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Watches and Wonders Leftovers (390)

Published on Tue, 21 Apr 2026 23:07:07 -0700

Synopsis

In this episode of the 40 and 20 Watch Clicker podcast, hosts Andrew and Everett discuss recent watch releases in the post-Watches and Wonders period. They cover several notable pieces including the Formex Reef in forged carbon, Rolex's new Day-Date in Jubilee Gold (a proprietary gold alloy), and the Hamilton Khaki Field Mechanical celebrating America's 250th anniversary. The hosts also examine IWC's experimental Aventurer Vertical Drive space watch, the Engineer Perpetual Calendar in titanium, and the full-lume Big Pilot. Other highlights include the Alpina Star Timer Pilot, Nomos Neomatic World Timer in white, and Cartier's updated Roadster.

Throughout the discussion, Andrew and Everett debate design choices, pricing, and practicality of various releases. They particularly appreciate Hamilton's restrained approach to the anniversary edition and are impressed by Rolex's Jubilee Gold, which they consider a near-perfect gold alloy. The conversation reveals their preference for watches that balance innovation with wearability, while critiquing pieces that prioritize novelty over function. The episode concludes with personal updates, including Everett's unexpected immersion in Farming Simulator 22 and Andrew's mixed feelings about the second season of the Netflix series "Beef."

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Speaker
Andrew Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to 40 and 20, the WatchClicker podcast with your hosts Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, how are you?
Everett Uh I'm doing really good. Thank you for asking. Andrew, you know my other podcast, I don't have that clean I don't have a
Unknown clean musical cue,
Everett right? It's more of just like a like I start potting the music out at a certain point, but it's not like here, it's like a specific beat. I'm like, and there, and then you start, and it's like we never discussed it.
Andrew It just happened so organically. And we are, you know, eight years into this. So I should hope that you have it down at least better than you have the outro.
Everett In fairness, the outro is the one part of this that does that has changed. It theoretically doesn't change once.
Unknown I mean, maybe twice. Yeah, yeah.
Everett It's it's fluid. But the intro is like there's like a beat and then I drop it and then you come in and
Andrew sultry soulful voice. We
Everett never planned it. There was no there was no communication. about it It just was like, this is how we do the intro.
Andrew Yeah. I love that. I love that. I don't
Everett know Captain Consistency. You know that
Andrew about me. I don't have that with my other podcasts.
Everett And not because you don't have a captain consistency. I don't. In fact, I do the intro. So Tom comes in, but it's after we've already potted it out and everything. So it's uh it's kind of all me and I'm doing like I'm rubbing my belly and patting my head a little bit. Uh is it patting your belly and rubbing your head? Which one is it?
Andrew Rubbing your belly, patting your head. Yeah, so there's
Everett a little bit of that. There's been multiple shows where I'm like, I'm like, okay, scrap that. Let's start again. We'll start again. Uh you know, because there's just a little bit. Uh I should probably I should probably practice a little bit.
Andrew I mean, part of it like we you haven't had just as many reps. Like think about how many, how many of our our first fifty episodes were the second or third try. Yeah. Right? Like w we we re-recorded
Everett probably a dozen shows, half a dozen at most. Easily
Andrew more than that. Or we would finish and and be like I I didn't hit record. Well
Everett Well and you know so again some of those lessons translate but you know uh other parts of it like you you know do,ing the intro, like it's it's a total and and and furthermore, we're a monthly, the the other podcast is monthly, right? So it's two years I've done twenty four episodes. We were already a hundred episodes in at the same stage. You know, forty and twenty was already a hundred episodes in at that stage. So I'm just doing there's fewer, fewer reps like you said. So but yeah, I've never gotten that comfort. And uh it just makes me feel like this is a very comfortable
Andrew I hear it. I know. I like I could do I could do it with my eyes closed. I could crack the beer. If if you weren't like if you were just playing the audio in your headset, I would know when to come
Everett in. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It it no, that's I believe that actually. Uh and there are a few little things, you know, like like you know, sometimes I'll like miss an unmute or I'll I'll accidentally press a solo or something, but um like even like m my timing on the unmute is like it's just like yep, boom, boom, boom.
Andrew That's what happens when you do something every week for years.
Everett Uh it is uh it is a little bit of a like a multi-step process that never changes. So that does help. I mean it hasn't intro has not changed, right?
Andrew Um just when we Oh
Everett when we changed to watch clicker. Yeah. Well, uh in any event, we're not here to talk about intros, uh podcast intros, although
Andrew this is the intro of the podcast. This is the
Everett meta there. Um rather we're
Unknown here to talk about watches and we kind of
Everett have this is a fun week for me. This is a fun week because we have a little bit of and by that I mean sort of post like major watch event week because we have a little bit of like trickly new stuff, but this is the week where we've kind of like everybody's like taken a beat after Watches and Wonders and we're able to sort of sit back and kind of reassess like, okay, what the fuck just happened. What just happened? And then and then from there um like really digest the information and say, okay, with everything that did happen, this is what I think was really cool. And I not not that to say that we did a bad job with that last week, but it's it last week felt harder, right? It's a more hectic. And I was like, well, it
Andrew was a fire hose. I I don't have I'm not gonna be
Everett able to talk it. That's kind of interesting, but I'm not here we are now where not enough new stuff happened that like I can't talk about anything else, but we now we get over kind of revisit and be like, all right, this happened and this was pretty cool. And and here I am 10 days later, and I I chewed on this and I can kind of appreciate it more.
Andrew This is my favorite time of year, right on the hill on the heels of Watches and Wonders, because now like all the hype stuff is out and now all the like planned kind of trajectory releases start coming out. Interesting. You know, you get this big explosion of cool, hypey stuff at Watches and Wonders. And that kind of sets off and
Everett novelties. Yeah. And that sets the spark
Andrew for the rest of the year's big releases in spring and moving into summer. And I think a lot of brands probably hold their planned releases uh for after watches and wonders so they don't get lost in the the craze of it um
Everett well do you Andrew, do you uh I I know it's sort of out of order, but do you feel like this week you wouldn't uh wouldn't mind starting us off?
Andrew Oh I am unprepared for that. And I am gonna say I I want a big caveat. Um this week, either Chrome didn't update or iOS didn't update. I can't organize my tabs like I usually do. Um and I'm like I'm I'm really bothered by that because I'm not really good at change.
Everett Don't cry for me, Argentina. Um
Andrew I'm just I'm not I'm not good with that. So my process has changed. So please do forgive me. I'm out of sorts. I want to start with the Formex Reef release that we're seeing. 39.5mm case, cost certified in forged carbon. Um, and and I was looking at this and I was kinda like, okay, well, why is this exciting? Um number one, well, it's exciting because it's it's a forged carbon case. And we talk a lot on the show about um metallurgy and um metalworking and
Everett we talk about talking about metallurgy
Andrew yes so what when i i was like, how do you how does one forge carbon? Because that that actually that doesn't really make sense to me. Uh I understand how metal is forged. Um but forging carbon just kind it it didn't so I I went down a little bit of a rabbit hole in this forging of carbon. And it's a it's actually exactly what you'd think it is. Um but I just wanted to know. Uh but it's a it's a cool process where they take like like scraps of carbon, basically, and rather than it being woven together, they heat it and press it and they they forge it in the same way that you would forge metal. But it's carbon chunks. And
Everett this is Yeah, in in sort of to contrast with I think the traditional the traditional sort of m method for carbon fiber is to take carbon sheets and to laminate them with epoxy or some sort of binder.
