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Piaget, Hanhart, and Citizen (379)

Published on Mon, 02 Feb 2026 22:25:30 -0800

Synopsis

In this episode of the Forty and Twenty podcast, hosts Andrew and Everett discuss recent watch releases with notable enthusiasm. Everett expresses that after months of feeling somewhat negative about watches, this week's releases rekindled his excitement about the hobby, particularly regarding how companies are approaching design and innovation.

The discussion covers several releases including the Piaget Polo 79 in two-tone white and yellow gold, Oak and Oscar's EXP02 featuring their in-house dial-making capabilities, Christopher Ward's Pan Am collaboration GMT, Hanhart's 417 ES "Moby Dick" in white, and several affordable dive watches from brands like Heron and Maine. They also discuss Astro and Banks' Terra Scout field watch from their friend Andrew Perez. The hosts particularly appreciate brands stepping outside their comfort zones and pushing creative boundaries, even when executing familiar designs. They note they're in a "golden age of small and independent brands" where even established companies are taking notice and producing interesting work. The episode concludes with their "other things" segment, where Andrew recommends Mark Rober's Crunch Labs STEM content on Netflix, and Everett enthusiastically reviews the Netflix documentary about the 1980 US Olympic hockey team.

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Speaker
Andrew Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to Forty and Twenty, the WatchClicker Podcast with your hosts Andrew and my good friend Efred. Here we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, how are you? I'm alright.
Everett I'm alright. Um Yep, I don't have anything to say about that.
Andrew Well, no, work's busy, you're tired, weather's been beautiful, uncharacteristically so. Uh I miss anything? I don't think I did.
Everett How are you doing, Andrew? Uh I'm okay.
Andrew I ha I'm like I don't know if I'm at the beginning or at the tail end of a little bit of a cold. Oh,
Everett big shock. Yeah. I I have
Andrew little kids and they just are disease factories. Um yeah, so if it has like kind of like a sore throat and just kind of like body aches, and I can't tell if it's getting better or worse. But other than that, I'm okay.
Everett All right. Well, good enough. So you you are um headed back to work in a few weeks. You've been we've been working, but you've been sort of on light duty, you're headed back to work. You've
Andrew Yeah, I'm I'm looking forward to having like a normal routine. That'll be a nice return to normalcy. And it'll be during daylight hours, which is magical.
Everett Yeah, so you're going on to a daytime shift, is that right?
Andrew For the most part, day shift, yeah. Yeah, nice.
Everett Nice. I think um you know, over the years you've talked about I kind of like the evening shift and I had a feeling at some point.
Andrew Yeah, seven years is uh is sufficient.
Everett I had a feeling at some point you'd be like, okay, I'm ready to
Andrew Yeah, I'm on four-ish months of living like sleeping at night and like my sleep is starting to return to a healthy routine where I don't like physically wake up at 10 p.m. every night, like woo-hoo, let's go.
Everett Yeah, re-establishing cicadian rhythms.
Andrew Yeah. Which is uh really nice.
Everett Yeah. I forgot what it was like.
Everett Yeah, no, it is. You know, I'm
Everett uh I'm turning into that that person that I was like always awestruck by as a young child who like wakes up at 630 and is just like up.
Andrew You know, I I always remember it like as a you
Everett know, a 19-year-old maybe or a 20-year-old, you know, thinking,
Everett I just cannot imagine a world
Everett in which I wake up at 6 30 and I think I should, I guess I'm up. But now
Andrew I'm that guy. My eyes
Everett open at 6 30 and I'm just like Alright. Saturday.
Andrew I'm I'm up well before that. And I've I have found that I am just not a morning person when left to my own uh like own rhythm I'm like a sleep from midnight 2 a.m. to like eight or nine a.m kind of person and then I'm good. I'm not an early mornings type. And I always thought that I was because I was in the army for so long and I was like, oh no, this is normal. You everyone gets up at 4 30 in the morning and starts driving into work. And this is just what I do. I'm a morning person. Turns out that's not the case.
Everett You like to sleep in a little bit. I
Andrew don't like to be up that early. Yeah, you know,
Everett I think um there's a there's a bit of magic that I've found in getting up at 6 30, making a pot of coffee and reading, you know, 100 pages of a book.
Andrew Well, because you don't see your kids for six more hours.
Everett Yeah, that's that's right. I mean, you know, my kids are up anywhere between 9 30 to well shit noon at this point because they're you know teenagers but yeah there's something about that
Everett specifically that period of time that period of time from
Everett like 6 30 to maybe 8 30.
Andrew It's just like that is this is
Everett my time. Kim's not awake, kids aren't awake. Sometimes Larry will come out and just chill. He'll just like sleep on the couch next to me. But I'll just drink
Everett half a pot of coffee, read my book.
Everett And that is like one of my
Everett most delightful And
Andrew I I get that experience like after 10 PM.
Everett Yeah, that sure. No,
Andrew because it's like it's such a good way to start your day.
Everett Yeah, it's a little bit different. Yeah. Something about that morning. I've really taken delight in finding that period of time for myself. So
Andrew because the day is just filled with hope and opportunity. Yeah. I
Everett don't know. I don't know about all
Everett that. But it is a nice, it is a nice time of day. Yeah.
Everett Yeah. Um, Andrew, uh, we are in any event not here to
Everett talk about our uh middle-aged cicadian rhythms. Rather, we're here to talk about
Everett watches which are not wholly unrelated uh yeah we
Everett weren't that far off topic but mostly
Everett unrelated and uh yeah yeah you know what we don't always do this, but can we just briefly can we just briefly talk about like holistically your
Everett experience in r reading about the watch releases this week?
Everett Hmm. Maybe not anything notable. I went didn't mean to put you on the
Andrew spot. I was like filled with excitement. I felt like every other release that I saw felt like a reminder that we're in the golden age of small and independent brands, and even big brands are taking notice of that and doing some of the same cool shit. Yeah.
Everett Okay. What were your thoughts?
Andrew That was a kind of a leading question that made me think that you had an answer to your
Everett question. Yeah,
Everett no, I it was more I was more I was more
Everett wondering if you'd had any of the same feelings,
Everett but you first I I want to sort of acknowledge something. I feel like I've been on a bit of a rut
Everett where I've been kind of negative about watches.
Everett And I don't think I'm wholly through that at this point. I don't think I'm I'm completely I I don't think I've abandoned that uh that general negativity. Uh with that said, with that said, I did feel a thing this week that I think I haven't felt
Everett in at least a few months, which
Everett is to say like, okay, there's there's more to do here.
Everett There's more to do here. And I don't mean you and me. Obviously, I think we could keep doing this almost indefinitely. But but rather like with watches,
Everett I had like almost some excitement this
Everett week. Not necessarily about any of the specific watches, but about the way the companies we're going to talk about or the businesses we're going to talk about sort of are approaching watches. Even a watch that I I ultimately pulled from my list and that you brought back on your list. I I had a watch on my list. We'll talk about it when we get there. But it was a watch that I had on my list. And I was like, no, Everett,
Everett you're not going to talk about that watch.
