ward's really doing a great job with their bracelet bracelet development. It's slow. it never feels like a big announcement, but I can't think of another company. Uh y you know, you know, Monta in some ways, but really Christopher Ward is a leader in pushing forward its bracelets. The bracelet's not an afterthought. The bracelet's not that they're not satisfying using existing like means and methods. They're constantly trying to make these bracelets better. And not just, you know, one thing. it seems like every year Christopher Ward is like, hey, we improved this aspect of the bracelet, and now we're we're going to spread that across all of our models, which all use these very few bracelets, and so you're going to be able to reap the rewards of that with pretty much any watch that you purchase from us. I love that.
Andrew Once they finally put their foot on the gas to to do bracelet development, because there was a time when they their bracelets were were subpar relative to the rest of their watch. And now I mean their their bracelets are as good as anybody's.
Everett I don't remember the last time we had Mike France on the show, probably twenty twenty two ish. Uh but yeah, w that was right before they sort of made that big push.
Andrew 'Cause I uh it it wasn't because of me. They knew that the bracelets didn't taper. But that was a component that was one of uh the conversation points. I don't remember if we did it on or off air, but uh they knew the they knew it.
Everett Yeah, and you could tell Mike knew that they
Everett were gonna push in this direction too. He like had a little twinkle in his eye when he started the like he didn't take offense. He was like, I got you. I
Andrew hear, yeah, I hear you. We hear you. We hear
Everett you. Yeah. And it it was, it
Andrew was really uh yeah, their their bracelets are just they they hold up. they're a total package now. It's not a good watch with an okay bracelet. It's a it's a great watch, great bracelet. Uh and these are gonna be no different.
Everett Yeah. Uh Andrew, uh
Andrew I I didn't get to see a pan Am in person. They said those went away like hotcakes, but I was prepared to purchase one if I saw one in person.
Everett Um, I don't know when it was, and I don't actually even recall how certain I was about it, but at some point in the last year. At some point in the last
Andrew time.
Everett I and I think you agreed with me, uh predicted that Tudor's coming back with the North Flag. It's gonna happen. This is gonna happen. I predict this is gonna happen. Well
Andrew we we wielded it into existence.
Everett You know, obviously um that wasn't like the most uh that wasn't the most risky prediction ever made, but it just felt like the time was right. And alas, Geneva Watch Days, Tudor reintroduces the North flag. Um obviously that's what they've done. They've done a few uh a few interesting things with the release. Well, they've done a whole lot of interesting things. But the thing that first struck me was that North Flag is now one word. And did they lose the
Andrew IP, do you think? I mean,
Everett I don't think so. I can't imagine. I I just
Everett don't get I I saw that and I was like, that looks wrong. North flag wasn't one word. And sure enough, no, in 2015, Tudor released the North Space Flag. And in 2026, Tudor released the North Flag. All one word. I don't feel any particular way about it. It is a good way to set the
Andrew tone for I'm not grumpy.
Everett I don't think it's a bad move. I was just like, what? Why? uh look. I'm going to everybody's looked seen this watch at this point. If you're listening to this show, you've seen this watch. You've thought about this watch. You've made opinions about this watch. Some of you probably bought this
Andrew watch. Certainly. Well i it it
Everett and and good for you, that's an expensive purchase. Um with that said, I'm I'm gonna lead here with my overall feeling, which is a I'm excited that Tutors brought this back. I've lot long thought that this was uh something that
Everett Tutor could and should
Everett be selling. Uh and and and B, I'm sad that I think they've neutered it a little bit. Uh what we have here is a relatively safe, a relatively safe watch that utilizes that utilizes some of the characteristics of the watch previously known as the Tudor North Space Flag. and yeah, so I'm disappointed about that. I I'm disappointed that this watch isn't weirder. Okay, so we'll we'll leave that alone for a second. We'll leave that alone for a second. Watches
Andrew like Shader Sanders. Uh all the hype and just
Everett you know the reality is that the North Flag sold, I think, between roughly 2015 and 2022, seven years or so. And it it was not a hugely popular watch.
Andrew Hey, there was a lot of competition in that space for it. I mean there was the Ranger was out at the time. I was pre uh the pre Black Bay. I think maybe the Black Bay was meant to be the
Everett Black Bay was out of the point. it just wasn't ever it just wasn't ever, you know garnering the attention that uh the you know the palagos or uh other uh other watches in tutor's lineup had had garnered so tutor got rid of it i think that's fine, right? you can still go get an old
Everett North Fag uh North flag uh
Everett Gen 1 um if that's something you want. Um but but it's gone. It's gone. This new version, again, I I think this is safer. So a couple things right off the bat. We've instead of a time-only three-hander with a power reserve, we've got a GMT. I I let's just sort of put that on the table. The North Flag is now a GMT watch. Also. Which Okay, why not? Why not? Tutor's other sort of notable uh Tutor's other sort of notable um GMT. They make a few, but uh really when I think of Tutor and GMT, I think of the Black Bay Pro. This is in my mind a much more compelling GMT than the Black Bay Pro. The Black Bay Pro has uh always been, in my mind, problematic. People buy them. People buy them. It's a beautiful watch, but it's a chunk. And it it's problematic because it's a chunk. This, you know, I think is almost two millimeters thinner than the Black Bay Pro. Um and
Andrew Yeah, these are what uh where is it?
Everett Yeah, it's like thirteen thirteen five, I think. And it is uh and it is a this is a handsome watch. no doubt about it. This is a handsome watch. We still have that stylized 12 and 6 with uh with um you know printed uh printed rectangles around the rest of the way. They've added 24 hour markers a on the outside ring. They've gotten rid of the they've gotten rid of the black ceramic ring that I think was sort of uh a th thinging and I loved it. And they've also obviously they've gotten rid of the power reserve indicator.
Everett Probably for good reason. Nobody liked the power
Everett reserve indicator. Nobody likes a power reserve indicator on an automatic watch. It's kind of stupid. I'm gonna say I I don't even necessarily, I'm not even necessarily married to the power reserve indicator, but I love that the power reserve indicator made this watch weird.
