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Formex Swings for the Fences (395)

Published on Fri, 05 Jun 2026 10:09:16 -0700

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In this episode of the 40 and 20 WatchClicker podcast, hosts Andrew and Everett discuss recent watch releases and collaborations. They begin by covering the Timex MK1 and J.Crew collaboration, featuring a brook trout dial and braided leather strap at $198. The conversation moves to Bangalore Watch Company's Peninsula Carbon watch with recovered carbon dials at $3,000, praising the brand's hand finishing quality. They extensively debate the controversial Formex Aria, a 40mm integrated sports watch with a micro-rotor movement priced at $8,000, expressing mixed feelings about the rose gold accents and orange lume while acknowledging the technical achievements. Other watches discussed include the Dennison Oblique Collection at $790, and the Arkin Alterum Sage Grey at approximately $700-750. The episode concludes with "other things" segments where Andrew recommends a Luxome cooling weighted blanket, and Everett shares a hack for buying rebranded Snap-on sockets through Caterpillar's tool division at significant discounts.

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Andrew Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to 40 and 20, the WatchClicker podcast with your hosts Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here, we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. And Everett, before I ask about how you're doing, can you turn me up a little bit? Yeah, I noticed
Everett you were a little low I'm I'm oh there
Andrew we go. No. Now Everett, I'm interested in how you're doing. Previously I would have asked like a man would ask and actually not care. Uh but now I'm asking like a partner would ask. Yeah,
Everett I'm doing well. Uh how are you? Yeah. I've got very little to report. Um I had a productive memorial day around the house. I did a bunch of projects in the garage. Um yeah. Uh yeah, I think that's it. I'm doing fine. How are
Andrew you? I am also fine. I unexpectedly came home a little early yesterday, uh, on account of a kid who just like wasn't he's not sick. I'd honestly he was just being a little bitch.
Everett Malingering. Uh yeah, he was
Andrew malingering. He's we we all have bad allergies right now, and he's like getting accustomed to what bad allergies feel like. So in the morning, he wakes up and he's congested and his throat's sore and his face is puffy and he's like, I think I'm dead.
Everett Yeah. And then like three hours later,
Andrew he's like, Oh, oh, actually, I'm fine.
Everett Yeah. But
Andrew because he was home three hours later, I came home work, came home from work early, and I was like, well, I'm gonna do the shit that I would otherwise not do. So I carried around a bottle of simple green and a bottle of goo gone and a handful of rags through my entire house while he malingered on the couch and did all that shit that you would otherwise never do.
Everett Nice. Right? Because it's just like,
Andrew uh yeah, that's not a high enough priority. So I tackled the low priority, like the lowest hanging fruit stuff for like three and a half hours yesterday.
Everett Well done. Uh
Andrew it felt good. No one noticed. That's important because no one would notice.
Everett Yeah. But I know. Yeah, that's nice. That's a that's a good kind of
Andrew clip.
Everett Yeah. No, that's great. That's
Andrew great. The weird crayon spots on the wall. Shit's not there anymore.
Everett I love that. That was like high-level
Andrew low-hanging fruit. Yeah, it's like
Everett the 95% stuff, right?
Andrew It's the stuff that you just don't have the juice to get to. But at the point that I was that I was there, I had the juice. So I I I you know I squeezed it out. In fact, I rubbed it out. I
Everett love that with a with a rag and goo
Andrew on and simple green. Uh yeah. So I'm feeling uh you know I don't know what what's uh uh Pyrrhic victory.
Everett Oh yeah, sure. Like I'm I'm feeling
Andrew like I'm basking in my Pyrrhic victory.
Everett Yeah. And like I didn't win. Ain't shit
Andrew got done, but I did all the little shit. You
Everett did some stuff. No, you know, that's actually kinda I said I did some projects um Memorial Day weekend. And I did. I did some I did some real stuff. But it's like the kind of stuff that it's like I heard that saw going all weekend. What'd you do? Uh and like
Andrew I built a small cabinet.
Everett Yeah, well, I didn't build a cabinet. No, actually I uh there's this uh we've got these bar stools and they're not nice. They are but th they were kind of expensive, you know, 'cause anything that you buy that's even modest quality. You know, so we spent like 300 bucks on these. Well one of them uh one of them split. And they they're these like bent plywood um these bent plywood bar stools. And they're I I I like them. think they're cool. But the the one of them had broken, they run on these rails. They run and the the rails were made of plywood. So they have rails underneath and these rails attached to like a metal frame for the stool. And well,
Andrew that's a bad design. Well one of them, the plywood
Everett had just well uh they're old, you know, we've had them for 10 years. And uh but one of them had come apart. One of them had broken. And I I remember Yeah,
Andrew but you need to match similarly hard things against each other.
Everett When it broke, when it broke, I thought, you know what, I can fix that. Uh that was a year ago. So so I did that. I fixed that chair.
Andrew That's low level or high level low hanging fruit.
Everett That's right. That's right. That's what that's why I brought this up. You know, it and it was super satisfying. Uh, you know, and I had to build a I I I'm gonna use finger quotes here, a router table. And by router table I mean I drilled a router sized hole into a piece of three quarter inch plywood. That's a router
Andrew table. That's a router. That's a router table. And
Everett then I clamped that to my workbench. Yep. And I was like, yeah, that's a router table. And so I just I basically took that piece of plywood that had split and you know, r used my side cutting bit. Uh
Andrew you have my router and your own router bits?
Everett No, I've got my router. I've got uh I've got my router. I don't have your router.
Andrew You do have my router. Well, the router
Everett I used, and the only router that's in my garage is a Bauer router that I bought in the last six months. So I do not have your router. I do have your jointer.
Andrew I know you have that. Well, continue. So you built a router table. I'm sure my router's not my crush.
Everett And I used that to make new inserts. I use I made I did hardwood instead of instead of plywood and uh and got it all back together and glued it up and put it together and I was like, Yeah, that's that's a done job. Uh and nailed it. And then it was back in the kitchen and nobody said a word. No. It hasn't been in the kitchen for legit I it was last summer that it broke. It has not been in the kitchen since last summer. I put it back in the kitchen and nobody has nobody has said a word about it.
Andrew They won't, and they'll all sit on it. Yeah.
Everett That's right. No, I saw a coat hanging on it today. Nobody said a word about
Andrew it. That's the one. It's not that they'll sit on it. They'll hang shit on it and then like use it as a horizontal surface to store junk. Yeah.
