A 2000 Meter Dive Watch That is Not Dumb (398)¶
Published on Wed, 17 Jun 2026 22:38:58 -0700
Synopsis¶
In this episode of the 40 and 20 WatchClicker podcast, hosts Andrew and Everett discuss recent watch releases and share personal updates. The episode covers several new timepieces including Bremont's HMAF military-inspired collection, Certina's impressive DS Super PH 2000 with 2,000 meters of water resistance at an accessible price point, and Christopher Ward's whimsical collaboration with Seconde Seconde on the C60 Pool Diver. They also examine Tissot's refreshed Seastar 2000 Professional, Hanhart's desert sand titanium chronograph, Traska's refined Venturer GMT with its controversial 21mm lug width, and Doxa's new T-Graph 2 chronograph in multiple colorways.
The hosts share a philosophical discussion about brand expectations and how watches are received when companies venture outside their traditional lanes. Andrew discusses his enjoyment of Taylor Sheridan's new Yellowstone spin-off "Dutton Ranch," while noting the disappointing "Lawmen: Bass Reeves" series. Everett enthusiastically introduces his other thing: a New Riff alligator char barrel pick whiskey from a Eugene, Oregon liquor storeāa five-year bourbon that he considers among the best he's tasted, despite its youth. The episode captures their characteristic blend of watch enthusiasm, candid opinions, and appreciation for quality spirits, all delivered with their signature conversational style.
Links¶
Show Notes¶
- Bremont HMAF Collection
- Certina DS Super PH2000M
- Christopher Ward Seconde/Seconde Pool Diver
- Tissot Seastar 2000 Professional
- Hanhart 417 TI Desert Pilot Chronograph
- Traska Venturer GMT
- Doxa Sub 200 T-Graph II
- Dutton Ranch
- New Riff Single Barrel Pick
Transcript¶
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| Andrew | Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to 40 and 20, the WatchClicker podcast with your hosts Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, how are you? |
| Everett | I'm good, Andrew. I'm good. |
| Andrew | Okay. Happy to hear it. Yeah, I |
| Everett | was trying to think. I was going to so like |
| Andrew | I've I'm really excited about a |
| Everett | thing, but I can't talk about it |
| Andrew | yet. I can't talk about it yet. In |
| Everett | fact, I could talk about it. |
| Andrew | Best no. That's a that's a gamble. |
| Everett | But best don't, right. Yeah. So uh I will not, but I will talk about it. Let me think. I will talk about it after the 24th. Is that our next episode? No, it still probably won't be time. Maybe. |
| Andrew | We'll probably record on the 24th. |
| Everett | Well, if we do it'll be the 25th. So the 24th is the day I will be able to talk to |
| Andrew | you. Yeah, you're not gonna hear from us. This is |
| Everett | embargoed. This is embargoed news, but it's got me excited. At first, I was like it was like a really nervous, anxious excitement, but I've settled into just like plain old excitement. |
| Andrew | I like it. Yeah. Uh |
| Everett | it's not watch related, by the way, you |
| Andrew | guys. Not necessarily. |
| Everett | Just not even a little bit. Could be. |
| Andrew | You could find a through line there. Yeah. We're professionals. That's |
| Everett | right. That's right. But I'm doing well. I'm I'm sort of in a really nice place. I had a whiskey already before I came over |
| Andrew | here. Right. I had a whiskey. It's my |
| Everett | other thing, so I'm not going to talk about it quite yet. |
| Andrew | Okay. But |
| Everett | it's fantastic. It's fantastic. It'll be my other thing though. So again, you're just gonna have to wait. I am a I am a just a blue-ball and son of a bitch right now. |
| Andrew | You you really are. And it's all just a big tease from you. |
| Everett | It's not on purpose. Ah, is |
| Andrew | it? It's not on purpose. Well, no, |
| Everett | it's not at all on purpose. The whiskey, you're gonna get there really quick. The other thing, like I was like I was really contemplating you said you said, Everett, how are you? And I like almost came out of my mouth. Which is fine. I would have |
| Andrew | insisted that you uh edited it out. Yeah. |
| Everett | Yeah. Um it but it I was like, no, I can't talk about that yet. So Yeah, I mean it's fine 'cause we edit it, right? I could I could say anything I want. I could say poo-poo pee pee and just edit it right out. |
| Andrew | Yeah, but we don't ever edit out poo-poo pee pee. |
| Everett | You're right. You're right about that. That's staying, I guess. |
| Andrew | Yeah, that's yeah. That's the kind of that that's like low level. Like things have gotten a little bit sideways here. |
| Everett | And we're like, you know what? Okay. |
| Everett | You know, I have uh on my sort |
| Andrew | of everyday skis, my main skis, |
| Everett | I have a uh it's a it looks like a Patagonia sticker, but it says poo-poo pee pee on it. |
| Andrew | I like it. Yeah. Everyday squeeze should have a sticker that says poo-poo pee pee. |
| Everett | Um Andrew, how are you? |
| Andrew | I'm good. I am gonna I'm gonna apologize. I uh I took an accidental nap on the couch. Uh I sat down and I woke up because my dog was screaming at the door. Uh and it's it's uh it's not twilight yet. What would you call this? Isn't dusk. This is like blue it's we call this |
| Everett | golden hour. It's this is yeah golden hour heading in the blue hour. |
| Andrew | Yes. Uh and this hour it is uh eight fifty PM right now. Looks just like eight fifty AM. I opened my front door and I was like, I was very confused. Cause I th I 100% thought it was morning. |
| Everett | Yeah, you were like, Everett, it's morning. And I was like, ha ha ha, funny joke. And then it it took a kind of a long time. |
| Andrew | Minutes. I kept I was even looking at my phone. Like |
| Everett | it took me a long time to realize that you weren't joking. |
| Andrew | Not even kind of. So I'm still trying to uh get all systems back online. |
| Everett | Well have a snort of whiskey. That'll help. That |
| Andrew | won't hurt. Uh but yeah, so I'm just a little disoriented. Today was a it was a long and hot day. Uh it wasn't |
| Everett | warm today. Well, it went actually, it was like mid-70s. It |
| Andrew | wasn't. But I got I got my kids out in the yard doing yard work today. |
| Everett | Oh, I see. Oh, I see. So kids. |
| Andrew | They were actually helpful. They're six and eleven. |
| Everett | Just starting to get to the place where they're helpful. |
| Andrew | One would not anticipate either of them to be helpful. I told the 11-year-old, hey, we're doing it. We're going to work. And my six-year-old was like, I want to help. And I was like, Okay, I can please |
| Everett | God no. I can I can find something |
| Andrew | that you can't be like a hindrance to. And boy, they, you know, we spent like two and a half, almost three hours in the yard. And they both I, you know, they're kids, right? But they both remained generally productive and helpful throughout. But that just took it out of me. Because it wasn't cool. We went outside and it was like 70 degrees already. |
| Everett | But we did it. We got both |
| Andrew | the lawns taken care of. We got all the shrubs taken care of. We got all the kind of like side yard and beds taken care of. Filled the yard debris bin. It was a good day. And that just took it out of me. |
| Everett | Yeah, we've gotten to the age, I think. |
| Andrew | Um me me for sure |
| Everett | I'll speak for myself, but we've gotten to the age, |
| Andrew | I think, where it's like a a a middle a a middle length jaunt in the yard doing work is like, well, that was it. That was |
| Everett | it for the week. Yeah, that's |
| Andrew | like that's what I've got juice for for several days. Like there there's no more. You know, I've been I've been sort of on the weekends in particular really trying to be productive, right? I'm gonna do at least a thing this weekend, a thing around the house. And so some weekends that's bigger than others. And um, but it is uh it is |
| Everett | remarkable how like I don't want to say I can do less than I could when I was young. Certainly, |
| Andrew | that's true. I can do less. It it's |
| Everett | just more like I think I can continue to go if I need |
| Andrew | to, but like it's earlier where I'm like, when I stop, I'm like, whoo, I am exhausted. That that song I'm not as good as I once was really rings true. Right. I'm sure as shit as good once as I ever was. That that song is just really |
| Everett | You know, I'm I'm I'm living that right now. With that said, you know, |
| Andrew | I've done some long days. I've done, you know, recently |
| Everett | eight or ten hour days of physical labor. And it's not like there's |
| Andrew | a point where I'm like, oh I can't do it anymore. |
| Everett | Like, I can continue to go. It's not no, |
| Andrew | the consequences are for tomorrow. That's right. |
| Everett | The consequences just set in earlier, you know? Whereas |
| Andrew | as a younger man, it was like two hours, |
| Everett | I didn't even do anything today. So anyway, I think I probably ought to incorporate some resistance training into my life, which I really don't have much of. Uh yeah, |
| Andrew | I can be resistant. Well, Andrew, |
| Everett | we're not here to talk about beep and we're not here to talk about yard work or old age and old bones. Rather, we're here to talk about watches. Um, I think last week I came in with sort of excitement. I said, Oh boy, boy, what what a a banger of a week. I had the opposite feeling this week. It's not that I'm not excited about the watches we're going to talk about. It's just that I thought, gosh, they're a really not very many releases that I'm all that interested in. I I do like the releases that we're gonna talk about, at least some of them, but it felt like kind of slim pickens. Uh |