Andrew Everything about that watch was weird. The case shape was weird. The lug shape was kind of weird.
Everett And so we've still got we've got a slim-down case. It's the same size, but everything is smaller. The lug-to-lug is smaller. It's a little bit thinner. I mean it's it's just a slightly more wearable watch. Um and it's probably a more wearable watch. The uh they've curved the lugs down, whereas the original kind of sat high and proud. They've not only shortened the lug
Everett to lug, but they've also curved those
Everett lugs down. So it it's probably ergonomically a much better feeling watch. Uh bracelets basically the same. It looks
Andrew like it could be new old stock. They've
Everett added a bit of a curve. Uh they've added a bit of a curve to the body. And so this is undeniably oh and they changed out the they changed out the second's hand a little bit uh this is undeniably a
Everett a good revision to
Everett this watch um in in some ways certainly ergonomically I think in some ways aesthetically and yet I'm a little disappointed andrew oh also it's fifty is fifty five hundred bucks. It's an expensive watch, right? It's an expensive watch. it is, I think, up there with Tudor's most expensive watches, which
Andrew why shouldn't be? It's fair. It's uh everything about it says it should be.
Everett Yeah, that's right. That's right. In-house movement. Yeah, you know, a actually one thing I didn't realize until I was really reading about this. The North Flag was Tudor's exhibition of its new in-house movement.
Andrew I didn't know that. Of its first in-house
Everett movement. And yeah, you know, this is being released on what Tudor is referring to as its hundredth birthday, um, which is kind of not real. Uh Tudor, I I think the IP for Tutor was introduced in 1926. I think Tutor uh
Everett was the Tutor brand was
Everett being used on watches at some point in the 30s, but it's not until really in the 40s when watches when tutor watches are being released. and then they went away. No, the
Andrew first paperwork was filed a hundred years ago.
Everett So it you know that that is what it is. We're talking about the North Flag. And so I I'm I'm okay with this watch. I like this watch. I uh the watch in a vacuum is fine. I'm not gonna actually present any complaints about this watch because I think it's a great watch. It just saddens me a little bit that the funky, weird, adventurous North flag has become and sorry, I'm gonna say it like all of Tudor's releases, which is to say safe and close to the vest.
Andrew I'm good with that. Yeah.
Everett Yeah. I'm good with that. Yeah. I I'm good with it too, but I'm a little disappointed by it.
Andrew I I think it's I think it's reasonable. I I think reviving what's almost like a cult classic is nigh on impossible.
Everett Yeah. No, you you're you're right. You're right.
Andrew And the reason it was a cult classic. And that's true
Everett for movies that,'s true for anything
Andrew that has anything that has like an emotional uh what's the word I'm looking for? In a rational emotional attachment to, you're not gonna be able to revive it. It's going to fall on its face. It's either going to dissatisfy the people who have loved it always, or it will continue to be weird and be appreciated only by the people who have left it away.
Everett Yeah, no, it's good it's it's it's a good point. And it's the right point to make Andrew. Uh I but I can be sad.
Andrew Just don't do the North flag. They didn't, they did the North flag.
Everett The North flag. Yeah. So you
Andrew know, this is the the more handsome junior uh
Everett what's next. Oh, another
Andrew Christopher Ward in the C63 lineup. I'm digging the the ass that they're putting into the C63. We have the C63 Sealander chronograph. Uh totally mechanical chronograph. This is terrific. And it's a C63 platform. So you already know what this watch looks like. Uh it's got really great shaped lugs, three six nine some uh registers
Everett coming, very fine.
Andrew Uh yeah Uh no it's funny the the code to my uh Airbnb rhymed with that. So I that's how I remember the code. Three six nine
Everett damn she fine. Uh that's how
Andrew I remembered it. Um uh so we have some interesting colors here. Uh we have a traditional black, a traditional white. Uh it's a panda, and then an all-black, so black sub-registers. We have a pink with black sub-dials, an interesting green with black subdials. I think that might have been better with white subdials. Or maybe color matched. I don't know. I really like the green, but the black doesn't land for me.
Everett Do you have a I I know you hate to apply names to uh that's pistachio though, right?
Andrew Yeah, but pistachios are green.
Everett Okay. like names outside of I
Andrew don't know how to name colors man. But that's pistachio.
Everett Okay. is it not gonna grumble if I if I call that pistachio?
Andrew Is it not green also? It no it is.
Everett I'm not criticizing your use of the word green. I'm saying like if we're gonna be a little bit more specific. A youre okay with that specificity?
Andrew I accept pistachio. These
Everett things slap, dude. Uh yes.
Andrew Uh polished lacquer, white, black, pink, sky blue, or pistachio, uh, recess subdials, applied loop applied luminous indices, 41mm case, 48 lug to lug, 139 thick on this SW510-1 automatic chronograph, manual winding, hacking seconds, 100 meters of water resistance. And here's the the real uh the real slapper. Uh under 3,000 bucks on a bracelet.
Everett yeah. 2550, right? Yeah. Or twenty five fifty euro. So
Andrew yeah. Yeah. So I mean you yeah, you might be into the it's it's twenty six hundred and twenty-five US money.
Everett Yeah, two thousand seven hundred and sixty seven on a bracelet.
Andrew Oh yeah. Bader bracelet with i link, yeah. Yeah, on the beta. So but we're still coming in under three thousand dollars.
Everett Under three thousand. Yeah. Uh you well, I don't know
Andrew how customs is gonna get you coming across the pond.
Everett Yeah, that's a good point. Um I mean can't you buy can't you like get these in Houston
Everett or whatever? Uh
Andrew you I'm they have to be in their in their showrooms.
Everett You think, yeah. Um and
Andrew there's there's five in these United States right now. And I got a little teaser that we should expect one on the West Coast.
Everett Oh wow. Mm-hmm. It's gotta be LA.
Andrew One would think. Yeah. Um maybe
Everett San Francisco, but probably LA. My guess would
Andrew be LA. Yeah. Yeah.
Everett Um no dude, these are freaking rad, man. Oh, they say pistachio. That that's their own word.