Everett Because just no. And then you
Everett brought it back. And even as I read about
Everett that watch, I was like, you're trying to figure out what it is. Even as I read about that watch, I was
Everett like, you know what? I fucking
Everett love watches. I think that's kind of where what I felt this week. It like there's nothing here. I was going through my list, I
Everett didn't know which one it was.
Everett Like when When we get to it, you can you can guess it. Um
Everett yeah, anyway, it is not that not really even anything specific. It was just like, yep, I love
Everett watches. I really, really like watches. So
Everett um with that, with that, I know it's a little bit of a change
Everett from our normal pace, but do you want to get
Everett us started today? I think I will get us started.
Andrew And this is not the watch that I I think that you uh that I that I uh resurrected into the list.
Everett Okay. Because we had a lot of overlap. We did.
Andrew We there were a couple things on your list that weren't on mine.
Everett I know when I only get like three links from you. I was like, oh we have I've already cold.
Andrew Right. Uh Piaget at it again with the polo 79 and this time it's in two tone.
Everett This is that watch. It's the one. Oh, okay.
Andrew I thought it was gonna be another one. Uh, and I we we talked about the original release because it was fantastic. I don't know if we talked about the white gold because it's just a a new color. This is this is a new color and is just fantastic. This screams all of the things the PG Polo 79 is supposed to be sleek and boisterous and gorgeous. So what we have is white gold uh fat links, like fat bands, with yellow gold skinny bands horizontally across a 79. Once I've described it like
Everett that, you can imagine it's primarily white
Andrew gold with yellow gold accents. And I am in
Everett love. I wish I had the kind
Andrew of money to buy the cause the yellow gold, cool, the white gold, cool. This is two-tone magic. And there's only a few two-tone watches in the world that have been like, yep, yep, I get down with
Everett that. This is among them. Um
Andrew and here's the good news. This is almost in the realm of affordable. This is only 96,000 pounds, including the 21% VAT. So if you take like this is this is like about 60,000 pounds if you're not having to pay VAT. A little more than that, like 70,000 pounds. So you know, maybe you could make it happen. I love this.
Everett You know, this is just peak peak sort of 80s having been renewed for a new generation. Um, you I
Everett do you remember? So I I don't
Everett think this song was a big deal. I don't think this song was a big deal. I don't think it made it across
Everett many people's playlists, but in
Everett 2015, a duo, uh, a duo called West Walker and Dill, D Y L,
Everett not that's deal. N uhot not
Everett a uh household name. Uh made a rap song called Jordan Belfort, uh with obvious subject matter.
Everett It is it it should be terrible, but it's actually really fucking good.
Everett And this watch reminds me. I was
Everett like reading about this watch and that song
Everett was playing in my back of my head back of my head. I think these are just like two kids, two probably wealthy kids with way too much money that watched Wolf of Wall Street. They were like, let's make a song about this. Anyway,
Everett it's a terrific song. And as I read
Everett about this watch, I will that's the theme song. Oh
Andrew yeah. This is like that played in my head.
Everett I I see this watch. You have chubbies,
Andrew boat shoes. This watch is obviously gonna be oversized and j jangling off your wrist a little bit. Yeah. And you have to have a polo with a pattern reminiscent of like a waxed
Everett paper cup. Two polos.
Andrew Ideally, yeah. You go yeah, it's
Everett stacked. Yeah. Stacked phones. Uh yeah. No, I think it's great. And and this was the one, like I said, I had this on my list and then I was like, I'm gonna take this off my list. I don't need to talk about an eighty thousand dollar watch.
Andrew It's not an eighty thousand dollar watch for bat. Yeah. Uh
Everett but I'm glad you talked about it because it is r it is really delightful.
Everett I can we just talk I I know it it can we just talk about the watch a little bit?
Andrew Uh I suppose. Because we
Everett didn't really. Okay We've talked about it though, at least
Andrew once, maybe twice. Sure, sure,
Everett sure, sure, sure, sure, sure, sure, sure, sure, sure, sure.
Everett But can but can we? Thirty-eight millimeters by seven and a half thick, seven point four five thick.
Andrew Yeah. Even even
Everett in all gold, it's two
Everett hundred grams. And the
Everett movement on this thing is fucking nuts.
Everett Yes. This is an automatic micro rotor. What what Piaget calls the 1200 P1.
Everett It is a 2.35
Everett millimeter movement that
Everett is absolutely outrageous.
Everett Uh this watch, pretty blocky construction
Everett with that said, the bevels on
Everett it are some of
Everett the it this is one of the most delightfully
Everett constructed watches that exists on earth. Uh
Everett and I don't that that is literal and not
Everett hyperbolic in the least. Um man, the
Everett this is just actually one
Everett of the most delightful watches on earth. I
Everett can't afford it. I do
Everett wish there was a world that I could. I need to work really hard. But holy God.
Andrew One of the details on this that I really love that would have been just easy to not do, the pins. In this bracelet are yellow gold instead of color matched white gold. Color matching, but nope. We're gonna do make this full two tone. Right. Gold the the same color shan't touch itself. And they made it so.
Everett Andrew, do you know what a gadrun?
Andrew Uh I think it's one of these uh horizontal gold bars that lays between the yeah or the white gold. I don't know what a gadrun is. I I love the word though.
Everett So from Oxford, a decorative edging on metal or wood typically formed by inverted flutings. Um I don't know. That's what they called, that's what they call the texture here. And of course, these
Andrew gadroons go all the way through the
Everett watch. They don't, it's not just bracelet, they go through the mid-case, but also through the die.
Andrew Yeah. If you don't know this watch,
Everett you you oughta know this watch.
Everett It's just one of my favorite watches on
Andrew Earth. It's yeah.
Everett I would love to I
Everett would love to be in a world where I saw something like this and I thought right because I think there are some people that they see this and they're like gross.
Andrew I I think I think this is the type of watch that a not watch person or maybe even like an early life watch person would look at and be like that's
Everett weird yeah it's ugly it's
Andrew like the uh the ecozilla like the orange ecozilla
Everett sure you know, five years into this journey,
Andrew you're like, man, it turns out I think I really do like that thing.
Everett Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Uh 'cause this is
Andrew just cool. It has it's not just a jewelry watch, right? Though it very much is a piece of high fashion jewelry. It's also a really cool vintage inspired design. And the movement in it is next level. Uh I think
Everett this is a this is a a little
Andrew bit more of a mature uh
Everett watch person's watch or just somebody who wants
Andrew some bling. Yeah. I
Everett I have heard a little bit
Everett of grumbling about the price on this. Um
Andrew it's 200 grams of gold.
Everett Yeah, but even then, even then it it it's a lot of money, right?
Andrew You're essentially I mean, if it's just gold,
Everett we're talking about, you're probably talking about twenty-five thousand ish retail value for like a very, very simple, not complicated watch. So that means probably like twenty-five or 30. So that
Everett means that this is like a
Everett $50,000 watch in steal, which I just don't I don't think it is. Right? Are you tracking me?
