[FIXED] We Hate Seiko, Now (399)¶
Published on Thu, 25 Jun 2026 06:33:36 -0700
Synopsis¶
In this episode of the 40 and 20 WatchClicker podcast, hosts Andrew and Everett celebrate Everett's 20th wedding anniversary. Everett reveals he surprised his wife Kim with tickets to Ireland and Scotland for late August, after their original Vietnam trip plans fell through. The couple will spend time in Dublin, Galway, and Edinburgh, with a relatively flexible itinerary focused on food and sightseeing.
The watch discussion covers several notable releases: the Amida Digitrend OC2 with full-lume display (\(5,150), Mido's refreshed OceanStar 200 (\)1,400), Grand Seiko's Core Evolution 9 updates with new colors and improved bracelets (\(10,000-\)11,400), new Seiko Presage Classic series watches (\(1,000-\)1,200), Maine's Manhattan 37 Ultra Thin boutique exclusive with Côte de Genève dial, and most notably, the Titan Edge Ultra Slim Mechanical from Indian manufacturer Titan—a dual rotating disc watch at just 5.7mm thick for around $3,400. The hosts discuss India's emerging position in global watchmaking, drawing parallels to Japan and Taiwan's manufacturing evolution. Andrew's other thing is a cookbook about East Carolina whole hog barbecue by Sam Jones, while Everett recommends the film "Dust Bunny" starring Sigourney Weaver and Mads Mikkelsen.
Links¶
Show Notes¶
- Amida Digitrend OSII Black
- Mido Ocean Star 200
- Grand Seiko Evolution 9
- Seiko Presage Classic 38mm
- Maen Manhattan 37 Ultra-Thin
- Titan Edge UltraSlim Mechanical
- Whole Hog BBQ
- Dust Bunny
Transcript¶
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| Andrew | Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to 40 and 20, the WatchClicker podcast with your hosts Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, how are you? I'm well. You're muted. |
| Everett | I'm muted. Uh no, I'm well. I I can't think of anything super interesting to report. Um yeah. I life as usual. Life life continues to march on. Oh, I no, I do have something to report. |
| Andrew | Okay, I figured you you would. Because we spoilered |
| Everett | last week. Oh yeah. Yeah, right? We did. We did, yeah. Or I spoiler it, I should say. I read his |
| Andrew | shit his pants seven consecutive days on accident. |
| Everett | Yeah. Yeah, that's right. No, uh, so yesterday, no, today, today, actually, today, the day we record, is my wife and I's uh |
| Andrew | Today, we're recording today. I'm sorry, I messed that up. |
| Everett | No, oh no, it's it's fine. We we celebrated last night. |
| Andrew | Okay. That's yeah. Okay, that that tracks. |
| Everett | Yes, so it's it's our twenty two whole minutes. Twentieth wedding anniversary. The twentieth anniversary of our wedding. U which happened 20 years ago exactly |
| Andrew | anniversary yeah thanks it's |
| Everett | uh you know it it's it's sort of weird to think like holy shit that's like that's a really fucking It's a really long time. Anyway, uh for that, you know, we were supposed to go to Vietnam this summer. We were supposed to take a trip to Vietnam. My wife and I. My kids were supposed to go to China. And while they were in China, we were gonna go to Vietnam and then meet them in Beijing and travel to Thailand from there. So we were gonna go to to Vietnam for seven days, meet them in Beijing, and then go to Thailand for I think like another two days, because that's where my sister-in-law lives. And the kids' China trip got canceled. And so we scrapped. |
| Andrew | Did she move to Thailand? Uh |
| Everett | it's been probably three years ago. Yeah, they've been over there for a while. So they |
| Andrew | knew that, but I had like I was like, oh yeah, that tracks, and then just like wiped it from my memory of |
| Everett | yeah they were in China for gosh six or seven years and then there now they're in Thailand. Um and so we were gonna you know you know any anyway I wanted to go to Vietnam for a long time but, Kim has always wanted to go to Ireland and Scotland. And I'm like, why, why do you want to go to Ireland and Scotland? |
| Andrew | The beautiful weather. I can I can |
| Everett | like I know why I want to go to Vietnam. Like there are like things. This is what I want to see. This is what I want to do. I want to eat this food. Um, and Kim is like much more general about her desire, right? And it's like, well, why do you want so I've we I've teased her over the years, and then this last year, she was a little bit more like, I want to take a trip. And I was like, okay, well, the kids are going to China, so really we should try to get to Asia and meet them there. She's like, no, that makes sense. So anyway, when the kids' China trip got scrapped. Vietnam got scrapped too because it was just like, well, this doesn't make sense anymore. |
| Andrew | Yeah, you don't have the like the parallel usefulness |
| Everett | correct thing. Correct. And it wasn't necessarily |
| Everett | that the Vietnam trip got scrapped entirely, |
| Everett | but it was like, okay, this plan that we did have is now scrapped in lieu of a different priater trip. Um, but I was this last you know mont,h or so trying to figure out I need a really good gift. And so I bought her tickets to Ireland and Scotland. So |
| Everett | end of August, we are going to and gift |
| Andrew | number two is she doesn't have to take him. |
| Everett | Yeah, she just gets to go by herself. |
| Everett | Uh we so end of August, we'll |
| Everett | be going flying in flying into Dublin and |
| Everett | spending, I think, four days |
| Everett | in Dublin and then well, three days in Dublin, one day in Galway, sort |
| Everett | of comara-ish, and then flying into Edinburgh and |
| Everett | spending another three ish |
| Everett | days in the Edinburgh area before we come back. |
| Everett | And within Edinburgh, we're probably gonna take some road |
| Everett | trips and stuff too. So driving on the wrong |
| Everett | side. You could probably spend |
| Andrew | the entire three days without ever leaving like the heart of the city of Edinburgh. |
| Everett | Yeah, you know, I don't know. Excuse me, I give a wrong pipe there. I don't know what I don't know. I don't know anything. Never been to Europe, Scotland, Ireland, never done any of it. |
| Andrew | Then you you're gonna have to spend like how how I guess how rigid so I've I've never done a uh like a tourism trip like this. Like I've gone I've gone to Mexico and Hawaii, but those are like kinda different experiences 'cause it's like we're we're really just going well, I was really just going 'cause Sam wanted to go and Sam was going to just lay on the beach or by the pool and I was seeking shade. |
| Everett | Yeah. So how rigid |
| Andrew | are you like how itinerant? Is that the right word? Itinerant |
| Everett | I don't know that's interesting that you say that. Itinerary. |
| Andrew | Like how How itinerant? Yeah, maybe. I |
| Everett | don't know. That feels like a right that feels like a like you maybe just like a bumbled into something. |
| Andrew | Proper conjugation of that god lee |
| Everett | I you what's happening are |
| Andrew | you dead I did |
| Everett | the wrong pipe thing it's just like I'm having a little tur trouble recovering |
| Everett | I better be fine I just need some time |
| Andrew | okay you gotta I I I can't I can wax poetic for a few minutes. Um you |
| Everett | get those muscles that like you |
| Everett | know once you trigger and it's just like it's hard to like resume. |
| Andrew | Have you ever had a cramp like under your chin when you yawn? |
| Everett | No, I I don't think I have. I have. And |
| Andrew | it's m like you feel it start to cramp and you're like, oh my god, no, I think I'm gonna die. And then it cramps |
| Everett | and it's terrible. Highly recommend |
| Andrew | against. Uh I Googled it one time and it said it you that happens when you overuse the yawning muscle. |
| Everett | Oh interesting. Because apparently there's like some weird |
| Andrew | muscle activation here when you yawn. So apparently I'm just really tired. |
| Everett | Yeah you gotta go to bed. Uh it's a just go to bed immediately. |
| Andrew | Yeah, for days. Uh but I'm I'm wondering what like how rigid of a schedule are you going to build? Or cause the only go to an environment like that without like really intentional high point hits. |
| Everett | Yeah. I mean I it no, I I I I think that's maybe wrong. You know, the only rigidity we have built in well there's three |
| Everett | there's three flights. That's right. There are |
| Everett | three or four points where like we've got to be in a certain place at a certain time, right? So |
| Everett | you know, obviously getting |
| Everett | into Dublin. We're at the Dublin airport when we're at the Dublin airport. And that's that's pretty set in stone 'cause |
| Everett | we don't get there till we get there. And then day four, |
| Everett | we've gotta make our way to Shannon. |
| Andrew | To then fly to Edinburgh to get you when you get there. |
| Everett | And then and then day, you know, the morning of day eight, we've got to be again at the Edinburgh airport. So but |
| Everett | beyond that, you know, we do |
| Everett | have an agenda that we kind of that I built out that I I gave it to her all sort of in a package. But it's really pretty loose, right? You know, we've got you know loose plans to make our way to Conmaru Galway on that day four, but you |
| Everett | know, there's no like w |
| Everett | we're we're not gonna have like any shows that we're going to when we get there, at least I don't think so. So it's like yeah, |
| Everett | let's do this thing at this time, |
| Everett | and if we decide at that time to do something different, so be it. |
| Andrew | It would be food driven for me. |
| Everett | Yeah, well, no, I think probably, you know, |
| Everett | for us too, yeah, you know, let's I want to try this restaurant or I wanna go to this pub. But yeah, you |
| Everett | know, we're we're we're for this castle. |