| Andrew | part of it's you know when we did our cutoff to start preparing for this episode. |
| Everett | Well we're we're uh I'm in a full seven I had a full seven days. |
| Andrew | But also uh this wasn't a super exciting week. Uh that's what |
| Everett | I'm saying. Yeah, I I think like |
| Andrew | we're kind of hitting a little bit of a summer lull. We hit that every year for I don't know, five, six weeks, brands kind of slow down, uh do a little bit of a summer break, and then they really start banging again mid to late July. |
| Everett | No, that's fair. That's fair. Andrew, would you would you uh kick us off? Can we try? Can we try to build momentum? I think if we don't, I think if we don't start with the shitty stuff, by the end, we'll all just like keep there's a couple things that you and I both know we're both excited about. So let's start with the less exciting stuff. |
| Andrew | Okay. Uh uh Brainwunt. Again. |
| Everett | You nailed it. Perfect. |
| Andrew | Again, doing something that just works so well and I don't get it. I don't understand the Braymont identity. So we have the uh HMAF Terra Nova, Supermarine, and Altitude released. Uh, the Terra Nova being a 40.51,1 1 thick, uh, 100 meters of water resistance, California dial, the supermarine 40 millimeter case, 12 thick, a um matte gray ceramic bezel insert, kind of a |
| Everett | like a fieldy dive watch, |
| Andrew | but it's more dive watch than anything and the altitude which is a 39 millimeter watch that's uh a really attractive uh pilot's watch i didn't mention that the uh the first what is this calling the the uh Terra Nova is this kind of Tanoe |
| Everett | barrel square case. It's a panor. It's a panorite |
| Andrew | case. Yeah. Yeah. I hate the dial on it, but I objectively like all of the rest of these watches. And here's where I'm confused is that this is I I feel like this is where Braymont should be living. Yet I'm surprised that this is where Braymont is existing right now. Uh they're all really affordable. They're all like 4,000-ish dollars. The the Terra Novas, 4,000 euros, uh the Super Marines 4750 euros and the altitude is 5150 euros. They're all these limited edition 300 pieces per run. Like these should be prime catalog watches for Braymont, and they're not. I like them all, and they're all LEs. What is up with Braymont? |
| Everett | I just think Braymont is not a good watch company. That's what I think. I I don't love these, actually. I don't like any of them. I I'm kind of almost okay with the pilot, can we talk about Bra Braymont's naming conventions, right? Like a little on the nose. I okay, it's fine. Whatever. I don't like them. They these look to me like Hamilton's, perhaps, or like Timex's. |
| Andrew | But that's because these are really classically designed military watches designed for uh his majesty's forces. |
| Everett | Sure. That's that that is what they tell us. Um fine. |
| Andrew | They've reported for duty. |
| Everett | I just think this is not the brand for me. I I mean it I don't know |
| Andrew | Braymont's the brand for Braymont. |
| Everett | There there was a time. I can't remember. I think that it was, it's been a very long time. So forgive me if I don't have the details right. But um what uh Adrian Barker went to I think Braymont's headquarters or something, and did some interviews with some people. And at the time, Braymont really wasn't on my radar. At least not in a big way. And the comments to the video, or the just the reaction, the internet reaction to the video was like, I was really surprised. I was like, what why does everybody hate this brand so much? And um maybe not everybody, but it did seem my my i did feel like there was a surprising amount of negative feedback and at the time you know i i you know thought really i i really enjoyed the stuff adrian was making on you know the content he was making and I I enjoyed the video and I was like oh these are interesting kind of expensive watches and um since then since then I have sort of you know I'm a little I'm a little bit contrarian, Andrew. Have you ever noticed |
| Andrew | that? I never once, no. |
| Everett | Uh and so there was a period of time where I was like, no, Braymont's fine. Like, what does everybody know they're fine? But oh uh just the more I see Braymont's watches, the more I'm like, yep, Bremont is not Braymont stinks a little bit. It's a little stinky. And you know, the the obviously we now have a different company, right? They were b purchased and you know the original owners aren't there and then they had their I don't want to say catastrophic, but certainly not super well received rebranding. And it I don't think since the rebranding that they've done a thing that I was like, okay, Brian, here you go. You know, maybe some stuff I liked better than others. I don't like any of these. This Panorai, I don't like it. Uh the diver I'm okay with, but it's both boring and ugly. |
| Andrew | Oh no, it's not ugly at all. Okay. |
| Everett | Well, subjectively, uh I don't think |
| Andrew | great like smoky black gray with a ceramic insert. Uh the the crown at the six o'clock isn't great. It's a super boring dial. The handset works for me. I I like everything about that watch. Like little little bit of an orange accent at the cardinal directions on your minute track. No, that one works for me. |
| Everett | Okay. The stencil numerals on the pilot. The pilot could be good. I I could almost be convinced to like the pilot. And then they've got those weird stencil numerals and |
| Andrew | that's a Tina. I never like |
| Everett | stencil numerals, by the way. If you have if you have stencil numerals on your watch, I probably don't like them. Um nobody's asking me about these things. |
| Andrew | Which is just nobody's ever asking any of us, either of us, about what we think. We just we just opine and wax poetically. |
| Everett | Yeah, no, they're expensive. They're |
| Andrew | expensive. They're expensive. They're |
| Everett | I I mean I and the I I get I get what's the name of that? I want to say that they were a Korean brand. They were like a direct to consumer factory brand that was sort of in the mix when we were just getting started. And excuse me, I'm gonna sneeze. I could I could have muted it, but I didn't. Um whatever. They they just I mean these watches could these watches could easily be 120 factory brand watches that you get off of |
| Andrew | Valley Express. Yes. |
| Everett | That's the way I feel about these. And it's not to say anything about build quality. You know, obviously these have better movements than that, but yeah, I'm not into these. I just am not. |
| Andrew | They they work for me coming out of Braymont. |
| Everett | That that panorai, the um that's the Terra Nova, right? |
| Andrew | Yeah. That Terra Nova. |
| Everett | The California dial I hate. Yeah. Look. |
| Andrew | This that doesn't make any sense for this watch. Yeah. It's it's just so weird. It's also like branded differently. It's the only one with the uh model name at the six o'clock, and then the logo, the HMF army logo or HMAF army logo is at the 9 o'clock versus everything else that has it at the 6 o'clock without the branding of the watch itself. I think that's a weird decision. It's it's the standout of them because it's also the only pure steel case. The uh the supermarines, this blasted kind of gray, is it titanium? I don't ultramat treatment. Uh so it's it is steel with a blasted case and then the |
| Everett | Parnus. That's the brand. These could all be Parness watches. That's the |
| Andrew | brands. I I see. Yeah. I I don't disagree. I see it. |
| Everett | Right? Uh right? Yeah. Oh, |
| Everett | this is the Parnas Terra Nova. |
| Everett | Uh yeah. And then the altitude is this |
| Andrew | saracoted kind of uh muddy green brown. |
| Everett | Look, I'm sorry, Bramont. I I don't mean to hurt your feelings, but dang. |
| Andrew | I don't think you can hurt Braymont's feelings. I think I think they're just they're just splashing away in the abyss and throwing it at the wall. |
| Everett | Hey, so in 2023, I believe. 2023? Uh Sertina released a thousand meter water resistance DS super. And it was like, whoa, this is pretty cool. It was a big it was a chonk of a watch, |
| Andrew | as one would expect for a thousand meters of water resistance. |
| Everett | It was a chunk of a watch. But it was gotta be a spectacle. I think we were like, this is cool, man. This is cool. I like this. It's a big fucking professional steel dive watch, and I like it. Um if you're into this kind of thing, this is cool. Um well Well, well, Sertina just was like, you know what? A thousand's not quite enough for our customers. And so we're gonna double it and release our DS Super P 2000, which is as you might imagine, a 2000 meter dive watch and I think I think that this is I think that this is the the shocking thing about the watch. I think the shocking thing about this watch is that it's not absurd. |
| Andrew | Yes. It's not |
| Everett | absurd. This is a 2,000 meter dive watch and maybe maybe you don't want it. It's it's it |
| Andrew | should be absurd and it's not it's |
| Everett | a big bitch it it's 43 by what 16 |
| Andrew | it has to be yeah yeah |