Everett That's right. No one will notice. Uh and I also and I also did French I made French cleats for my for my shop workbench. I've got a workbench and I made some French cleats because I just wanted to hang stuff on French cleats. I thought that's a fun, that's a fun idea and I'd like to try it. And so I did that. But again, nobody noticed. No, nobody notices.
Andrew Nobody's gonna notice that. I I put one French cleat on my wall and my wife was like, Oh, why is that in the wall? Like to hang shit.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's an interesting I I mean the idea it's it it was a little hard for me to believe I I knew it worked because I'd seen people say hey this works but still like I was having like I was like this isn't gonna work as well I it's not gonna work for me right uh and then I I got it done I was like, oh shit. Yeah, that works. That actually works really well. So my
Andrew my cleats I I put spacers in to make sure that I put shit in the right place, because I'm notorious for just like putting things back generally where they came from.
Everett Oh, sure. And not where they belong. Well, so I built I I put I installed these. I don't know what the spacing is. It was whatever it was. I was like, yeah, this is the right spacing. And uh I I've got like no
Andrew not between I only have the one, but I put spacers horizontally to to prevent my b poor behavior.
Everett Well for for mine, I have way more cleat than I have things to hang on cleat. So uh which is fine right now. Did you
Andrew bevel the inside of the cleat so they all point out?
Everett Uh did I bevel the inside of the cleat? The way I did this was it's a piece of plywood with a forty-five degree angle that slopes towards the wall, which I think is just how they all the
Andrew way to the bottom. No, it's just forty-five
Everett degrees. So the they're like a four inch board and there's like a forty-five degree, you know, theoretically, I guess three quarter inch. No, no, so my ask
Andrew is it is it are they shaped like this? Um
Everett yes, but then there's a board underneath that. It's like this.. If This this is my wall, then I've got a board with a 45-degree angle. No,
Andrew no, no, no. So what I'm asking is so okay. So it slides in and then hangs vertically.
Everett Yeah. So I was asking if
Andrew they slide in and hang canted to the wall.
Everett No. I I was wondering if your cleat I did the most simple French cleats that everybody on YouTube does. There's nothing special, exotic, or weird about mine. It is just the simplest form of French cleat. So mine
Andrew I I I did not just the lip to make insertion easier. I did the full depth to make them all kind of point against point back point away from the wall. I
Everett didn't think that I did I just did a 45 degree a 45 degree and then I the thing on top of the degree
Andrew here. Yeah, respect. Uh but we're not here to talk about amateur woodworking.
Everett That's what this is what I say. This is what I say. I just took too long to get there. We're not here to talk about woodworking. Rather, we're here to talk about watching Amateur
Andrew woodworking. Amateur woodworking. Because we're not good at
Everett it. I think I'm I'm getting better at it. I'm not good at it. You're right, but I'm getting
Andrew better. No., No no, you're not.
Everett You try sometimes,
Andrew but you just might find.
Everett What do you got? Do your thing. No,
Andrew no, I I don't do the thing. You do the thing.
Everett What thing? But we're
Andrew not here to talk about all this other stuff. We're here to talk about watches. We already did this. Everett. I wasn't prepared for this. I didn't even I I was unclear as to why you were in our recording studio tonight. Andrew got uh Andrew is gonna go with a fun c oh shoot I,'m trying to move this damn tab moving thing. I want to talk about a fun uh collaboration that I actually just do not care about but i like that it exists is that an okay position to take yes the timex mk1 and j crew uh i i like that it exists. I like that J.Crew, which is a very mainstream fashion brand, that is also like just a little upmarket, right? Like people wearing J. Crew have made a decision to wear J. Crew.
Everett Right. I mean J. Crew runs that they run an interesting band between like you know the
Andrew informed and uninformed banana
Everett republic and alden right you know you can you can get very inexpensive J. Crew outlet stuff like you know, twenty-five dollar shhak shorts, all the way up to a thousand dollar suit and seven hundred dollar Alden Blukers,
Andrew right? And J. Crew suiting options, like their their in their their suit or their their jackets and bottoms are not offensive, right? They're they tend to be well made. They tend to like they tend to look good.
Everett Well, and they have everything from actually kind of shitty suits to really, if you get them tailored, pretty nice suits.
Andrew Yeah. So it's it's a r an interesting market segment that is exactly timex. Timex and J crew are one and the same. I do absolutely and without any reservation, hate this collaboration, but I love that it exists. This braided leather or fob braided leather strap and the salmon on it is nothing short of a fuck up. But
Everett sir, sir, sir, sir, that is a brook trout. That is a brook trout.
Andrew Right off. This is a schmishmortion of a collaboration, but I love that it exists because timex is j crew it is this really accessible really familiar brand that has this wildly wide margin, right? You know, if we look at the artelier uh that that takes us north up to like almost a thousand bucks, the artillery is like seven fifty ish, I'm not gonna look it up. Uh down to the the the timex that you find it at the Walmart. That's exactly J. Crew, right? If you go into uh J. Crew
Everett Yeah, a thousand to like fifteen hundred on the Atelier.
Andrew Yeah. Right. Th this is maybe one of the most perfect unions of uh mainstream fashion mainstream affordable fashion and mainstream watch with like both of them existing and like high-end baller shit that that has ever been. And that's what gets me excited. Yeah. I there might there might just only be this one. But I think this is really cool. I think this is a cool window for normies who don't give a shit about their watch to be like, oh, a
Everett Timex MK1
Andrew that costs a little bit of money. I didn't even look at how much it costs.
Everett 198 bucks. Yeah. 198 bucks. I actually
Andrew that's a lift for somebody who's spending ninety-nine dollars on jeans.
Everett I actually think this is a really clever I I I think the watch itself is really clever. I I don't uh you know you know I'm not wild about it it it's it
Andrew it's what what's the
Everett right word? It's uh nonsensical in a way that appeals to me. This brook trout uh without any explanation for why there's a brook trout on the dial. Uh the braided leather strap, I I'm actually here for it, dude. I I'm of an age, Andrew. I'm of an age that I I've worn braided leather belts. And I think I I just saw this and I was like, this is so um again, I'm I'm looking for a word. Um
Andrew it it it's just it's silly and a
Everett little like absurd and
Andrew also delightful. And and frankly,
Everett I'll just say, I think it's probably a pretty nice watch. This is a stainless steel MK1. When I first saw it, I saw the gold and I thought,
Everett oh, this is a plated brass watch, but no, it's a stainless watch. You know, the movement's gonna be a nothing burger, but uh
Everett I'm not gonna land in the movement world. I would wear this. It's 36 millimeters, so it's
Andrew a really sort of quaint. Yeah, I guess I didn't even talk about the watch. I just talked about the interesting collision of fashion.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. I I actually I I actually think this is a delightful watch. And you you know of course a watch with a brook trout and a braided leather strap is clearly not gonna be forever. How
Andrew many braided braided leather belts did you blow out as a kid?