| Everett | Yeah, sure. Yeah, that's right. Like I know |
| Everett | at some point we want to go to Edinburgh Castle or |
| Everett | you know, we want to see this garden. But um all of that |
| Everett | stuff is kind of go go when you want to, right? There's not like uh |
| Everett | you know, oh, you've got to be there Tuesday |
| Everett | morning at 630. You know, we may have to, you know, figure out like, oh, you gotta have a ticket at at a |
| Everett | certain time to do this tour or whatever, maybe. |
| Everett | But I'm pretty sure all of that stuff will we'll by |
| Everett | and large kind of do it on the I |
| Andrew | read this article uh not too long ago. It's been in the last year, of these two women from the United States who uh their sisters who had this lifelong dream of going to Scotland and seeing castles. And that was their whole itinerary. It was just like castle, the castle, the castle, the castle. And they were at this castle and they were like, oh just so you know we close in an hour. And they're like, okay, yeah, no, that's fine. But when when that castle says we close in an hour, it means in an hour the employees leave and they lock the gate. |
| Everett | And so these women are like exploring this |
| Andrew | castle and they get like they're in like some parapet or whatever and they're like uh we should probably go it's like a couple minutes after uh |
| Everett | and they're just locked in the castle. And they are locked |
| Andrew | in this castle. And they're there for a few hours and some like neighbor kid, like kid from the neighboring farm comes by and is like standing in the field. They're like, help us, help us and and he looks at him like that's weird and did the right thing and went home and and told an adult who then alerted the authorities and then rescued these trapped women in this |
| Everett | I mean they probably would have been okay. I mean it's |
| Andrew | not like it has electricity. Yeah, sure, |
| Everett | but I mean it's hireling, right? It's always |
| Everett | between 40 and 40 and |
| Andrew | 50. That's exactly right. Yeah. |
| Everett | It would have been fine. Um I don't actually know |
| Everett | if it's an iron. No, I'll look forward to it. I |
| Everett | look forward to the movie starring We Reese Witherspoon. |
| Everett | I don't know why that was a good why that was a good joke, |
| Everett | but it felt funny when I said it. I was like, I know this is gonna |
| Andrew | land. It's the little |
| Everett | things in life. It's the |
| Everett | little things in life. No, but it uh yeah, so that is that's how |
| Andrew | I'm doing. I gave her uh I gave her that gift. I |
| Everett | I made like a nineteen sixties |
| Everett | uh travel agency retire uh itinerary |
| Everett | that I gave her, uh, which |
| Everett | I kind of like made it like from from |
| Everett | scratch. I sort of whole cloth. I got I found a |
| Everett | an old 1960s travel agency itinerary on eBay and sort |
| Everett | of recreated that. I used Affinity |
| Everett | Designer and then I used a typewriter. |
| Everett | My first experience using a typewriter because where'd |
| Andrew | you did did you buy a typewriter for this? Or no you just have one because you have one. |
| Everett | My friend, my friend Becky, shout out Becky, uh has |
| Everett | a she's not gonna hear it. She might. She might. She |
| Everett | actually listens to this stuff every once in a while. She has an old uh Lettera Lettera 32, I don't know how you pronounce it, uh, that she |
| Everett | got and sort of refurbished and sort of |
| Everett | it's cute and cool. You know, a couple things. Using a |
| Everett | typewriter, Andrew, there's |
| Everett | no, well, at least this |
| Everett | typewriter. Electronic or mechanical? |
| Everett | Mechanical. And I think it's common for compact |
| Everett | typewriters in particular. It was common for compact typewriters not to have |
| Everett | ones and not to have |
| Everett | zeros. I did not know that. So I'm looking at the numline. |
| Andrew | What how much are you saving? I'm looking at the |
| Everett | num line and I'm like, there's no one. There's no one. You know what? You just use a lowercase L. And |
| Everett | the way they form that letter, that that sort of quote unquote courier print or |
| Everett | or whatever that we might use today |
| Everett | is w was made specifically to |
| Everett | sort of create those ambiguities. |
| Andrew | So when you type it out, it just looks right. |
| Everett | You just know what it is. Your brain knows what it is. And for the zero, it's just an uppercase O. Like |
| Andrew | it now, if you're using uh, you know, Times |
| Everett | New Roman or something, there's a different shape between the zero and the uppercase O, right? The zero is going to be narrower. |
| Andrew | This is why uh O's don't exist on license plates. |
| Everett | Oh, is that right? Yeah, it's the same thing. |
| Everett | I didn't know that. O's aren't license plates |
| Andrew | or VIN numbers. I didn't. It's always a zero. |
| Everett | Okay. The more you know. Uh so anyway, yeah. I mean there's a |
| Everett | little bit of a learning curve. And also, I was doing this on cardstock. You know, typewriters are meant to to type on paper, and the way they've |
| Everett | got rollers that sort of create tension in the paper and a curve so that when you smack |
| Everett | strike the key. it W'shen key smacks, |
| Everett | it's only touching the section. But that |
| Everett | requires that convex roll to be in the right place. Well with cardstock, it it resists that. So it |
| Everett | it was a learning experience, Andrew. That's |
| Everett | all I will say. It was a learning experience. Uh fun. But anyway, I typed up. I made this |
| Everett | like 1960s style |
| Everett | itinerary card and I had them printed up and |
| Everett | I made four of them. I thought, well, I can get this done in four |
| Everett | tries. And I was on the I was on the very last one. And I was like, this is just gonna have |
| Everett | to be good enough. Because I'm not gonna go print more. Well I could have, |
| Everett | but um yeah it was fun. And |
| Everett | so she, you know, I put it in an envelope and she opens it up. She's |
| Everett | like, what the fuck is this? Uh, you know, and |
| Everett | shortly she figured out I put like sort of |
| Everett | in the in the letter |
| Everett | head, I guess is what it is, or like the |
| Everett | brand information, I sort of put a bunch of |
| Everett | like Easter eggs about our relationship. |
| Everett | And anyway, it was a lot of fun to do. It was a fun project to do. And and the best part of doing this fun project is at the end of it, I also get to go |
| Everett | to Ireland and Scotland. So anyway, |
| Everett | that's my that was my not |
| Everett | so thinly veiled uh secret |
| Everett | from last week. Well done. |
| Everett | It's gonna be fun. I'm looking forward to it. Make sure you watch |
| Andrew | the somebody feed Phil Edinburgh episode. |
| Everett | Okay. Yeah, that's a good idea. I I |
| Everett | like somebody feedback. Because he hit some cool |
| Andrew | spots that are like a little bit off the beaten path. Like |
| Everett | you might not find them in your Yeah. |
| Andrew | And and he he tends to do that in a really special way because he uses locals to be like, where should we go? Like I'm I'm not hitting the Zagot guide. I'm I'm I'm not going to Noma just because I'm in the Netherlands. Or not where was it? Amsterdam. Was that where Noma was? |
| Everett | I don't remember. Copenenhag. It was in Copenhagen. |
| Andrew | But that's like I'm I'm not going there just because it's there and and because I'm here. I I want to know like where should I go. |
| Everett | Yeah, that's cool. Um his stuff |
| Everett | is always really good like that. He he always winds up hitting a little bit of everything. So |
| Andrew | almost as good uh and perhaps maybe even better than in a lot of ways diners drive-ins and dives. Cause guy hits some really cool spots that you would otherwise never know about. Uh but he just be kind of bugs me. |
| Everett | Yeah well yeah I can't really |
| Andrew | tell why y yeah no that |
| Everett | that's right Andrew uh you know I will say I have |
| Everett | heard absolutely nothing negative about |
| Everett | Edinburgh we're gonna be in Dublin for more time that we're |
| Everett | gonna be in Ireland for more time than Scotland because I |
| Everett | think Well, I don't know why. That's just how it works out. That's just how it |
| Everett | worked out. But um everybody I've told about this trip is like, oh my gosh, you're gonna love Edinburgh, which I |
| Everett | thought, gosh, that's so interesting. Why |
| Andrew | Edinburgh sounded like Gl Glasgow? I don't know, |
| Everett | Andrew. I accept. Yeah. Good enough. |
| Everett | Yeah. It was just sort of like, okay, let's |
| Everett | let's fucking throw some darts at the corner of the |
| Andrew | Glasgow? Glasgow? How do they say it? You know? |
| Everett | I Andrew. We don't |
| Andrew | say things right. We that's right. We're not we're we're f perhaps famous only for our mispronunciations. |
| Everett | Luke, feel free to chime in. Uh yeah. |
| Everett | I I I don't know. Um it was just |
| Everett | sort of like you gotta pick some destinations and |
| Everett | fair enough. And pick some destinations. So uh it there is some travel efficiency that was built into so |
| Andrew | yeah, i when you're only doing eight days you kinda have to you you have to |
| Everett | Yeah, I mean we could easily have gone for, you know, a month and |
| Everett | you know, really been exhaustive |
| Everett | about what we're doing, but instead it |
| Everett | was like, no, this is a probably you know, with, |
| Everett | teenagers at home and you know, short of taking them, uh, which you know felt like not for this trip, uh, but short of taking them, it was like, okay, eight days is kind of like |