Andrew Well, and then you so you're still using some kind of resin or epoxy or binder. But
Everett instead of sheets. Instead of sheets, you're just you've
Andrew got like shit uh packed together and then stuffed with glue. So imagine like a bird's nest that you then just compress into uh what is now forged carbon, which looks super cool. Uh and it it's very on brand for Formex who I do
Everett I like the I like the way of forged carbon. I like the texture. It feels organic. I like it better than uh than a traditional carbon fiber
Andrew uh me too but and and i think in the application of a watch i it it's it's just a better use of material than a than a standard
Everett woven sheeted carbon fiber.
Andrew And and knife scales too. I love I
Everett love forged carbon knife scales. Yes.
Andrew Yes. Cause it feels really good. It's like got really good tactile it it's a thing. But this is a really good I I I'm I love Formex using this material in this application because the reef is already such a cool, tooly, kind of futury, gnarly watch that to use this forged carbon is is sort of sort of perfect for it. Uh and I'm really glad to see this on the heels of Watches and Wonders. These are coming in at um Ooh, price on it here, uh about two thousand, like in the zone, uh twenty two hundred thirty bucks on a bracelet, uh two thousand on a strap. And it's it's the reef. Like this is a watch that we know, but it's now coming in forged carbon, which I think is it's it's very formics.
Everett Yeah, i yeah, no, I I think I'm I think that it
Unknown would be easy to overdo
Everett this. I'm glad that they stuck with the bezel and the dial and they didn't try to like yeah. I uh this is a watch that I feel like I should love that I don't love the reef in general, not this specific model. Um because it is doing all of the things that I want to watch to do. It's super thin.
Andrew So so to be clear, it's not the case that's forged carbon. It's just it's it's the inserts, it's the dial and the bezel insert. The case is still 316.
Everett That that's right. Um, but it's a super thin dive watch. It's got a ton of water resistance, it's cost. I I mean this is a really i and and of course Formex uh always has a a little genesequa here. It's the sort of interchangeable bezel system that they have. Um it it's rad, but for whatever reason, this watch I it's not my favorite. With that said, I think this is my favorite version of this watch that's perhaps not my favorite watch.
Andrew Yeah, I I think I think we I have a I have a I know you own a form X and
Everett yeah, I own the SN39, which is like actually one of my most prized watches. I'm
Andrew I've yet to come across a Formix that's for me, but I still love all of their watches.
Everett They do they do such a great job. Yeah. R I mean build quality is you know we were talking the other day about Monta and how they just crush this space. Uh I think Formex is is is right there. They obviously I might have said this exact this exact thought last week, but build quality, they it's really hard to beat at 2,000 bucks.
Andrew They're just doing a really different thing, right? We're we're talking like muscle car versus sports car.
Everett Yeah, that that's right. That's right. It it they they are all together more like engineer and more
Andrew blahutally rock crawlers versus you know something
Everett else. Uh I'm gonna start with
Unknown a uh I'm gonna start with a Rolex, and this is one of those watches I mentioned last week that was like, you know, I'd kind of like to, but I'm not going to. Um and and and Rolex, of course Rolex of course had a lot to say. Uh w
Everett watches and wonders. But
Unknown this is for me the coolest thing
Everett they said. Specifically, this is
Unknown the new Rolex Oyster Perpetual Day Date
Everett in forty millimeters coming
Unknown in Rolex's new precious alloy, which is called Jubilee Gold. Uh uh let's get the
Andrew so i is uh we really need to know more about metallurgy. Like are they are they making a proprietary gold? It is, it's a
Everett proprietary. That's right. So
Unknown Jubilee gold is is the the the showcase. Am I saying that right? Jubilee
Everett Gold is the thing they're showing off here. Um
Unknown and and I think that they've done it really well. Kind of an
Everett interesting choice, I think,
Unknown the for you know to introduce
Everett a new alloy. It's one of their older models. Uh the
Unknown day date has been in production
Everett for uh gosh,
Unknown since the 50s, I think, or maybe the 60s. Always been
Everett made, always part of the catalog. It's sort of like a ho
Unknown hum. A couple of interesting things though.
Andrew I mean I love it so much. That fluted bezel is just like it would just be constantly filled with drool.
Unknown Something I didn't know is the day date has never been made in steel. It's always been in precious uh
Everett metals. So which I I was unaware of. But aka
Unknown the president. This is a
Andrew that seems wrong, but that's a
Everett too bold a claim to make to be false.
Unknown That's right. And and for the record, that is Rebecca Dalton Dalton Dalton at Monochrome who's made that claim. And I tend to believe
Everett her. It's too bold to be false.
Unknown Julie Gold is interesting. I really like it. So it is not rose. It's a something in between white, yellow,
Everett and rose gold. I would say clo like
Unknown if if there's a triangle, this is close to the white and gold
Everett spectrum, and then it's got just a little bit of rose.
Andrew Little just a just a touch of like bricky.
Everett It winds up being, I think,
Unknown maybe gosh, I hate to say this. I think for me this might be a platonic ideal
Everett of gold alloys. I'm not
Andrew you might be right. I'm not a huge
Everett fan of white gold. And
Unknown and for vain for a vain reason, I'll just say if
Everett I'm wearing gold, I I think I want people to know I'm wearing gold.
Andrew Yeah. Um with that
Unknown said, yellow, especially especially Rolex's
Everett yellow gold, can be a bit garish.
Andrew It almost it almost looks cheap. Right? It look it it tends toward like PvD Nixon bright yellow, almost cheap gold.
Everett Especially when it's new. Yeah. Once a yellow gold watch, I think gets worn, I like it better. But a new yellow gold watch, I'm like um
Unknown and and then rose gold for me is
Everett is maybe not my thing i i don't i i don't love a true rose gold
Unknown and so with this i'm like oh oh
Everett Oh. Oh.
Andrew They've they've like worn the gold and softened it.
Unknown Yeah. They they've worn the sheen
Andrew off. And it looks like you would imagine yellow gold ought to look on a watch.
Everett That's right. It's got it's got a warmth to it that I think,
Unknown you know, you'll see this comes from that rosiness. This you see
Everett this with sterling silver where it's got like a richness to it. I actually really, really like this gold. And this is a um this is a really cool dial on this thing. It's a green adventuring stone dial, and it's got this depth it's got like a bit of depth to it baggett
Unknown markers on this um with a
Everett with a big marker at nine big marker at six of course we don't have
Unknown a 12 because we've got a day,
Everett and we don't have a three we,'ve got a date, a magnified date. Um, golly, Andrew.
Unknown I think this is a really, a really
Everett lovely release, and the green
Unknown uh surprises me. It surprises me not because it's
Everett a surprising release. It surprises me that I would like I was like, well, well,
Unknown you know that that uh that gif
Everett JIF GIF? of the lady who's tasted something and she's like, no, and then like, uh no. That's kind of I've decided I really like this watch.