Andrew I'm with you. Yeah. So um but I think if you look at three X, if you're just looking at raw material, let's not think about any of the R and D. Just raw material.
Everett Yeah, but I th I mean I mean I w what's two hundred grams of gold? I mean it's like Ooh, is it twenty thousand dollars an ounce right now? Oh I don't know.
Andrew Before it's getting worked. Yeah, I don't know.
Everett I don't think it's that much. And ever actually everything just the bottom just fell out of everything.
Andrew Gold price today. That's only um well that's gold futures. Uh five thousand dollars an ounce right now. I thought it was way higher than that.
Everett Yeah, you said that and I was like, oh that's crazy. I thought it was way higher than that. Yeah,
Everett two hundred grams of twenty-four carat
Everett gold today would be thirty thousand dollars based on a spot price.
Andrew Okay. This is of course not twenty-four
Everett karat, but still we're probably talking about twenty.
Everett Okay, so maybe I'm maybe I'm wrong. I mean,
Andrew these are what uh eighteen karat white and yellow. So eighteen karat, two hundred well, let's assume probably 170 grams of of just raw material gold that has not been worked. Never mind the RD into this movement. Never mind the the the making, like the the actual manufacturing and assembly of the movement.
Everett I still think we're a little high. I I mean
Andrew you're not wrong. Yeah. But I I also think that for something like this you we're we're in the z
Everett Yeah, I'm I'm thinking I I think fifty five sixty I'd be I I wouldn't have anything to grow.
Andrew And if you reduce this price of ninety-six by twenty percent.
Everett Yeah, no, I'm calling this an eighty thousand
Everett dollar watch. I know you said it's not, but getting rid of that is an eighty thousand dollar watch.
Andrew It's like seventy something. So anyway,
Everett uh I just love that watch. It's looks so cool
Andrew because it looks so stupid, but it's also amazing.
Everett Yeah, I I don't think it looks stupid. It
Everett does, but it's such a good way. Um so Okan
Everett Oscar.
Everett Okan Oscar. Uh I think this is cool. And so I'm just gonna try to I'm just gonna
Everett try to talk about what's cool about this because
Everett really this isn't anything I mean just on paper it it's kind of hard I think to understand
Everett exactly what's going on here. But Oak and
Everett Oscar introduced a humble what they're calling the EXP02, which is just to be clear, this is a 20-piece limited edition, 10-piece
Everett dedicated for existing cupboard customers on lottery 10 pieces to the public on lottery
Andrew i think that's cool that is cool i like that uh execution of a super limited run.
Everett And the point of this watch is to show
Everett off Oak and Oscar's in-house dial making capabilities.
Andrew Which is cool. With
Everett that said, this you couldn't
Andrew make more than 20. This is a Humboldt.
Everett This is a Humboldt. And it looks
Everett very much like a Humboldt. But what they've done here, what they've done here is in-house
Everett Okan Oscar has worked on developing its
Andrew dial making capabilities.
Everett And so this is sort of meant to be an
Everett ultimate exploration of what Oaken well I shouldn't say I shouldn't say any of that. I'm this I'm sort of speaking for them.
Everett But I think what this is is meant to be
Everett a really a showcase of what Oakan Oscar can do with a dial given a challenge.
Everett Uh, and so what they've done here is they've made both a re hot and a dial with lasers. That's fun to say.
Everett Lasers. Both cut
Everett from aluminum. Uh with the chapter ring being then riveted and bonded
Everett to the dial plate.
Everett And then a matte
Everett finish applied using a 50 micron silicon carbide blasting media. Okay.
Everett What does all that mean? I don't really know. But what I know is it sounds challenging
Everett and I think it sounds like
Everett a lot of investment that Oak and Oscar has made to be able to do this. I think there remains a question. Okay, so
Everett so let's just talk about the watch. Because it's a Humboldt. Okay. It's a Humboldt. It's an automatic Humboldt.
Everett If you've seen an Okan Oscar Humboldt, you're going to look at this and say, Yep, that's a Humboldt. It's
Everett which is to say it's a sandwich dial. Um we've got tolerances of just they
Everett claim 0.01 millimeter, which is really incredible. Um and it's cool. And it's it's cool. A
Andrew reasonable price. 39.5mm
Everett Salita SW300, which is a great choice, 200 meters of water resistance. Um,
Everett and it's 2550, right? $2,550
Everett if you can get in the lottery. Uh,
Everett colors are great, which is to say it's
Everett sort of a silver with black on the underside of the sandwich and an orange seconds
Everett hand. Um and there's only twenty of them, okay? So I'm gonna grump like who's this for? Well it's for the fucking twenty lucky ass people who get one.
Andrew The 10 people who already bought and the 10 people who are about to. We salute
Everett you. This was the watch that I saw this
Everett week that I was like, what what? What are we doing? This is the watch that challenged me this week where I was like, I I'm not sure. Like this is just like like wearing
Everett a hairsuit a a a little bit.
Everett But then also I'm like, you know what? Every you need to relax because it's fucking watches.
Everett You know, I used to uh I used to work with a bar manager, and anytime when someone would start losing their shit at work, whether it's a bartender or a cocktail or
Everett he would say, Hey, you know what we do? We sell pizza and beer.
Everett And that was just intended to be like,
Everett just shut the fuck up. You're
Andrew not having a bad day. We sell pizza and beer. Uh and and and
Everett so right, we talk about watches.
Everett And and this is a watch. And I think it's
Everett it's a watch that's kind of in our space.
Everett What are your thoughts about that, Sandra? I
Andrew I like it. I I like to see brands who I don't think oak and Oscar, I don't I don't think stale is the right word for them, but just like very much in a routine. They had their kind of left and right limits established and they worked within them and they did a good job working within those parameters that they kind of arbitrarily applied to themselves. And I like seeing brands step out of that comfort zone and continue to push the envelope forward. I don't know what the uh capability of being able to produce their own dials will in the long run, do and who the fuck cares? They can do it. Right? Think remember, remember going to Vero's
Everett How exciting that was works workspace. It's exactly what popped into my
Andrew head. And and they just are running a CNC machine. They're like, oh yeah, we got you know a prototype. We just kind of we drew it up and we're gonna see how it feels. Like here's a couple of the ones that we've done up before, and you know, we decided to tweak this a little bit and tweak these this little bit and seeing that kind of unbridled creativity
Everett was so exciting. You know, I I didn't realize at that time, Andrew, I didn't realize at that time how rare that was on watches. You know, I I think I it it's probably too bold to say they were the only ones in the country that were doing that at the time, but
Everett there weren't very many. There weren't, and it's
Andrew it's proven itself an untenable business model.
Everett It was really, really
Everett cool to be in that space and to be like seeing the products come out of these CNC machines and like this is a watch that we just are fucking around with.
Andrew And to, you know, s see,
Everett you know, these watches. Yeah. So
Andrew just the the Tuesday experiment.
Everett That's right. That's right. So I and and of course this isn't exactly the same thing, but it feels similar, right? It feels like they're doing a thing.