| Everett | the outside the outer limit. That's |
| Andrew | north limit of asking somebody to mind your kids. |
| Everett | That's right. Well and we are asking, you know, my mom's gonna come to the house |
| Everett | and take care of the kids for the they'll st they'll |
| Everett | be in their last week of summer and |
| Everett | and so there'll be low sort |
| Everett | of low requirements for any like shuttling or whatever. |
| Andrew | Y'all bitches go to sleep. You need to rest up for the school year. |
| Everett | So yeah, anyway, that's my surprise. Andrew, Andrew, here we are. Seventeen What Seventeen Minutes? |
| Everett | You talked so much about yourself. |
| Andrew | I'm really sorry. Andrew, how are you? Your vanity is just unparalleled. I'm fine. Thank you. |
| Everett | Let's talk about watches. What do you got? |
| Andrew | All right. Which is good. |
| Everett | That's crazy. Is that the longest lead-in we've ever had? Jesus. I'm |
| Everett | sorry. No, it probably isn't. It's up there. though |
| Andrew | We've gone off the rails. |
| Everett | I feel like we're usually it's like seven or eight minutes. I'm sorry you guys. If you hated that, I'm really sorry. |
| Andrew | Uh no, it's fun. Celebrate it with us. That's uh that's a cool thing. Uh and and this is the show about watches food drinks life and other things we like. |
| Everett | And that's my life. And that's that's what Everett's doing right now. |
| Andrew | He's gonna go life in in uh Ireland and the United Kingdom. |
| Everett | Yeah. Yeah. Uh we have to get some sort |
| Everett | of electronic travel authorization. Do you know anything |
| Everett | about that? To go to the UK, you now need to get |
| Andrew | I don't go places. Fair enough. Yeah, I don't go places. I'm gonna try to go to Luxembourg this year. My friend uh just moved there. His wife is like some kind of genius and got offered not just a job but also like sponsorship to go work there. |
| Everett | Cool. Uh and the |
| Andrew | amount of money that that she was offered was like the kind of offer you can't refuse. |
| Everett | So uh they moved to Luxembourg and he's |
| Andrew | like, dude, come hang out. Yeah. I'm like, Yes. |
| Everett | Yeah. Yeah, I'll come hang out. He's like, I'll fly |
| Andrew | you. I was like, fuck yeah, you would like let me renew my passport. I'm two months out from being able to do it online. |
| Everett | I'm so angry. I'm two months |
| Andrew | out. So I have to go through the whole like two months too |
| Everett | late. Yeah, two months too late. Oh, that sucks. Otherwise, |
| Andrew | I'd be like I have new a passport all the way. Uh the new Amida Digitrend OC Black OS2, perhaps, because it is the OS2. Um |
| Everett | so did you call it OC? Yeah, I like |
| Andrew | OC. Okay. Does it not look like OC? |
| Everett | I'm pretty sure it's OS2. I |
| Andrew | like OC. Fair enough. OC E. Maybe there's an apostrophe missing. Okay, so we've we've talked about this Amita Digi Trend when it came out two years ago in two in 2024. Uh and this is a |
| Everett | huge fans. Yes, because it's |
| Andrew | it it perfectly encapsulates this weird 1970s feel of like what's 2025 gonna look like? It's it's like straight out of the Jetsons. |
| Everett | Uh and we have this sapphire |
| Andrew | top on it that allows you to see these discs that are backwards because they have to hit a mirror so that you can review this watch horizontally on your wrist. And it's ridiculous in every bit of 1970s futurism. And I love this watch. So here's here's the here's the big takeaways. A new full loom display that makes it look like 1970 is projecting into like 2050. This is it took this Amida uh Digi Trend and like really, really went for it. Um, the first Digi Trend I really liked the sizes uh it's it's big because it's a square watch and at 40 millimeters for a square horizontal view watch it's 39.6 by 39. It's just it's it's big and it's gonna wear big and it's kind of meant to. It has the Soprod Newton P092 automatic movement uh fifty one hundred fifty Swiss francs. I'm gonna start |
| Everett | P024. P024? |
| Andrew | I'm reading P092. |
| Everett | Oh, so I think there is an automatic and let's see. |
| Everett | I think they might be using two |
| Everett | different movements. Are |
| Andrew | there two movements? Yeah, shit. I don't know. |
| Everett | I've got P024, but whatever. Yeah. The so prod Newton P024 with an in-house design jump hour module from Amita. |
| Andrew | I'm reading a 92 automatic. So maybe there's two. No, in-house 92. There's a perhaps |
| Everett | a typo somewhere. Yeah. Somebody's wrong about |
| Andrew | something. Cause I also see P024. So there's a typo. And |
| Everett | an internally developed jump hour module that they sit on the SOPROD. |
| Andrew | Right. Um all it is is the digitrend, but now a full loomed die or a disc set underneath the sapphire top. |
| Everett | Mm-hmm. And with yeah, yeah. |
| Andrew | And it's money. I love it. This is this is how to iterate on something futurism, futuristic, silly novelty, but or novel but not exactly novelty watch. Yeah. That really calls back to the the sixties and seventies kind of pre-quartz crisis, like sort of on the cusp of it. Uh I love this one. If if it wasn't like 5,500 bucks, I I think I'd I'd get one. I love this like 3500 bucks worth, I think. I think that's what that would be my threshold for my amount of less.ons Yeah, |
| Everett | I me overan, 5,000, it's a big it's a big ass. |
| Everett | Yeah, over we're gonna talk about some other watches. |
| Everett | I I actually I was looking at this, I was looking at this and I was |
| Everett | like, you know, that's it's cool, man. Uh listen |
| Andrew | there there's a bracelet option for listen to this edgelord |
| Everett | on hodinky tgh says an expensive gimmick imo others comma of course comma would love it all right |
| Everett | tgh you have an |
| Andrew | Oxford comma problem. |
| Everett | Uh yeah. I mean no, this thing's rad. And you know, you you mentioned that it's a big watch. I'm not sure I agree with that. Uh I mean forty |
| Andrew | millimeter squares big. I think |
| Everett | on uh y you know, compared |
| Everett | to y you know, uh a standard format |
| Everett | watch, obviously th those dimensions |
| Everett | would be big. Because it's also fifteen six thick |
| Andrew | and it has to be to be able to be legible. But |
| Everett | this thing is not really like this isn't really like uh |
| Everett | yeah, you know, uh a regular format watch. So you you don't no don't have to I don't think we have to draw the direct comparison. Yeah, every all the wrist shots I see, this feels really appropriately watched, uh appropriately watched, |
| Everett | sized. Um and maybe you |
| Everett | know, having never had one of these on my w on |
| Everett | my wrist, I I shouldn't be saying that. But I it doesn't feel to me like in the photos at least it's absurdly large. It's got so much loom. It |
| Everett | seems right. It seems right to me. Mito? Maito? |
| Andrew | We've never been able to determine. |
| Everett | Mito. I I'm |
| Everett | gonna settle for at least the next |
| Everett | 10 minutes on Mito. I'm gonna go with Mido just |
| Andrew | to make sure that we're being equitable. |
| Everett | Just to split the difference. Mido has updated its OceanStar 200. |
| Andrew | No nuts. And this |
| Everett | is my favorite type of update. This is my favorite type of update. It is um a similarly spec watch |
| Everett | as prior versions with some with some improvements |
| Everett | that I'll discuss in a moment. Uh but they have taken a sort of I'm gonna say stodgy watch and made it into something aesthetically really appealing, at least for me. Uh so let's just be clear. It's a subjective, that's a subjective point of view. But subjectively, I think that this is a tremendous improvement. So Ocean Star 200, um an old watch, not a new watch. But a |
| Andrew | legacy watch, perhaps. Yeah, that's |
| Everett | right. A legacy watch. But often I think not, I mean, not something if someone says, I need a dive watch. I need a dive watch. |
| Andrew | This is never this isn't in my top ten. |
| Everett | It never gets brought. No one ever says, oh you really gotta look at Mito or or you know no one in |
| Everett | Midas. No one ever says that because people |
| Andrew | often say you should maybe consider Mido. |
| Everett | Yeah, you know, I think especially at the range this is coming in, there's a lot of players, right? |
| Everett | You got a billion Seiko watches. |
| Everett | Uh SPB-143 obviously |
| Everett | is the direction I went, a little bit less expensive watch by and large, but you've got tons of watches from Christopher Ward. You know, you're now starting to look at sort of some |
| Everett | long jean stuff maybe as a possibility. |
| Andrew | You're also maybe doing a little bit of an upsell and you're talking Doxa, you're talking Monta, you're talking uh it lots. |
| Everett | This watch just falls in a really interesting |
| Everett | place because you know it's at that |
| Everett | you know, w what's the actual price. So |
| Everett | we're falling in like kind of a tough |
| Everett | area and there's a lot of really cool watches. It's |
| Andrew | a little bit of a void that is also super saturated. |
| Everett | If yeah, that's a fair way to that's |
| Everett | a r an interesting way to say that, but I can't disagree. Um, |
| Everett | like 12 to 1800 bucks, there's |
| Andrew | so much, and also kind of nothing. |
| Everett | This watch for me has gone from something I probably would never recommend to all of |
| Everett | a sudden, something I'm like, hey, you know |
| Everett | what? This is really interesting if |
| Andrew | you really want to bushwhack uh and go way off the beaten path consider this |
| Everett | it this is a watch that kind of gave me like inexpensive orient diver vibes before. And all of a sudden now I'm like, oh, oh, that is a really good looking |