Andrew It's the same green as Flubber. The the Robin Williams movie, right? It's an unusual green. Like it would it would be kind of like a not groundbreaking. It would be an outlandish green for another brand, but to come from Rolex in this green, it is especially outside of the it feels really outside of the the norm for me.
Everett Old and also new and I I like this watch. No, I will say this is a sixty-two thousand dollar watch.
Andrew But you know what? This is this is the sample, right? This is the this is the taste, the tease, because they are gonna this Jubilee gold is gonna start hitting the shelves and other skews without diamond baguette markers and we'll see these at like obtaining prices uh or you know not this one because it's got 14 carats of diamond on the dial. Yeah. But we'll see this. Spread of this Jubilee gold. Because it like we've talked about gold watches, and I'm always like, ah, this really isn't for me. We've seen I've seen some two-tones, and I'm like, mm-hmm this is this is what does it, but this not yellow gold, like not 70s banker, 80s banker on too big of a bracelet. Gold is this is my shit right here.
Everett You know, I'm on record saying my my only the only watch that I would consider a walk away watch is a Moonshine Gold Speedy. And um,
Unknown you know, I think that those retail at
Everett about 50 grand and and then you know
Unknown you can get them for less than that, right? You
Everett you can get a moonshine speedy for anywhere from thirty-five to forty five ish. You
Andrew shouldn't get hit by a a richer person's car.
Everett But that's a speedmaster, right? This is a this is a day day. I I
Unknown don't know. It it's got diamonds. I I don't know. Is the value
Everett there? Yeah, of course the value's there. I I and and I'm not gonna
Andrew I'm just purely a material cost of values there.
Everett With that said, I I s I was I was a little bit I did have a little bit of sticker shock.
Andrew Ah you know, I I was I was actually kind of surprised. I I felt like it was on the low end of what they could charge for an off-catalog.
Unknown Oh, interesting. Um for
Andrew an off-catalog, new metal, bunch of diamond, a venturine. It kinda it has all the trappings of being a a Rolex hundred thousand dollar sticker.
Everett Oh well that's yeah I I mean I I don't think they uh this couldn't be a hundred thousand but sixty yeah
Unknown um no now dayda Dyate comes in both thirty-six,
Everett which is sort of the traditional the iconic size, uh where
Unknown forty is m the more modern size. This is only being released in
Everett forty. I'm fine with that. It's it's a it's Rolex. I I think there was also a
Unknown 41 that was in existence
Everett for a while, but but really day dates 36 or 40. This is just in 40. Uh sure. I'm okay with that, I think.
Andrew I'm I'm pleased with this release.
Everett Yeah, it's it's a cool release. It's uh it's Rolex, right? It's hard to get it too like excited about Rolex, but so
Andrew many Rolex releases are like just boring. And
Everett I'm excited about this one. I'm I'm
Andrew I like seeing a new proprietary medal and I'm excited to see what else gets this Jubilee treatment. Yeah,
Everett the Jubilee Gold. It's a it's a really cool. This is maybe my favorite gold alloy that's in existence right
Andrew now. It yeah. I I I prefer it to moonshine. I prefer it to um yeah.
Everett It it it feels like it kind of does a similar thing to moonshine. Um, but it does it better.
Andrew Mm-hmm. I think it does it better. At least at least in these product photos, you know, I I guess I'll have to see one of y'all go buy one of these and just send it to us for a couple days for probably.
Everett Uh gosh, I I'm so
Andrew like Out of sorts by not being able to sort my tabs. Um Okay. Alpina, Star Timer Pilot. Uh, we have a new and updated model of this 15-year-old piloty field watch and I really like it. I think it's all of the things that I want out of a field watch or kind of like that pilot fieldy-esque military style watch. So we have a 40 millimeter case. It's 10.14 thick, 100 meters of water resistance. Uh movement on here is oh, shoot, I had that. Uh Ligue Pure SW2 So it's an Alpine Alpina uh
Everett what's happening? I'm just laughing at you talking about peans. No, I always be talking
Andrew about pains. Uh it's the AL525. Uh so it's a in in-house modified movement. It comes in how many hang on? Three colorways: a black, a blue, and a green, and they're all really good. The black is exactly what you want. Really stark, bright, loom-filled, chunky numeral markers. Uh the blue comes with uh kind of a Fotina tan markers. And I'm I'm here for it. I like this. Uh it's not exciting. It's not breathtaking, but it's just a really good release. It's 1800 bucks in steel, 1900 bucks PvD coated, it's not limited edition.
Everett And I'm I have
Andrew no notes. This is exactly what I want.
Everett Yeah, I mean I'm a huge fan of the
Unknown IWC Mark 20.
Everett And I think that that's obviously the closest sort of luxury comp for this watch. You know, they're And the Mark 20 is eight grand.
Unknown Seven. Yeah.
Andrew Yeah. Yeah. $6,500 to $7,000.
Everett Yeah. Um that but you know, uh uh right, looking at these watches, very similar watches. We've got date positions slightly different,
Unknown but Alpina's doing uh, you know,
Everett and and sizes are are basically identical now with this upgraded case so this new case is 40 millimeters which is smaller and they
Andrew were previously like 41 and some
Everett and 10-1 thick, which I think is like almost a millimeter off of the pri previous thickness. So we've got a much more competitive package. And for me, uh,
Unknown who's a size queen in that
Everett regard, this is a great improvement. We've gone from a case that was totally schmedium on paper to a case that is really competitive on paper. I say on paper because I I don't have any personal experience with these watches. Um
Unknown with that said, no bracelet option,
Everett which wah wah yeah,
Andrew and at $2,000 I kinda would like to see there be a bracelet option, even if it pushes it to $2300.
Everett That's right. And of course, I I'm not I'm not an expert on a pedo. I feel like every time we talk about Alpino, it's like I I don't understand. Like this brand is like really escaped my knowledge. Um, I I think that they're a cool brand, I think they've got cool history. I'm gonna say I think that they're competing with
Unknown the Mark 20 with this release. Well IWC
Everett is a is a bracelet company, right? That's IWC does fucking bracelets. And so to make a watch to compete with the IWC bracelet watch, uh it's like hey Alpina, could we get a bracelet for this thing? With that said, great upgrades. And some people don't care about bracelets. In fact, some people don't even want a bracelet. Uh great. I do love the big is it globalite uh markers?
Andrew Yes. I don't I'm
Everett not wild about the dial texture. I
Andrew yeah, but you know what? Dial texture is here to stay. You
Everett said it seems like everyone's doing it. You said no notes. That's a note for
Unknown you. I accept. Case finishing looks
Everett stunning. Yes, it does. Case
Unknown finishing looks stunning. And this the shape of
Everett this case is great. The way the lugs
Unknown curve down and sort
Everett of like create a little wedge at the end. I think it looks stunning. Really, really good execution there. This is a very well-built watch. I want them to make a bracelet just because I think I think they would make a dope
Andrew bracelet. It'd be so good on a three-link.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. That's right. Or or or do uh you know do like a some sort of funky
Unknown five link or or whatever, right?
Everett I I don't know. Alpina can do bracelets.
Andrew Yeah. We've seen it.
Unknown And they do, you know, I think they do pretty cool
Everett bracelets, right? Their Alpina comes on a really cool bracelet.