| Everett | 43 and 16 uh so it's a big fucker but 2000 meters of water resistance and it's got their pH technology. I think the pH stamp means pression hydrostatic, which is hydrostatic pressure, which means as the case compresses, it it sort of works together to increase, you know, it's not like a pure sort of brute strength. It's got technology. Um you know, Certina is r really a cool brand in in that they they've been doing cool watch technology for a long time. And they're sort of a player. They're not yelling at anybody. They're not screaming in your face. You're never going to see a Sertina Billboard. Well, at least not here, you're not. |
| Andrew | I don't know where you would but |
| Everett | they're doing cool shit and and i i i don't mean to say like the |
| Everett | nicest thing i can say is it's not absurd no |
| Everett | this is a good watch this is a cool watch and the fact that it's an interesting, cool, attractive watch with 2,000 meters of water |
| Everett | resistance, you know, that you you don't have to be scared. It's not 16 big, but |
| Everett | it's not, I mean, shit. But |
| Andrew | it's not big for what you're getting, right? Sango's |
| Everett | got some pressage watches that are like more than that. |
| Andrew | Every grand Seiko is that this |
| Everett | thing's cool. Uh this cool |
| Andrew | but it's cool and and the thickness is is backed up with a reason, right?' Its not like Grand Seiko that it's like why why is it 13 nine for a three-hand watch? |
| Everett | That with with the hundred meters of water resistance. |
| Andrew | That doesn't make sense. This does. 2,000 meters of water resistance is uh that's a flex. |
| Everett | You said you said it's got a reason |
| Andrew | I I'm I I may be I'm I |
| Everett | may be struggling |
| Andrew | to find a reason there. I mean two thousand meters of water resistance unless |
| Everett | you can accept that that in and of itself is a |
| Andrew | reason. It's a it's a 2,000 meter watch. Okay. Like I'm I'm not going to That is in and of itself |
| Everett | the reason. Yeah. Yeah. That's that's |
| Andrew | not a watch that like if if that could come in at sub ten like that's a that's a um a miracle of science and of r and d 16 millimeters for a 2000 meter watch like okay yeah no i accept and i'm good with it. I've if it's a 2000 meter watch, I kind of want it to be a big, chunky tool. I see. And not this dainty, delicate, felt sport watch. No, this is gonna be a big ol' chunk of a tool. |
| Everett | Yeah. And I'm good with that. That's right. Yeah, |
| Everett | me to me too. I I I actually I |
| Everett | I was shocked when I pulled this thing up and I was like, |
| Everett | yeah, Sertina, okay. Okay. |
| Everett | And this okay, so let's talk a a little specs. So uh uh get the obvious out of the way, two thousand meters of water resistance, uh grade |
| Everett | two titanium case, which is a really great |
| Everett | decision. I think that the PH 1000 was a steel case. |
| Andrew | I think so too. Um |
| Everett | we've got uh bracelet |
| Everett | and/or strap. I think it comes with both. Uh we've got a helium release valve because yes, of course. |
| Andrew | 2,000 meters of water resistance. You're obviously going to use it to saturation dive. |
| Everett | We've got four dial colors or four colorways. Um okay, so wait, |
| Everett | isn't that a really interesting nose? I'm talking about the whiskey. |
| Everett | I I swirled that and I was like, whoa. |
| Everett | Whoa. Okay. Um Um it is a uh grade two titanium. I |
| Everett | said that. We've got screwdown crown and case back, obviously, helium escape valve, great loom, four dial colors. There is a white with a blue bezel. I'm |
| Everett | kind of meh meh about that. |
| Everett | We do have a Powermatic 80, which is 2824-280 hours, NivCron Balance Spring, fantastic. We have the uh the Turtle |
| Everett | Conservancy, C Turtle |
| Everett | Conservancy Partnership, which is limited, 1959, 1,959 pieces. |
| Everett | Uh and then we've got the |
| Andrew | I like that one best. We you do. Yeah, I like the C Turtle best. |
| Everett | There's a black dial with orange and sort |
| Everett | of off-white loom |
| Everett | that I am blessing |
| Everett | that I'm high on. I like the black dial here. |
| Everett | And no surprise Everett likes the black dial. So yellow dial, white dial, yellow with black, white |
| Everett | with blue, teal, turtle, |
| Everett | conservancy, and then black. |
| Andrew | Compose yourself. Not the strangest thing |
| Everett | in the world for me to like the black best, right? |
| Andrew | Nope. What is happening? |
| Everett | That's five. Yeah. Wow. |
| Andrew | Um we're recording. And |
| Everett | it's and it's It's |
| Everett | $1,400. It's |
| Everett | out. Go. Yeah, and and |
| Andrew | and there it is. That's the that's the win right there. This is a huge, well spec'd big ol' bitch of a dive watch sub two thousand bucks. There's a ton of RD and technology packed into this thing. Uh it's a good looking watch. Uh Sertina does good work on their watches. Like there's exactly nothing left to want when you when you have a Sertina in the metal. Uh this is a bangin' release. |
| Everett | Yeah, no, I'm into it. I I I was |
| Everett | actually shocked by I I |
| Everett | I know it's weird to say. I was shocked by the fact that it's not ridiculous. |
| Andrew | It should be. This feels like, oh, this is gonna be 3,500 bucks. |
| Everett | When you wear that, I mean, I would wear this watch, I think. In |
| Andrew | titanium, yes, absolutely. And |
| Everett | not like, and not like, oh, I'd wear it on the weekend with a ridiculous outfit. Like, I would just wear this thing to the fucking baseball game or whatever. |
| Andrew | Yeah. You know, like the I what |
| Everett | is the aurus, the super like some of these watches you see that isn't that that are like 600 meters of water resistance are behemoths. They |
| Andrew | they''rere this big behemoths. Bigger. Yeah, yeah, bigger. |
| Everett | This is so cool, boy. Because a 43mm |
| Andrew | case, so it's gonna and in titanium, it's gonna feel very different than if it's in steel. |
| Everett | And they did a I think they did a really good job with the shape too. I mean, the way the bezel is I don't know if it's Dodecagon or it's some sort of multi-sided shape, but they added enough angle to it and they curved the angles. It just there's no absurdity to it. It's just like, oh, this is a really good watch. |
| Andrew | Just and it just happens |
| Everett | to be as close to waterproof |
| Andrew | as as the human can get. |
| Everett | That's right. That's right. Yeah. You're like challenger deep levels before the |
| Andrew | Yeah, this gets this gets wetter than you do. |
| Everett | Yeah. Yeah, |
| Andrew | I yeah. I mean really, really |
| Everett | very interesting watch. And um |
| Everett | let's talk about it for a second though. You don't, |
| Everett | you know, two thousand meters of water resistance on your wrist is not a meaningful number, right? I I mean |
| Andrew | no. You just don't, you know, the reality |
| Everett | is if you put your you know, take your Seiko and put some silicone grease on the gasket, screw this, screw the crown down, You're gonna be fine. I mean that's that's why we will die before that watch. |
| Andrew | That's why water resistance is worth 11 points. |
| Everett | Yeah, that's right. Right. Anything |
| Everett | over a hundred. Once you get to 110, |
| Andrew | you've surpassed the need. Can we |
| Everett | do a check-in on the whiskey? Have you tasted it? I |
| Andrew | haven't. I just wanted to get the nose one more time. Okay. It smelled like it. |
| Everett | Okay. Fair enough. You are you it's |
| Andrew | hot on the nose. You do air. |
| Everett | So I'll tell you, it is 112 proof, which is a big number. It's not the biggest, |
| Everett | but it's it's a big number, fifty-six percent, hundred and twelve proof. Um |
| Everett | we're just gonna do a brief check-in on the whiskey. He's thinking. |
| Andrew | Hmm. Hmm. |
| Everett | Hmm. All good thought. He's smiling. |
| Everett | He's smiling. All all good |
| Andrew | thoughts. Crazy, |
| Everett | right? Yeah. This is a five year old whiskey. |
| Andrew | That's surprising to me. |
| Everett | Alright. What's next? Okay |
| Andrew | Okay, that's good. That's very good. Um |
| Everett | Old Christopher Ward and Seconde |
| Andrew | Seconde have brought forth another collaboration with the C60 Pool Diver. And this is |
| Everett | This is one of the watches that was on the list for last week that we |
| Andrew | didn't get to. And I kept it because it's still fun. |
| Everett | I like it. And I still like |
| Andrew | it. So uh we're looking at a sub-1500 C60 collaboration with Seconde Seconde. Uh, here's the deal. It is a C60 diver with fun new colorways. Um they're difficult to describe um just simply because they're a little weird. So there's a white with orange, a light blue, yellow scales, oh hang on. White with orange, light blue, and yellow scales for pool side activities, applied luminous indices, and martini glass shaped date frame. Uh |
| Everett | and then you've got the same thing. |
| Everett | Well. That's the only colorway, |
| Andrew | right? Yeah, I thought there was another one. |
| Everett | No, no. So this watch is |
| Andrew | No, there's a black one. Yeah. Oh, that's the 2024 second sequence. That's right. This |
| Everett | is a sequel to I think this is |
| Everett | a at least a spiritual successor to this Sikonde Seconde desk diver released in 2024. Yes. |