| Andrew | You're not a you're not a fashion watch. You're not a economy watch. You're you're kind of just like there |
| Everett | a this is a a good watch this is a good watch um |
| Everett | it not a not a small not a small change either this |
| Everett | isn't sort of that like incremental |
| Everett | change this is a really full redesign. It's a full facelift. Um |
| Everett | we've got you know uh |
| Everett | like I said, specs are basically |
| Everett | the same, but slightly smaller case, |
| Everett | 41 millimeters across, slightly thinner |
| Everett | at 11.65. I think the previous version was just over 12. Uh, very nice |
| Everett | 47 millimeter lug to lug, |
| Everett | 200 meters of water resistance. Obviously, if you've been paying any attention, really, really |
| Everett | nice uh flanks on the case uh well |
| Everett | redesigned um bezel |
| Everett | if you ask me an aluminum insert which is a choice and i like it. I don't mind it it. I |
| Andrew | think works with the color, the dial colors they've chosen. |
| Everett | Some aggressive crown guards. Uh I would say we get like a little bit of like this is kind of for me a little bit of Seiko vibe in terms of the way the case sits now, like the especially the top down, and maybe a little bit of like tutor vibe from the side, uh, which is all good. I all of these things I'm saying are good in my mind. And then we've got like a really aggressive the old Mido Ocean Star had this really sort of like open abyss of a dial, which I |
| Everett | always hate. That I think that always makes watches |
| Everett | look cheaper. They've really created a more compact dial here with this sort of aggressively sloped rehot that brings |
| Andrew | That's that's color different from the rest of the dial. Like it creates some depth. |
| Everett | It does. It does. I think it's really just texture, but it does create a color difference, a color |
| Everett | delta. It could be texture only. And |
| Everett | then the markers are sort of more like compacted and they look bigger and just more tooly and more aggressive. |
| Andrew | A little chunky. Nice texture, |
| Everett | although I generally don't like sand texture. The texture where on the dial really works. And the handset. |
| Andrew | It's really fine grit. This is this is like 500 grit, |
| Everett | yeah, sandpaper. It's it's |
| Andrew | soft. Yeah, this |
| Everett | is all of a sudden just a much more appealing |
| Everett | watch, if you ask me. Um, |
| Everett | we've got a handful of different colors there is a |
| Everett | blue on blue black on black white |
| Everett | on black that one got me and then white on steel |
| Everett | and i I I agree |
| Everett | with you that the white on black is attractive. The white on steel is the one that I was sort of surprised to really like. |
| Andrew | Oh, interesting. Or the white on silver. |
| Everett | Um I didn't dig that one. |
| Everett | I uh it's got sort of yellow accents and I just I think they did a really good job with those colors. Those |
| Everett | colors really go really well together, |
| Everett | and I thought it was fantastic. Caliber 80 in this. Uh |
| Andrew | I would have liked that one better if it was white on white. |
| Everett | Because I think that yellow bezel was white. Yeah, I |
| Andrew | think that yellow contrast on a on a like a that Arctic white bezel would have been a little bit more pronounced it. You know, Andrew, I don't know if |
| Everett | white anodizing on aluminum |
| Everett | is all that effective. I don't know either. |
| Andrew | I mean there's a reason they chose this color. I think because the, you know, in the that was their two mismatches, right? You've got a a yeah really cool white and black. |
| Everett | Uh and they're like, oh, we can't do white and |
| Andrew | white. We shouldn't do another white and black. White and blue's kind of weird. Let's try white and silver. |
| Everett | Scientifically, true white |
| Everett | anodized aluminum does not exist. |
| Everett | Anodizing creates a transparent oxide |
| Everett | layer, and white pigment molecules are too large to fit into the microscopic pores of the metal So there you go. That's the difficulty. |
| Andrew | Now the metallurgist episode has been ruined. So |
| Everett | uh yeah, I just I think this thing's really great. The caseback to me feels |
| Everett | a little sort of uh micro |
| Everett | brandy, but whatever. It feels it feels exactly |
| Andrew | what I'd expect from Mido. That's |
| Everett | right. The case back and the bracelet. They do have a fantastic |
| Everett | sort of dive clasp on this thing. It looks a little big, but you know, thus is such is life and |
| Everett | 1400 1400 US dollars. |
| Andrew | There's something I'm surprised you haven't commented on. |
| Everett | Tell me. The mail end link. Oh, you know what, Andrew? This case is built. It it the case actually is |
| Andrew | built to support it. Curves down |
| Everett | really relatively sharply |
| Everett | at the end. And that male end link doesn't |
| Andrew | it contours at the same rate the case does. |
| Everett | It just doesn't do a bad thing. It doesn't do the bad mail end link thing. Um, it's questionable, but for me, it gets a pass. |
| Andrew | All right. Yeah. I |
| Everett | mean, just aesthetically, it doesn't draw my |
| Everett | eye in the same way that a lot of a lot of these |
| Everett | mail Offensive Hamilton. |
| Andrew | Oh, I I can offend you with a mail end link. |
| Everett | I bet you could. What's next? |
| Andrew | The Grand Seiko Core Evolution 9. With some uh new bracelet adjustments, some micro adjust clasps, some new colorways, and I think a deeply offensive |
| Everett | male endlink. Oh yeah. No, Grand |
| Everett | Seiko is a is it. No. Just |
| Andrew | one of the biggest offenders. So the Evolution 9, I I think is is one of my favorites. |
| Everett | Oh really? Yeah. I I just |
| Andrew | it doesn't have a power reserve indicator. Wow. |
| Everett | Which evolution which Evo nine are you talking about? I |
| Andrew | mean it's not offensively thick for Grand Seiko, right? It's sub twelve. Uh |
| Everett | I feel like the so so before you move further, I'll just say when you say it's one of your favorites, uh I I I pause just a second because for me the |
| Everett | biggest criticism I've had. |
| Everett | Well, not the biggest. Sorry, I'll back up. One of my main criticisms with the Evolution 9 line |
| Everett | is that it's so discordant. It's like you just this is just a |
| Everett | thing you attach to watches without any real, in my |
| Everett | mind, rhyme or reasons. Some of them have UFA |
| Everett | movements, some of them don't, some of them have new clasps, some of them don't. It's like this just doesn't mean anything. |
| Andrew | It's a weird experimental space for Grand Saco. But we've got some new colors. So three birch colors. |
| Everett | More than new colors. It's like with a brand |
| Andrew | new bracelet. 11 new skews. And it maybe. Yeah. I it's a bucket load of stuff with a micro-adjust clasp, an updated bracelet. Uh I I like all these colors. I couldn't care less about the storytelling of Grand Seiko's color decisions. Uh, but I like all these colors. So we have um one, two, three, four, five spring drive, and one, two, three, four, mechanical, uh, thirty-seven and 4 mil0limeter cases between 11 4 so the 37s come in at 11 4, the 40s at 117. Uh ever brilliant steel or high intensity titanium, 100 meters of water resistance, better taper on these bracelets. Uh these are these are grand seco, right? They're 10 grand for the steel, 11,4 for the titanium. Um but uh like Grand Seiko does they got almost all the way and then this gnarly male end link actually stands the watch up when it's laying flat. It's bizarre. |
| Everett | Yeah, I mean, I I kind of |
| Andrew | came into Watch World with like this high regard for Grand Seiko. |
| Everett | Same dude. And I was like, man, that's |
| Andrew | like that's maybe peak watch making, peak watch design. I still do love spring drive, but I've come to hate Grand Seiko, I think. |
| Everett | Yeah, I I it's not for me. You |
| Everett | know, Grand Seiko, I'm the same, |
| Everett | exactly the same, right? Where there was a period of |
| Everett | time where I really held Grand Seiko in high |
| Everett | regard. I thought, gosh, I gotta get my hands on him. But now I have I've |
| Andrew | the only one I really ever liked that I've had had in person was that |
| Everett | New York teapot one. Yeah. Yeah. No, you you you know, look. So I mean there's some |
| Everett | cool stuff here. First, Grand Seiko has made their microadjust clasp standard on all of the Evolution 9, which |
| Everett | has been one of the it was one of the things I mean I commented |
| Everett | on earlier. I was like, oh, you've you're releasing this new UFA |
| Everett | watch, but you don't have the you've got the old |
| Everett | shitty clasp. I don't get it. Um and then and |
| Everett | then all these mechanical watches |
| Everett | are using the 9SA5 and and the spring or spring |
| Everett | excuse me the spring driver |
| Everett | using the new dope ufa spring drive so great that's great all that's good i i think if you're if you're into this and you're trying |
| Everett | to drop 11 000 on a grand seco. |
| Everett | are These really cool watches. But for |
| Everett | me, I just I I I mean I'm not gonna say they're not worth the money. |
| Everett | I'm not gonna be that guy, but |
| Everett | like I just can't imagine spending |
| Everett | 12,000 bucks perhaps on on one of these watches. They just don't do any of the watch things that I w what we know is Grand |
| Everett | Seiko has just amazing finishing, |
| Everett | right? Like probably perhaps |
| Andrew | the best in the industry. Second |
| Everett | to none for production watches, especially at this price range. I mean, i if you want to start spending |