Andrew I thought I thought that's why you were being a dick about it.
Everett no. I uh no no. I they use that word. No,
Everett I didn't realize it. Yeah.
Everett Uh no, these are fucking
Everett great, dude. uh Christopher Ward
Andrew can do no wrong right now. Everything they're hitting, they're hitting out of the park.
Everett Yeah, well that you know that might be a little bit
Andrew Where'd they miss in the last two years? I don't
Everett know if they missed anywhere. Where did they even
Andrew send up a foul in the last two years? Christopher
Everett Ward has been a company I've always loved. like
Everett really low-hanging fruit with Christopher Ward. It's that their prices are climbing so often and aggressively. But I
Everett think that they are they're doing it the right way, right? They're showing the development
Everett in real time. They're showing the
Everett work that they're doing. You know, we just praised them on all their work bracelet work, right? So y
Everett you know, there was a time when Christopher Ward was a sub thousand dollar watch company. And they're just clearly not that.
Andrew Well they're not making sub thousand dollar watches anymore. All their manufacturing has improved. They're using higher quality movements. They're using more development and technology.
Everett I I'm just saying, like there is that uh uh and of course every watch company wants to scale up, right? If everybody could sell a thirty thousand dollar watch, maybe they would do well, I don't know, maybe not. But you know, you know, the long and the short of it is, yeah, they want to make a better watch and be able to have people pay people pay for that watch.
Andrew They want to be able to pay the people to make that watch.
Everett This is I this is great. it does give me a little bit of a uh uh s d I get a little Saco vibe with it. A little
Andrew SSB vibe out of it, yeah. Yeah. I
Everett I was thinking speed timer-ish. Yeah.
Andrew I think it's that thin tach meter bezel on it. Uh I think their aluminum also um it's it's certainly reminiscent of like racing chronographs. Like not just a chronograph, but it's reminiscent of that kind of like Seiko era of racing chronographs.
Everett Yeah, no, clearly this is a yeah. Clearly a racing chronograph. Uh I I like these. These are they I think they did a really good job on these. Um I could
Andrew do without the pink. That one that one doesn't do it for me. The pistachio doesn't do it for me.
Everett Yeah, w The white does. Uh the white's great. Uh the white's great. The um the
Everett black's good. Uh I uh I think as I often
Andrew So is the blue the I
Everett I think as I often do uh
Everett with Christopher Ward, I I'm not sure they've
Everett released the color version of this that I like.
Andrew What do you want it in? I don't know. Oh, you're not right. yeah. I
Everett don't know. The itch isn't scratched. Yeah, the itch hasn't been scratched. Yeah. which has been the case for me often. You know, I I felt that way with all with the twelves. Um I felt
Everett that way with the thin twelves. I don't remember what they call those, but
Andrew Oh what were they? I put one of those on. Man, it was just crazy good.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. It does seem
Everett to be a recurring theme with me and Christopher
Everett War where I and normally I'm like a
Everett black on black. Yeah, let's do it. And
Everett this is obviously a good watch. If I was gonna get one of these, that's the one I would probably get. Um but maybe if they drop some
Andrew black accent or some red accents on it.
Everett Nah I hate that. No. That always feels super cheap to
Everett me. No, I'm not sure. I I I'm not sure. And I I I won't try to like say, oh, if it was just this, I'd like it better. I I actually I will. Uh this
Everett needs a really, really dark midnight
Everett blue. I think that's that would be the one for me.
Andrew Oh, no, not for me. or like Do you think possibly your your distaste for the black is that they have it in this uh article on the teal rubber strap.
Everett No, because I'm on a bracelet right now. Okay.
Andrew I'm looking at it on a bracelet right now. This is a
Everett it's a matte ceramic bezel, is that
Everett right? Oh, I have to look. Yeah, I
Andrew think I think that ceramic would make sense. Yeah, I
Everett think it's a matte ceramic. But I thought it was aluminum. No,
Everett and of course it this looks great. I won't even criticize anymore. But they're they're not scratching the color edge for me. So um man, Andrew, a
Everett watch that caught me off guard.
Everett Actually, no, I'll come back to that. I'll come back
Everett to that. Uh because I
Everett want to talk about uh you know, we we've said a lot of good things about Christopher Ward today. And in the last year, year and a half, we've said a lot of good things about Yemma. But
Everett Yemma continues for me, continues to be the brand
Everett that I'm just you say Christopher Ward can do no wrong. I think
Everett Yemma can do no wrong.
Everett Every time Yemma releases a watch, I'm like, you guys,
Andrew you nailed it, and I'm here for it,
Everett and I'm really proud of you. I'm really proud of you, Yemma. Um another brand like Christopher
Everett Ward that's been sort of moving up
Everett the ladder for w watch prices, uh do in large part because of, like Christopher
Everett Ward, their in-house movement development.
Everett Well Christopher Ward's not doing in-house movements. Well sure they are. Not
Andrew the same grade, not the same scale. It's
Everett different. Right. It it's different. Y Yememmama's CMM movements are uh you know some of
Andrew the coolest in the industry. I'm not qualified
Everett to say, you know, mechanically speaking, blah blah blah. I'm not qualified, and so I won't. With that said, as a casual consumer
Everett of watch media, uh
Andrew they they it seems to me like
Everett uh Yama's really done a cool thing with these CMM movements. So they've released Superman, probably their flagship watch. They've released a version of the Superman now where they have um and that's their bezel lock system. Uh where they've introduced uh kind of subtle changes, but they're
Everett really good. So we get a we
Everett get a new steel blue dial,
Everett and it's fantastic. It's like a sunburst dark midnight. We were just talking about dark midnight.