| Andrew | Which was black. So there's the black desk diver and now there is the white pool side. So now we've got business by day, party at night. The watch itself is exactly what you expect. It's a C60. But here's the so the dial has in like an interior ring around the minute minute track that from the 12 o'clock reads in light blue read until two and then sunbathe n,ice tan, skin damage ratio, relax, flex, contemplate, or reconsider life choices. Uh with a martini shaped date window at uh five o'clock or excuse me at seven o'clock that says max units per day which is fun because later in the in the month like theoretically. Like things can get a little weird. A yellow date wheel on that uh date window. Um the bezel carries with it the same uh themes as the uh what what shall we call that um interior ring it's kind of like the uh the um shoot what's that watch that we talked about last week? What they c what was it called? The measure. It's got all kinds of measuring rings on the inside with a book, uh some steps, an umbrella, a camera, and the sun. Uh it's just it's a really I think well executed, charming, fun watch uh that you wouldn't look at and immediately be like, oh, that's a weird summer watch. It's just kind of |
| Everett | sweet. And I |
| Andrew | like it. That's why it remained for this week. |
| Everett | I think that it so these watches, both of these watches, the desk diver and the what are the what are we calling this? The pool diver seem to elicit |
| Everett | like odd emotions |
| Everett | in people uh like some people are really kind of frustrated with this watch that i've seen and i'm like what |
| Andrew | what's to be frustrated about like look, |
| Everett | it this is for me personally, um maybe not uh maybe not a watch that I'm pumped about. Like I I'm probably not gonna run out and buy this. This isn't no, I'm not buying this |
| Andrew | watch. But like I'd |
| Everett | love to see it. I'd love to meet the people |
| Andrew | who have it and see it in person. It's |
| Everett | so it's so like uh whi |
| Everett | whimsical uh you know |
| Everett | there is uh there is sort of like I do kind of wonder like a little bit about some of the |
| Everett | decisions or whatever, but whatever. |
| Everett | This the point was not to make |
| Everett | a watch that was gonna be serious at all. This |
| Everett | was someone's vision, Christopher Ward |
| Everett | and Seconde Seconde were like, that's it, |
| Everett | let's do it. Works for us. This |
| Andrew | is fun. It's gonna make people happy. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's what it is. It's a watch that just makes you happy. |
| Everett | Yeah. Whimsical and |
| Andrew | charming is are are the adjectives for this watch. |
| Everett | Yeah, I think that's right. Comes |
| Everett | on a couple strap options or a beter. |
| Andrew | Uh it come the strap options are white, orange, or that really good Christopher Ward turquoise blue. Yeah, this is I like it on the orange. Feels more summery. Also, the idea of a white strap kind of icks me out. |
| Everett | Yeah, that's right. I'm |
| Everett | with you. What |
| Everett | you got? Tissot? Ooh, |
| Andrew | interesting. Okay. |
| Everett | Um. Four new colors |
| Everett | and a new case for the two |
| Everett | thousand. The C Star 2000 Professional. So um |
| Everett | I know that we've got you guys |
| Everett | uh all excited for 2000 meter watches. I've gotta tell you, this is not a 2,000 |
| Everett | meter watch. It is, however, |
| Andrew | named 2000. Named 2000, |
| Everett | and it does provide 600 meters of water resistance, which again which again I believe |
| Andrew | That's 2000 feet might |
| Everett | kill you. Might kill you, |
| Everett | right? Yeah, |
| Andrew | without without being properly equipped. Yeah. Yeah. I |
| Everett | I I mean can you dive to six hundred meters? I don't I don't know. |
| Everett | Um I don't think you can. I don't think in |
| Andrew | the in the buff. I think I think it requires some sort of uh like one of those |
| Everett | metal like like suits. |
| Everett | Uh I think maybe a submarine. |
| Everett | I don't know. Um I don't know how |
| Andrew | deep like saturation divers are working at. |
| Everett | Oh sure, but they're in a building. Saturation diving is in like |
| Andrew | an environment, right? Yeah, but |
| Everett | I don't I don't know how deep they are. |
| Andrew | No, I don't know either. Um anywho. |
| Everett | Uh this is a uh this is a nice refresh. I would say this is a welcome refresh. |
| Everett | So um the C-Star professional, |
| Everett | I think, is sort of an unsung hero in the dive watch world. There's something about Tissot, |
| Everett | especially in 2026, |
| Everett | that is a little bit |
| Everett | sort of anti-enthusiast, I |
| Everett | think. They were just one of those brands that doesn't it's not the first one you think of, right? |
| Andrew | Not anymore. Five years ago, yeah. |
| Everett | Well, and and really e even |
| Everett | five years ago, I think that you know, |
| Everett | there's uh they've got so they've got some heads. I think when |
| Andrew | the PRX comes out and they it just takes the world by storm, Tissot lands itself in a really unique place in the enthusiast market. |
| Everett | Yes. And and they really played that |
| Andrew | hand and and then they abandoned it. |
| Everett | Well I don't know that they've abandoned it I |
| Andrew | think they just no no no they they that hand that that uh chosen one of big brands that really scratch the affordable and enthusiast market's itches, they they kind of lost touch with that. All that |
| Everett | to say, I think the TISO PRX |
| Andrew | does a really great job at producing a really capable professional diver at a thousand dollars. And and now I think previously my criticism |
| Everett | for the Sea Star 2000 |
| Andrew | would be that the dimensions weren't great |
| Everett | for me at least. Um w which is to say I want |
| Andrew | to say the old dimensions were 46 millimeters 46 millimeter diameter and |
| Everett | 15 and change shoot. |
| Andrew | It's not much better now. Um oh yeah |
| Everett | so 46 millimeters |
| Andrew | and 16.25 thick. We're now down to 44 and 15.2. I think that that is a remarkable |
| Everett | difference. We've we're we've |
| Andrew | dropped a full millimeter of thickness and two millimeters of pro |
| Everett | probably two very important millimeters |
| Andrew | of yeah, the difference between 44 and 46 is not insignificant. |
| Everett | Um so it it's still a |
| Andrew | big watch, but all of a sudden it is not absurd |
| Everett | to uh to use |
| Everett | a uh a a line that I used on a different watch just maybe 20 |
| Andrew | minutes ago. This is not abs absurd. And I really like what they've |
| Everett | done with these dials. So we okay, so come back to the dials. They've |
| Andrew | also equipped this thing with a |
| Everett | bracelet, a better bracelet. |
| Andrew | Tissot, I don't think known for its exceptional |
| Everett | bracement bracelet technology, but they've got an on-the-fly dive extension that looks like it's pretty clever. Um |
| Andrew | They've got Tissot's quick exchange system. They've got Powermatic 80. |
| Everett | You know, I think that this is great watch. And it comes in in several really |
| Andrew | good dials. So the blue, |
| Everett | very good. A little bit of an ombre. |
| Everett | It's got an interesting dial. I'm not huge on dial textures. |
| Andrew | It's a little wavy. But this doesn't |
| Everett | make me mad. Uh, we've got a very nice orange. Um, and then we've got two sort of |
| Everett | PvD models, both a sort of murdered out, |
| Andrew | and then and then they've repl they've |
| Everett | just repeated the blue in |
| Andrew | with PvD, and they both play |
| Everett | really well. Both of these PvD |
| Everett | models play really well. Yes, |
| Andrew | they do. Um, so oh, okay. |
| Everett | Am I gonna jump out and grab this? No, |
| Everett | I probably not. Shouldn't be jumping out and |
| Andrew | grabbing things anyway. Uh, but gosh, I really, you |
| Everett | know, I'm thinking like, okay, what is this competing |
| Everett | with? This is competing with Christopher Ward, this is competing with some |
| Andrew | Seiko stuff, kind of. |
| Everett | Um, and I'm I'm thinking, gosh, this at a thousand bucks, this competes ri |
| Everett | this plays really well in those. And |
| Everett | and frankly, it's a slightly more |
| Everett | serious dive watch than |
| Everett | you're gonna get from other brands at this. I mean this is a real |
| Everett | dive. Yeah, I mean I I think this is from |
| Andrew | a real Swiss brand. This is cool. I think this is a watch that that starts to take a a bite out of the Doxa Curious too. |
| Everett | Yeah. 600 meters of water resistance, ISO 6425. Great movement. This is a real professional dive tool, if you want it to be. |
| Everett | Yeah. Yeah. Um, |
| Everett | and I liked it. I saw this and I thought I liked it. It's got an interesting |
| Everett | case. I'm not wild about the mid-case. Oh, healing release valve. I love the bezel. The mid-case has these sort of cutouts that I think, eh, okay. That's a thing that brands seem to be doing more and more than I'm you know okay whatever maybe not my favorite thing but I I really enjoy this watch |
| Andrew | it's because it's good it's good it's good yeah |
| Everett | andrew what's next uh Hanhart. |
| Andrew | The Hanhart 417 Titanium Desert Pilot Chronograph. So this is a new addition to the 417 line with a desert sand dial in titanium. Uh I've this is one of my favorite releases of last year. It's the year before. I love this watch. It comes in grade 5 titanium. There is a 39 by 46 at 13.6 thick and a 42 by 30 or 42 by 49 also 136 thick. Uh Salita AMT 5100M flyback chronograph uh 23 joules on this, a 58-hour power reserve, 100 meters of water resistance, uh black or sand rubber bracelets with a grade 5 buckle on it. Uh these are just good. The 417 is I think I think my current favorite chronograph right now. |