| Everett | you know, lots more money, I'm sure |
| Everett | you can beat them. But a at at this |
| Everett | price range, I think Grand Seiko's finishing |
| Everett | is is setting the mark, especially |
| Everett | for for you know sport watches. With |
| Everett | that said, um I |
| Everett | it they're all thick. |
| Everett | They're all you know, they're all chunky |
| Everett | bitches. They've all got, you know, these end lengths that I fucking hate. Um, and and |
| Everett | uh I'm gonna just say it. |
| Everett | I don't like Grand Saco's dials. |
| Everett | They're not for me. I I do like the texture |
| Andrew | on these. I I really, really do like their birch texture. |
| Everett | It's just not for me, man. It's not for me. Every time I see a snowflake in person, I'm like, I get it, |
| Everett | but I also don't want it. I don't want it. And I know that's part of the appeal, right? I'm not saying you're wrong if you do like it. I'm just saying it's not for me, man. None of these. This is not a watch design for me. This is a watch design for a different watch person. |
| Everett | Probably you. Yeah. |
| Everett | But I feel I feel bad, but I'm I I'm I'm |
| Everett | with you, Andrew, where like there was a time where I was like I gotta get a Grand Seiko. I gotta figure out a way and and now |
| Everett | I'm I'm so glad I didn't. Yep. |
| Everett | That's right. Because I know I wouldn't |
| Andrew | have loved it. Like I |
| Everett | I mean I I could f I could figure out |
| Everett | a way to spend twelve thousand dollars on a watch. For sure. If you said, |
| Everett | hey, Everett, here's 12,000, go buy a |
| Everett | watch. I figured out I I could make I could make a dope decision. |
| Everett | It's not gonna be a Grand Seiko. It's |
| Everett | just not gonna be. There's no chance. |
| Everett | No. There's no chance. I mean, give me 7,000. Same, same. decision It's not gonna be a grand seco. |
| Everett | There's no world in which I spend |
| Everett | that kind of money on a grand seco. Nope. Nope. If I'm spending that money, it's |
| Everett | not gonna be grand seco. Um Maine? |
| Everett | No, we'rere alady on the topic. Just do that |
| Andrew | other one. Oh, which other one? The the new Pressage Oh, I don't I |
| Everett | didn't I didn't read anything about that, so you'll have to leave. |
| Andrew | Okay, so there are four These the rice paper |
| Everett | ones or the silk? The silk inspired. |
| Andrew | There are four new silk inspired thirty-eight millimeter watches joining the Passage Classic Series. Uh and when I first saw these, I was like, oh interesting. Why is King Seiko getting moved into the Prasage series? |
| Everett | W why Because these feel |
| Andrew | very king seiko y. |
| Everett | With the bracelets. Yeah, the bracelets, |
| Andrew | this this like jubilee, these kind of washed out |
| Everett | a seven link, yeah. Yeah, these were kind of washed out |
| Andrew | colors feel very vintagey and the pressage never really has felt like that for me. |
| Everett | Yeah oftentimes it doesn't yeah uh it's |
| Andrew | it's felt kind of like a a collision of heritage with modernization. |
| Everett | I agree. And this feels |
| Andrew | pure heritage 1960s and 70s washed-out colors that are all really lovely. There's this like kind of really delicately limed green-white, a white, a uh rose gold crown or rose gold accented white and then uh a gilted white and they're all really lovely and they all fit in the I think in the pressage line, but they stand out against the rest of what the pressage line is. I think. |
| Everett | Yeah, I mean look, uh and they're a thousand |
| Andrew | bucks-ish. Between a thousand and twelve hundred bucks. So I'm |
| Everett | gonna I'm gonna make I'm gonna make one comment |
| Andrew | here. Okay, just one comment. And in fact, I promise, no, that's not true. I'm gonna make more than one comment, but I'm just gonna make one comment. Thirty-eight millimeters by twelve nine thickness. Yes. Sorry. Wrist presence. |
| Everett | Sorry. I'm out. I'm |
| Andrew | out. Mm-hmm. I'm out. And |
| Everett | and and Andrew Heard and I don't disagree. |
| Andrew | I don't know if you disagree with this. Uh |
| Everett | and and please |
| Andrew | please tell me if you if you do, but |
| Everett | uh these look at least top down cheap to me that end link looks cheap to |
| Everett | me these do not look |
| Everett | to me on it on on they look like seiko |
| Andrew | finishing right seiko is not this looks like a seiko |
| Everett | five tight tolerances this looks |
| Andrew | like a seiko five i do not like these watches, |
| Everett | the size, the diameter of these watches is appealing because we it in |
| Everett | this Pressage Classic line we have a 36 |
| Everett | and a 40. I welcome a 38. I think that's a great decision. But it's 38 by 13, and they just look kind of junky. The only one I will say I don't feel that way about is the one with the rose gold. Uh that the the rose gold PVD doesn't look it's got like a a fluting on the bezel or a coin edge on the bezel that gives it to me a little bit of sex. |
| Andrew | A little bit, yep. And so I |
| Everett | will I will a comment. Of course, I've never touched these. And Seiko does a good job at |
| Everett | really feeling quality, even if |
| Everett | you know, maybe that doesn't come across in in pictures, |
| Andrew | admitted. But yeah, no, |
| Everett | it's um nope. |
| Everett | Nope. It is a it's a weird |
| Andrew | introduction. But I I do uh they do look cheap. They do look like psycho fives. Uh I still like 'em. But not for a thousand dollars. |
| Everett | I mean you got sixty six R51 movements, which is fantastic. |
| Everett | Um but yeah, the Nope. |
| Andrew | Yeah, I don't like a |
| Everett | hard pass for me. Hard pass. Main, not a hard |
| Andrew | pass. Now we can talk about it. Yeah. |
| Everett | Maine? Is that what we've decided on? |
| Andrew | Yeah, I think we have. |
| Everett | Mine. What a mine? Mine. Right? I only you're wrong. Maine. Maine. Um Maine has uh uh uh uh started a |
| Everett | boutique exclusive |
| Everett | series. You know, Maine's had some weird, like they like made watches with Nico Lennon. I don't know. Whatever. The direction this company is taking for its marketing has puzzled me over time. Not in a bad way necessarily, just |
| Everett | um, but all of |
| Everett | that aside, they make a few, a handful of really, really compelling watches. And this Manhattan 37 Ultra thin for me is one of, if not the |
| Everett | most compelling watch they make. |
| Everett | Um 37 millimeters sort of classic rectangular |
| Everett | case, taller than |
| Everett | it is wide, which I think is a |
| Everett | a really, really fun um |
| Everett | it's kinda like what, an octagonal rectangle. |
| Andrew | Is that is that is that how many sides there are? |
| Everett | Yeah.. Four Yeah, because it's it's straight sides and a chair for a corner. Um and the ultra thin in particular, because it comes in at like seven point nine thick, I just think dimensionally this thing is great. It is sort of an integrated design, which is to say it's got like a just a thin end length that connects to the mid-case. Although |
| Andrew | it's kind of like reverse integrated. That's |
| Everett | right. It is it's like a reverse integrated. |
| Everett | That's that's a great way to say it. Um |
| Everett | here they've taken their ultra thin, which has previously only been available, I think, with |
| Everett | that that sand texture, and when this watch |
| Everett | came out, I was like, I love it, but I |
| Everett | don't like the sand texture dial. I wish they'd do |
| Everett | something else. This uses a dial from one of their other Manhattan watches, which is a |
| Everett | Cote de Genève, and this has |
| Everett | got like a I like a uh |
| Everett | what's what's uh a gradient |
| Everett | fume fume fume |
| Andrew | if you're not being fancy. D dude,ude. This thing is fucking |
| Everett | cool. It's this beautiful like indigo |
| Everett | uh man. This is great. We don't have small seconds either, which I is not my favorite part of that |
| Andrew | of that Manhattan Ultra thin. They've |
| Everett | ditched the small segments, giving us |
| Everett | just hours and minutes, which I think is great for a watch like this. I love that. This is, in my |
| Everett | mind, the drressiest of a dress sport watch. This is |
| Everett | like, if you want a true dress sport |
| Everett | watch that can like look |
| Everett | good legitimately with a tuxedo and with you know your, sailing gear or whatever |
| Everett | wrist people do. Boat shoes. This is |
| Everett | perfect. I I really love it. |
| Andrew | It's really good. I think deleting the small seconds is the right choice for this. Uh this is a limited run though. There they're only but it so it's not limited quantity, it's just limited available. Limited |
| Everett | time, yeah. So 24 hour |
| Andrew | opening um 1500 euros. |
| Everett | When is the opening? Just for anybody who's listening at oh. I know I had it and I lost it |
| Andrew | goes to their website. It's available now. So in fact, like you might be like you might be missing it by the time you hear it |
| Everett | online. Um I you you know, this does have a |
| Everett | le ju paret D one |
| Andrew | oh D one O One movement, which |
| Everett | is a manual wine movement. And they |
| Andrew | integrated rubber on it looks good. |
| Everett | It it I disagree. |
| Everett | um it it they do have |
| Everett | a see-through case back or a uh display case back and |
| Everett | I just don't think I I mean |
| Andrew | the movement we're outside of the 24 hours you have to be notified oh |
| Everett | shit. The movement here for me is the least compelling part of this watch, especially that display case back. It's |
| Everett | a beautiful the case back itself is beautiful, |