Andrew It has that spirit of imagination and exploration attached to it and I think I hope it lends itself to more of these 20, 30, 50 piece releases where we're like, hey, we tried this new thing with a bezel or with a with a dial.
Everett You know, give it up for Oak and Oscar to be really, I mean, they're one of the OGs in the space, right? In the in the enthusiast microbrand space. They've been around for a decade now.
Andrew Yeah. Which is to say, what,
Everett 2016? Like
Andrew on the cutting, the bleeding edge of this proliferation of independent watchmakers on on the heels of people who've been doing it for much longer and paved the way. But they took they're they're one of those brands that grabbed the baton and really carried it forward.
Everett There's only a few brands that r really beat them to market. And it's like, you know, uh obviously we we talk about these brands f frequently, but they're they're uh they're old guard. I'm I'm with you though. I don't know. I don't want to put words in your mouth.
Andrew It's the spirit of innovation. And from Oak and Oscar, I think is maybe the most exciting because if you were to give me 10 brands and say who is gonna do something wildly innovative and kind of frivolous. It would not be Oak and Oscar as my pick.
Everett I think the the fairest criticism
Everett of this project is that it is the opposite of frivolous. It it's like, hey, why
Everett don't you showcase your dial making
Everett capabilities by making the same exact watch that you've been making for 10 years and go.
Andrew Yeah, well it's it but it is a little frivolous. It's like who cares if they're making dials? But I'm so happy that they are. Sure. Because it's so cool. Sh
Everett but like is it objectively
Andrew better than the dials they've been having manufactured for them? No. Is it objectively cooler in every imaginable way? Yes. Don't you
Everett wish you could have like like
Everett go back eighteen months and grab Chase Fancher by his fucking tight collar and shake him a little bit and say,
Everett Hey, make something interesting.
Andrew And then they did. Like just no,
Everett no, he didn't. He made a fucking
Everett humble. I'm sorry. If you if
Everett you listen, I know you don't.
Andrew But it's it's But if you listen to just
Everett listen to me this once. Do something different. You're doing it, you're doing something cool. Don't just make the same fucking watch you've been okay. Maybe this
Andrew is the teaser. I mean, I think designing a whole new platform around this emerging technology within their within their business practice or business processes w is a little foolish perhaps. Because then they're then they're hitching their this dial-making capability to a wagon that they don't know runs. But if they attach it to a watch that's 10 years old and kind of celebrating a 10th anniversary with a special edition, appreciating old customers and and
Everett I actually don't know how old that Humboldt is, by the way. I'm sure that's that.
Everett Take a fucking risk. Take
Everett a risk. I mean, I'm they did. They bought
Andrew a ton of machining equipment. No.
Everett Maybe. There's
Everett very little risk here. They're like, I know we can sell 20.
Andrew Yeah, yeah. Also, I do. And also
Everett people like the humble. I do think
Andrew they could have probably made more than 20. Um, I I'm excited about it. The spirit of innovation is I am here for it. Maybe, maybe you're right,
Everett Andrew. Maybe just next week they're gonna announce
Andrew what's next? Ten more.
Everett I'll be more positive. Starting right now. Uh so this
Andrew is the watch that I thought went on and off your list. Sarrow watch company.
Everett It's never on my list. I read about it and I was like, next
Andrew uh a dress watch from a company in the Netherlands. And and I I looked at this and I kind of started scrolling because I like didn't really dig the first image. It kind of looked like a a way too Fotina dress watch. I was like, eh, whatever. And I kept scrolling. And then I saw the white version, and it had my attention. So this is a 37 and 1 half millimeter case, 8.7 millimeter thickness with another point eight millimeters of crystal height, so nine point five total with crystal.
Everett I don't I hate it when companies market they're like
Everett just say it's a nine and a half millimeter one. Yeah, but but
Andrew we don't but we don't do wrist to crystal measurements like we should. Cause the wrist to crystal matters. Maybe, maybe perhaps. Nine and a
Everett half is a great number. I thought that would be
Andrew you that's why it came off of your list for a dress watch. Nine and
Everett a half is a great number. 100 meters of water resistant.
Andrew This is using an SW2101B Labyrate grade. So it's a hand cranking movement. Good price on it. So what we have here is a very vintage-inspired true three-hand dress watch with really lovely dial patterning. Um, there's the vertical, just gentle texturing on all of these dial colors. We have four dial colors. Uh they're all electroplated, vertical brushed effect, silver, gold, blue, or red. Uh the gold is not. The gold looks like uh faux tin, like tan. The red is this really lovely like raspberry sorbet closer to pink color? Lovely blued hands on these. I'm confident that you don't like the font, but I love the fonts. Wait, wait,
Everett wait. Which font do you think I don't like? On
Andrew the markers. The numerals. They're
Everett bregade. No, fuck. I love these. These are engraved, engraved, gunmetal finished, electroplated gunmetal
Everett finished engraved bregae markers. Fucking sign me up. No, I
Everett stop. All about it. Uh
Andrew I I dig these and um under a thousand. Uh
Everett no. First hundred and fifty no eight
Andrew hundred and ninety euros pre-sale for a thousand euros retail price at eleven hundred and ninety nine euros and if you want the set thirty five hundred and ninety six euros I don't wh knowy you'd want the set. I can do without the gold. I can do without the red. The blue is really lovely, but the white just pops with that gunmetal engraved marker. It just blows up. I love this. Could I could do with a different strap, but that's an easy change.
Everett Yeah. I I don't
Everett know why this went on why why this was just an instant pass for me. It was an instant pass for me. Um but
Everett I I think it's the dial. Honestly,
Everett I think it's like the dial texture is very flat, which is which is how it's supposed to be.
Everett But the case on this is beautiful.
Everett Um, sort of a three-piece case that is really well constructed, uh, at least at least on paper. Um straight
Andrew link, five-link bracelet available on it.
Everett Yeah, bead beads of rice. Oh yeah, beads
Andrew of rice. Straight link beads of rice. Beads beads
Everett of rice bracelet. Also it comes with an like potentially an ostrich leg strap if if you're into
Andrew and an ostrich leg oh like
Everett if if you're into that sort of thing um hundred
Everett meters of water no I I have a really hard time criticizing this watch.
Everett Uh with that said, I guess find it a
Everett little boring. It is. It's super it's a dress
Everett watch. They don't
Andrew have to be they don't have to be boring, but they frequently are uh dimensionally
Everett good. Out of the Netherlands, I don't know if we said that. We did.
Andrew Okay. Yeah. I like this. I do wish that they didn't have
Everett the model name signature
Andrew signed at six o'clock. I'm not sure why they have
Everett that, why they need that. I could do
Andrew without that. I'm fine with
Everett the twelve o'clock text. It feels very sort of nineteen fifties, which is a which is where the inspiration for a watch like this comes from.
Andrew I I think I would have liked to have seen Sarah watch company at the twelve o'clock and instead of signature at the six, like Netherlands.