| Everett | Oh really? Yeah. That's |
| Everett | an interesting. That's an interesting |
| Everett | turn of events. Uh, it's |
| Andrew | just good. It does this, it does a great job capturing and incorporating this vintage element and modernizing it without losing any of the charm or allure of that era of watchmaking and of watch design. And in titanium, this is like this desert sand is a really good color for it. It contrasts really nicely with the titanium on the case. Uh two really either of these case sizes are really, really good. And I think the hardest decision would be which one to get. |
| Everett | Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because forty two and thirty nine |
| Andrew | are kind of perfect for this this watch design for this type of chronograph. |
| Everett | Oh, there's no question in my mind. I'm going thirty nine for sure if I'm getting this. |
| Everett | I th I think so too, but the 42 |
| Andrew | is also just really good. You know, the |
| Everett | only the only upside for me for the 42 is that uh |
| Everett | proportionally I think it would wear a little bit |
| Everett | thinner. I think that it's gonna feel like a slightly |
| Everett | thinner watch. I think that the Even |
| Andrew | though they're exact same thickness. That's right. |
| Everett | I think the thirty nine's gonna feel a little bit |
| Everett | more pr like a little bit more like it protrudes off of the Yeah, but |
| Andrew | I think that proportion that 39 to 13 is is gonna be a a more meaningful difference than a forty-two to thirteen. |
| Everett | But I mean forty-nine millimeter lug to lug, even on the bigger one, ye Yeahah., the the this is these are great dimensions. |
| Andrew | These are great compact uh and I didn't talk about price. These are um hang on. There's only two hundred of each and they are three thousand Euros. Yeah. So call it thirty four hundred bucks. Yeah, I think I think the euro and the dollar are yeah are |
| Everett | pretty close right now. But yeah, no, I mean, that's right. These are these are priced well. And I I think increasingly Han Hart has been on both of our radars. Um, they're just |
| Everett | I don't think that there was a ever |
| Everett | time where Hanhart wasn't good watch company, but I think r r at some point, you know, I was hanging out with Blaine Townsend and he had just bought one. And I was like, oh, |
| Everett | interesting. Blaine has got a Blaine |
| Everett | has a really, really well curated taste in watches. And so |
| Everett | it it so it I I was |
| Everett | familiar with the company, but only only sort of adjacently and to see Blaine rocking a hand heart, I was like, oh, so tell me about that. We were actually driving around San Francisco, and uh I was like, What's the deal with that watch? And uh he was he was into it, and it's sort of okay, now I need to look into this, and uh and then |
| Everett | I think it was not long after |
| Everett | that that they came out with the prevent her and I was like, oh shit. Hanhart |
| Andrew | is Hanhart kinda slaps, |
| Everett | dude. Yeah, yeah, they're they're flying a little |
| Andrew | bit under the radar and and throwing fire down. I |
| Everett | I can't think of really any handhart watches |
| Everett | that I'm not pretty high on. I I mean or at least not |
| Everett | down on. This is gr these are great. Yeah, |
| Andrew | I don't have a single shitty thing to say about Hanhart. Yeah, I'll I'll I'll develop some shit shit talking. |
| Everett | The titanium on these is great too. It |
| Everett | is. Uh John Mack and Trasca. Always you know Trasca is such a weird brand because it it's just they're never like at the front of your attention. Um, but they're always there. They're always there. And when you s and every time for me, my experience with Trasca is every time I look at Trasca's watches, I'm like, God damn, why how is how is this brand still existing in this space? I mean they make they make without a doubt watches that punch above their price tag at every |
| Everett | level. I mean their movements |
| Everett | are the least impressive thing about Trasca's |
| Everett | about Trasca's lineup and they |
| Everett | use my favorite movements right so |
| Everett | so the least impressive thing is is something that i'm totally okay |
| Everett | with and then every other thing about them they're you know |
| Everett | famous at this point um case hardening hardening treatments their purlage you know their clasps that have perlage uh their |
| Andrew | their affordability against all of this they're they're affordability is almost like in spite of their quality. The m |
| Everett | markers on the dials, the way that they construct their watches, uh just |
| Everett | in general, the way they wear. I mean Tra Trasca was one of the first brands. You know, Lori and Trasca, I think, released 36mm sport watches within a couple months of each other. And we were both we were both taken aback pleasantly. And |
| Andrew | I bought one. Right. And then and then you bought |
| Everett | a Trasca and I had a Laurier for a little bit. And um one of the few watches I sold, which is something I regret, but um I I think back on that watch sometimes and I think, |
| Everett | yeah, why did I saw that? It was just sort of a timing |
| Everett | thing, but it wasn't that I disliked the watch. But you |
| Andrew | know, Trasca continues to |
| Everett | impress me with the way they really |
| Andrew | just subtly refine their watches. |
| Everett | Now here is a revision to here is a revision to their |
| Everett | venturer GMT. |
| Everett | Uh that very subtle. I like the way they've gone in most |
| Everett | ways, and then not in another way. And so I'll talk about them in turn. So uh |
| Everett | this is it it you'd be forgiven. |
| Everett | I would forgive you if you said I don't see the differences because they're very subtle. So the first thing I noticed was, |
| Everett | oh uh now the day |
| Everett | window is round. The day window was around. I saw, oh |
| Everett | I really like that. I |
| Everett | think that's a really good look. |
| Everett | Um It's got a really nice like uh |
| Andrew | frame on the date window too. It's |
| Everett | a di they say a diamond cut frame, and |
| Everett | I'm not sure exactly what that means, but that is what they're telling us. Um |
| Everett | and then you sort of get into the watch and you notice, oh, there's a couple of other differences. So the mid-case is just especially from the side profile is just shorter and more compact. I think that the lugs are slightly shorter and I think that they curve down a little sooner, but not more. So we still have a pretty the venture GMT has always been pretty flat and this remains flat, but it sort of seems like it moves away from the crystal |
| Everett | faster instead of stretching out on your wrist. This is really coming down sort of in a Rolex Tudor style. I don't think that that's controversial to say that Trasca is taking certain design cues. But then I was |
| Everett | like, what else is going on? This has concavities along the flanks, which are reminiscent to me of the Seiko Sarb of the Sarb O three five. Um, and these are three hundred |
| Everett | and sixty degrees along each flank, unlike the Sarb, which just runs along the top. |
| Everett | But I have never seen |
| Everett | or I shouldn't say never, but I can't |
| Everett | remember ever seeing another watch that did this. This was the thing |
| Everett | that originally drew me to the Sarb. |
| Andrew | Yeah, that that step, that bevel on the lug. |
| Everett | Yeah, instead of like a ribbon chamfer, it's actually a concave channel. |
| Andrew | Yeah, like they took a router to it. |
| Everett | And I just love it. They've done this here. And I think, man, I am really impressed with this. |
| Everett | We have a 12.1 millimeter |
| Everett | watch, which includes a gigantic |
| Everett | box sapphire. Yeah, it's like two |
| Andrew | millimeters of sapphire. |
| Everett | Uh GMT, 1200 Vicker treatment, um, |
| Everett | and an inner rotating bezel just like |
| Everett | you you're used to. The bezel's slightly different. I like |
| Everett | it. I have seen other people say |
| Everett | they don't like it, but I'm not sure what it is they don't like. Now here's the one thing that I don't love. And this was the thing that I very I saw it right |
| Everett | away, but I didn't realize what I was |
| Everett | seeing. It the proportions, the top |
| Everett | down on this, there was just something, and I was like, This is something that's bugging me about it. They increased the lug |
| Everett | width from 20 to 21 millimeters. |
| Andrew | Oh. And I just |
| Everett | cannot for the life of me imagine why they would do this. Um I don't like it. And as soon as I as soon as I realized what they had done, |
| Everett | it I it's all I can see now. Yeah. I'm not sure why |
| Everett | they did it. And |
| Andrew | now I know what it is, because now that I see it, I see it. That the glass just shattered. |
| Everett | You know, we have long been fans of twenty millimeter lug |
| Everett | width. And there's obviously we've named |
| Everett | we named the show 40 and 20. That's the lugwidth. |
| Everett | Which is not to say, you |
| Everett | know, there's anything wrong. Certain watches need |