| Everett | but the movement's not not pretty. I mean it's not |
| Everett | ugly.'s It it's not a it |
| Andrew | I don't know. This is not an attractive |
| Everett | movement. It's uh it's a weird |
| Andrew | it's an unnecessary upgrade. |
| Everett | Yeah, right? It I it yeah, whatever whatever. It's it's not a bad looking movement. It's just not the sexiest fucking thing in the |
| Everett | world, which, you know, maybe just give us a simple, |
| Everett | like something you could engrave. I don't know. Uh anyway, I think this is great. |
| Everett | I I really think it's a great watch, uh, despite my |
| Everett | complaints about the movement bracelet looks great uh screw on case back i yeah |
| Everett | I I really do think this is one of the |
| Everett | one of the coolest like dress watches out there right now and it's at a terrific price. Fifteen hundred bucks. Terrific. |
| Andrew | Yeah. You can't get it anymore. |
| Everett | I mean you can still get it, just not this one maybe. |
| Andrew | Yeah. You can still get the ultra 10 though. |
| Everett | Uh what's next? I |
| Andrew | have a weird one. Okay. The Titan Edge Ultra Slim Mechanical. |
| Everett | I saw this on your list. I have no clue what this is. I didn't either. So I |
| Andrew | saw this and I started looking into Titan. It's |
| Everett | a little like rescence. Yeah. Looking. Yeah. |
| Andrew | Uh so Titan is this big conglomerate company who's been making watches since uh the early 2000s and kind of like hanging out in East Asian domestic markets and doing fashion brand watches. And I don't know what on earth could have prompted this, but they were like, you know what? You know what? Let's do something really cool. |
| Everett | Isn't that fun when we watch companies do that? |
| Andrew | Out of nowhere. Uh I I looked at their website. They're there this huge conglomerate of of businesses. Uh in and in in that I mean there's at least five different entities. Again Matt, I think this is an India based business. Uh but like imagine Seiko in India. Or I might I might be wrong about India. Now I feel bad. But I think it's India. |
| Everett | Titan sounds like an Indian company. I don't |
| Everett | know why. Uh and the names |
| Andrew | of all these uh of all the people seem very Indian. |
| Everett | Okay. Um so it's either |
| Everett | Indian or Pakistan. Yeah, |
| Andrew | and I don't think Pakistan. Uh so uh so let me get in here. What we have is a watch that's been clearly inspired by brands like Resence and Bulgari because they're looking to drop a rotating disc watch, dual rotating disc watch, that one disc displays the rotates the hours, one disc rotates the minutes. At 5.7 millimeters thick, and that is being powered by an in-house caliber that is 2.2 millimeters thick, uh, with a grade two titanium bracelet, a 30 meters of water resistance, titanium case. I'm fascinated by this watch. This the bracelet, I think, is it's super ugly. It's this, it's like ungrounded tile uh for the the bracelet itself, but the watch is fascinating. And here's where it gets exciting. When you see a sub-six millimeter watch that's like cutting edge of uh in-house or not in-house movement, but of um in-house caliber movements. You're you're expecting a certain price tag. This is three thousand francs. |
| Everett | That's crazy. This doesn't |
| Andrew | make sense. Titan confirmed Indian |
| Everett | company. They're actually conglomerate with uh Titan, Fast Track, Raga, Xylus, Nebula. |
| Andrew | Bunch of stuff. Yeah. And confirmed |
| Everett | Indian company. Seiko of India. Yeah. |
| Andrew | And they were like, hey, let's do, you know, some cutting edge shit. And they did it. Because even even with the ungrouted tile bracelet. |
| Everett | Don't love the bracelet. Considered. |
| Andrew | I I like everything about this. I like the idea of it. I like the research and develop that went into it. I'm I'm here for it and I'm really looking forward to future releases.' Lets do something cool. At 3,000 bucks, you're you're getting dual rotating discs like very reminiscent of Resence. You're getting |
| Everett | in-house in-house movement? Uh |
| Andrew | in-house caliber. So it's it's Edge 903. |
| Everett | So somebody's making it and they're they're |
| Andrew | tooling it. Yeah, two point two millimeters |
| Everett | thick. Yeah. And it's an attractive movement too. I |
| Everett | mean you you it it's uh the bridge work here is fantastic. |
| Andrew | I and I don't know enough about movements to be able to look at it and say where they're getting it from. |
| Everett | No, no, of course I don't either. Yeah. |
| Andrew | Uh yeah, this is the 5.7 |
| Everett | thick, dude. I saw that. Grade 2 titanium at 5.7. That's fantastic. |
| Andrew | For 3,000 francs, right? So we're looking at 33, 3,400 bucks, and then |
| Everett | probably maybe four grand. With that or whatever, I don't |
| Andrew | know. This doesn't make sense. I had trouble. I I've read through this several times and I'm looking at pictures of it and I'm looking at numbers. I'm like, n what What? |
| Everett | It's a cool, it's a dual disc. I mean, this is a really cool watch. |
| Andrew | Yeah, maybe this. Uh and I saw another another couple articles today that were talking about Indian watchmaking, and I didn't read them. Uh, and then after reading this, I was like, oh, maybe this is what happened. Maybe this company just decided to like go all in and start trying to compete on a on a global scale. |
| Everett | Well, you know, India is such a fascinating place, right? Because they have |
| Everett | um you know, they've got sort of vertical integration in terms of their manufacturing capabilities, and they've got, you know, the smartest people on earth. Uh yeah, I |
| Andrew | think that's an objective factor. Yeah, |
| Everett | right. I I mean there uh uh uh it's you know you |
| Andrew | and you've got m a |
| Everett | really, really diverse economy, which is I think a nice way of saying |
| Everett | you've got everything from very, very uh |
| Everett | low income people to to much higher. So you |
| Andrew | can Oh, like absolutely destitute to billionaires. |
| Everett | That's right. So there's room to have |
| Everett | there's room to have people doing you know, jobs that you can't hire anybody for in America because we just can't afford it, right? That they've got the ability to and and they've got eight gazillion people. I I think |
| Everett | that's the that's the actual number. Yeah, |
| Andrew | that's it's eight point one gazillion. And so it |
| Everett | it's a really interesting place. You you know, I I think |
| Everett | it's we we've you know, obviously we've we've spent some time talking about Indian watches on the show in the Indian watch industry. But I I do |
| Everett | think it's a really interesting place to look at |
| Everett | moving forward because they've got so much capability within their economic infrastructure. |
| Andrew | Now it's just a matter of being able to project that authority globally. |
| Everett | Yeah, that's r that's right, Andrew. Yeah. |
| Andrew | I think we might be on the cusp of something cool. |
| Everett | Yeah. I've I've picked up a few Japanese made tools in the last several months and um |
| Everett | I was I was at we've got like a |
| Everett | sort of used tool place here in in Eugene. It's only open on Saturdays. It's called Lance's Tools. It's open on Saturday, I think |
| Everett | from nine to two is the only that's Lance |
| Andrew | is a retired fellow. That's the time that Lance is willing to uh uh use. |
| Everett | And it's like a shack, right? You walk in and it's probably three hundred feet, uh |
| Everett | maybe twelve feet deep by, |
| Everett | you know, twenty-five feet wide. |
| Everett | And um and he's just got uh you know, tools, everything from everything from sockets and ratchets to pliers |
| Andrew | and bucket of saws, I'm sure. |
| Everett | It's all like sort of garage sales stuff, but it there's the |
| Everett | quantity of the stuff he |
| Everett | has. So if you wanted to pick up a metric socket set, as long as you didn't care about |
| Everett | matching or whatever, you could go in there, you could probably find a |
| Everett | full set of Craftsman USA sockets. Uh you know, |
| Everett | you'd have to pick and hunt, but you could |
| Everett | probably do it because he's got literally thousands of sockets |
| Everett | just sitting in bins. Uh |
| Everett | anyway, I was there and I was noticing there are a lot of tools from the |
| Everett | 60s maybe um maybe |
| Everett | 70s that are japan stamped |
| Everett | and these are all sort of no-name brands right |
| Everett | they're made in Japan. And you don't get |
| Everett | the sense that these were um competitive products |
| Everett | when they were released. They were probably lower-end products. Well, now Japan makes some of the finest tools |
| Everett | on the face of the earth. And you know, of course post-World War II Japan had some |
| Everett | uh yeah they had a bunch of bulk |
| Andrew | steel to melt down they had some image |
| Everett | problems I I would say you know globally but you know, today if you wanna if you wanna get some cool shit, like go for Kogan or, you know, Nepros or you know, j Japanese tools |
| Everett | are competitive with the finest tools on earth. And I |
| Everett | thought, oh, that's interesting, right? Like here's a |
| Everett | company that, you know, maybe in the 60s people, or here's a country that maybe in the 60s people would have kind of lifted their nose at a Japanese-made socket versus, you know, |
| Everett | made in USA craftsman or whatever. And versus now, like if you get Japanese |
| Everett | made Coke and sockets, you've probably got about the finest made socket on earth. Uh and so when you say maybe we're on the cusp of something, I I think you might be right. There might be a space in the global market for India to say, hey, we when we do it right, we do it really right. And uh we're gonna be price competitive. |