Everett Sure. Or just open at
Everett six. Maybe maybe they thought maybe they thought because of the nature of the dial is just too much open space. But um I'm I because it's all dial. I'm okay with the handset. Yeah, it's a lot, a lot, a lot dial. That's never happened before. What what was that?
Andrew Getting invited to work. Oh. I don't know why I'm getting invited to work. Oh, there we
Everett go. So we are in, as you guys know, perhaps as you know, we are in Eugene, Oregon, which has been the site of the latest riots. Uh the latest sort of DHS-related ice riots. I say that with my tongue firmly planted in the side of my cheek because it's been
Everett they've been in the
Everett in the grand scheme of riots.
Andrew Moving on uh Everett what have you got next
Everett they've been pretty tame. I'll just I'll
Everett say that. Is that is that fair? We I we
Andrew are moving right on along with your next pick, which happens to be
Everett you don't get a you don't get a call my next pick
Everett for me. Uh no, I was cute, I was teeing you
Andrew up. Oh well there's a lot a lot of choices.
Everett I'm gonna take my time while we talk about our our riots.
Andrew I'm gonna pee on the floor. That's
Everett your floor. Go ahead
Everett Let's talk about the Christopher Ward.
Everett That's what I was gonna suggest. C60 Clipper GMT. Uh
Everett Pan Am. Christopher
Everett Ward, the British company Christopher
Everett Ward doing a Pan Am collaboration
Everett GMT watch, which perhaps
Everett not the most original
Everett idea.
Andrew And i if that's all you
Everett know about it, you might
Everett you might have you might have even sort of slightly negative thoughts. And those negative thoughts would be wrong. Because this
Everett watch is terrific.
Everett So uh famously
Everett Pan Am had the first transatlantic flight.
Everett Uh the first of those
Everett happening on what was it,
Everett February 26th, 19, oh excuse me, October twenty sixth nineteen
Everett fifty eight uh with a Boeing 707 Clipper America flying from JFK
Everett to Paris Idle Wild oh Idle Wild JFK, formerly known FKA Idlewild Airport, because it's nineteen fifty eight.
Andrew Uh they weren't naming things after him yet.
Everett From from JFK to Paris. Uh and this watch is a celebration of that achievement. It is uh it is a
Everett flyer GMT watch
Everett that comes in famous pan am colors. We've got a bit
Everett of an ivory dial. We do have some
Everett Fotina, which I I
Everett think is okay in this in
Everett this variation um with a with a
Everett 42 millimeter light catcher
Everett case so 12.45
Everett millimeters, almost 50 lug to
Everett lug, 300 meter depth.
Everett This is a big tough serious burly butch watch. On the die or on the bezel of this, um we have a twenty four twenty four time zone lay uh
Everett layout giving a
Everett a bit of a nod to our
Everett history but, also our
Everett GMT time function. So we've got sort of
Everett world time-ish
Everett feel feel. But instead of traditional
Everett world timer layout, what we've got is
Everett twenty-four twenty-four airport codes
Everett that have been historically uh
Everett important to Pan Am.
Everett Um a couple of those uh a couple of those call
Everett reference Dallas
Everett which is uh one of the earliest airports that Pan Am flew to both London and Frankfurtrom also
Everett Dallas, where Christopher Ward has its first US
Everett show. Uh we've got a um we've got a LPB for La Paz Bolivia, which was
Everett one of Pan Am's main South America destinations. And then
Everett we've got a EYW, which
Everett is key the key West International Airport,
Everett which is red, representing the airport location of Panam's
Everett first ever flight in 1927.
Everett Which is cool. On your
Everett date window, which is a dial color
Everett match to the dial date window. 26 is in
Everett blue because that is the day.
Everett The October 26th. The
Everett day of the fateful flight. The day of the fateful flight. Uh we've got a 707 as the balance on the second hand. Just like Easter egg after Easter egg on this thing. Really lovely. Very much
Everett Christopher Ward, but also
Everett very much Pan Am. The
Everett back of the the case back here is
Everett engraved with a terrific,
Everett what do they call it? Blue Meatball Pan Am logo.
Andrew Yeah, the globe. Um do you talk about the little airplane?
Everett Yeah, on the the balance is a is a 707, yeah.
Andrew And the real joy of reading this article for me was not the I mean not just the watch. There was a misprint on the bezel for Xeric. Yeah that will be corrected in production models. But it is instead of ZRH for Xeric, uh it says Z H R.
Everett Yeah. Uh which is just a fun misprint, and
Andrew I really hope the person who gets to own this model, that's the like the the favorite part.
Everett These come on a beter 3-link, but it also comes with a
Everett sort of navy pass-through textile strap. Um
Everett and they're beautiful. I think US dollars, these are $19.95
Everett for the retail price. Um
Everett which ouch there's
Andrew only seven hundred and seven of them though. And
Everett they're making seven hundred and seven, which is again an homage to the Boeing seven hundred seven that first made that transit landing flight.
Everett I really like this watch. I really like it. It's big. This is a big
Everett beefy watch as I said in with multiple adjectives earlier. But I really think it's terrific.
Andrew Yeah. 330 yes the dash two movement. This is
Everett this is delightful. Yeah. Agreed. Agreed. Well done, Christopher Ward. And Pan Amp.
Everett Does Pan Am still I don't
Everett think so. Okay.
Everett What you got? Oh.
Andrew Hanhart. I think one of, you know, we talked about this being one of my favorite watches from last year. The 417 ES has come in the in a new colorway, the Moby Dick. Uh the old white whale. Oh, white whale. So really the only difference here is that it's a white dial.
Everett But it's really lovely. So
Andrew the so-called Moby Dick is because most of these originals came with dark dials, and a few of them were produced for the civilian market uh with white dials. And so they were just a less common reference. So they were the white whale that people hunted for. Uh and now you can buy them brand new in box from Hanhart for um you know the same prices as usual. Uh on a bracelet, 2490 euros, including your VAT. So as a reminder, we have a 39mm by 13.6 uh with a big old bitch of uh of a crystal. So it's 1155 without the crystal. 46 lug to lug on it, 100 meters of water resistance, Slita SW510, hand wound chronograph. Uh just
Everett Just terrific. Uh this
Andrew white is really good, blued hands that really pop. Uh I don't I think it's just a slightly creamed color loom. I don't think this is Fotina.
Everett Yeah, no, it it's not fo I mean I I I'm with you. It is
Everett an ivory it is an
Everett ivory colored loom, but it plays more it plays more sort authentic than a than a typical Fotina. Certainly not Ken Leg tan.
Andrew Yeah. Which Christopher Ward and the
Everett Pan Am kind of does use and that's my one sort of erk about that watch. No handhart super
Everett really conservative with their super luminova
Andrew light old radium. Yep. Uh thermal blued hands. Yeah. This is a a really good execution of the white whale.
Everett And anti-magnetic on these up to 1600
Everett AM. Um,
Everett this is I don't know if that's important. Like,
Andrew I don't know what kind of magnetism I experience on a day-to-day basis. Like how anti-magnetic does my watch need to be?
Everett Yeah, I I I mean, I I don't
Everett think that you or I
Everett probably have a ton of need for that.