Everett I mean some, I don't know. I don't have
Everett a count, but I don't have a count either, but
Andrew like more than one. Yeah, maybe. Like numerous braided leather belts. I like burned out and was like, Well, I guess I gotta go too tight or too loose. I don't know. And then you went too tight and you blew out another one. I don't know if you're old enough for this, Andrew, but
Everett did you ever do the thing where you and
Andrew then slid it through in the front? Yeah, yeah, you like fold it over. Try to look like Robin Hood?
Everett Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm old enough. Okay.
Andrew Well, you're not that much older than me. Well,
Everett but you you know, there's some of that stuff, right, where
Everett it's like you were either I
Andrew I was I was squarely on the tail end of the braided leather belt pulled over, thrown through the loop, and I was dangling like rubber.
Everett I was young enough. I want to say I was sixth or seventh grade when that was a thing. So you know, it it's like m 50-50 for you, right? Because that would have put you.
Andrew We're in the zone. I was at the tail end, you were at the cutting edge. Sorry you're so old.
Everett No, I I actually think it's a really clever I actually think it's a really clever watch and and I like it.
Everett Bangalore. Bangalore watch company
Everett uh I would say Friends
Everett of the show. Uh we uh have been uh I think really positive about just about
Everett every Bangalore release
Everett that's come out since forever, right? We finally
Andrew had since the beginning. We finally
Everett had these guys on the show and they're just delightful. And then and then since then they've released a a number of watches. And every time they release a watch, I just think, gosh, that is so uh whimsical,
Everett is the word I think I was looking for in in talking about the
Everett Timex. And I'm gonna use that word as well for the Bangalore Peninsula carbon, uh, with a dial made from recovered
Everett carbon. Okay. I did
Andrew where are they recovering it from? Well,
Everett that's a reasonable question. Um like
Andrew emissions? That That would be baller. They could just like put up a little balloon and capture carbon.
Everett So this is a this is a
Everett peninsula which is a watch that we've seen before
Everett and you probably know and hopefully
Everett love or uh I don't know. I don't actually care if you love it or not. I love
Everett it. Um, it is a 316L stainless
Everett steel watch, 44. It's big, but it's a pebble
Everett style watch, which is to say it's got no um no lug to lug dimension in excess of the case
Everett diameter so 44 on the x
Everett and 44 on the y axes
Andrew 49 on the X because of that big ass baller crown. It
Everett does have a big crown, and I like that.
Andrew I love the crown on this watch. I've not I don't recall a pebble that I've seen with like a this is this like almost is uh steampunky
Everett yeah right with like soft
Andrew and hard awk like angles all working together right it's this perfectly round case with a cube of a crown. Yeah. That's right.
Everett That's right. It's not a cube, it's a cylinder, but it is a big chunk.
Andrew It's a it's a visible cube. So
Everett to to respond to your uh query about w where
Andrew they get where they get reclaimed carbon.
Everett So this is actually there's a Indian company
Everett that they're working with, a Bangalore based
Everett material science company that is they that they've've uh named this stuff reforge
Andrew carbon, one word. Um,
Everett and it's a substance obtained through paralysis of industrial waste materials that would otherwise
Everett release pollutants into the atmosphere. So
Everett uh although you were saying that somewhat tongue-in-cheek earlier, that
Andrew is precisely what this is.
Everett Now, the reforged carbon is
Everett this sort of, it's a mix
Everett between, well, no, it's not a mix. This is a
Andrew really uh the monochrome
Everett article I I read said a chaotic
Everett pattern, and I think that's a good word for it.
Everett It is not um it is not a typical like cross-cut carbon or
Everett uh uh you know fragment
Everett carbon it is a really it's like whoa
Everett this is weird and cool uh we do have
Everett applied hour markers just and rhodium plated hands uh we've
Everett got all the good stuff. BGW9. It is a
Everett thick watch. It's 13 and change. But you
Andrew should be. It's pebble. It's a pebble. And you get 200
Everett meters of water resistance. Um
Everett and and the minute track. The minute
Everett track is where the goods are. We have got uh
Everett they say this is a mock AQI scale. It transitions from green to yellow to orange to red, uh, in reference to modern air quality indexes, which I I think this
Everett is it's fun. It's silly
Everett and it's fun and I really like it. Now the there's no uh the the AQI scale is not practical, right?
Everett You're not actually measuring
Everett anything. Um unless
Andrew your assumption is that as the day progresses, yeah, it gets worse.
Everett Now uh Bangalore Watch Company uh is is
Everett an interesting company. We talked a lot about this um in in our Bangalore episode, but you know, they're uh a
Everett company coming, a watch company coming out of India, which I I
Everett think it's not unfair to say India's got this reputation uh for like fake Seiko's por ejemplo. And and I I don't I don't know that the average, let's say, Western, Westerner has an appreciation for uh you know Indian goods in the way you might appreciate Swiss goods or German goods or
Andrew Japanese or even Chineseese. Taiwan, right? Or Taiwanese. Yeah, I think Taiwanese is maybe the best example. And
Everett so what we have here is um you know, uh really sort of
Everett a tension, a natural tension that
Everett Bangalore has has embraced and they're coming
Everett out with really,
Everett really very nice
Andrew watches. So when I say
Everett the price point on this is three thousand dollars.
Everett It's almost like what an India watch for three. But every single
Andrew Bangalore watch I've ever handled, I've
Everett thought, oh my gosh, fuck, this is so nice. And I'm sure, having not handled this, I'm sure this watch is no different.
Andrew It's gonna exactly meet every Bangalore expectation that they've set.
Everett Or maybe you don't have an expectation. And I would say comparables would be uh you know, I I I want to say like longine.
Andrew I think that's fair. I think I think long, like
Everett tutor, you know, I I think tutor
Andrew might be a bridge too far. I
Everett want to put this up there with I I'm gonna put long uh Bangalore watches up there in terms of quality. And we do that a lot,
Everett right? I actually don't think Tudor
Andrew is uh that far above Longine,
Everett perhaps. And so when I say these watches are ticking,
Everett you you know, the hand finishing, the case finishing. Now this watch doesn't come in
Everett a bracelet, which I I really I just tell you, I would struggle to pay uh three thousand bucks for a watch without a bracelet, uh, unless it was like a banger dress watch. But um the quality, I I feel confident in saying the quality is gonna be there.