| Andrew | I think they're gonna be more than price competitive. I think they're gonna be they're gonna hold in that affordable zone. And and part of that is is maybe like I'm not super familiar with India's like labor laws or |
| Everett | No, me either. Um I know nothing, yeah. |
| Andrew | You know, ethical business practices. But so m that that could be a a factor in it. But I think they're gonna be able to at scale be undercutting. |
| Everett | Certainly. Yeah. Well, and you know, I brought this up a couple of weeks |
| Everett | ago, uh, but Taiwan has sort of done that, right? |
| Everett | Where like if you're talking about yeah, |
| Everett | you know, any sort of tools to you know, |
| Everett | s sockets and and rates are probably the the most |
| Everett | famous example, but but wrenches too. Like Taiwan is |
| Everett | still, I think, in the United States at least, |
| Everett | seen as maybe lesser than Taiwan or German made. But the reality is they're making stuff that is effectively |
| Everett | just as good. Uh you |
| Everett | know, it it's they don't have the brand recognition |
| Andrew | and and and legacy associated with their manufacturing practices, techniques. |
| Everett | But even people will say, oh well this is stamped |
| Everett | made in China. I wish it was I wish they were making it in Taiwan. Like Taiwan is gaining a reputation for if if it's Taiwanese made, it's probably gonna be good versus if it's marked made in China, way less certain. But if it's marked made in Taiwan, it's probably gonna be good. |
| Andrew | Because there's also a certain amount of risk associated with stamping something maybe and like ratcheting |
| Everett | wrenches if you want like a a combination |
| Everett | ratcheting wrench you either buy snap on from the US at you know probably you know thirty dollars a wrench you buy Hazette from Germany, which is maybe a little |
| Everett | bit less, or you get Taiwanese. |
| Everett | That's it. And that's not an exaggeration. That's it. Those are the only players. If you want a ratcheting wrench, it's Taiwanese made unless you're gonna pay $30 a wrench from Snap-on. That's it. You're getting fucking Taiwanese. And they're good. Those are the they make the best |
| Everett | ratcheting wrenches on earth because they're the only ones |
| Everett | making them. You can't get them made in Germany, |
| Everett | you can't get them made in Japan. Uh pretty hard to get them made in the US. |
| Everett | It's Taiwanese. They're they're the only ones making those tools. So maybe India's headed there. Maybe they can find some places where they can be the only ones. |
| Everett | It'd be cool. It'd be cool to see that. It'd |
| Andrew | be an interesting uh explosion onto the global market. From a from a region that is that doesn't have manufacturing prowess. |
| Everett | Well I don't think I don't think that's fair. Not |
| Andrew | not in not in this space, right? Five years ago, if you know, I Bangalore came out. |
| Everett | Incre increasingly so they do. But yeah, yeah, yeah. |
| Andrew | Bangalore Watch Company comes out seven years ago, maybe maybe ten. And people are like an Indian watch. |
| Everett | Well, and they came out and they specifically came out in the enthusiast market that we swim in, right? |
| Andrew | Which I I would say even today, you know, we're looking |
| Everett | at this Titan watch. We're like, who's Titan? |
| Everett | Um Bangalore was crazy because it was like they were just like, Look, we're selling you watches, |
| Andrew | like and then and they're not bullshit. And they're |
| Everett | awesome. Yes. Uh |
| Andrew | and it's not to say that Bangalore paved the way for them, but it is to say that it was the first time I think that the majority of the watch enthusiast community was like, they make watches in India? |
| Everett | Yeah. |
| Andrew | In fact, they do do.. They This one's really cool. |
| Everett | It's cool. Yeah. Sorry if I I I'm maybe a little babbly tonight. Sorry, we went on |
| Andrew | like a weird geopolitical rant. |
| Everett | Yeah, mate, was that I guess that was technically geopolitical. |
| Everett | It doesn't feel political. It feels more excited than anything. |
| Andrew | Yeah, I mean there's no charge to it. We're excited about the the burgeoning uh watch industry of India. And I'm I'm excited to see what other companies, maybe not necessarily like Titan, but what other watch industry stuff comes out of this place in the world that is not known for their watches, that is not known for their fine manufacturing processes like Germany or Switzerland or Japan. But isn't coming to fuck around. |
| Everett | Yeah. Uh you know, I've got a |
| Andrew | couple other things I could watch at. Watch at my goodness gracious. |
| Everett | I've had at least one beer. You've had you've |
| Andrew | had most of one. Most of one. Yeah. Yeah. Look at you go. |
| Everett | Um I mean I'm |
| Andrew | okay saving. I I you know what? I I will even I'll I'll do you this favor. Ladies and gentlemen, I won't close the links that we didn't talk about tonight. |
| Everett | It is is this episode 399, |
| Everett | Andrew? You |
| Andrew | know, I don't know. Oh, interesting. And I don't know because sometimes I pull up an old show note template and I just add one number to it. Uh |
| Everett | so this is episode three ninety nine, which means which means that next week is episode four hundred. |
| Andrew | And we have a special surprise. We are going to give it |
| Everett | a we well |
| Andrew | no I have a special gift that I'm gonna offer and I haven't really uh I haven't talked to you about it or will |
| Everett | Okay uh but but |
| Andrew | I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna offer a a special treat next week. |
| Everett | I can't that that now my my interest |
| Everett | has peaked. It'll be interesting to |
| Andrew | you. Uh that's fun. Can I do |
| Everett | I qualify for this giveaway? Well, you're |
| Andrew | part of it. Oh I'm I am |
| Everett | the giveaway. Yeah, you're the gift. No, he's gonna sign up for it. You |
| Andrew | get to fly Everett out to your house and he is going to spend the weekend with you. Uh |
| Everett | I'll I'll bring my multimeter. And and |
| Andrew | he he is a burden. |
| Everett | I've recently purchased a multimeter and |
| Everett | I've been just using it on things. I've been trying to find things to fix with it. And I have done so successfully. |
| Andrew | So when you came over with your multimeter, I just I I think I should tell you that I've I already did all that stuff with mine. |
| Everett | Well we came to the same conclusion |
| Andrew | relatively independently. And the two I'm |
| Everett | not sure, I'm not sure if you I I th'm |
| Everett | not sure. I think if you had given me like a little bit more, I didn't have quite enough time. I think I might have been able to |
| Andrew | No, the tech came to the same conclusion that we did and then and then was like, oh no, the board's bad. So I had a I had a my my ace my HVAC unit failed. Well, the |
| Everett | one thing I wanted to do was check continuity between the board. Uh anyway. We're we're getting sidetracked once |
| Everett | again. Either way, I I reached a conclusion. |
| Andrew | Everett was like, Let me come over. And he reached this relatively same conclusion that I reached. Tech came over, reached the same conclusion, and then was like, ah, let me just check one more thing. And then in checking the conclusion that we had all unanimously reached, found another like a a hidden thing that was in the like was was the source of our thing and where we had concluded the issue was. |
| Everett | In fact, the idea that I wanted to try, |
| Everett | the idea would have tried I wanted to try that you told |
| Everett | me no, I couldn't try would have |
| Everett | told us that the thing you thought wasn't the thing. |
| Everett | Agreed? Mm-mm. If if I want to debut |
| Everett | Yes. We'll talk about it later. We're going to delete |
| Everett | it. Oh, |
| Andrew | maybe perhaps. If we had Yeah. No, no, no, no. It wouldn't have deleted it because the delete would have still had to pass through that safety meeting and it |
| Everett | wouldn't have turned on. |
| Andrew | Yeah, because there was a break in the wiring in a place that we couldn't access. |
| Everett | We'll talk about it later. Uh okay. Well, great. Other things. What you |
| Andrew | got? I got a book this last week. I also man uh we have been recently introduced into next introduced to next day Amazon delivery. We have a near enough distribution center that we get the Amazon van doing next day delivery. |
| Everett | I either get next day or like six |
| Everett | days. Yes. |
| Andrew | Most of the stuff I buy is next day. And they're like, if you add more in the next hour, it's all coming tomorrow. I'm like, well shit, I need to buy more things. Um so I recently got a book. Uh I've been I've been down a deep deep deep rabbit hole of East Carolina Whole Hog Barbecue. The bottom has not yet been reached and I'm I'm still digging. Uh perhaps the most famous currently the most famous famous East Carolina whole hog barbecue person and restaurant is a place called Sam Jones. They have a couple restaurants in North Carolina. Um, and it's run by a fella named Sam Jones, who grew up in a family that owned a barbecue restaurant called the Starlight Inn, uh, who had somehow no ownership stake in his dad and uncle's restaurant. And was like, you know what? I'm gonna strike out on my own. So this guy who grew up doing traditional like five generations of this really uh simple style of whole hog barbecue opens his own restaurant and gets a James Beard award, uh, it like just nails it. And he and uh fella named Daniel Vaughn, and for those of you familiar with the barbecue world, Daniel Vaughn is the uh editor in chief or not the editor in chief he's the barbecue editor for uh the Texas Monthly because it's Texas so obviously I have to have a barbecue editor. Of course. He's written a couple books. He's been featured in a ton of TV shows. Like, if you give a shit about barbecue, you know this name. Sam Jones wrote a book with Daniel Vaughn. That's called Whole Hog Barbecue, and it's this really beautiful semi-autobiographical but mostly cookbook of the way they do it because there's no secret. That's how like beautifully simple this thing is that he does, that this extremely successful James Beard award-winning methodology. And he's like, look, this is how you can do this shit in your backyard. |