Andrew You said wiener. You
Everett know, so it it it's not like they can't it's
Unknown not like they can't do it, but it does seem like
Everett that is not where their it's not where their pride of craft uh uh trends
Andrew yeah so uh
Everett yeah. It's a great release I. actually think the price is fine. I think this is a good price for this watch.
Andrew I don't disagree. I think with uh uh
Everett like an in-house caliber movement,
Andrew the finishing on it, I think you get there. Um I just for some reason I I always I I have trouble wrapping my head around a multi-thousand dollar Alpina. I don't know why.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. Um
Unknown yeah, this is cool.
Everett This is cool. Uh what's next, Andrew? What would I like to talk about next? I
Andrew oh, because I can't organize them. I
Everett I just pick watches from our text message thread. I'm so
Andrew disoriented right now. So Hamilton's
Everett released a couple watches in the last year that you and I have raised an eyebrow and and pinched our noses at done some weird stuff. I'm remembering the Call of Duty khaki
Andrew Oh so lazy. And
Everett so when I saw this watch pop up, I was like, oh boy, here we go again. Uh I could
Unknown not have been more wrong. Hamilton has is celebrating
Everett America's 250th anniversary.
Andrew Which they had plenty of time to plan for.
Unknown With a special khaki field mechanical. Okay, so that's
Everett my setup. And I'm thinking, oh boy, here we go. But then I'm looking at this thing and, I'm like, nah,
Unknown you know what? This okay,
Everett I'll I'll read on. I'll
Unknown read on. This is a reference
Everett that's based on an old military reference,
Unknown specifically the FAPD, the
Everett Fapita 5101 Navigator's Watch, which
Unknown was developed in the early 1970s
Everett for US Air Force navigators during Vietnam era. Okay. That may or may not be true. It certainly probably may be true-ish,
Unknown but that doesn't really matter.
Everett Because what it was was a 36 millimeter Park Race steel watch that was for the time for the era kind of oversized. This is a 36 millimeter blasted steel watch that is small-ish,
Unknown that comes equipped with an H50.
Everett Uh, a 36mm Hamilton khaki mechanical with a bubble plastic crystal
Unknown in a 36 millimeter package,
Everett 18 millimeter lugs, 100 meters of water resistance, 80, 80 hour power reserve, and a $725 price tag.
Andrew Fixed lugs. Fixed fixed
Everett lug bars. Fixed bars. Um on the lugs. So pass-through only.
Unknown Only 250 of these being made.
Andrew Which is a real bummer because this is a banger.
Everett It is a banger. I think this is a really, really great watch, Andrew.
Andrew Yes, it has all, all, all of the things.
Unknown All of the things.
Andrew Yes. Oh wait. I said
Unknown I said two hundred and fifty, isn't that what I said?
Andrew That is what you said. When I said that, I
Everett I think I was reading
Unknown it, but they're making
Andrew seventeen hundred and seventy six.
Everett Seventeen seventy six, that's right. So the two
Andrew hundred and fiftieth anniversary edition. Correct
Everett Amodo. That's right. That's right. So delete, ignore. They're making 1,770. And you can pre-order them now.
Andrew I might get one of these. This thing
Everett is really fucking cool.
Andrew And from what I can tell, there's nothing about it that makes it seem like an asshole anniversary watch until you get to the case back, which bears the engraving United States of America 250th Anniversary Exclusive 2026 edition, and then your normal spec sheet, water resistant, your cereal, and Swiss made.
Unknown Mm-hmm. Uh that doesn't bother me. No.
Everett That doesn't bother me. No, because it'd it'd be really
Andrew easy to go way too over the top.
Unknown Yeah. I I think this is I I
Everett just think this is a terrific release. It's priced right. It's now
Unknown I will say if you compare this release with
Everett the source material, they beefed it up. So the original one of these was pretty slender. In fact, the bezel is
Unknown slender, which makes the dial feel
Everett a little bigger. The um lugs collapse a little tighter, and the lugs are a little bit daintier. Uh, it's
Unknown a really handsome watch.
Everett Uh and I don't wanna I I don't want to say I don't want to say I like it better than this release, but it's got some appeal to
Unknown it. Now I think it's got I think that
Everett old one has a 16 or maybe a 17 millimeter strap, which it it or a lug opening, a 17 millimeter lug opening, which is perhaps untenable. So
Unknown maybe they had to beef it up, but also the
Everett the lugs are kind of kind of butch, uh unnecessarily so, and that bezel is pretty
Andrew well in this in this image that I'm looking at of of an original,
Everett yeah. Well that's the one I just showed you was original.
Andrew But but what you can tell on the close up is that even Hamilton found it hard to get a strap to fit.
Everett Yeah, I think that's a sixteen millimeter strap and a seventeen millimeter lug opening. That's my guess. Yeah.
Andrew So they've they've made it a little they've they've closed the strap gap.
Unknown Which I think was actually par for the course.
Everett I I think that was a very common practice was to use undersized straps in military watches. So um I I actually I I think that they've done a really good job with this release. And
Andrew yes. And I I'm hoping
Everett that these sell like hotcakes so
Unknown that they consider putting I think this
Everett would be a great, a great everyday banger. I'm I've been a huge fan and proponent of the Hamilton Khaki Mechanical. It's one of my rotation watches. I wear the heck out of that watch. Um I would consider swapping this in if it had white loom.
Andrew Mm-mm. As it sits, we've
Everett got old radium and
Unknown it it uh to use Andrew's phrasing,
Everett that's my only note.
Andrew Yeah, and but you know for this style of watch,
Everett 250. Yeah, I mean it it's the way to go. There's you can't go another way.
Andrew It's the right answer for an anniversary vintage inspired. And it's it's not offensive Fotina loom. I I think brands have done a good job in uh the advancement of Fotina to make it less weird yellow.
Everett I don't want to continue this conversation. Alright, well
Andrew you fuck off. What's
Everett next? I don't know. I'm out of order. Andrew, you
Unknown you're making this difficult. No,
Andrew my phone made this difficult. Do you want me to
Unknown pick one for you? No, I know what I want to talk
Andrew about. IWC. We have some IWC watches, so I figure we'll just batch them. Sure. Okay.
Everett Talk about the one I don't want to talk about though. The
Andrew Venturer Vertical Drive. Is that what you didn't want to talk about?
Everett Yes. Good. So
Andrew this is IWC's foray into what everyone is doing and making a spacewatch. And it looks the part.
Everett Hate it. I
Andrew sort of hate it too. Because I I don't like the watch making design decisions that they've made in the way of like I this isn't a watch that I can wear and not feel like an asshole. I can wear an X33 and not feel like an asshole. I can wear a cosmonaut and not feel like an asshole. I can wear a speedy and not feel like an asshole. This if I wear this watch, I'm gonna feel like an asshole because this big white silicone
Everett strap that I hate.