Everett With that said, it is a thing that people need. And and we're nerds, right? You also don't need 300 or 500 or 8 billion
Everett meters of water resistance, right? I like having
Andrew it. Bingo. There's the one.
Everett Uh you know, this is as you said, this is very much just a 417 ES, but it is a
Everett probably my favorite execution of this.
Everett What I one of the things I like, Hanhart has not until, I believe, until this watch, ever used the Moby Dick designation.
Everett Although historically that
Everett was the collector's nickname
Everett for these white dial 417s because they were tricky to get. So Hanhart
Everett has just leaned into that nickname. They've
Andrew just appropriated that's right. What was gifted to them. So
Everett these are and and these are regulated
Everett in-house. Uh tolerances of zero to plus eight seconds per day, no negative deviation allowed in their main positions.
Everett Uh and the price on these is really terrific.
Everett I mean 2500 euros, I think under 3,000 for this is just fucking rap.
Andrew I I love these chronographs. This is um these are on a short list of future acquisitions.
Everett And the size on these I I think really almost perfect. You know, l
Everett y y you did mention I just
Everett bitched about talking about both the with and without crystal, but it's important in a watch like this because you've really got a big
Andrew so two millimeters of it. A big
Everett crystal. So this is a really
Everett well-sized watch. Um,
Everett even at 136, you know, you think,
Everett okay, well that's pretty thick, but a
Everett huge portion of that. I mean, this is eleven
Everett and a half handwork chronograph until you get to that big bulb of crystal. That's a meaningful
Andrew and this is one of the few watches that I will say definitely get it on the bracelet, but I would I don't think I'd ever wear it on the bracelet. It looks so good on leather. They look so good on leather.
Everett You're not wrong. Yeah, and the and the leather they do a good job with the leather strap they sell this on. But yeah, these are great. I love the fluting on the bezel.
Andrew I love the blue hands. Yeah, thermal
Everett blue hands. Yeah. Great, really, really great release uh from Han Hart.
Everett Um, does that mean it's my turn? It is again
Andrew your turn. I am
Everett gonna talk about the
Everett uh I'm saving that one. We're gonna
Everett get to that one. I'm gonna talk about Heron. Heron
Everett has released an update to its Marinor
Everett Dive Watch. Heron being the
Everett Canadian company who
Everett has, I don't know, I I think
Everett I've probably been guilty of
Everett like poo-pooing this watch as being a little boring.
Andrew I think I overlook a lot of heron releases because they look kind of like an amalgam of a lot of other things that I like. Yeah. But I like their watches. I also really like that they found a way to incorporate a pack of new ports into their product photography.
Everett Yeah, they did. Like they did
Everett do yeah, twenty twenty-six.
Everett Uh as recently as twenty twenty
Everett three Heron was crowdfunding
Everett watches. Um that's
Everett that's over. Those those times are
Everett over. Added
Everett to this re-release of the Marinor is case hardening, 1200 HV
Everett scratch resistance. The Marinor is a 39 by 46 millimeter, 250 meters of water
Everett resistance, 12.2
Everett thick, which is a.7 reduction in previous. I think previously these were
Everett 13 or 12 nine thick
Everett uh we've got a box sapphire with a domed sapphire bezel
Everett insert it adds
Andrew a lot of texture and depth. Like it it's like got topography.
Everett Yeah. That's the top of this watch. And
Andrew it's a very apparent. Crown guard
Everett on this guy. Maybe you like that. Maybe you don't. I
Everett think it works really well with the sort of angular
Everett case style that they've gone with here. A flat three row, a flat link three row bracelet, uh with an um
Everett adjustable sort of on the fly adjustability um I think it's like a push and slide micro
Everett adjustment 20 millimeters at the lugs. Uh
Everett and two new
Everett colors. So previously for
Everett this we had sort of a I think a really, really nice dark blue, sort of slight ombre finish dial, and then a black with gilt. We've added a lighter blue and a green.
Everett We've added a lighter blue and a
Everett green, uh with the green using the aforementioned uh Newports, they called that green
Everett not Newport, which I would have liked, but rather menthol,
Everett which I'm
Everett fine. I'm fine. I fucking
Andrew love that. Thanks, Heron.
Everett Thanks, Heron. Great case back on these. Um
Andrew yeah, really cool. Um this is laser etched. It's gotta be it
Everett is, but it looks like it's uh it looks
Everett like it's hand engraved. It
Andrew does. So I uh growing up my
Everett there's a face, there's a profile of a face on that. I
Andrew want to tell like tell you about this. So this is that very like 1930s 40s kind of slouch hat with a bill. Some would call it a maybe a bus driver hat. Sure. Uh with this bearded fella smoking a a pipe. Growing up, my grandparents had this portrait in their living room of my grandpa on like a little little skiff boat in this bay outside of where they lived in Alaska. And
Everett it was this it's no, it like this
Andrew is my grandfather. That's awesome. That's that portrait that hung on their in their living room for my entire life. And it was like it was kind of painted in the in the feel of like a self-portrait but clearly somebody else painted it and it was like thinking back on it it's the weirdest thing to have I mean it was that big it it was it was four feet wide and and two and a half feet, maybe three feet tall.
Everett Huge, beautiful landscape behind
Andrew him, because it's Juneau,
Everett Alaska.
Everett But just a weird like
Everett portrait of yourself to
Andrew be so like proudly displayed in your home. I don't know. I can't imagine having just a big ass painted portrait of myself prominently displayed in my home. I think
Everett it's fantastic. It's weird
Andrew thinking back on it. But I absolutely love that. Right as soon as I saw his case back, I was like, I've seen this before. Because he's got a pipe in his mouth and everything, like big bushy red beard, this bus driver hat. Uh yeah.
Everett $640 for these. That's
Andrew the real win here. So when I said it was kind of like an amalgam of other things that I like, um it's because it does, it has it does a lot of the same things that a lot of watches that we've talked about, not today, but uh we've talked about a lot. Um the colors feel kind of like baltic y, the the
Everett the everything about it kind of feels familiar,
Andrew but they're doing their own thing and they're doing it at a really aggressive price point. Like this flat-link bracelet with the domed sapphire bezel insert, the big ass box crystal, like this just everything about it works, and menthol as a colorway is baller.
Everett Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I I'm I'm
Everett I'm with you. Um, I I I sort
Everett of hesitate to say, oh, this reminds me of that and this reminds me of that because they've done a good job making their own watch.
Everett With that said, I
Everett think our point is we've maybe sort of for whatever reason not latched onto this, but it's six hundred and forty bucks.
Andrew Uh it's hard not to. Yeah.
Everett Latch onto it. Lat latch on. I I d
Everett I I you know, I'm I'm maybe not a buyer
Everett for this, but that has to do more with
Everett where I am in my watch
Everett experience, than it does anything to do with this watch. I think if you're buying a watch today, if you're sort of building out a collection,
Everett gosh, I'm really excited about this watch,
Everett I think. I'm excited about this kind of addition
Andrew into that affordable space, right? We have a really well spec'd, attractive, thoughtfully designed dive watch coming in at under a thousand dollars. And I'm not a buyer for this either, but it's because this there's a I already have
Everett things that this this creates a lot of overlap. That's
Andrew right. I'd rather hold on to my six fifty and and apply it towards getting a Piaget 79.