Everett And instead of their
Everett like standard printed mixed
Everett markers, this has a
Everett like 70s style square luminous baton uh uh uh marker all the way around all the way around and it it does something. it does something to the watch. So it this is just this is just a superman. But those square markers do something in my mind to this watch that just takes it to the next level. Yes. It is retro without being without being silly. It is just gorgeous. This is a gorgeous watch. I saw it and I was like, whoa, what is that? And because of how reflective and how deep the color on the dial is, it in pictures, this thing looks like
Andrew it could be every color of the blue,
Everett totally different from phototograph to photograph. So spec wise, we've got a um just a regular Superman here with Yemma's in-house CMM 1.0, 4 hertz, 70 hours of power reserve, minus 3 to plus 5 seconds per day is the rating on that movement. Uh, and it's a very thin movement, which allows them to get this thing down to 10.3. So 39 millimeters wide, 10.3 thick, 47mm lug to lug, which is a fantastic, by the way. That's 10.3. That's 10.3 without the crystal
Andrew without the crystal. So it does
Everett come up to like 11 with the crystal, I think. And 300 meters of water resistance with Yemma's bezel lock system. This is a really, really
Everett cool watch. Um and
Everett and with that movement, you're getting in-house. This thing's coming in at $1,890 on rubber or $1,999 on the bracelet, which is
Everett freaking nuts for what
Everett you're getting. You don't get into in-house
Andrew movements for under $2,000. Yeah, I mean
Everett gnomos, gnomos. But you're
Andrew you're sitting right at $2,000 with gnomos.
Everett Yeah. Uh this
Andrew is this is insane. This color is great. Everything about this watch screams like James Bond. Like Sean Connery, James Bond to me.
Everett I would never have come up with that, but I
Andrew it's techie and I find no fault with
Everett that description. But without any
Andrew of the it's it's refined but still very sleek, very felt. The thinness on a 300 meter dive watch is like next to impossible.
Everett Yeah. We just don't see that kind of
Andrew that that Y axis on 300 meter dive watches.
Everett Yeah. Regular production model. So if you like it. If you like it,
Everett y y you can get it.
Andrew I do like it. I do in fact like it.
Everett Try it. You might like it. Same price as the rest of the Supermans, right? So basically this is just a Superman. Uh What's next, Andrew?
Andrew Okay, for me. Uh we have some Studio Underdog collaborations that I want to or uh some studio underdog just releases. Uh so first is the collaboration with Ahmed Sadiqi, uh Chan Thriad, Kingfish, limited edition. Uh This is a fell
Everett tell me more. So
Andrew it is inspired by the UAE's most prized game fish, which is the kingfish. Uh it is a kind of a how would you describe this color? I think I'm gonna go like a gray blue with like blotching on the edges. Basically so this Yeah,
Everett blotchy, that's what I would say. blotchy on the edges.
Andrew Daps, uh dabs, dips, dots of dark colour. Uh and then a a really lovely rose kind of salmon and a little bit slightly darker, almost like coral orange ring on the outside of the dial with a similar rose and color matched sub-dials at your three and nine respectively. Eastern Arabic numerals on all of your subdials and the dial itself. This thing is I I think one of my favorite colors that Studio Underdog has done. So there uh there's only twenty or excuse me, only a hundred pieces of them are gonna get made. Um they were they were available exclusively from Ahmed Siddiqui, uh, and they were only 2600 bucks. Yeah,
Everett no, no, it's a hey, look, it would this be a dial that I designed? No, absolutely not, but
Andrew for a UAE-based collaboration with the studio underdog signatures. This is my favorite. I think one of my favorite color combinations. It's
Everett a hundred pieces. I I I wish there was more saturation in the dial, but yeah, I mean whatever. Like this is such a
Everett this is nothing to say about it. Comes on a mesh
Andrew bracelet or on this uh kind of textured leather strap.
Everett And I don't know how studio underdogs how good their mesh is, but I'm sure it's good.
Andrew I I wonder where diminishing return is on mesh too.
Everett Well I'll tell you I've got my stibe and it's the nicest thing. I think I think it's
Everett above what most people have i in mesh. I I think that
Andrew probably um the mesh coming in
Everett at two hundred to $300 is worth it. You know, Omega is is selling their mesh for way more than that. The point of diminishing returns is below that.
Andrew it's on the the stamp on the buckle.
Everett but what you're paying for with Omega is OEM and blah blah blah. Even though Steve is making them probably. Um but yeah,
Everett I I uh that stibe that stibe
Everett mesh that I have is just freaking nuts.
Everett Uh so uh yeah,
Everett I I I don't I don't think this is a stibe quality. Maybe I doubt
Andrew it's unlikely for cause these are what 20 what I say, 2600 bucks for only a hundred of them. And it's it's everything Studio Underdog with the infusion of this UAE uh Ahmed CD key.
Everett And what about this new O2 series?
Andrew Oh, yeah. The Studio Underdog O2. So the O2, uh we just talked about an O one or an O3, excuse me, right? An O3? Yeah, the O3 chronograph. Bicompact single pusher. This new O1 or O2 series is the Mantis. Their first limited edition Gen 2.
Everett It's pink. It is.
Andrew It is uh it's actually that blue that uh you know mantis is from uh guardians of the galaxy. No, this is a full loomed green dial that is just terrific. And that's all. It's an O2 three-hander, all the same studio underdog that you know, with a full loom dial, and it looks great.
Everett Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. No,
Everett this is this is great. This definitely feels
Everett when I saw this, I was like, have we not ever
Everett seen this before? Because it feels like
Everett a like a mojito or something that
Everett m Studio Underdog must have released before,
Everett but the kicker is that full loon, right?
Andrew Because he did do a mojito not that long ago and it was similarly colored, but it's it's not full loomed. One thing that I'm interested in, so this they're 1200 bucks, limited to production, uh, they have a nine hour order window. With uh on this article, there's no date. Uh so we we may have missed it. Um but what I'm interested in is um Studio Underdog obtained uh exclusive rights to Seagull and is dropping a lot of watches with Salita movements.
Everett Oh well I mean I think that this is like that's for their chronographs. This is this is the three-hander. I think they've always used Solita for their three hand stuff. So I I Siegel is not, as far as I know, not making any all that compelling three-handers when there's
Everett options from Selita available.
Everett So I I I mean I m that makes sense to me.
Andrew Uh this Ahmed Sadiqi is a Salita five ten.