Andrew It's a big white what's this case material? Um white ceramic that I I don't like. I don't like all the white and I get why they did it because they want to match white on spacesuits. So here's here's the skinny on this thing. Uh it's a 44.3 millimeter wide case, 16.7 thick 100 meters of water resistance, integrated FKM, rubber strap. But here's where it gets cool. So we've we've gotten past the parts that we hate. This is, they're calling it the vertical drive because this whole watch was designed with the intention of being able to operate it from the bezel. So from winding to complication manipulation, everything is happening through bezel manipulation so that you can theoretically do it without having fine motor skills because you're in a spacesuit. And here's the other thing: they're working with a company I think it's called Foray. Um I have to look real quick. I have to remember. Oh shoot.
Everett I'm sorry I'm no help. You're not
Andrew helpful at all. Um
Everett yeah, I don't know. They're working with a company
Andrew who is working right now to design the first commercial uh space station. Vast, not foray.
Everett It's called Vast. Uh
Andrew so it's interesting to see all like we're we're in a new watch space race, right? We're in we're we're living the 60s of of every watch brand throwing their hat into the ring and because of the commercialization of space travel everyone gets to partner with a company and have their branding and logos on this thing. Uh I think the I think the vertical drive integration, the the manipulation of complications, time setting, winding, all coming through the bezel is really interesting. Uh, this is an offensively large watch, even for IWC. Uh, but the technology is really interesting, and now that it exists, they're gonna eventually be able to slim it down. I h I hate the way this watch looks though. This looks like a movie prop watch.
Everett Oh that's a good that's a good thought. Yeah, no that's I I I like that. Um yeah I I
Unknown don't really understand it' its's a patent pending rotating bezel system. I'm just reading from Fratello. Uh that allows the wearer to control all the watches functions without using a crown. Okay, fine. Uh inspired by the notion that astronauts would be wearing thick spacesuit during space box and therefore would need to adjust the watch while wearing protected Why do they
Unknown need to why do they need to adjust
Unknown the watch on EVA? Okay. I don't know,
Andrew maybe they need to adjust to like time elapsed. I don't I don't apparently
Everett I'm I've never been to space. I don't know.
Unknown A clutch system transmits the movements of the bezel to the winding stem. This is what the brand is calling vertical drive, hence the
Everett name of the watch. It's interesting. A rocker
Andrew switch on the case's left side allows the wearer to change
Unknown between different It's
Andrew like that um that Casio watch we to the the hexagon or octagon watch where you rotate the bezel to fit like change what the buttons are gonna do and it's interesting technology. It's
Everett interesting. That's right. It's it's also a solution without a problem.
Andrew I don't know. Have you ever worn space gloves?
Unknown No, but I uh but look these guys uh
Everett I I mean how long is how long is an EVA?
Andrew I don't know. Is it long enough to
Everett set your fucking watch? The answer is no, Andrew.
Andrew I mean you'd go whole days without setting your watch.
Everett I did wind up s I finally set it, but I don't think I s I didn't set my watch all day. Um I know
Andrew you've come to my house to record and wearing your speed master and it's not moving and it's set three days prior. I mean you wore that all day.
Everett I don't like it. I don't like the way it looks. I I mean it it's a
Unknown s it it there's something about it that's
Everett attractive, right? Uh IWC has a penchant for
Unknown like m making interesting cool
Everett watches. And and you know, with we've got ceramic and FK like okay, fine. I it's not for me. This is a weird watch.
Andrew It looks like a movie prop. Uh I think I think the technology is cool. And coming from IWC, that's not the brand that I would have expected it
Everett from. Um I guess I'll stay on I'll stay on the trip. I'll stay on the I'll stay on the train,
Unknown the station, the ship. Uh IWC Engineer Perpetual Calendar 41 Titanium.
Everett This is the one I didn't talk about. So last year, Watches and Wonders,
Unknown IWC introduced their stainless steel perpetual
Everett calendar engineer, uh,
Unknown which was taking sort of a
Everett classic Gerald Genta design, giving the PC treatment with a really, really cool crown operated perpetual calendar design by Kirk Klaus. It was a hit. People liked it. We didn't talk about it on the show, and I'm not sure why. With that said, well, I think I I think I know why. It was kind of expensive and it was like but now they've
Unknown done it again.
Everett It's the same, except it's in
Unknown all titanium and it's in monochrome
Everett gray. And what was last year not exciting enough for us to have talked about on the show is all of
Unknown a sudden exciting enough for us to both have put this on our notes, even though you claim you didn't want to talk about it?
Andrew Well, if we were talking, we we have three at ABCs, and this is the one that I was the least uh moved by.
Everett And turns out it's a hit. Yeah. It's a
Unknown hit. 120 grams. It's a perpetual calendar that is a 41.6 millimeter diameter, something
Everett like 13 thick. I can't remember exactly what it is. It's a perpetual calendar. It's a perpetual calendar engineer. With
Unknown that said 120 grams.
Everett Grade 5 titanium, 13 to
Unknown thick, integrated titanium bracelet,
Everett connecting through the middle link. Uh
Unknown 45% lighter than the steel version. Holy cow. So we do have functional screws securing the bez on this because it's an engineer, which means it looks like an engineer. Um but with the monochrome treatment, it is
Everett real killer. It yeah, it is real killer. So this
Unknown is powered by the calibre 82600,
Everett which is a 28800 vibration per hour, 60 hour power reserve perpetual
Unknown calendar that's programmed all functions
Everett adjusted via the crown. Uh, so
Unknown no additional pushers, no funk on your case. It is
Andrew a really, really interesting
Unknown solution to the problem because it's
Andrew IWCine Energ, we've got a great
Unknown see-through case back that shows
Everett a really beautiful movement with sort of a steering wheel
Unknown uh cockpit rotor. I
Everett love this thing, dude. I think this is great. It's a $44,000 titanium watch, which is
Andrew it's a hard pill to swallow. It's a tough pill
Unknown to swallow. Yeah. Um,
Everett especially it's IWC, right? This isn't
Andrew showpar. This isn't uh
Unknown so so do
Everett I accept yes. I do.
Unknown Do I love looking at
Everett pictures of this watch. Yes, I do. Am I gonna line up to buy one?
Unknown Probably not. Am I gonna line up if they're giving
Andrew them away for free? I'll line up for that. Yeah.
Unknown Yeah. I'll line up for that. I'll sleep
Everett on the street. Uh this thing's really cool. It's it's too rich for my blood, of course, but if you're like, hey, you know what? I got 50 large in the bank account that I gotta spend. I gotta spend this money. And I want a sporty perpetual calendar
Unknown that is not so heavy that it makes
Everett me feel bad. This is your watch. Is
Andrew there a way if you're that person,
Everett this is your watch. Is there a way
Andrew that we could find to write off big watch purchases like gambling losses?
Everett Yeah yeah, well I know you could write off watch purchase. I think you'd have to be you'd have to like be hodinky. But you could probably do it.
Andrew Could but could we like as a company buy watches and write them off as like business expenses. I
Unknown mean we could figure out a way. Okay.
Andrew Maybe we'll start buying some new watches. I really like this
Everett non profit watch museum. Oh,
Andrew interesting. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. All right. Now we're on to something. Yeah. Then then the acquisitions are for like historical preservation.
Everett Correct. Correct a mono. They're
Andrew like you could like double dip that. It's an expense and it's a donation.