Everett Hand finishing was the thing with Bangalore that
Everett really blew my mind. It they're up there with you know Monta for the best hand finishing on watches I've ever seen.
Andrew I don't uh I don't contest that. I don't know if I necessarily agree, but there there's no part of me that disagrees. Yeah. I accept.
Everett Yeah, I mean it it it's sort of like the it's a little bit subjective. Frankly, it's probably not subjective, but I think for the average watch user wearer, it probably falls into that category because I don't think most of us know what we're talking about when we talk about hand finishing. But subjectively, my opinion is
Andrew that their hand finishing and just their
Everett general case finishing is up there with some real some real hitters. So
Andrew this is an expensive watch, especially for a 200-1
Everett movement. Um but you
Andrew know but I think they're there. The way things are pushing north on pricing. A 200-1 has kind of become a mainstay in the like two to three thousand dollar watches. Yeah. And I I
Everett I think this is about the limit for where you can offer. For me personally, this is about the limit. I
Andrew don't disagree, but I think industry standards have kind of come to accept that you can charge three to five thousand dollars for an SW two hundred.
Everett Yeah. And and and they will sell. I I'm gonna I'm gonna suggest that I'm gonna suggest that this is the very upper limit. And in fact, I'll just say I would have rather seen a better movement in this watch.
Andrew They should have put a better movement in this watch, but if they did, then this isn't a $3,000 watch. This is a $4,000 watch.
Everett Yeah, I I don't know about that. Of course, we don't know. Reforged carbon. I don't know anything about their production costs, but I I don't I would be shocked if they couldn't have pulled off a 300-1. They're
Andrew capturing the carbon from the atmosphere
Everett in balloons. Like that's so
Andrew many balloons. I I'd like to know more about the actual uh recapturing methodology.
Everett Andrew, I don't want to dictate your next pick, but I think speaking of watches that
Andrew were very expensive and kind
Everett of took us aback, um, which I won't say that's true necessarily true of the Bangalore. Do you do uh
Everett do you mind using your selection on
Everett the Formex Aria? Uh
Andrew the Areola? Yeah, I'll talk about the Areola. The
Everett Formex Ariola.
Andrew So this watch has been uh we're recording late this week. Fuck off. Uh this watch has been a hot topic today for us. I don't I don't actually care about what what y'all are talking about in the watch world because me and Everett talk about what me and Everett and Daddy and our friend Mike who watch f who who writes for The Inquirer talks about. Um we're gonna talk about the Formex Aria. First impressions. I hate the name. Makes me think of an areola or the hotel in Las Vegas, which also makes me think of Areolas.
Everett What you want from me? You're you're a one trick pony, my friend. I I have
Andrew I have, but I I'm I'm a I yeah, I one track mind. Uh okay. There has been some hate slung, some distaste, some displeasure slung on this watch. And we're not gonna set the record straight here. Right? Because we also have some misgivings. But I think all of our misgivings are misplaced. So what we have here is an integrated sports watch from Formex, which shouldn't be a surprise, right? Formex is like.
Everett Did you have to check your notes? Yeah, I mean it seemed like
Everett you had to check your notes there to see. Fortis and
Andrew Formax for some reason uh uh flip flop in my mind so i i i they have the same amount of letters uh everything's the same about them except that the brands are entirely different but i'm not entirely sure which one is which. I know they're different from Formax. And this watch is so perfect For Max. Right, this is packed full of some of the coolest watch technology that you can push into a watch, and that is the Formex DNA. We have it let me get the spec sheet real quick. A forty millimeter case, grade 5 titanium, 30 meters of water resistance, 6.9 millimeters thick on a fully new developed micro rotor with a custom tungsten rotor which by the way is the the reason tungsten is a popular watchmaking material is because it has similar weight characteristics to titanium. Uh it's crazy light.
Everett Isn't tungsten super heavy? Keep
Andrew going. Uh is it? I you know that's what I
Everett had in my head, but keep keep going. It maybe could
Andrew be, but I I wore a tungsten wedding band until I went to s silicone and I wore it because it was crazy light and you could cut it
Andrew and and in the world that I worked in it
Andrew was kind of important to be able to break the thing that you know was trapping your finger. Um, and then they came out of silicone. Um it
Everett tungsten is exceptionally heavy. One
Everett of the densest naturally occurring elements
Everett on earth. Well, no, fuck me then.
Andrew I'm wrong. Measuring
Everett nineteen point two five grams
Everett per cubic centimeter. It is I I think
Andrew that's why they use it in micro rotors. Oh, so it swings better.
Everett Yes, that's right. That makes way better sense.
Andrew Everett, Google is smarter than me. You're not. Google is. Uh, but here's where we're at. Fortis form X has released this crazy thin, six nine thick with an in-house collaborative movement. It's not in-house like Formex didn't make it.
Everett It's a harage movement. It's an horaj
Andrew movement, but the made for x4 ma with a tungsten micro rotor that's Cosk certified at 6'9 thick, and it is crazy cool. Pausing for dramatic effect. The initial run is three colors hundred each you can pre-order for the next month or so. And then you get what you get. The three colors available are a brass dial with a matte lacquered finish in blue, green, or gray with applied markers that contain a rose gold plating custom tri-tech super luminova. These are also full titanium cases, full titanium bracelets, microdrust on the on the end links. Here is the I think what people are taking issue with. They're eight thousand United States money.
Andrew Fifty nine hundred Swiss francs.
Andrew Um I gotta say two things. Number one, these are pure formics. They smashed a ton of innovation into a movement, this like impossibly beautiful concaved brass lacquered dial. And then they put it in a Tissot case with Fotina. And I know they wanted to do rose gold, but it's just not. If they had done this in not rose gold, if they done this in white, this slaps and sells out the moment of release. Cause it's a small seconds three hand the the I don't know. I'm really conflicted about this. It has all the Fortis insides Fortis, all the formex insides and none of the formex outsides. And I I think I maybe share people's trouble with it, except that I also love it, because it feels really Formex in what they pushed into it. Uh it just doesn't feel Formex in what they presented it as. And you own a Formex, right? Like and I'm I'm willing to cede my time to you on your position of their design language for the case and bracelet, but this feels like Formex bought a Tissot case and bracelet and smashed all their cool shit into it instead of doing their cool shit also.
Everett Yeah, I I mean I I think this is a watch that uh should force everyone to kind of take a step back and to think about what's happening here. So what something that has always bothered me in watches. Something that's always bothered me in watches is the general reticence for a brand to jump up in terms of quality, right? Uh and
Everett we saw this i think with
Everett jack mason when the strat of timer first came out you you know i i think there was a lot of sort of kind of uh poo-pooing, head scratching and y you know, o of course now here we sit just a few years later and Jack Mason has has really kind of changed its its perception. That's not exactly what's happening here, right? Something something slightly different is happening. Because
Andrew we are not of the opinion, and I can speak for you, that suddenly Formex isn't becoming gonna become an eight thousand dollar brand.