Everett Oh interesting. Yeah. I I I I hadn't
Everett seen that. Well it it is a uh it is a
Andrew but I'm I'm I'm pontificating, pondering, waxing poetic on my wonderings and musings.
Everett We're at forty-three minutes, Andrew. Oh,
Andrew we're at forty-three minutes., which is fine Which
Everett is fine. Actually, we're probably at 41 minutes.
Everett Uh-ish. If
Everett you're watching at home and you're like, they're not at 43 minutes.
Everett Uh it's because we had to cut out. Andrew said some
Everett really terrible stuff and I'm probably gonna cut it out. It should
Andrew not ever be repeated. Uh
Everett but there are two watches I know I really want to talk about. Do you have any uh what where where are
Everett you at? I'm gonna
Andrew do something wild this week.
Everett No. I'm not going to close
Andrew the links. Oh my gosh. I'm going to hold on to them for next week. So we can do your two.
Everett Oh, okay. So the first one I want to talk about is Panorai. Panorai.
Everett Panorai, Panorai, Panorai. A couple A
Everett couple of years ago, Panorai released You
Andrew know quarterly I sign you and Will up for their newsletter?
Everett uh A couple of years ago, Panorai released a um I I think it was a
Everett 40 millimeter watch or a 41 millimeter watch. Anyway,
Andrew it was appropriately sized, I recall. they released
Everett a watch that was like, oh, this is not
Everett huge. This is not huge. Uh
Everett and then they gave it fifty meters of water resistance.
Everett And everybody was like, Gotcha, bitch.
Everett Like what uh Panorai,
Everett have you have you paid any attention to uh anyway,
Andrew what people like about you? and
Everett then they do, I mean they just release a lot of weird what like
Everett that's neat. I'm not paying $1,000. I don't know
Everett who is someone paying $5 grand for that fucking thing and it's not me.
Everett Uh so uh panorai, I love the idea of Panorai.
Everett I I love I
Everett saw there's a there's a fellow who uh
Everett has a number of times sat in front of
Everett me at the football games. I don't think he's the season ticket holder, but he has he has been in that seat often. So you must have a relationship with the season ticket holder at the Oregon football games. And
Everett he has a 1993
Everett or thereabouts Luminar on 44 millimeter on a rubber strap. Like dope. It's
Everett dope. It is. Is it is it a manufacturer
Andrew rubber strap? So it's got the panoright logo in it.alia Yes. Yes. Y,es
Everett yes Y,es. yes, And it's a perfect watch. I asked him about it once and he was like, my kids got it for me. Uh and I was like, okay, he don't want A, you don't want to talk about it, and B, you don't have anything to say about it. It's awesome though.
Andrew What are your kids doing that they got you a panorama?
Everett I I don't know. Does he need
Andrew more kids? Yeah.
Everett I I don't know. Yeah. can can I be can I be
Andrew offering myself up to to be to be one of his kids so that I can join the family business or whatever.
Everett Panorai has finally, has finally, finally, finally finally decided they were like, you
Everett know what, let's let's make watches. Let's make watches for the folks that
Everett want a panor eye that's actually a panor eye, but that don't want a 44 for sure a 47 millimeter case.
Everett They released a 42 millimeter, 13.8 thick, which sounds
Everett like a lot, but we'll come back to that. But we're at a 42mm
Andrew watch. 138ths of proportionate.
Everett Fully stacked luminar with 500 meters of water resistance.
Andrew There it is. Now you're
Everett not gonna get a sandwich dial. It is a printed dial.
Andrew It's a printed dial, which uh oh okay.
Everett okay. Um, but it is otherwise.
Everett It is otherwise, I think, perfect.
Everett 13.8, but we've got a heavily
Everett domed crystal, so that's gonna be that's gonna be
Everett something. We've got this perfect slow
Everett bezel uh the flanks are you know really high and tight like they're supposed to be um uh uh yeah we've got we we've got Swiss Luminova uh on the dial. In-house is there
Andrew not tritium on any of these? P980,
Everett no, no tritium. Um which is a four hertz 72 hour movement. pan ray always does good power reserves. Um uh uh and we've got you know these coming in on color match canvas. Um
Everett yeah, this is good. And Andrew and Andrew
Everett 6500 or 7500 euro for the DLC.
Andrew Oh. So we have something reasonably priced.
Everett We do. And appropriately sized
Andrew for for what this is. Yeah.
Everett That's right. That's right. I I mean this is just like uh uh uh uh for the second time tonight I'm just gonna say no notes. Panorai.
Andrew No, colors are right. S I mean, where where have you been?
Everett I'm sure Panorai is feeling squeezed. You know, everybody knows watch sales are down. Um, some watch sales are down, costs are up, etc. I'm sure someone at Panorai was like, Can we please, for the love of God, make a watch that someone will buy? I gotta imagine this is it.
Andrew It is still big. they size it well. the ergonomics of it make it wear very comfortable for a 44.
Everett That's right but it's it's still a still a big
Andrew bitch. That's a big bitch. And
Everett this a 42 millimeter is
Everett this still going to be a big watch. But I think
Everett those two millimeters are gonna make
Everett a huge difference. Yes. I think it it and I love
Everett that it's a luminar with
Everett no sacrifice. Uh as
Everett long as you don't as long as you don't consider the sandwich dial uh a a an absolute must. And maybe some some people do, for frankly. Does
Everett it have to be? Yeah. I I don't
Everett know. I I think that's like getting a waveless
Andrew seamaster. Yeah, I think it's not for me.
Everett I don't believe it dial. I I think this is
Everett just a terrific watch. It doesn't feel
Everett dumbed down, doesn't feel neutered in
Andrew any way. It really just feels
Everett like an excellent, fully spec panorai that is gonna be more wearable and gosh I gotta tell you I
Everett think I'm here for it this is such a cool this is
Everett such a cool watch I I'm really excited about this. If
Everett these come on the secondary market
Everett for under five grand, I gotta tell ya, there's a world in which I'm
Everett rocking a panorai i i in
Everett fairly short order. Um I
Andrew mean uh I would
Everett wear one of these. No, none of
Everett them come on rubber, which they're all come on canvas. I'm not wild about canvas. I'm not wild about textile straps. Um uh on rubber,
Everett uh uh well I I would want this on rubber. So hopefully
Andrew we see rubber uh is the lug width the same as the
Everett nah it can't be. It doesn't look
Andrew like it is. It can't be. Yeah. That would be too clever.