| Everett | different lugwids, but here in particular, I cannot find any value to the change. |
| Andrew | Um not a 38 and a half millimeter case. |
| Everett | It yeah, I I knew if |
| Andrew | he'd have gone to 19, I would have been more accepting. |
| Everett | Yeah, I'd have been like, well, that's a weird move, but yeah, it looks |
| Everett | great. This, I do not like wide lugs on a watch. I just don't like it. Um and |
| Everett | and so here we are. I again, |
| Everett | no clue what was driving |
| Everett | this besides someone's subjective opinion about the way it looked. Obviously that's what it is, but |
| Everett | man, it it it's |
| Everett | a hard that's a hard one for me. Now |
| Andrew | I see it. I can't unsee it. I |
| Everett | know. I know. I'm sorry if you're at home and I've and I've ruined this watch for you. I think it's a gorgeous watch. And if you don't mind that, then by all means, |
| Everett | Trasca's such they make so they just make great watches their markers are |
| Everett | always class you know they lead the class their class at under a thousand bucks there's nothing there's nothing that's gonna beat this i i mean there's watches that will compete with this |
| Everett | but this is cream |
| Everett | of the crop for sub thousand dollar watches right now especially gmt's |
| Andrew | Yeah. I think Trasca is uh |
| Everett | across the line up. They're cream of the crop at their at their respective price points. |
| Andrew | Yeah, they are they're doing things that nobody else at that price point is doing. Uh I think in the way of a value proposition, they kind of might be the best sub-thousand dollar bang for your buck. |
| Everett | Yeah, I mean they're there, right? With |
| Everett | probably a handful of other companies that are really close, but um |
| Andrew | it's a small hand. It's a it's a tight it's a tight |
| Everett | group. Yeah, I I think I |
| Andrew | think their their proprietary hardening method is what sets them really apart. Never mind their good design, their good finishing, their good manufacturing, right? That's that's all on par with the other big hitters at this price point, but there's no other there's nobody else at this price point that you can take your watch against a against a cheese block to demonstrate the hardness, |
| Everett | right? Like a hardening method |
| Andrew | and and and do it without fear. |
| Everett | Sure. Right? Like my and |
| Andrew | oh yeah, they're working on uh they're working |
| Everett | on a jumping hour. Yeah, |
| Andrew | yeah. I think we I think we might have talked about that. |
| Everett | We we talked about it when when we we did our wind up wind up |
| Andrew | yeah um yeah that prototype is is neat uh and their chronograph is really cool um |
| Everett | yeah yeah this is uh when |
| Andrew | people come to me to to talk about a watch like I I think I'm gonna buy Traska's almost always the uh one of the first three brands out of my mouth. Andrew, |
| Everett | I've got exactly one more watch that I want |
| Everett | to talk about. What about you? I |
| Andrew | mean the list is long, but I could I could skip the rest of them. |
| Everett | Well then let's talk about it. Okay, do |
| Everett | it. The Doxa |
| Everett | 200 T graph |
| Everett | 2. That's what I was gonna talk about. |
| Andrew | Doxa's doing some things. Well, |
| Everett | you know, the 750, the |
| Andrew | the T-graph, like they're doing some things. They're adding to the catalog in in meaningful ways. Look, there |
| Everett | is a pawn shop that's pretty close to us, Andrew, uh the one on 11th, that has an old Doxa pocket watch in it. I I meant to take a picture and send it to you, but I didn't. But you you know, it it's a |
| Everett | reminder that it was |
| Everett | a reminder to me that the Doxa of twenty twenty six is much different than you know early to mid-20th century Doxa, |
| Andrew | right? Yeah. This is an entirely |
| Everett | different company. And really what this is, is the company of the 300 and 200T dive watches, right? That's what Doxa is. When people think of Doxa, they think of this iconic sort of C case uh Uh uh dive watch, right? This is this is what Doxa is today. And that's |
| Andrew | I think of the army. I think that's |
| Everett | okay. Right? Yeah, |
| Andrew | that's where they've decided to but even the army |
| Everett | is the same thing I know it's the same thing |
| Andrew | I also think of synchron and |
| Everett | and it's okay I mean I guess that's that's the |
| Everett | bigger that's the bigger point it's okay |
| Everett | that they're a company |
| Everett | that specializes in in one watch |
| Andrew | right i don't know for the most part yeah |
| Everett | they're a one watch company that's |
| Everett | okay at least in 2026 they're a one watch company. Well, this is |
| Everett | still that watch and yet |
| Andrew | it is so cool |
| Everett | and so different. So they released |
| Everett | a limited edition T graph, |
| Everett | I think back in twenty nineteen? |
| Everett | Yes, twenty nineteen. Um |
| Everett | and and those watches were were uh sold they sold out very quickly and people were like, we want more of that. And they said, sure thing, any any day no. Uh here we are seven years |
| Andrew | later. And 18 million skews. |
| Everett | Now we get the new sub 200 T |
| Everett | Graph 2, which is |
| Everett | a permanent version of the T graph. |
| Everett | Uh they've sized |
| Everett | it down just a little bit. It was 43, |
| Everett | now it's 42, it was 15 plus, it's now 14 and a half. Uh, we've got 200 meters of water resistance. I think the old one was a 300-meter watch. Um, and and besides |
| Everett | that, what this is what this is is a |
| Everett | two register by compacts chronograph pusher version of |
| Everett | the 200T and |
| Everett | if you like that if you, want that, |
| Everett | then here it is. We've |
| Everett | got um forty two fifty or forty two ninety, depending on on whether you get this on a strap or a bracelet. Not on |
| Andrew | the bracelet. The bracelet is so good. It's too chunky, but and you probably will remove it, but get it. |
| Everett | Get another bracelet. But ducks' straps are |
| Everett | also very, very good. But get it on the bracelet. I |
| Andrew | don't think they're four hundred or fifty dollars good though. |
| Everett | That's the rule. Get it on the bracelet. Um we've released this in a professional orange, a silver sea rambler, a black shark hunter, and Caribbean. Which I thought, oh, |
| Everett | they're the fourth color is Caribbean. |
| Everett | Okay. I see you ducks. And of course, of course, Salita Salita movement, SW510, no surprise there. Very interesting dial. Beyond just the you know, beyond just the obvious bicompacts we've got um sort of sunburst finishes on all of these I believe um interesting uh surrounds on the sub-dials and it's good |
| Everett | and they're not and they're not outrageously |
| Everett | priced. Doxes never are, but here uh I was a little surprised to see a sub five thousand dollar figure. Um, yeah, |
| Everett | yeah, this is really cool. I you know, I think for me right now, |
| Everett | as it sits, there are |
| Everett | two doxes I would buy. One |
| Everett | of those is a Shark Hunter 750T. |
| Andrew | That 750 works really, really good. |
| Everett | And the other is is the 200 T graph 2 in Caribbean |
| Everett | which surprised me because I I |
| Everett | think the Caribbean is interesting but here the, contrast between the yellow and the blue on the dial makes me feel a little bit of a thing. |
| Andrew | You know, uh when I got my pro, I was almost immediately regretful that I didn't get the Caribbean. |
| Everett | You know, I was surprised that you didn't |
| Everett | get the Caribbean. I I |
| Andrew | me too to this day. But I am so glad I went with the pro. |
| Everett | I would I wouldn't wear the Caribbean any |
| Andrew | more or less. I wouldn't like it more for sure, but having the pro is the right answer. |
| Everett | I I I appreciate that about you and I think you're not wrong. For me the Shark Hunter in a in a standard fair the Shark Hunt I've every time I see one, I'm like, God, this is just way better than the rest of them. Except |
| Everett | for this watch. This is the first one I've ever seen where |
| Everett | I thought, nope, the T graph is the one here. |
| Andrew | I I think it's because of those subdials. Yeah. Uh that that blue is fantastic. I I think I will end up with another and I need to go |
| Everett | I need to correct myself. The silver and the orange are both in a in a sunburst. I think the black and the blue are both matte matte finishes. |
| Andrew | Yeah, they're their standard colorways. Yeah. |
| Everett | So these are great, man. I think these are really, really good. |
| Andrew | I couldn't agree more. Dox is doing a good job adding permanent additions to their catalog. |
| Everett | Yeah, they're one of the companies I think that |
| Everett | really pays a lot of attention |
| Everett | to what people are asking |
| Everett | for in terms of in terms of permanent |
| Everett | watches. Um But |
| Everett | you know, the reality is, you know, uh there are still |
| Everett | a one-watch couple. |
| Andrew | They still are a one-trick pony, but they that one trick is pretty meaningful. |
| Everett | Yeah. And of course they've got the 200. I mean, this is don't you know, don't send me any DMs, okay? Like relax. But |
| Andrew | that I and I like the 200. I know that you have your uh reservations about it, but I think the 200 is a great a great addition to the No |