Everett Well and and and I don't know maybe w
Everett you know i it's it's clear to me it's always
Everett been clear to me that formex was punching
Everett way above its asking prices. The the essence is a biz a somewhat bizarre but absurdly cool watch, right? And the quality of that watch, you know, I I've said it, I've said it a number of times for under 2,000 bucks, or I guess maybe just at 2,000 bucks now, you can't there are very few watches that are available that come
Everett even close to what that
Everett watch gives you in terms of quality. It's fantastically thin. It's it's
Everett got engineering, which maybe
Everett you do or don't need, right? The the spring,
Everett the the suspension, the mid-case
Everett suspension has always been uh uh uh
Everett maybe uh the butt of a joke,
Everett uh a little bit. I think it's cool, but I think a lot of people are like, why why do you need this? And so uh but what's always been clear to me is that Formex was Formex was the most capable, horologically capable, and obviously they're not doing movements, but in terms of the technology that they're packing into their watch, there's nothing like it at
Andrew Yeah. Okay, agreed. And
Everett so here we are at uh I I'm not sure I'm not sure I want to say natural evolution, but uh uh uh a certainly
Everett a rational evolution and and so that's the first thing I
Everett want to say now it is this
Andrew is this watch on paper
Everett worth what they're asking for. I think I have to say I think I have to say yes,
Everett Andrew. So a
Everett two point nine millimeter. A two point nine millimeter
Everett micro rotor movement is
Everett and of course this isn't being made by Formex, rather, it's being
Everett made by Horage for exclusively for Formex.
Andrew Fortis. That's fine.
Everett That's fine. This is a cool ass movement. And it allows them to make a seven millimeter, six point nine millimeter watch. Okay. That in and of itself, name another, name another 6.9mm
Everett sport watch. Just name another one. I can't,
Andrew not with a concave dial like this. It's made of brass and lacquered. Because this is the sexiest shit I've ever seen. The dial is
Everett wild. Uh the bracelet is
Andrew stunning. The concave dial. They if this was a they could have shaved this watch two millimeters.
Everett If this was a Moser, this is a $40,000
Andrew watch. Right. But it's
Andrew not a Moser, it's not a it's not an ALS, it's not those things, it's a brand that has been a strong competitor in the affordable world, and I don't know how, and this is maybe the issue: how do brands who have been competing in the two to five thousand dollar zone become legitimate north of that. I I I think
Everett the question you have to answer is is it is it okay for them to do this?
Andrew I I think this is an eight thousand dollar watch because it's three limited runs with blast brass lacquer dials. I think three months or less from now, we see this watch come out at five to six thousand dollars with a a whatever printed dial but without the brass and lacquer yeah may maybe i and and i don't know now the other the other thing
Everett the other thing that w we have
Andrew to consider in this is i
Everett if you buy a Moser, you're gonna retain a lot of value.
Andrew It you're not gonna retain value with this. You're not gonna this isn't gonna retain value. That's the that's the big problem with this watch. Is if you buy this, you are not you you're j this is like this is like a brand new Toyota Camry, right? Uh or or Yeah you lose maybe Land Rover
Andrew is a better land cruiser. Yeah
Everett well no Land Cruisers keep their value but, maybe a Land
Andrew Rover. You know, this is going to this is not going to appreciate
Everett certainly, and it's gonna heavily depreciate, which
Andrew that's that's the unfortunate reality when you're buying a smaller brand
Everett like this. They don't have the ass to hold the value.
Andrew Now, now the that's
Everett that's the first thing I want to talk about. Like,
Andrew is this an $8,000 watch? I don't know, but I don't think it's not. I think it probably is. Now, the the second
Everett thing is do I the RNG
Andrew alone like it? Do I ever like it? Um I
Everett I think thirty millimet thirty meters of water resistance isn't enough for this watch. Note one.
Andrew Paddock does it. Note two. Note two. I love the bracelet. I love the
Everett dial. Note three.
Andrew I fucking hate the orange
Everett loom. Why? It makes no sense.
Andrew The rose gold was the worst decision. I don't mind the rose gold. I don't mind the rose gold. I hate
Everett the orange loom. They did it to match the rose
Andrew gold. I hate it. I hate it. I hate the orange and rose gold. I hate them both. If they had done totally subjective.
Everett Totally subjective. I think it's stupid as
Andrew shit. If they had done white, we're not having the same conversation.
Everett I think that's maybe true. Yeah, I mean
Everett I mean if this is white loom, I'm like fuck yeah, this is
Everett why we're all like fuck yeah, this is eight thousand
Andrew dollar watch, nine thousand dollar watch. We're we are all hard on it and totally sold. I think the
Everett loom is absurd. The rose
Andrew gold and loom, the rose gold decision was a what was the failure of this watch. Because the rose not with you there. I the no no but but the rose gold led to the orange loom.
Andrew There's lots of watches that no rose
Everett gold and but the
Andrew rose gold led to the orange loom.
Everett I don't I don't know where you're getting the color match
Andrew this nonsense. I d I think that is a they did it to color match. I think we're
Everett making an assumption and I don't I don't I don't see that. I think you could have done rose gold and any other color of loom. Like what
Andrew I agree and they didn't because how many
Everett watches have used rose gold in the history of watches? Ten billion
Everett and wrong. They
Andrew did this to match the rose gold. Did
Everett you talk to Raphael about this? Hey, Raf,
Andrew call him. Call us right now. And and there's there's no shade being thrown, except there's a lot of shade being thrown. This was a miss. This was a miss. Uh everything else besides the loom color is bangin'. And I cannot wait. I I so hope they hold the concave dial for their full catalog release because this will inevitably be a catalog release. You you can't do something like this as like a one I don't
Everett I mean uh are they gonna sell these I don't know there's
Andrew 300 being made they're gonna they're they're sold already I'm sure
Everett I I would be shocked if they were sold already no
Andrew dude these are these are sold out uh
Andrew you can go to the website, but I'm I'm
Andrew cause these are all hot fire. It's just that we hate the color of the
Everett loom. I don't think we're I I mean
Everett I don't know. We're not alone in this, but we're
Andrew not the only people buying watches right neither are the people who take the time to comment on fan pages these watches are sold out because they are hot fire. We just disagree with the design uh language in that like baby poop yellowy orange. All three colors still available. They're not gonna be for long.