Everett In fact, I don't see I
Everett don't see a lug width. You know, I I think the standard 44 is a 24 millimeter lug width. I I think that this is probably 22, if I had to guess. Um, so you're not gonna be able to just plug and play. maybe I don't I I
Everett don't think so though. So um
Andrew yeah, too clever. That
Everett is uh that is a watch that that I saw announced and I was like, shit. Okay, Panorai. Um
Andrew I see what you're doing here. Okay.
Everett Okay, you've you've decided not to release a dumb watch. Thanks. The
Everett other watch, this one surprised me. This one surprised me because it's a brand that I don't
Everett hate, I don't dislike even. Uh but is never I'm
Everett I'm not like I've never been like, oh my gosh. And
Everett this watch, I'm like, oh
Everett my gosh. Heron. Heron watches. Uh there are a Canadian company out of Montreal. For sure. This is a microRAM. This is a microRAM. Uh officially, I think, to the extent that's even possible. Last year they released a GMT. I thought, meh.
Andrew I looked at these two, yeah. They
Everett have just released uh
Everett a watch that they're saying it is an homage
Everett to the great age of exploration.
Everett That's all in quotes. The great age
Everett of exploration. Isn't that now? We're
Andrew about to go back to the moon. And
Everett of course, that takes us back to you know those that post-World War II period, right?
Everett Really uh that period sort of before the cold war had
Everett set in where you know
Everett America was really focused on
Everett making babies and
Everett and going higher and deeper and further
Everett out into the rough. Okay. So
Everett you know, we're we're looking at
Everett this period where these these folks are coming
Everett back and they're making watches. And so we as we've talked about on the show a lot
Everett of times, watches were had
Everett this like sidecar
Everett seat for the trip to
Everett the moon and the top of Everest and and all these
Andrew were a part of an important part of the story because they were still such crucial pieces of of equipment.
Everett Right. We've got Rolex and Doxa sort of funding Jacques Cousteau. Okay, so this is an homage back to that period uh okay and they say hey the rolex explorer the pole router the launching conquest are all part of our inspiration but this watch doesn't look to me like any of those. you wouldn't look at this watch and say, oh, this is a pull router or or
Everett uh or or an explorer.
Everett However this is a watch that fits in
Andrew that conversation. It fits in that conversation.
Everett uh spec-wise, it's a 37 millimeter watch that's 11 millimeters tall, which is great. 43 millimeter lug-to-lug, which means this watch is gonna be
Everett super duper wearable. I'm
Everett gonna call this a barrel case, Andrew. Yeah.
Everett A tonne case. I was trying to decide.
Andrew I I was kind of w waffling between Tono or barrel. I think I like Tono better.
Everett But isn't Tano barrel? Isn't it French for
Everett barrel? Uh
Everett yeah. Really
Everett minimal really mineral
Everett uh minimal uh branding.
Everett We've just got the a fairly subtle
Everett Heron logo. Good fonts. Good fonts. This is a
Everett sandwich dial. This is they actually took the sandwich dials
Everett that Panoret was gonna use on their new watch. They got
Andrew stuck in customs and Panorite didn't have them, so they had to print them.
Everett Miyota 9039, which everybody everybody who knows who listens to this show knows I'm a huge fan
Everett of. Great beads of rice bracelet,
Everett uh female beads of rice
Everett bracelet, uh, which means it's gonna drape
Everett really well. it just looks excellent.
Everett It looks excellent. And
Everett it is Here's the best part. And
Everett it is $630.
Andrew Is it is that US money or Canadian money? You
Everett tell me, but I think US money. Um
Everett let's see. oh, so these say sold out, but I think they haven't gone up for sale yet. Is that right?
Andrew I don't know. I'm pretty
Everett sure I'm pretty
Everett sure a launch date on this in this
Andrew article. There isn't. If
Everett you go to the Heron website, these are all if you go to the Heron website, these all say sold out, but I I think that's because they're not actually for sale. Terra free for US customers, six hundred and thirty bucks. Yeah.
Everett How about that? Yeah. Oh, so pre order pre order
Everett today. I don't
Everett see how you do that, but they're they're not for sale
Everett yet. So I I I think these
Everett will be for sale soonish.
Andrew And uh just based on the spec sheet and the price of this watch, they're gonna sell out.
Everett Yeah. This will be uh this'll be a fast
Andrew sell. Yeah. I I I think that's
Everett right. It I I love this watch.
Everett I I think it's great. I think that they've done really cool things with the really cool things with the way they've marketed them with the fonts. Uh colors are great. Each one of these dials has sort of a fun, like the black has a orange, and the each one of them has its own fun twists. The blue
Everett is just a really straightforward blue. The rotor on this, have you seen the rotor on this thing? It's got like a snowflake pattern.
Everett Where? I haven't seen the rotor picture.
Andrew So if you go to the website, if you go to the Heron
Everett website and flick through,
Everett um like select one of the watches and
Everett flick through. It's got like a snowflake
Everett on the rotor. Anyway,
Everett uh you know, we don't see a whole lot of you know
Andrew yeah sub thousand dollar watches
Everett these days that is really like
Andrew nailed it. I'm doing my own thing.
Everett I'm a watch, but I'm not like those watches. You
Andrew know, you see Albishorn who's doing a similar thing, but so much of there's a storytelling much more expensive. Way more
Everett expensive. Alba Short's making a hell of a watch, right?
Andrew yeah. Charting their own path.
Everett Andrew, that is that is exactly the comp that popped into my head when I was looking at this thing. Not because it's similar, like they're not
Everett really doing a different thing, but it was like,
Everett yeah, here here's a watch that's doing its own
Everett thing. Right. And fits within the story
Andrew it's telling. And 630
Everett bucks. Six hundred and thirty bucks. Yeah,
Andrew that's a win. Really cool watch.