| Everett | and you you've long sort of I don't want to say you've accused me of anything, because I don't think that's totally accurate, but you've long sort of opined to me openly that if that was a different brand that I would like it better. And you might be right, Andrew. Um, but as it is, I don't like it. |
| Andrew | No, it's totally fine to not like it from Doxa. Like it's like it |
| Everett | if a' Ts so maybe I'm like, Oh, this is the coolest T so you could |
| Andrew | buy it. Like like when Timex drops three thousand dollar three handers, we're like, Well, I don't like this. Like, well if it was an Oris I'd be okay with it, but it's not an Oris, it's Timex. I I |
| Everett | I'm on record as loving the new time X's. I think those are fantastic. |
| Andrew | But but by and large, you know, we we have these expectations of brands and when they live outside of our expectations. You're |
| Everett | speaking for the community right now. What |
| Andrew | do you mean? The you're you're like speaking |
| Everett | for the watch enthusiast community. I love that. Perhaps. Keep going. Don't stop. |
| Andrew | But when they live outside of our expectations, we are the voice of the |
| Everett | watch enthusiastic. We we we tend |
| Andrew | to like rebuke it. Like, ah no, I don't like this. Like, I can't pay three thousand dollars for a Timex or for a Casio. Like Well, you you could. It and it it's okay that you do because this is this is cool. |
| Everett | Yeah. It's okay to be cool. It's okay to be outside |
| Andrew | of the outside of the expectations of the brand. |
| Everett | You know, it's it's it ain't easy being cheesy. |
| Andrew | No. No, it's hard actually. Andrew, |
| Everett | other things, what do you got? Oh, uh so |
| Andrew | I got into a new show. Um I what's new? I yeah, I you know I watch a lot of television. Me too. Me too. I have weird days off. Me too. I'm I'm home alone a lot. Uh so the TV's on. Uh so I I really liked Yellowstone a lot. And Yellowstone, it kind of fell off for me in the last couple seasons. There's enough drama already without like really having to fabricate it. Like they could have they could have dialed back on the drama and just held the storytelling and been better. |
| Everett | Or made it a th just three season this is a three-season show. |
| Andrew | Yeah, that would have also been fun. This is a three-season |
| Everett | show. Uh and then it fell off when there was the contract |
| Andrew | dispute with Kevin Costner and they're like, I guess we gotta be done. But But Taylor Sheridan has dropped two I think |
| Everett | Taylor Sheridan is just the like maybe like a world-class douchebag. I think that's the problem with Yellowstone. |
| Andrew | That could that could be it. But he's also been behind some of some really great television in the last 10 years. But he refused to let the Yellowstone universe die. So he dropped two new shows in the Yellowstone universe, Marshall's. The worst. Oh my gosh. I've |
| Everett | heard that. It is not |
| Andrew | good. It's fun. It's entertaining, but it's like all the other uh cop shows on TV, except it's Montana and if people wear cowboy hats instead of leather jackets. |
| Everett | You know when I, when I was in |
| Everett | when I was in Bozeman this last year, or when I was skiing in Montana this |
| Andrew | last year, our our |
| Everett | driver, we get a like a shuttle from the airport or from the resort to the w from the airport to the resort and then back. We get a shuttle. And uh our driver |
| Andrew | had been he had worked for Taylor Sheridan for like |
| Everett | a month when they were filming Marshalls. |
| Everett | And uh like just drove them everywhere and he |
| Everett | shared that Taylor Sheridan was a giant asshole. |
| Andrew | I don't doubt it at all. But the other show that dropped it's called Dutton Ranch, and the whole the whole premise of this show is it follows the other siblings who have now moved to Texas from Montana and are trying to start over. And this one is actually pretty okay so far. It's still some still some drama for the sake of drama, which you need for a television series, but it follows Beth and Rip in their seeking of their Montana dream in Texas. |
| Everett | Obviously, the two most salvageable characters from the entire series, Beth and Rip. |
| Andrew | Yes. And their story arc is still very good. Yeah. I like them a lot. That's great. They are the it's it's great so far. We're five episodes in and I'm I'm feeling like season one of Yellowstone interested. Like there's a little bit of drama, there's some tension, thing like naturally occurring things make sense. And I'm like, okay, this works. And I'm happy because I liked those characters in Yellowstone and getting to see their own stories play out in a spin-off is a nice surprise. |
| Everett | You know, Rip, I I was thinking |
| Everett | about the character, Rip's |
| Andrew | character recently. And uh, |
| Everett | you know, you know who that character reminds |
| Everett | me of is Swayze's character |
| Andrew | from Roadhouse. I was gonna say me. I was gonna say this. Just like you, Andrew. |
| Everett | Well, I mean it's pretty close. Yeah. Pretty |
| Andrew | close. It is the Swayze Roadhouse. |
| Everett | It's like, you know, I am |
| Everett | uh young and you know, maybe I've got some emotional sort of instability and some anger problems, and I haven't quite figured out all my shit, but I'm the toughest guy on the face of the earth, and I will beat the shit out of you, and I'm fiercely loyal and protective. Like in a way that's like, you know, I think for a TV watching dude, a man, it's like, oh man, that's what I I I want that. I want to be that, right? Just like everybody wanted to be Swayze, Roadhouse Swayze. Like when I watched, when I watched Yellowstone, I was like, I wish I could be just a little bit more like Rick. |
| Andrew | I just want to be a little tougher. Just give me a whole |
| Everett | I just need a little bit just a |
| Andrew | shot. That's all I need. Uh you watched the Gyllenhaal one, right? Oh |
| Everett | my great. Oh yeah. You know, yeah, |
| Everett | it was awful. I like Jake Jillen |
| Everett | Hall a lot, but that guy makes |
| Everett | everything from really good, super memorable, amazing movies to just |
| Andrew | trash. The trashiest trash. Did you watch his one man show? It was called like Lifeline or Ambulance or something like that, where he was a nine one one dispatcher. |
| Everett | So bad. It w like it didn't it |
| Andrew | it it had all the makings of being really good and then it just wasn't. |
| Everett | You know what it felt like to me, Andrew? It felt like an experimental, like a, like a film student's, like, like master's project. That's what it felt. |
| Andrew | Yeah, but so did so bad. |
| Everett | So did that Willem Defoe where he's like |
| Andrew | locked in the apartment. But his that was a masterpiece. Well, |
| Everett | Willem Dafoe is a freaking genius, |
| Everett | but no, I I I uh Jake |
| Everett | Chill and all I really like Jake Jill and all but |
| Everett | s he makes some movies that I'm just like, what the |
| Everett | fuck? His his range |
| Everett | is is great. Well |
| Everett | and and maybe it's uh you know, maybe it's uh |
| Everett | like I'm willing to try that. Yeah, that sounds fun. Let's try |
| Everett | it. It which is admirable. I don't have a problem with |
| Everett | that. He's made some fantastic movies, by the way. |
| Andrew | Yeah. Broke back most of like just It's |
| Everett | a great movie. Hey, look, I sorry, it's a fantastic movie. I think it's I think it was a fantastic |
| Everett | movie. Um I think I think Jake Gyllenhaal is pr also probably about half as good an actor as his sister is. I think |
| Andrew | Maggie Maggie but Maggie's not famous at all. |
| Everett | Maybe one of the most underrated actors on the face of the |
| Everett | earth. I think man, |
| Everett | I've never seen Maggie Jill and Hall in some in anything where I wasn't like, fuck she was good in that. |
| Andrew | Yeah. Yeah. Um |
| Everett | I've got another thing. Do me. It |
| Everett | I already did. You did. I already |
| Everett | did. Uh so this was a weird one. I went to I don't |
| Everett | need to Google. I I went to my liquor store. |
| Everett | So uh the problem with this other thing |
| Everett | is that you can't buy it. It is a |
| Andrew | little unobtainium. It is unobtainium. |
| Everett | It's not unobtaining if if you live in Eugene, Oregon. Or i if you live within driving distance of Eugene, Oregon. You probably I think based |
| Everett | on their inventory levels, you maybe have about |
| Everett | a week left of |
| Everett | ability to buy this. |
| Everett | Um, New Riff has introduced in the last couple of years a barrel pick project. |
| Everett | And what they do is they shoot |
| Everett | samples to liquor stores. I mean, you can obviously go to Kentucky and do barrel picks that way, but if you're, you know, say in Oregon. They will shoot you. You tell them kind of what you're looking for. They'll shoot you samples. |
| Everett | Newriff is just maybe like |
| Everett | one of the hottest commodities |
| Everett | right now in like youthful modern distilling and they've they've crushed it |
| Everett | I would say in the last five or six years |
| Everett | at a at a at scale right which is rare. It's rare. They are one of the rare companies that is operating like a small company, but at scale. |
| Andrew | But punching at the with the big boys. If you |
| Everett | want to get new riff bottled and bond, you |
| Everett | probably can. In your in this |