Everett Because the dials, if you if you can separate
Andrew the the loom plots and the hands from the dials, the colors are fantastic. We have this really beautiful, like deep ocean blue, a really great charcoal, and kind of an emeraldy green, all have small seconds that are really well executed. That really classic form X date at the 12 o'clock. This is kind of a perfect uh modernization of a nineteen sixties, nineteen seventies sport watch uh with a enormous misfire in color design for loom and hands.
Andrew Yeah, I can actually tell you what's available right now. So there
Andrew are 15 black available, which is more than I would have expected.
Everett Green. There are a lot. Green, there are at least eighty ninety. I can I can there are ninety-nine greens available.
Everett So one asshole got green.
Andrew Sorry if that's you. I like the green. It's kinda like emeraldy minty. I I I think I'd get the blue. And then
Everett I mean you know me, I'd be black top. At least fifty yeah once
Andrew you go black. They have not they have
Everett not sold out. Well
Everett yeah, it it's tough. I mean it's a big
Everett it's a big number, Andrew. It it is
Andrew and it it's a big number, period. It's a big number when we're talking about a brand that we're not accustomed to seeing that number associated with. But it's a Cosk movement that's custom let that's it's a it's a what do we call that a uh it's not a custom movement. It is custom, but it's a it's not in-house. A manufacturer caliber for Formax for this watch. The RD alone covers the price tag. Yeah. So when this goes to catalog, you can pay less. Maybe, yeah. Because this watch will go to catalog. It has to, right? This is this Formex doesn't do one and done's. Have you ever heard
Everett of collectibility, Andrew?
Andrew Like how collectible a thing is?
Everett No, no. So collectibility is a paddock
Everett Philippe vintage specialist uh
Everett founded by John Reardon. Also
Everett a paddock Philippe vintage specialist.
Andrew I do know John Rearden.
Everett Dennison um collaborated once before with
Everett collectibility and they've done
Everett so again with uh what they're calling the 2026 edition oblique
Everett collection. This brings
Everett designer Emmanuel Geeks interpretation of an asymmetric watch design, uh, recalling paddock time pieces
Everett from the past, uh, including paddock's ellipse models. Now Dennison
Everett is uh you
Everett know been a player, right?
Everett Dennison is in the right circles. They're making interesting watches. They've they're they're playing. I gotta be honest.
Andrew But they're kind of like double o sevening it. They're like in the shadows, but also like hitting hitting when it needs to be hit.
Everett Well, and you know, when we when we went to talk to the owner of Denison at Wind Up, he was like, I really just want
Everett the watches to speak for themselves. He like
Andrew refused refused. And we had like a number of people who were like, Let's get you let's get on the show and we're like, Okay, well, yeah, we'll we'll get there. Yeah.
Everett That's his choice. But s you know,
Everett r really was like, No, I really want I d I don't want to
Everett talk. I want the watches to talk. And I I can appreciate that. I can appreciate that. But also like, okay.
Everett Um yeah,
Everett so there are uh two different
Everett dial designs. They come in either stainless or gold PVD. The first is
Everett the oblique Enigma dial
Everett uh with a metal cutout
Everett and then either green or blue or
Everett green and blue uh
Everett two-tone dial and it you've got
Everett like sort of oblique diamonds
Everett offset at 90 degrees
Everett from one another. Uh this thing's
Everett wild, dude. I this is a really really beautiful watch.
Andrew It it feels very like jewelry manufacturers.
Andrew Totally. This this feels like super
Andrew Cartier, right? If if you put a cartier logo on this, uh no qualms, yeah, like no questions except even if you put like a Chanel or even like velour on there like I I accept carte but this this feels more uh more cartier really restrained design than other jewelry and high fashion house watch. The other is a sector dial,
Everett uh sector style
Everett dial. They're calling this the oblique
Everett vector dial uh
Everett this comes in either silver on steel or
Everett gold on gold pvd obviously um with the denison handset uh
Everett the case for all of these are 35
Everett by 336. Fuck, that's
Andrew a good size. Um Which
Everett is totally appropriate. And squares, right?
Everett So these are gonna work just a little bit bigger than you might expect based on those numbers. Um
Andrew But only just. Yeah,
Everett that's right. Really, really thin
Everett on these. I think they are six
Andrew point zero five millimeters. Still 30 meters.
Everett Swiss Ronda Quartz. Yeah, but this is a 30 meter watch, right? Uh
Everett Swiss Rhonda Quartz, the I
Andrew think it's the 1062. I can't remember what movement it
Everett is. Uh anyway,
Andrew 1062. 790 bucks
Everett on these. Yes, that's the real
Andrew win. Is you're getting like a tank uh
Everett super tank. A tank level
Andrew design right like jewelry design house designed watch at under a thousand bucks this is phenomenal.
Everett And Dennison's hot right now.
Andrew They so so hot right now. So
Everett hot right now. I'm glad.
Everett I'm glad you got there. Oh, I got there.
Andrew Immediately. Uh it was the blue. It was the blue steel uh dial that got me there. Yes. Uh there this feels like very inspired by the crash. It feels very inspired by the tank. Feels very inspired by 70s TV dials, but wholly unique. And they hit it out of the park.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. I I think so too. I I think so too. Andrew, what's next?
Andrew Oh. I don't talk about something boring.
Everett Do it. We've been talking about exciting. I think this I
Everett I think I'm gonna say this is maybe our last watch for the night. Unless you think we
Andrew don't want to talk about that. Okay, we'll talk about something
Andrew that you want to talk about. Can we talk about the Arkhan
Andrew then? Sure. The Alterum Sage Grey?
Everett Yeah. So I
Andrew love Ken. Ken is I
Everett think maybe our favorite watch watch person.
Andrew I I I had to restrain myself from kissing Ken on the mouth when I'm when I finally got to meet him. Uh
Everett Are you gonna say anything about this watch or are you just gonna look at it? I feel like you're just like
Everett mesmerized. I was just thinking
Andrew about you know kissing Ken. Yeah, kissing Ken. Man, we could have a TLC show. Hey, Ken, hit us up.
Everett So uh so
Andrew Arkin, for those of you unfamiliar, is uh owned and operated by our friend Ken.
Everett Ken Lamb? Ken Lamb.
Andrew He's got a great accent. He does. And he makes Maybe the most fantastic, futuristic, but simultaneous simultaneously modern tool watches in the affordable space.
Everett Okay. I was getting ready to object. I I had objection.