Everett and of course six hundred and thirty bucks, you know, there's gonna be sacrifices in terms of finishing and blah blah blah it's not gonna be finished like a two thousand dollar watch, probably. Probably
Andrew no, and it's using a ninety thirty nine. Yeah. Right? you're those are the realities of producing a watch at that price point.
Everett Yeah. It it's great. I I mean really really,
Everett terrific. I I love it. I'm I'm proud of it. I'm proud of Heron.
Andrew We need to go Heron. And Heron's uh
Everett y you know, now on my now on my
Everett on my good list. Maybe we'll have to go to Montreal
Andrew for some uh poutine and Andrew,
Everett uh assuming there are no other watches you want to talk about, I would
Everett invite you i if there's anything else,
Everett if there's any other things to talk
Everett about, uh to do do so now. What you got?
Andrew Oh, I have another thing. So I as we discussed earlier, I had to take two transatlantic flights, um, which is no short flight. Uh
Everett yeah, they're long. my f first
Andrew one was really unpleasant. Um I got uh like violent heartburn. So it was a true red eye. Um but I got like violent head heartburn. And
Everett no tough? It It did didnn't't
Andrew solve the problem. Ooh. So I was like just sitting there begging to be able to go to sleep. I was sitting next to a a passenger of size. Um Who was seated next to her partner and she leaned over on his shoulder to fall asleep. But as one does when you're sleeping, you start jockeying for more room. So she's like pushing her hips further and further into me.
Everett Sure. And using like him for leverage.
Andrew So there's no way I can resist this like conquest into my seat. Um, so I have heartburn. I'm I'm losing real estate, and this woman has sleep apnea.
Everett Oh god. So it's like scary.
Andrew There were times where I was like, I should wake her, like, for safety. Ah. There were a lot of other noises on the plane. But one of the things that that made it that when I was able to finally like, clear the heartburn, tolerate the fact that I was getting snuggled. Um, I bought a pair of JBL 770 noise canceling headphones for like just specifically for this trip. Uh, because AirPods do a great job for noise canceling in like low ambient noise environments, like the office, the house, the gym. Uh, but they also don't have a great battery life.
Everett no, especially if you use a noise canceling. It's
Everett transatlantic flight is a tough tough.
Andrew Four hours on for airpods like that. It's not gonna happen. So these say they have a uh battery life of up to 70 hours. Uh and I figured noise canceling is gonna pull it down to 35, which is like 3x what I need it to be.
Everett So I got 'em. I put them on,
Andrew turned them on, and I was like, oh, this isn't super noise canceling. There's another button. You push active noise canceling on, and the world disappears. The only sound that was able to cut through these headphones without anything playing through them, just the headphones over my ears was this woman's sleep apnea. Uh once I got to sleep, I got to sleep. But um, these headphones were fantastic. I started wearing them in lieu of my AirPods. Um the Bluetooth range on them is great. I leave my phone like plugged in and wander around the house and just do my thing and hear nothing except what's playing through my headphones. Man, it's fantastic. These are the JBL website says they're all sold out right now.
Everett I'm sure you can get them. I I got them at
Andrew the Walmart for like 120 bucks. yeah. Uh they're fantastic if you're in the market for some headphones and they're really comfortable to wear. I didn't need ear sweat. Um, like they're just big enough that they're not putting any pressure on my ears. Like they truly go over the ear. Um if you're in the market, I man, I I love these.
Everett Love it. That's a good one. Yeah, it's a good
Everett one. Uh I and and I do I rock
Everett my air my AirPods and when we flew to Ireland, I rocked AirPods.
Everett Uh and I like 'em. I like the form factor, but you're
Everett you're right. A the i i you
Everett know, an anatomy uh uh
Everett the size of the of the little pluggy thingy is, you know, i it's
Everett not a perfect system, right? Over ear or on ear even is gonna be a more better system. But w battery was a problem, right?
Andrew Mm-hmm like four hours into the flight, I'm like,
Everett okay, I gotta like take one of these off and plug it in. Like I'm watching a movie. And
Andrew in your in each ear, yeah. and they charge
Everett back up really fast. So even if you just take a break, um they charge back up pretty quick. It w which is what I wound up doing. But um yeah, it it's it it it is a thing. Yeah, it is a thing. So good good one.
Andrew Highly recommend for uh those l longer flights.
Everett Uh I've got another thing. Do me.
Everett So I have in
Everett the last like, I don't know, year, I uh maybe even let's say a year ago I decided that I wanted a like 80s Sierra Designs Mountain Parka. Now
Everett i i if you don't know Sierra Designs California company
Everett sold a very, very famous jacket i in the late seventies, early eighties called the Mountain Parka, and even beyond that.
Everett And they're somewhat ubiquitous in sort of
Everett like men's fashion circles. They're like,
Everett you know, really kind of OG Gorb Corp.
Everett And you you know when when you enter into one of
Everett these into one of these expeditions,
Everett you or at least I wind up reading a lot of articles and yada yada yada. And as I'm like adding things to my cart, like okay, that's interesting, my eBay cart, I'm like
Everett looking for a really good example
Everett of this Sierra Design.
Everett And you know, Sierra Design sold a billion of these, so they come in a
Everett lot of different colors. I find
Everett this article that references
Everett the idea that Sierra
Everett Designs had actually
Everett taken the mountain parka from another
Everett company, specifically a
Everett company called Holybar, which is a
Everett boulder company, uh, Boulder Colorado company, and and and one of the employees, one of the employees from this boulder company, Holy Bar, which if you haven't heard of it, don't feel bad, um, had moved to California, started
Everett CR Design. Nobody had heard
Andrew of it. So I'm like,
Everett I'm like, well, wait, what's this? And so I start looking into it. Holy bar is one of so Kelti, there's a few other companies in
Everett Boulder in the 60s and 70s,
Everett who are really, really, this is pre-Gore-Tex, and these companies are really
Everett leading the world in camping gear,
Everett backpacking gear, mountaineering gear, right uh and and there's weird and and there's these three companies that
Everett are sort of Hollybar, Kelty and
Everett I'm blanking on the third one, Jerry, I think. And these companies are like
Everett really cool. They're just really cool.