Everett Yeah. That's right. Uh yeah, I I think the point we're trying to make is just this is a great watch and it's probably on us that we've not that
Everett we've not really been on
Everett this before. And it's been around for a while. In fairness to us, they're
Andrew 2023 was their first release, right? 2020.
Everett No, they're a 2021 company. The Marinor came out in 2023, which was a crowdfunded. So in fairness to us, the last time the Marinor was released, it was crowdfunded. And that's something that we've shied away from a little bit on this show. Not not
Everett completely. Sometimes it
Andrew causes some skepticism. Look at the
Everett heron. That's the that's the point we should make.
Everett Look at the Heron. This is a cool watch. If you're
Andrew if you're in the market for a six hundred
Everett and fifty dollar dive watch,
Everett five hundred dollar dive watch, whatever it is, this is worth this is worth looking
Everett at. Agreed.
Andrew I IFL watches Super Seville number four.
Everett This is the Super Sevilla. Oh yeah,
Andrew Sevilla. Or Seville has been
Everett uh has that been the
Everett like the the platform. The platform for IFL.
Andrew It seems like we've seen a lot of these. Oh yeah. That makes sense.
Everett Yeah. Uh number four, risky
Andrew riches, and this is featuring the Monopoly guy in a really fun way. It's got a uh kind of old school feeling. Um oh what's the word I'm looking for? Slot machine, sure. Wheels, spinning, gold all over the place, money bag or money sign eyeballs. Reaching out the the date window serves as the big red ball for which to actuate the uh the slot machine. Why is that? That keeps eluding me. I don't what I don't even want to what I want to call it. Well I want to call it a money machine, but that's not what it is.
Everett Slot machine? Yeah, but it keeps eluding
Andrew me. Oh, and then I keep wanting to say money machine. Um which is not what they use. This
Everett is why Andrew's not allowed to go back to Vegas. These
Andrew are not ATMs. They actually they're reverse ATMs. You just keep putting monies in it and then and then they don't come out. Um, but then when they do, they come all at once. Um limited edition, three hundred pieces, uh, eleven hundred and ninety bucks. I l I you know, every time I see an IFL Super Seville, I'm like, man, I love this platform and I think I want one. And then I look at them again and I'm like, I think I don't want one. But I do. I I love the IFL watches uh artwork on these. I think this is a fantastic platform for this type of application. And I love
Everett it. Do you think I
Everett don't believe Hasbro's money man is
Everett in the public domain. I don't know that for sure. Maybe I'm wrong about that, but I don't think it's old enough.
Everett I always feel a little risky in that regard. Oh Oh
Andrew risky riches. Maybe.
Everett Maybe that's a middle finger. It could be.
Andrew And I think it's also like. I mean, has has bro money man IP?
Everett Is this put perhaps licensed? I
Everett don't. It doesn't,
Andrew it's not licensed. Uh
Everett I, yeah. Maybe it is public domain. Maybe I'm just wrong about that. It's a c it's a really cool dial. Uh and the artwork here works for me in a way that's sometimes IFL's artwork doesn't work. I think this is pretty cool. Um, and I don't always feel that way about IFL, but
Andrew it he's gotta still be in the vault, in the IP vault. It's a hundred years. Um
Everett Yeah, that's what I was thinking. This Monopoly's
Everett not Monopoly's not a hundred years
Andrew old. No. I think there's I I I think maybe you could there's enough artistic license taken to perhaps have legs to stand on.
Everett Sure. And also like I one
Andrew would think that Bulva
Everett How many pieces here? I mean really limited. Three
Everett hundred. Three hundred pieces. Really limited exposure in that regard.
Andrew 77 would have been a better option.
Everett Oh, look, here's a comment on Fertello. Much of the
Everett uh risk here is about how close Bolova
Everett can get to Hasbro's IP without getting sued. And this says,
Andrew I don't think, second comment, I don't think Bolova
Everett has to worry about anything here. They sell watches to IFL for an agreed upon price, and that is the end of Bolova's involvement. Then IFL goes off and does whatever they want with the watch. But I do agree, IFL might be flying too close to the sun. Okay. Well, that's from the comment section on the Fratello article that will be linked in the show notes, uh which is to say those are just people on the internet talking.
Andrew Yeah, I just like we're people
Everett on the internet talking. My IP
Andrew uh expertise is pretty limited. I know that we are not supposed to play music that isn't licensed on our show. Um and our music is licensed. Like
Everett we would never, for instance, play Wes Walker
Andrew Junior and Dill's Jordan Belfort
Everett on this show. We would not.
Andrew Because we don't want to get cease and desist letters.
Everett Um, Andrew, can I talk to you for just a
Everett second about can
Everett I talk to you for just a second about Astro
Everett and Banks? No. Full disclosure, people.
Everett Andrew Perez is one
Everett of my very good friends. One of
Andrew my favorite people on the planet. One of
Everett our favorite people. He is look
Everett like you are not uh the
Everett the words that are gonna come out of our mouths in the next
Everett three to four minutes are
Everett not objective criticism.
Everett These are these are gonna
Everett be the words of friends of Andrew Perez talking about his new release that we first got eyes on in New
Everett York back in October. And
Everett I fucking love it. Okay. What this is, they're calling this, Andrew's
Everett calling this the Terra Scout. This is a
Everett field watch. It comes with Which is Earth,
Everett Earth Scout. Two dial
Everett colors, white and black. Both of these are three tiered sandwich dials. White is a fully loomed dial. Black is negative of that with loom appearing in the cutouts of the sandwich. Uh these have a these have a SW300 movement.
Andrew You say W SW300
Everett movement with a or excuse me, no, a Le Joupre G100 movement
Andrew with with a
Everett a very interesting date complication, which is a
Everett full thirty-one day rotation around the inner track and an indicator on the appropriate date.
Andrew That sucks. This dial's upside down.
Everett Um Um yep. Yep. Uh
Andrew 38 and a half millimeter case. Pretty 12.4 thick. 10.4 without the crystal. That's a big difference. That's why we talk about crystal versus case height of Brit.
Everett Pretty busy for a field watch. Definitely
Everett not your traditional field watch. We do
Everett have a we do have quadrants on the minute track with
Everett f alternating blue
Everett and green loom, b the main loom on this watch being blue, so that green gives you just a little bit of a little zhu. It's a little something some a little gené so qua That's French. For something some.
Andrew I don't know. It's I'm telling you. We get three That's what it means.
Everett Something something I
Andrew don't know what. Uh
Everett three uh metal options. Actually one metal option and three different varieties. We've got a uh Sarakoat.
Everett Is that just is it coyote
Everett tan? What is it? What are we calling it? He's calling it
Andrew uh desert sand seracote. It kind of is like coyote FDE. Yes.