| Everett | Big apple hole coals. |
| Andrew | Yeah. Basically, save the apple. |
| Everett | Wow, I'm going to use an apple. And |
| Andrew | that's his whole thing is like I |
| Everett | don't you have to put the uh I don't think it |
| Everett | you I you have to. It it creates |
| Andrew | a nice presentation. Cause then especially with Boar, because then you get the tusks like the mouth opened up. Uh |
| Everett | I think you need the apple. But it's not |
| Andrew | I I opened this book and I read it in I don't know an hour and I closed it and I opened it again and I started again. Because the stories he tells about growing up in this world and this or growing up in this barbecue world and in this family restaurant and this uh he like he's got stories about rediscovering this five-generation old uh subterranean not subterranean, but like in-ground pit that was where it all began for his family. It's just this really like beautiful story about this rebellious son who then kind of reconnects with his roots and is doing a thing that his family's been doing for generations and doing it in a way that nobody else is doing it, it was a really delightful read. |
| Everett | It sounds terrific. So it's called it uh it's |
| Andrew | called Whole Hog Barbecue. It's well written. It's got a couple dozen it's got basically the Sam Jones barbecue recipe book in it, uh ranging from whole hog to turkey to chicken to ribs and sides and desserts and with the like there are entire sections dedicated to all right, so you want to do one of these in your backyard. Here's your timeline. This is what you need to do at this time of day the day before. And this is what you need to do at this time of day. And this is what, like to the hour timelines for oh, do you want to have one at 7 p.m.? Here you go. You want to have one at noon? You're gonna have to adjust a little bit, but here you go. And here's how we do it at the restaurant. So if you want to build in a little buffer, it's fine. Because it's so so much of it is just like this art and and uh you know science is there but so much more is the art and the knowledge uh and i i love it because my this this rabbit hole began like four months ago. My friend was at Sam Jones, and he's he get the because they offer tours of their smokehouse. So he's like in their smokehouse looking at these whole hogs as they're working. He sent me pictures, and I was like, |
| Everett | Well, I now |
| Andrew | have um I now have a purpose in life. I need to roast a whole hog over fire and I need to stay up for an entire day just tending fire. Uh it's it's a really lovely book. Even if you have no intention of doing whole hog, there's a bunch of other things in there, but also like it there's something really romantic about doing a whole hog over coals of like from a burn barrel where you just tend this fire for you know the better part of a day and then flip it over and do a pig pick and just share it. |
| Everett | Sounds awesome. It's lovely. |
| Andrew | And it's not the bottom of the rabbit hole. The next step is I'm going to do this. |
| Everett | We actually need to dig a hole. No, no hole. |
| Andrew | 82 cinder blocks. Oh. Well that's |
| Everett | a lot of cinder blocks. It's $300 of cinder |
| Andrew | blocks. Okay. |
| Everett | Uh Andrew, I got another thing. Do me. Uh, |
| Everett | so this is this |
| Everett | was a surprise to me. This was a surprise to me. I was looking for a movie last weekend to watch with the family |
| Everett | and uh came across a tile for a movie called |
| Everett | Dust Bunny. And I |
| Andrew | love that guy. The the |
| Everett | tile was just intriguing enough to catch me and then I sort of I looked at the rotten tomatoes, the numbers were good, and I was |
| Everett | like, fuck it. With this this looks like, you know, it was rated R, but it was just rated R for violence, which with a bunch of teenagers, it's like that's gonna be fine. Like I don't have to worry about, you know, that like terrible sex scene or whatever, right? Uh so I was uh oh okay, let's do it. It's it's got |
| Everett | Mads Mi Mads Mickelson in it who's just fantastic. |
| Andrew | He's just never done anything bad. Never done anything |
| Everett | bad. It's got uh Sophie Sloan, who I didn't know who that was. She's a child. |
| Everett | She's fantastic also. Um |
| Everett | Um sort of gives vibes to me |
| Everett | of a young Drew Barrymore. Uh |
| Andrew | her name sounds familiar. It's got David |
| Everett | Dast Malkian, I think is |
| Everett | how you say his name, who is someone you who |
| Everett | you will certainly recognize, |
| Andrew | yes, uh, but who maybe |
| Everett | you might not know, and he's terrific. Anyway, what this movie is, what this movie is, is a hitman weaver for hire assists a young child in ridding herself of the monster under |
| Everett | her bed. |
| Everett | If you are not intrigued, trust me, you are not alone. With that |
| Everett | said, it is delightful. |
| Everett | The director's name is Brian Fuller. And if you don't recognize that name, please uh rest assured, you do not need to look him up because you will see nothing. He has done nothing. He did a 2002 carry |
| Everett | adaptation for television that |
| Everett | was panned uh heavily. He is |
| Everett | he is not a well-known |
| Everett | director. He obviously convinced |
| Everett | someone that he was worth taking |
| Everett | a shot on, and he nailed it. So |
| Everett | this movie is so fucking weird, Andrew. |
| Everett | It has it sort of like gives anime anime vibes. |
| Everett | There's like a bit of a like |
| Everett | Japanese or maybe Korean |
| Andrew | feel looks like that. |
| Everett | The costumes uh feel very Japanese. |
| Everett | At some points you're like in Chinatown, so you get |
| Everett | like sort of like anyway, it |
| Everett | aesthetically it is gorgeous, |
| Everett | plot wise, it is compelling |
| Everett | and silly and also amazing. Uh and it's not a tearjerker. |
| Everett | It's not gonna like, you're not, there's no moment in the movie |
| Everett | where you're like, oh, like where it catches you, |
| Everett | but it's satisfying all the way through. It is it it's similar |
| Everett | in that regard to me at least, |
| Everett | uh, as John Wick. Just entertaining |
| Everett | the original John Wick. Don't need to look at your phone |
| Andrew | even once. You're just along for the ride. We watched |
| Everett | it. The five of us watched it together and everybody, my wife included, we got to the end and we were like, that was pretty fucking good. That was that was pretty good. |
| Everett | And you get to the end. If Kim likes a |
| Andrew | movie, that's a that's the real stamp of approval. Sure. |
| Everett | If we bore it, she gets bored super easy and |
| Andrew | it's like that's right. That's right. Uh |
| Everett | anyway, it was just terrific. |
| Everett | Sigourney Weaver is as good in it as anything I've seen Sigourney Weaver in in the last 30 years. Um, she's terrific. And none, she's not the annoying Sigourney Weaver from Avatar. She is in fact just good Sigourney |
| Everett | Weaver. It's great. The Ridley from |
| Andrew | Alien Good. It different, |
| Everett | but yes. She's just good. It's like, gosh, you are a |
| Everett | great actress. She's never really fallen |
| Andrew | off. No, no. Well, she still looks |
| Everett | gorgeous. She's gotta be 70, and she's it's |
| Everett | like I mean, she's gotta be to |
| Andrew | the extent she's doing plastic surgery. She's doing a |
| Everett | really good job. She's got the best in the business. |
| Everett | Um, and clearly there must be some of that, or maybe not. Maybe |
| Everett | she's just got great genes. 76. That's fantastic. |
| Everett | She she's really good in it. Mads Mickelson |
| Everett | is perfect. He is perfect |
| Everett | all the way through. Doesn't she like famously |
| Andrew | not get work done? Andrea, |
| Everett | I couldn't tell you. I don't even have the |
| Everett | first I yeah, absolutely |
| Everett | no clue. Um Yeah, |
| Andrew | she doesn't she doesn't get work done. That's like a that's a thing. Or or she's just a magnificent |
| Everett | liar. She's killing it. She's killing |
| Everett | it. 'Cause like, God damn, Sigorni. |
| Andrew | No, no Botox, no plastic surgery. I'd hit |
| Everett | it. Wouldn't say no. I mean, I'm |
| Everett | I wouldn't because I'm married, Kim. I would not. |
| Andrew | One, you shouldn't hit an old woman. |
| Everett | Come on Old women need love too. Come |
| Everett | on. I didn't say love. Don't hit |
| Andrew | her. She's seventy-six, Everett. |
| Everett | Alright, we're we're firmly off the |
| Everett | rails. We never made it back on |
| Everett | the I I don't think we were ever like it. |
| Andrew | We went on two wheels all. Andrew, Andrew, |
| Everett | what else do you want to say? |
| Andrew | Nothing. Thank you folks for joining us |
| Everett | for this episode of 40 and 20, the Watch Gloker Podcast. I messed that up a little bit. It's fine. |
| Everett | I still just had one beer. Most of |
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| Everett | for another hour of watches, food, drinks, |
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| Andrew | bye. |