Andrew Right? Yeah, but no. In in the affordable space. I would draw my he has he has a couple of watches and what we have is his Altarum, which is a twin stick super cool watch in Sage Gray. Um so for those of you unfamiliar, it's a 38 millimeter watch. It's 46 lug to lug, 13 millimeters thick. So I will say
Everett this is a twin stick.
Andrew There's two things sticking out of it.
Everett Okay, fine, fine, fine, fine. I accept. Keep going. Okay.
Andrew It's 13 millimeters thick. It's grade 2 titanium. 200 meters w ofater resistance. He he runs a Mioda 9015 in it. Like this is just I love everything Ken does. Wanna kiss him? Sorry. So
Everett this is this is Arkin's first widely
Andrew available variation on
Everett any watch since 2023.
Everett Although Arkin is really good. Ken is really good about bringing new watches to market, but releasing them in
Everett what I think he calls speakeasy editions, which are generally only available to small groups.
Andrew Careful, you might be spilling a secret.
Everett Oh, I I don't think this is exactly
Andrew a secret, but generally speaking, there are
Everett watches that you can purchase from
Everett Arkin if you happen to run into
Everett Ken. If you do run into
Andrew Ken at an event or in the wild, there are some special limited editions and
Everett he has told us that like people have approached
Everett him before and was like, Hey Ken,
Everett do you have any speakeasy? And
Everett he's like, Yeah, uh this is an odd place for it, but
Andrew yeah, we do. Uh I did. And he uh he declined.
Everett Uh so the Sage Gray is this
Everett first sort of generally widely available
Everett release since 2023? And uh
Everett it's terrific. It is a terrific color. Uh the the Alterium is
Everett actually an interesting sort of dual
Everett time watch and that second pusher operates that dual time. So them so it's a custom developed
Everett module that sits on top of the 9015 and
Everett and the module holds the dual time hand in place
Everett when the time is adjusted backwards counterclockwise.
Everett So while the uh yeah, it it works. It works.
Everett It's adjustment. It's hard to explain, but it works.
Andrew Because exactly none of you when you go to set your watch in the morning know which way to twist it to set the date.
Everett Yeah. Everyone sets
Andrew it the wrong way. You're like, ah fuck. Yeah. Good
Everett thing I need to cycle it eight days.
Andrew Uh so uh you know this
Everett is not a this isn't a wild
Everett release. This is just an ulterior with a new dial,
Everett but that's cool. That's cool. And w we've been big fans of this watch since it came out. Uh actually I think initially we were like,
Everett I don't know. And then I think it's grown on both of us.
Everett These are 630 euro. I'm I think that works out to
Andrew 700 bucks. Something like that. 700,
Everett 750 bucks. Um these are just
Andrew great. Yeah. I and I I love Ken. You should love Ken. He'll love you if you uh interact with him and he'll take good care of you.
Everett Yeah. I I think he's I think he is that's a that's a good point. He is a really really focused brand owner and I think he probably knows the people that owns his watch that own his
Everett watches uh in in a really in a really genuine way.
Everett He's just a genuine fellow and uh so happy that
Everett he's he uh so happy he's been successful and I love this release.
Andrew Andrew, I am ready to be done
Everett talking about watches. Do you want to talk about other things briefly?
Andrew I do. So for my birthday, you you all may or may not know this about me, but I love a weighted blanket.
Everett I didn't even know that about you. I tried
Andrew one once and I was like, well, I'll never sleep properly again without this. Uh so I have slept with like under a weighted blanket for years, but my big complaint is that all that extra weight makes me extra hot. For my birthday, a couple months ago, uh I got a weighted blanket from a company called Luxome L-U-X-O-M-E. And it is a specifically designed cooling weighted blanket. So you can enjoy the sensation of a weighted blanket and of a cooling fan all at once. It is magnificent. I like so we just started a turn toward like warm in In the evenings and overnight, like such that the air conditioning runs at night. Oh my gosh. It is exactly the thing. For those of you who like to sleep in the cold but feel cozy all at once, this is it. This is the one. Uh I have the uh
Andrew Oh, I actually don't know how much it weighs.
Everett What are the deeds on this? How much, how much, how much money are we talking about?
Andrew Because blankets, I I always find blankets,
Everett especially comforters, to range from, oh
Andrew yeah, that's good pickup to holy cow,
Everett how does anybody afford these? It's two hundred
Andrew dollars. Okay, well that's not I mean that's
Everett not outrageous for a king size. Uh for
Andrew a queen. Okay. It's two hundred dollars. Uh this is the
Everett so it means the king is three hundred ish.
Andrew Oh no. So the it w it was uh it was two hundred and eighty dollars.
Everett Okay. So that's uh I I mean that's it's not an
Andrew insignificant investment. Yeah. But it is a game changer in the way of sleep. I've never felt cool reflected back onto me by a blanket. It's like the exact opposite of how a blanket should work. But then like just like slowly your body heat kind of heats the air and it just like evaporates it off. It's like wearing uh a a dry fit shirt. Like, oh I'm
Andrew that's I'm kind of cold. Oh
Andrew now I'm crazy comfortable. Right. Right. Yes. Uh it's fantastic. It's I think my favorite thing that I own.
Andrew Nice. Yes.
Andrew So Luxome uh weighted blanket, it is terrific. It's the right weight, it cools you down, and you get the weighted blanket experience which is my thing.
Everett That's good that's a good other thing. Thank
Andrew you. Uh I've got a weird other thing this week, unusual. Because I think it is, I think this is properly categorized as a hack. Okay. As a hack. I've got a hack. So have you heard of a company called Snap-on, Andrew? I am familiar. They have franchises. Franchises. Do you know
Everett anything about Snap-on tools?
Andrew Uh I know they they they pride themselves on being a gold standard, though I expect that they are not.