Everett That's right. Yeah, that's right. We're
Andrew on to something here. That's
Everett that's what makes it a write off. Yeah,
Andrew but no, it's double. Like we can we it's a donation 'cause we donated that money to this other organization and then it cost us money. So it's a we double dip it. I'm I'm pretty confident the IRS wouldn't know what's happening. Let's do it. I mean.
Everett What's next, sir? Uh okay.
Andrew So we've talked about one weird IWC watch. We've talked about one amazing IWC watch, and I want to talk about another weird IWC watch. We have the IWC Big Pilot Perpetual Calendar Sarah Loom and the first picture I saw of this it's all loomed up and I am for it I love the I like I the that there are not more full-loomed aviators watches, doesn't make sense to me. Right? If we're talking about a watch that is intended to be highly legible, quickly, a full-loomed dial makes perfect sense. And then yeah, and then and then you move past
Everett a picture. And then you move past the
Andrew the full loomed uh image of it if you and you might as well not be wearing a watch if you
Everett only wear your watch at night and you have one of those black light thingies, uh
Unknown this is a relatively legible
Everett watch. What the fuck? But in the daylight,
Andrew and yes, this like and we've we've poo-pooed on oh legibility. This isn't this is not
Everett You actually can't You can't read
Andrew anything on this watch You can't tell up from down but for the fact that you're wearing it on your wrist, but for uh so the the the top has to be at the top.
Unknown Someone in a comment somewhere recently,
Everett Andrew, came at me because I was like I said something, I was like, legibility legibility weirdos are weird. Uh I don't remember what I said. I don't remember what the comment was. And he was like, this is a guy that bitches about like fonts on watches. It's like fair. That is very fair. Uh
Unknown with that said, I do think like sort of
Everett legibility snobs are a a little funny.
Unknown With that said, this is like there's a difference
Andrew between legibility, like oh you know, the the the professional is way more legible than the Caribbean because of the contrast of the black and the orange. That's right. Like no no no. You just
Everett can't see it. Yeah, you just can't this
Andrew is just a white dial with a disc that has two holes. Unsure what they're there for. Um the
Unknown date window is also
Andrew ghosted up. So you can't even read the gray font on your date window against this white fully zoomed in fully zoomed in macro photography this is a difficult to read watch
Everett we and and of course we're losing the plot a little bit here because the the story of this watch is that it's full loom and when I and
Andrew it's and it's it it's interesting because it's fully loomed pigments into this ceramic material of the case that allows it to be this really magically loomed watch in darkness, but in the light it is useless.
Everett And and to be clear, when we say full loom, we don't mean full loom dial. We mean full loom dials subdials, hands,
Unknown crowns, bracelet. I don't think the crowns,
Everett the crowns just steel. Uh yeah, but the the case
Andrew has loom on it. No, I think you're
Everett seeing the reflection off the case. I'm nine. That
Andrew looks super loomy. I am
Everett ninety-five percent sure that the No
Andrew that's loom look at look at the you
Everett can see the printed loom on there
Unknown it's too clean of a line for it to be a reflection
Everett oh man you might be right the
Andrew the inside half of the crown is also painted with loom i
Everett don't think so i did just think it's polished steel
Andrew no dog look that's you can see imperfections
Everett did you just i just randy johnson do, yeah. Or Randy Jackson do. Look at that one. You can see
Andrew imperfections in the loom application. Hold
Everett on, let's see if we can find it. Let's see if we can find it. Function.
Andrew That's not a fucking that's not a reflection.
Everett Model, dial, case material.
Unknown But I see what you're talking about. It says it's a stainless steel crown.
Everett I I think it could be a
Andrew reflection. It could be that strong of a loom that it's reflecting off of the high polish onion.
Everett I think it's a stainless steel crown, but uh yeah it we don't we don't cannot confirm. We need we need to
Unknown know from people who were buying this watch.
Everett Speaking of which, how much does
Unknown is this gonna set you back? Not
Andrew much. Only seventy-six thousand United States dollars. What the sh like Uh What?
Everett I I wanna be angry at it and I'm not. I'm just confused
Andrew by it. I I think I I what got me excited was that I saw this pilot's watch that had too many complications, and I was like, oh, this makes perfect sense. A full loom case and dial for a what's you know really intended to be an instrument for a pilot. But only about half of the day is dark.
Everett Yeah. And then the other half of the
Andrew day, this is a totally useless instrument.
Everett Yeah, that's right. Uh well you you you're right. Uh with that said, I I I am I think it's kind of fun.
Unknown I think it's kind of fun. I I I
Andrew would not kick it out of bed. Yeah. But I I wouldn't text it again.
Everett Yeah, that's right. Um Nomos?
Andrew Oh yes. I you you you are you slurping my I was really excited about this. Nomos has been catching my attention in in meaningful ways in the last like year. Um
Unknown for that FAPTA. Yeah.
Andrew Uh uh Gnomos released
Unknown the last year,
Everett I think Watches and Wonders,
Unknown they released the Club
Everett Sport Neomatic World Timer, which I think kind of took the world by storm. I think the the
Unknown neomatic world timer was a watch that
Everett served, I think, as a bridge watch for a lot of people. People who were like, I get
Unknown it. German, in-house,
Everett really cool, doing their own thing, but it's not for me. It's not for me, dog. Nah, dog uh it's a no from me
Unknown with that said uh i
Everett think something about the neumatic world timer was maybe like straightforward enough, although I I I think it'd be a mistake to consider this a straightforward watch. It's it was sort of a bridge watch, I think. It's sporty, it's like got almost normal sized lugs. It's got a fantastic layout. It's
Andrew it's a little eccentric. Just but just this is this is the
Everett just a little bit. This is the watch that
Andrew you wear if you are a boat. Excuse me. Wow, I came out of nowhere. If you wear a bow tie in lieu of
Everett yes. This is a bow tie wearing
Andrew watches. But maybe, but maybe like uh like
Everett bow tie, I feel like okay, that guy's maybe an asshole. Like if I saw someone in an ematic world timer, I'm like, that guy's not an asshole. No,
Andrew but he's not a big wear ironically he he he wears the bow tie because he prefers it. He likes the process of tying the bow tie.
Everett That guy might be an asshole. Okay, you're describing right now might a neomatic world timer does not give those
Andrew vibes. No, this is this is uh like an eclectic, little bit eccentric. I prefer the bow tie. Like lead is still fully buried.
Unknown They they released it.
Andrew That's our thing. We have lime and shovels for leads here. Sometimes rope.
Unknown They've released the neomatic world timer in a white dial.
Everett In a serene, as monochrome
Unknown puts it, white dial, with sparing doses of color. And what that is, is we've got some red.
Andrew We've got a Pepsi. And then we've got
Unknown a bit of a and then we've got a bit of a Pan Am slash Pepsi thing going on uh uh uh on on the world timer subdial. This is really beautiful. The the one the one question I I have about this watch, and it's not about the watch itself, it is uh in the product photography, or perhaps it's monochromes photography, they've got this all steel
Everett Queco Sport fountain
Unknown pen that's gnomos branded
Everett that I can't find. And I'm like, oh boy I want that
Andrew does it come as a package uh
Unknown it's just a new it's just a neumatic world timer uh
Everett in white and that is
Unknown in and of itself pretty cool. You know, one of the things that happened
Everett after the World Times came out is people's like, which one do you like the best? Um, they're all kind of
Unknown and and for me, that was like, well,
Everett they're all interesting. But they're all like kind of enigmatic. It
Unknown feels like this is like the baseline
Everett release that I'd really that
Andrew we wanted when the original came out. Like
Unknown to have had it in the first place. No, I'd fuck with this
Andrew before I'd before any of the others.