| Everett | place that you live. Stand in the place where you are |
| Everett | and buy a bottle of new riff, bottle and bond. But what this is, is this is a store pick. Their store picks are any at least four years old, |
| Everett | and you can give different profiles. This is an alligator |
| Everett | char, a five-year alligator |
| Everett | char barrel. Explain to |
| Andrew | me what that is. So, alligator |
| Everett | char is a type of char |
| Everett | where you know so bourbon |
| Everett | is stored in new oak barrels |
| Everett | and the the standard is toasted, which is to say the heat them |
| Everett | up until the wood becomes toasted, like say |
| Everett | a marshmallow, or a piece of toast. Oh. |
| Andrew | Yeah, okay. Or like a piece of toast, |
| Everett | right? Where it is, you know, it it takes some of the moisture out of it, it gives it a little bit of character. A little bit alligator char is where they take |
| Everett | flame and they |
| Everett | actually burn the wood until it |
| Everett | becomes charred and you know it |
| Everett | it if you can imagine obtains the the appearance |
| Everett | of alligator skin right |
| Everett | so if you can imagine an alligator an alligator strap right,?' Its got sort of a grid on it. Now picture a uh a a campfire the morning after, and there's that one piece of wood that's still staying |
| Everett | there, and it's got those alligator, |
| Everett | that alligator grid. They actually burn it. They burn the wood. And what that does is it infuses a sort of age into the wood, a premature age. Now it doesn't replicate aging, right? That |
| Everett | I think some people think, well, if you if you chart a little bit more, it does a little something different. Old Forester |
| Everett | famously has, you know, uh a line |
| Everett | of whiskey that's a charred line of whiskey, which is based |
| Everett | on sort of the introduction of charred age whiskey, which is when they had a distillery |
| Everett | burn uh and they |
| Everett | salvaged a bunch of barrels from it and people were like, |
| Everett | Oh, this is really fucking interesting. And and you know, uh ever since then, I think 1924 |
| Everett | is when that happened, and maybe I'm |
| Everett | wrong, maybe it was 1910 is when they had |
| Everett | their fire. Um, ever since then, |
| Everett | people are like, oh, bourbon is good in charred |
| Everett | casks. This is a chard cask, it's a five-year-age chart. Uh, and holy shit, |
| Everett | Andrew, you've just had what an ounce and a half, maybe two ounces of this? |
| Andrew | Yeah. This is |
| Everett | phenomenal. It's 112 proof. |
| Everett | It's a pick, right? So you can only get |
| Everett | this at the downtown liquor store in Eugene, Oregon. Uh, with that said, I imagine the |
| Everett | character is very similar to other New Riff |
| Everett | chard barrels. It |
| Everett | is, I would say, for me, |
| Everett | it is certainly the best five-year whiskey I've ever |
| Everett | I can't think of another five-year whiskey that I've ever tasted that I was like, holy shit. Um, |
| Everett | and it's probably like a type top 10 bourbon for me, maybe. |
| Andrew | Yeah, there's maturity. There's maturity in it for a for a five year old, but it's still got that fresh, like high ethanol nose. The flavors are still really bright, but because of that charring, it introduces like uh deeper older flavors that aren't maybe fully developed as you would get in like a seven to ten, but they they are lightly present. |
| Everett | And of course, this is, you know, a very expensive bottle of whiskey. |
| Everett | No, it's not. It was fifty bucks. |
| Andrew | Yeah. This is a fifty dollar bottle |
| Everett | of whiskey. It has uh I walked in today and I was kinda I I wasn't even gonna buy anything. I was just looking to see if they had anything new. And the liquor store brought it downtown is this guy named Nick, and he is |
| Everett | an encyclopedia of whiskey and tequila |
| Everett | and any other knowledge you want, this guy knows more about Booze than anybody I've ever met. |
| Andrew | And he makes nineteen dollars an hour. Probably it's |
| Everett | sad. Um, but he's really just |
| Andrew | very kind and he, you know, if |
| Everett | you let him, he'll talk your ear off, but not in |
| Everett | a bad way. Um and I walked |
| Everett | in and he said, Yeah, we don't have a oh, |
| Everett | did you see our barrel pick and I was like what |
| Everett | no and he was like yeah we got a new rift pick |
| Everett | he was like you need this and so he put it in my hand and I went to the register and I |
| Everett | got it home and I was like goddamn Mike |
| Andrew | you're right it's really good. |
| Everett | Holy cow. It's it |
| Andrew | kind of it kind of reminds me of like a Beaujolais Nouveau wine that it has really bright young flavors with interesting maturity. Like like i like all young whiskies, its peaks and valleys are really high and low. And you know, you get up into that twenty-one zone, the peaks and valleys are are really subtle. This is not. This is a big hitter. |
| Everett | It's a big hitter. Andrew, have you had the Jack Daniels |
| Andrew | barrel single barrel charg barrels? This is the blue label. Yes. I've |
| Everett | got a bottle at the house. Yes. It's really it nice. I really like it, but it is I mean, maybe half half as good as this, |
| Everett | you know. It doesn't hold a candle. Yeah. |
| Andrew | It doesn't hold a candle. This is really you |
| Everett | know. I've got a couple bottles of new riff. Um But this is this |
| Everett | isn't a different class of any anything |
| Everett | I've ever had from them. This is really, really a lovely |
| Everett | bourbon. And I'm so I'm gonna go buy another bottle tomorrow |
| Everett | because I think I just need to because it'll be gone. |
| Everett | Once they're gone, they're gone. Um holy shit. Yeah. |
| Andrew | Nailed it. That's a good pick. The only problem is with that like black frosted top of the bottle. |
| Everett | Yeah. You gotta you gotta gauge weight of the bottle to know to know how far into it you've gotten. |
| Andrew | It exposes at about the halfway mark. And and I actually |
| Everett | heard they do this on purpose. So they frosted, |
| Everett | like Andrew said, the the top of the bottle is opaque. |
| Andrew | And at some point they |
| Everett | transition from opaque frosted |
| Everett | to completely transparent at the bottom. |
| Everett | And the reason they did this is because |
| Everett | when you drink a bottle of whiskey down past the halfway point, it starts oxidizing and evaporating at a at a level that is unsustainable for time. |
| Everett | So after you've gotten a bottle of whiskey down |
| Everett | past the halfway point, you got to drink it or it's going to go bad. Above the halfway point, as long as you keep the cork relatively wet, you know, you don't want to |
| Everett | store whiskey upside down like wine, but you just want to |
| Everett | make sure that you give it a tip every once in |
| Everett | a while. Above the halfway point, whiskey |
| Everett | will last a very long time. But |
| Everett | after you get past halfway, you gotta drink it. So that's why they did that, which I think is just terrific. |
| Andrew | Yeah. I hadn't heard halfway. I'd heard like a third. Like two thirds. I got the the one third left. Like it's now or never. So half |
| Everett | ha half is the number I've I've always heard, but may maybe there's some truth to that. I don't know. |
| Everett | Obviously, you know, you're talking about degrees. |
| Andrew | Yeah. Yeah. So uh yeah, |
| Everett | I thought that's well that's pretty clever. Uh they wanted their bottle to look a certain way, but they also made a practical concession to like, well, we don't want it to be, you know, we we want to be able to be able to see, otherwise they won't be able to tell. |
| Andrew | Yeah, we we want it to be enjoyed at peak flavor. |
| Everett | Yeah. That's right. New Riff. Uh barrel pick. If see if you can find one, especially a charred barrel. This is. He he did say they got he was like they made it hard. They |
| Everett | sent four. |
| Everett | And this was the one that was almost |
| Everett | universally praised as the best. But |
| Everett | the other three were more |
| Everett | delicate in a really compelling way. So this is not a delicate |
| Andrew | booth. No. Uh |
| Everett | he said the other three were delicate, more |
| Everett | delicate, but really, really well done. And you know, |
| Everett | we we struggled a little bit with that. Ultimately with the one that was everybody's favorite, which was the harder |
| Everett | hitter. But uh I to me what |
| Everett | that says is if you can find a char barrel |
| Everett | pick of new riff, their their |
| Everett | barrel, you know, their their pick program. |
| Everett | Just fucking pick it up. These are all going to be great. |
| Andrew | Yeah. Yeah. I would, I would think so. |
| Everett | And I would tell you the details. I mean might I might as well just right. So this is distilled |
| Everett | July 2021 in |
| Everett | ISC Cooper's Select |
| Everett | HT number four char barrels, housing warehouse D, uh, |
| Everett | barrel number thirty-seven one eight four. Not to say that you will be able to replicate that, |
| Everett | but those are the deets. Well now |
| Andrew | that I know, I'll I'll know exactly how to recreate that in my garage. |
| Everett | Andrew, anything else you want to add? Ah, mana mana |
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