Everett Well, oh okay, so that that's interesting you
Everett say that because I think they are the gold standard. I so for especially for American United States based auto mechanics, snap on are the gold standard. And that's true for a couple of reasons. So one, they're
Everett one of the very few companies that
Everett is uh in that space that is very, very dedicated to United States manufacture. And there are a few other
Everett companies that that do still
Everett maintain United States manufacture, but it is the quality is struggling to keep up with Taiwan, for instance. Really, you've got two big players in um it well, you've actually you've it's just Taiwan. Everything
Everett if you buy a set of sockets today
Everett and they're not junk, they're probably from Taiwan. Now, Germany makes sockets, Japan makes sockets, the US makes sockets, but they are niche, right? And and they're and they tend to be they tend to be more expensive. So but if you buy, if you want to get some sockets and you go to any big box or or really, you know, Napa or whatever, you buy Carlisle, it doesn't matter what you buy, you're getting a Taiwanese made socket. And they're really good. Taiwanese made sockets, ratchets, etc., are fantastic, phenomenal, really, really good. Anything from 72 to 120 teeth, you know, you've got just great in the ratchets, you've got great products coming, but Snap-on
Everett has resisted going
Everett overseas and they still manufacture things locally. Now, the other thing that Snap-on really
Everett prides itself on is that
Everett they have a great warranty, lifetime warranty, and they come to mechanics. So if you are a professional mechanic at a shop, more
Everett likely than not, there is going to be a truck
Everett that visits you any between you know once a week and once a month, and they're gonna say, Hey, what do you need? Now,
Everett they're also known for having
Everett outrageously expensive products. And what I mean is in the range of four to six X, the comparable Taiwanese product. So Snap-on is the gold standard. They are almost inarguably the best at making sockets, ratchets, and many of the tools they make, but the premium that you pay is maybe not proportionate to uh to the value. To the value, right? The value is low unless you're in a world where you need to have that truck service. Right?
Andrew Yeah. Like oh, once a week he
Everett comes and he re and he warranties out all my broken parts. Right. That's where the real value for Snap-on lies. Now, I I'm not that guy, right? I don't have an auto shop and I don't, I don't even know who the snap on dealer is local. But I've got that thing where I'm like
Andrew I do. I know his phone number. I drove by his truck today.
Everett Let's talk after. Uh but I
Andrew don't remember it. Um, number. He's out of Portland.
Everett I um I found a hack. So do you know what the company cat is? Like Caterpillar? Yeah. Cat makes heavy equipment, right? Uh and and cat is a a place that really caters to professionals, right? So they make heavy equipment and they service heavy equipment users. And they do so directly. And and cat is not something you don't you can't go to Lowe's and buy cat products, you can't go to you know the the local hardware store cat is franchise or or is is local franchise shop run and you've got to have an account with cat to buy cat products. I found
Everett out that cat gets
Everett hand tools. Specifically, they get hand tools that are meant to service their equipment,
Everett that they sell to their accounts,
Everett and pretty much to no one else. Cat buys products through
Everett Snap-on. So there
Everett is a range of hand tool products, in particular, sockets and a few other tools that you can buy directly from cat and they are rebranded sockets and they're rebranded snap on sockets. So if you buy cat branded sockets, you are getting a snap-on
Everett socket. Cat caterpillar, the yellow and
Everett black arch yes caterpillar.
Everett If you buy cat sockets, you are getting
Everett rebranded snap-on sockets. And I'm
Everett not talking about like I'm not talking
Everett about like old equipment or whatever. They are just modern
Andrew just white label shit. Flank drive
Everett hex sockets from white label with all the same markings, except the snap-ons removed and cats in its place. These things come in at anywhere from 20 to 25% of the snap-on cost. So I found out that this happened. And so I went to the cat tools dealer. And you can't do anything on that
Everett website unless you have an account. So what I
Everett do, I made an account. Uh, and I have a business and it wants to know what your business is, so I
Everett put in my law firm. I put in
Everett my law firm's information. As I'm fiddling around on the website, I'm sitting at work, uh my receptionist buzzes me and she says, Hi, Everett, uh, I've got Jerry from Kat on the line and he's talking he wants to talk to you about the account you just
Everett set up that's fast so this guy
Everett calls me almost immediately and he's like hey uh I know we have some equipment in
Everett that building are you servicing the HVAC units.
Everett I said, Jerry, no, I'm a lawyer and I made an account because I
Everett want to buy some of your sockets. And he said,
Everett oh, that's totally fine. I just wanted to check in with you. I'll set you up with your account. We're not going to run a
Everett credit line or anything, but let me
Everett know if you have any questions. I purchased a socket set for $70 today. I
Everett purchased a quarter-inch socket
Everett set from Caterpillar, they are Spna-on sockets and the comparable product from Snap-on is $389. I spent $73, I think it was $73 on a $390 socket set. And they will be here in two weeks. And I'll go to the cat dealer and pick them up. And I'm overjoyed. I love shit like this. I bought a socket set, a snap-on socket set for $70 bucks today.
Everett Just by making a cat catiller
Everett account. So that's a hack. If you're into doing wrenching or whatever and you want
Andrew to shit. And you want
Everett a if you know you know type of product. You don't have to believe me. There's lots of YouTube videos about this. Uh, but very much an if you know, you know, type of hack. And uh I was so proud of myself and I'm just tickled to have and you know, when I first so let me just say the website is possibly I'm
Andrew I'm having trouble navigating the
Everett worst website on earth. So if you're gonna do this, you're gonna have to do some work,
Andrew right? You're gonna have to do some work.
Everett Now, can I just tell you the amount of time I spent
Everett trying to figure this out at my hourly rate? I could have bought three sets of the snap ons. Uh
Andrew but you saved all that money.
Everett But I did save all that money. So And
Andrew you don't have to explain it to anyone.
Everett It's really fun. And and frankly,
Andrew plenty of unbillable hours. I'll just be I'll
Everett just I need you to send me some kind of
Andrew like closer link. Just
Everett link to the cat tools website and and and and leave le itave it at that because it it's a whole
Andrew thing. Godspeed, gentlemen. If
Everett you are someone that is interested in this, you're gonna have to do some work.
Everett You're gonna have to do some work. But I'm just overjoyed at my
Everett purchase and I'll I'll report back in two to three weeks when
Everett I get these things. And uh but I'm over
Andrew every time I Google cat tools and click on the first link, it it links me to a different tool.
Everett It's the worst website on earth. It
Andrew was previously a ratchet. Now it's a universal socket
Everett set. You can find a PDF. Is that the $270 Universal Socket set? Don't buy that one. That's a bad value. Uh you can find
Andrew maybe there's no price. You can find a printed
Everett catalog. Oh, because you're not logged in and you
Everett don't have an account, so you can't get pricing.
Andrew That's why, Andrew, you have to have
Everett an account to get pricing. So it
Everett is it is not an easy process. Let me just prepare you. If you're gonna do this, be prepared to not have fun with the it's a pain in the dick. But I figured it out, I navigated it, and I have snap-on sockets branded cat on the way to me right now. You can do it.
Everett And it's super fun.
Andrew I'm just sending you a link to the cat tools. That's the most recent link that I got.
Everett If you're listening to this and you want to do it, you're
Andrew gonna have to work. You're gonna have to earn it.
Everett You're gonna have to earn it. That's right.
Everett Yeah. But it is a hack and it's available and you can do it if you want. You just have to work.
Andrew Earn it. Andrew, anything you
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