Unknown If you don't know, it's a 40 millimeter by
Everett sub ten nine nine thick,
Unknown uh 48 lug to lug because it's no most,
Everett it's not gonna be short, but 40 it's pretty reasonable. Um, we've
Unknown got a three-part polished steel case,
Everett screw down crown, 100 meters of water resistance. Obviously, we've got uh
Unknown a sapphire sandwich here,
Everett in-house, white silver plated dial. This thing's fantastic.
Andrew It's good. This is the this is the the one.
Everett Yeah. 4260
Andrew euros. Yeah. I mean, that's
Everett not that's not that's not a a small amount of money, but for what you're
Unknown getting here, I think sub five
Everett grand, this is one of the most I mean in-house, like you really if you're like I want one of the coolest watches I can get
Unknown for under five grand, you gotta look at this.
Everett Now you gotta look at the entire gnomos catalog
Andrew at that point. Cause Gnomos, like and
Unknown actually, Andrew, you said I I don't know what you said. This is
Everett US dollars with that and everything,
Unknown it comes up to fifty five almost
Everett six grand. Yeah, it's forty two hundred
Andrew and sixty euros. Yeah, well,
Everett fifty five eighty, which is not a direct conversion. So five thousand,580 US dollars.
Andrew Fucking tariffs. And
Unknown that's all I had to say about that.
Andrew Um give me a second. Let's see what I
Unknown let's let's see you stop, collaborate, and listen.
Andrew I think I might have exhausted my list.
Everett Oh boy, yeah, I'm looking at your list and you
Unknown don't have anything else to talk about. I I did I should have I should have been more thoughtful about that. Well let's
Andrew see. That's you know par for the course.
Everett I don't think we talk about that. I closed
Unknown it. I don't think we talk about that. I'm just gonna I there's one more thing I'd like to
Unknown talk about. Okay, do me. And that is
Unknown Cartier's Roadster
Andrew mm-mm I think
Unknown the Roadster is I think this came out in the early two thousands it is it
Everett it's always just felt very dated to me. And in fact,
Unknown it it feels like a watch that was that was or probably should have been
Everett released ten years earlier than it was, which is to say, I don't think this was Cartier. I don't think this was Cartier's best work at the time it was released. Uh
Unknown it it was kind of dated, kind of funky, kind of weird. Like, who's this for, Cartier?
Everett Um with that said,
Unknown it's an attractive watch, uh undoubtedly attractive. Uh just kind of like it, I I've always
Everett struggled to understand it.
Andrew It it's felt like a weird in-between. It's like, well, the the tank is too formal. The Santos is too square. What what can we what can we do to like meet in the middle? And you don't want to crash. God help you if you want to if you don't if if the crash doesn't work. Um I
Everett want crash. I I think I would
Andrew really love to own a roadster and a crash and then wear them in sequential days.
Everett So Cartier
Unknown has gone back to the roadster. Um so I I
Everett think that the idea of the roadster, it's
Unknown sort of this like uh uh homage to sort of like lead craft
Everett hot rod cars, which in and of
Unknown itself is kind of weird, right? It's like some boomer designed
Everett this watch for boomers. Uh
Unknown with that said, they've they've sort
Unknown of tweaked
Unknown it. I think that's a good word for this. They have tweaked this to make it an altogether more attractive. So
Everett it's just little
Unknown changes, little changes. And I'll be honest, I didn't catalog what those changes were, but what I can say is in looking at this watch it it is way less objectionable than the than the released in 2005 looking like a nineteen ninety-five old version of the roadster. All of a sudden we've got a very coherent package of dimensions it is
Unknown undeniably a roadster it you would
Everett be you would be forgiven for
Unknown looking at this and saying that's just a roadster. But when you get into it, you're like, oh, actually everything is just a little bit better. Um still got the tighter,
Andrew little look cleaned up. Still
Unknown got the big sort of headlight magnifier, still got the pretty
Everett busy dial.
Unknown Um Roman numerals, sort of really prominent minute track, uh lots of sort of texture. And and and for me, these little changes have turned this into a really pretty compelling watch. Um, we've got brush, we've
Everett got polish, we got lots of polish because we've got Cartier.
Andrew Great step in the bezel of the case.
Everett That's right. Yeah. Two two sizes
Unknown of this. We've got a 38 millimeter and I want
Everett to say a thirty five
Unknown millimeter. Um uh
Andrew forty-seven and forty two
Everett those are wide dimensions. The
Andrew lug to lug, and then a so it's a 38 and a 34.9.
Everett Okay, so that's what I said. Is it? Yeah.
Andrew Because I don't remember you saying four point nine. I said
Everett thirty. I said 38 and 35. You're correct.
Andrew Yeah. Yeah. Uh
Everett big bullet crown. These are interesting. I kind of want to talk about them because I just it's a watch that I've always kind of been like
Unknown meh about and I think Cartier has taken this kind of meh watch and
Everett made it really better.
Unknown They've made it all really better.
Andrew Yes. Really better. Much. Muchas, perhaps.
Everett Muchas. Uh Andrew.
Andrew I don't like I I've never liked the the Cyclops on it.
Unknown Well, but I mean that's like sort of I know it's
Andrew the thing, but I I that's like the
Everett defining characteristic. I know, but
Andrew if they were to remove the cyclops, I'm pretty okay with this, you know, tank Santos. Hybrid.
Everett Moving along. I don't have any more
Andrew things. So well, other things.
Everett What do you got? Oh my
Andrew goodness. So I got really excited. I saw uh I
Everett I loved Beef season
Unknown one. Yeah. Because it was phenomenal,
Andrew right? It was like really relatable.
Unknown I think you talked about it on the show. I
Andrew I almost certainly did. It was relatable, it was interesting, it was like it made you uncomfortable in all the right ways. So Beef Season 2 came out.
Everett Did you just almost fall out of your chair?
Andrew No, I'm just trying to adjust to to prepare for my outburst. Uh and and it's stacked with great actors. The writing is great. But it was like the final season of Game of Thrones, or perhaps season two of True Detective, where they went, they just tried to do too much. And as much as I enjoyed every single episode, even as I'm enjoying it, I'm like, this is too big. Just dial it back, right? Beef season one. It was a road rage incident. And then it spiraled, right? And it felt so relatable because the characters were just super normal people who had a really fucked up day and then it just like g it got out of got out of hand. This season was not that way. It was characters that once you got to know them, you could relate to them, but were just generally unrelatable. They were trying to do too much. And I was like, as much as I enjoyed it, and I would highly recommend watching it, because it was the acting was great. Writing was great. It like they they stuffed 10 pounds of shit into a five-pound bag, and it turned out okay. But I was I'm so bummed. I just I had hopes that it was gonna be that it was gonna live up to it, right? You know, and just the same way we all did the same thing with True Detective after season one, which was like one of the most perfect seasons of television ever written, to be followed up by season two, which was like again, just like it. You try to do too much and got really ambitious, and then you're like, oh God, we only have three hours left, and we really have to wrap this up. Um that's how this felt and it kind of bummed me out. It they tie everything up neatly with a bow in a in a way that like is perfectly acceptable. But man, for how good it was, I was super bummed out by it.