Everett But you know, as as time goes on, you know, things get relegated and pushed in other directions. Hollybar is uh
Everett made really, really famous.
Everett They hit mainstream in 1968 when Robert
Everett De Niro wears an orange Hollyabar mountain parka in the Deer Hunter. You ever seen the Deer
Andrew Hunter? You know exactly the jacket. Yes.
Everett And so like I'm reading this, I'm
Everett reading this article, and then I'm Googling Hollybar, and then I'm reading about Holy Bar.
Andrew Holy bar still exists in a different form. They do canvas tents, right? They do expedition wall tents now, don't they?
Everett No No.. I'll come back to that.
Everett And so I uh like I'm
Everett instantly I'm
Everett instantly like transformed
Everett here. I'm like, okay, well, no longer am I
Everett looking for a good conditioned Sierra Designs
Everett mountain parka? Rather, I'm looking for a Hollybar mountain parka. I'll just tell
Everett you, Andrew, much, much, much, much easier
Everett to find a good condition Sierra Designs
Everett Mount Parka than it is to find Holly Bar.
Everett But my mind being what it is, mostly stupid,
Everett uh decided, okay, well, this is what I have to have. Andrew. Why
Andrew didn't you just buy this Asian version for like 80 the bucks?
Everett Andrew. I found
Everett it. I found it.
Everett It's on eBay. It's my size. I order it. It comes in. It's got a a couple little,
Everett a couple little fabric damagey things
Everett on one of the sleeves. It's perfect.
Everett It is perfect. I
Everett have my for the
Everett last year this piece I've been looking for.
Everett It came in and I love
Everett it. Did it come in in time for you to take
Andrew it to It did. It came
Everett in two days before we left for Ireland. So this thing traveled with
Everett me around Ireland and Scotland, and it was rainy the whole time we were there. Yeah,
Andrew the weather turned uh like two days before I left.
Everett I will say it is a it's not a sixty forty few fabric. I think it's a sixty-five thirty-five fabric that was in-house for Hollyobar. Um and it's a it is you know, literally a fifty year old jacket at this point. So it um it i i i it needs to be sprayed. Let's just let's put it that way. For
Andrew odor or waterproofing? For waterproofing.
Everett it it definitely uh doesn't keep you totally dry, but it's a good temperature, it's lightweight.
Everett uh and and uh and I'll I'll pull it out so
Everett you can look at it, Andrew. But um it it
Everett was the that's my other thing really for the week. Uh a little bit more legend on Hollybar. So
Andrew what was the company that you sent that is still that used to do expedition gear but is now just doing tents?
Everett I'm blanking. We'll come oh oh we'll
Andrew we'll find 'cause I recall
Everett Oregon Company. Yeah. So Oh but
Andrew they did they did it was a toolbox that you were looking for from them, yeah.
Everett Or a role or something like that. Yeah, that that's right. I'll I'll I'll I'll I c I know where to find that.
Everett So uh we'll update we'll come back with that next week. Hollybar uh winds
Everett up so at the time Hollybar is sort of slowing down, they get bought bought by Johnson
Everett Wax, and for whatever reason, Johnson Wax mega company just kind of
Everett struggles to keep them going.
Everett Um, and so they're slowing down, and at the time they're slowing
Everett down, Johnson Wax is got them on the market. Now, Holy Bar, because of their relationship with the other outdoor companies and retailers in the in Colorado and in California, Hollybar is got a great distribution network. There's
Everett this little company. There's this little company called the North
Everett Face. And the North Face is
Everett a super modern company. They're forward-looking. They've adopted at this point Gore-Tex integration into all their stuff. They're struggling with distribution. And so North Face goes to Johnson Wax and says, we want to
Everett buy Hollybar. We think you want
Everett to sell them. And Johnson Wax is like,
Everett heck yeah, please.
Everett Northface buys Hollybar,
Everett decides it's not worth trying to save the company. They really just wanted the distribution
Everett network. And effectively,
Everett effectively, Northface by way of
Everett Holly Bar's distribution network becomes the biggest outdoor
Everett equipment company in the world almost overnight. So that is the legend of Holly
Everett Bar. If you it I think
Everett it's kind of fun, right? 'Cause nobody really no, you mentioned earlier you can still buy
Everett Holly Bar. There have been some revival
Everett attempts at Holly Bar. That IP has
Everett been sold a few times. And in fact, I think that there's a company in Europe right now called Holly Bar?
Andrew Uh it's in uh Japan, I think. It
Everett is not the SEC. Is it the price
Andrew was like four hundred thousand of a symbol of a symbol that I don't I'm not familiar with, but based on exchange rates, I think it was probably yen.
Everett don't expect don't expect that there's any similarity between the products being sold by that company and vintage olivar. Uh it is a company that's well and
Everett truly dead. However, I got my
Everett vintage piece and it's w it makes
Everett me so so so happy. It's the same
Everett color that Robert it's the rust color
Everett that Robert De Niro wears in Deer Hunter. It's perfect.
Andrew It's a good jacket. It's perfect. Uh
Everett and I didn't even pay that much for it. I paid like I think 120 bucks for it.
Andrew That might have been what you paid for it new. It
Everett yeah, back in nineteen seventy two or
Everett whatever. So um Yeah,
Andrew I mean high high end mountaineering gear in the 70s, like I might have been an 80 dollar jacket.
Everett Yeah, maybe. Yeah. You're not wrong about that. Andrew, uh here we are. Is there anything you want to add?
Andrew Uh I missed you. I missed you too. I'm glad to be back. Hey
Everett folks, thanks for joining us for this episode of 40 and 20, the WatchClicker Podcast. Uh, you can go to our website, watchclicker.com, or you can follow us on social media, on Instagram, at 40 and 20 underscore watchclicker or
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Andrew Bye-bye. Yeah,
Everett I I probably should have talked to you about it, but I was.