Unknown Interesting. Yeah. I do have to say
Everett I I consider Carrie Mulligan a bit of
Unknown a guilty pleasure, Andrew.
Everett Carrie Mulligan as an actor, it' a gusilty pleasure for me.
Andrew Why guilty? Yeah, I mean
Everett I feel a little guilty. Okay,
Andrew I accept. Um but yeah, it w it was the the acting like top everyone was great. Everything about it was great, except that it wasn't.
Everett Mm-hmm. Interesting. I'm gonna have to it that's like you do this sometimes where you're like, I didn't like this.
Andrew But I also love But then I'm like interested
Everett and then I'm like, well God, I gotta check that out.
Andrew It is so worth a watch. Uh but it it just it I'm I'm still processing it, right? I finished it today and I was just like, man, I loved it and I did not like it.
Everett Interesting. Well,
Unknown I'll have to check it out. Okay. Um
Andrew Andrew, y you and I have talked
Everett about games. In fact, we've talked about games on
Unknown this show a handful of times. Um video games. Uh I tend to, as I've gotten older, I tend towards
Everett the like sort of quick session. Like, I need to be able to play this game
Unknown for five to ten minutes, right? This
Everett is this is like this is the time I have. This is like a poop drop game. Um
Unknown and so that's sort of been kind
Everett of where my gaming interest has lied for several years, right? You know, I played Tears of the Kingdom, I played Breath of the Wild, but outside of that, I haven't really had any sort of like like session games that I I can really point back to and say,
Unknown yeah, that sort of caught my attention. Um
Everett that has changed and it has changed in a very odd direction. I'm gonna admit that up front. Okay. This is an odd.
Andrew Are you on the Sims? Like are you are you back at there?
Everett No. In fact,
Andrew uh there is quite a bit of sim
Everett gaming that has come through my house recently. Well, this is a sim game. Um in fact, it's called it's called simulator is in the game. It's called Farming Simulator.
Unknown I on a whim
Everett downloaded a game off of Steam called Farming Simulator, and I didn't download the new version, which is farming simulator twenty-five. Rather, I downloaded the prior version, which is farming simulator twenty-two. I did that primarily because I do not have a computer that
Unknown I feel confident in the
Andrew new version. And I looked
Everett at the specs and I thought, well, I think my machine is more sort of suited towards this older version. So what is it? What is it? Well, it
Unknown it the sort of a as
Everett advertised uh theory applies here, which is to say it is quite literally a farming simulator. It is a simulation of farming. And and it is not like Farmville, which I think is a game that many people listening to the show will be familiar with. I think circa 2007-8.
Andrew In the zone, maybe a little later, but yeah.
Unknown Farmville was a
Everett thing, right? Like, oh, I'm gonna play this game via my
Unknown Facebook account that everybody has, and I'm
Everett gonna grow blackberries and whatever
Unknown else and make a farm. It is like
Everett that, except that it's not it is very realistic. Uh which is to say that you've got to like you've got to like fertilize and you've got to
Unknown have equipment and it's gotta be the right equipment equipment
Everett and it's all licensed equipment from John Deere and Kloss and uh these like and and and like some
Andrew packs to buy the Mercedes driverless trucks. You can
Everett buy mod packs which I've never I've never in my life before about three weeks ago downloaded a mod. A quota I I occasionally will see this on, oh you get a mod. I've downloaded mods
Unknown now for it. Um,
Everett I have begun to build a
Andrew controller. I did, I
Everett bought a controller. Um man oh man,
Unknown you would think, and Kim is like,
Everett What are you doing? Tend into my farm!
Unknown And I'm like, Well, I've got to
Everett I've got to till so that I can seed, and then I've got, you know, I think I'm gonna have to go lease a rock picker because the field's getting and she's like, this is absurd.
Andrew What's the uh like the in-game timeline versus real life? Because it's obviously not like a year cycle to to plant and and so
Everett you get days. You get
Unknown days and you can adjust the time. You can either go
Everett like half of real time or um upwards towards I think three hundred and sixty times real time.
Andrew So like a day, a year.
Everett And and each day is a month, right? So uh because you know they they they things happen in months so in january you can you can sow this you can harvest this you can you know uh anyway I'm just gonna say this game has sucked me in and I've found myself really enjoying it. I think that there's so I mean it's sort of like I I think a I'm a lawyer, right? So I sit in a office and write emails uh and talk on the phone. And so there's there's an aspect of it where like, oh, I'm experiencing this thing that I otherwise wouldn't experience, which is interesting, right? Like equipment, like Tonka trucks. And um so I think that is like a really sort of like visceral
Unknown appeal. But uh yeah,
Everett I I am bizarrely sucked into this and I'm having a lot of fun with it. So
Unknown it was cheap. I don't remember what I paid for it. I got
Everett it on sale for twenty-f buivecks or something like that. And uh
Unknown I am just loving it. How
Andrew much have you spent since your initial purchase?
Everett Zero. Oh zero. So it's just mod
Andrew downloads for free. Okay. Yep.
Everett I I I doubt that controller. I did buy a controller. Arguably that controller could be used for other things. Um it's a PlayStation controller. I picked
Unknown a PlayStation controller because we don't have any PlayStation stuff in the house.
Andrew Smart. Keep it to yourself. And I wanted to have
Everett a controller that nobody else could use. Because the people in my house,
Unknown not Kim, but the other people that live with
Everett me are prone to breaking
Unknown things. Disrespectful of other people's property.
Everett That's right. And not respectful of their own. That's right. Um, and so I bought I bought a PlayStation controller because I said nobody's gonna have any reason to use this, uh, and it will be mine. Uh so
Unknown it and and that was a purchase in
Everett and of itself. I was like, this is kinda cool, right?
Unknown I don't have a modern gaming console. So
Everett uh buying a place, I was like,
Andrew well, that's true.
Everett We've got we've got a switch. That's right. So um yeah, I was like, oh this controller is pretty pretty cool.
Andrew The texture on new controllers.
Everett Yeah. Oh. Yeah, that's right.
Andrew The the industrial design people, man, they they get it.
Everett Yeah, they they want that to be in your hands. They want
Unknown you to be very comfortable with it. Yeah. I
Andrew uh a friend of mine, what was that weird little teardrop shaped chapstick that was like all a rage.
Everett I know what I'm talking about. Yes.
Andrew He was an intern for whatever company that was. And the project he worked on was the click.
Unknown Oh. The the snap close. Sure.
Andrew That tactile feedback. And that was like nine months of his life was just doing the design of the click.
Everett Man, that seems like a lot of time. It's like when we like w when we designed the color for this dial, we s had thirteen engineers spend two years of their life picking like
Andrew turns out it's blue. Andrew, you got anything
Everett you got anything you want to add before we wrap it up for the night?
Andrew No, I'm out of things. I I love that you're now a farm sim guy.
Unknown Hey folks, thanks for joining us for this episode of 40
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