Everett Yes. We also have sandblasted silver steel, or you can get black PVD. All three of these available in all three of the cases. Um,
Andrew yeah, what more to say? Full loom white is baller.
Everett Yes. Desert Sam listened to a hundred pieces.
Andrew I think those were gone.
Everett Are they gone? They
Andrew might be. Well, I
Everett don't know I'll go to the website, I'll check. Uh
Everett 975 for
Everett the pre-order on the desert sand, 875 standard edition pre-order price. Uh full retail is eleven ninety five and nine ninety five.
Andrew Yeah, the Sarakoat is sold out.
Everett Okay. Well I
Andrew have to holler at my boy. We'll have to
Everett call him and say, hey Andrew, we've said all these really nice things
Andrew about you. Make a thousand and one, please.
Everett Give give me them give me them good.
Everett Um yeah. Not a this is a we I
Everett love this watch. I love this watch. My favorite detail
Everett is the lugs and in
Everett person this is the this is way
Everett more noticeable it's the star of the show yes these lugs what what are we gonna call these can I call these a claw foot
Andrew lug? I'm g sayonnaing claw foot also.
Everett Oh really? Is that where your head was at? Yeah.
Everett Clawfoot lug. There's probably
Everett a better name for them. Not gonna learn it.
Andrew Real sharp. Real sharp downturn.
Everett With a bit of with a bit of a scoop. With a bit of a scoop.
Andrew Yep. A little bit of a scoop. And they're they're a ball. There's four of them. If you were. And if you were to set it down, they would support the watch, like claw foots.
Everett That's right. I had a joke and I'm not gonna say it. It's totally inappropriate.
Everett Uh what's
Everett next, Andrew? Uh
Everett we've got at least we've got at least one more watch that we need to talk about. Okay. Um uh I'd
Andrew like to talk next about
Everett oh oh how about this? The
Andrew main Hudson thirty eight MK five. Um
Everett You think MK five or Mark V?
Everett Well there's just two letters.
Andrew There's no R. Okay. So much like MK Ultra, it's not Mark Ultra.
Everett Okay. Uh that
Andrew would be a cool name, Mark Ultra. Yes, so the Hudson 38 Mark V MK Vall It for What You Will. This is a obviously the fifth edition of the Hudson. And this is a, ooh, here we go. Hang on, hang on. 38 millimeter, 47 lug to lug, 13 thick, 300 meters of water resistance, powered by a LeJoupure G100, uh
Everett all for, well,
Andrew about $1,000 on a bracelet, including Vat. This is good. So the upgrades from four to five. Where are we at? I have to scroll back up. New sandblasted texture dial, which is it's just a sandbusted textured dial, right? There's nothing particularly special about this. Uh This is good. This like in the way of just kind of iterative improving on a watch, this is good. And I like it. And it's under a thousand bucks. They've slimmed it down. I don't remember what the previous edition version was in the way of thickness. 13 millimeters for a 300 meter dive watch. Yep. I'm here for it. I like the texture on the dial. I like the simplicity of the fonts. I like the fonts on the bezel. They like kind of digital display. Uh I like it. This is a perfectly unoffensive thousand dollar dive watch. Ceramic insert. It's the things.
Everett Yeah, I think it's great. I mean, we've got certainly the digital text on the DAO is a very much Rolex, but the watch doesn't feel overly sub-y, although it's clearly a sub homage.
Everett I don't mean that in the like s I don't mean that in the
Everett capital H homage sense,
Everett but there's clearly a lot of sub happening here, but the dial's their own thing i i mean really the whole watch is their own thing i love the minute track on the rehout uh
Everett i actually think this watch is k a
Everett killer value i at a thousand
Everett bucks i think this watch is a killer
Everett value. The five
Andrew link bracelet, not
Everett it's it's a five piece three link bracelet. Uh to my eye looks incredibly well
Everett done for the price for the thousand
Everett dollars you're gonna pay for this. Also,
Everett the profile view on this watch,
Everett the case finishing looks phenomenal. The case back here again, we've got sort of a Rolex-ish
Everett caseback, uh which is to say
Everett we've got sort of a fluted uh although you also have like standard standard uh notches in the case back to unscrew it. Um man, this thing is really well done. I think for the thousand bucks you pay ceramic micro adjust or on the fly adjustment on
Everett the bracelet. Jeez Louise.
Everett I this is a great value. Yeah,
Andrew it it's yeah, this is money.
Everett Really, really, really good value on this.
Andrew And if you look at the wrist of crystal, even considering it's a 13 millimeter, if you look at that profile.
Everett Yeah, I mean it's got a big bubble crystal on this
Andrew too. Yeah. Yeah.
Everett Yeah, I I do um I do
Andrew know that Maine is one of these companies
Everett that, you know, occasionally people
Everett will say, oh, this and that. They've had a few sort of problematic Reddit posts about their QC and customer service over this. So so your mileage may vary in that regard. With that said, I think
Everett the vast majority of their companies have
Everett these watches that they're happy with. Seiko
Andrew is famous for misaligned stuff.
Everett Right. Right. Like it's a thing. Yeah.
Andrew It's almost such a thing that one starts to think that perhaps Seiko does it on purpose.
Everett Right. Um,
Everett I I think the last watch I want to talk about, I'm
Everett not sure if that's the last watch we're gonna talk about because Andrew's got Andrew's got agency. He's I make decisions here.
Everett He makes decisions. I peed on the floor. Uh I we don't do this
Everett very often, uh, but we're gonna do
Everett it today because uh
Everett Michael Peñate was the only person
Everett I could find that had
Everett read uh written about this release. So we're gonna link to a two broke watch knocks article in our
Andrew show notes, and there's nothing wrong. We we
Everett don't avoid that specifically, it's just sort of little atypical. Um But m Michael had written about this watch that uh came my way uh via Reddit, uh
Everett specifically the It's About Time Newsletter wrote about this.
Everett Citizen introduces an affordable
Everett 39.5mm Pro Master Land GMT
Everett watch for 2026. This is
Andrew an Eco Drive Land
Everett GMT. And man,
Everett I'm really into this. This has
Everett got a bit of a Raymere's vibe. It
Everett is a 39.5mm GMT with a bucket load of water resistance. Great
Everett sort of 200 meters water resistance, I should just say that. Uh ISO standards, um ISO standard compliant, GMT hand, really, really terrific texture. Now, in the United
Everett States, they've released this in red with a stainless fixed 24-hour bezel. Uh the texture on this is
Everett pretty aggressive. Pretty aggressive.
Andrew Yeah. I like it, but
Everett it might not be your thing. Uh
Everett the the gold 24-hour
Andrew hand contrast against the red is phenomenal.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. These are 600 bucks, 595 bucks in the United States. Uh,
Everett which I think is a
Everett really, really good price. You're not going to uh I mean this is citizen right you're not good this bracelet is
Everett gonna be exac it this is
Everett exactly the bracelet you expect. Is
Andrew there something goofy happening on the flip-lock side of the bracelet?
Everett Oh yeah, I've seen that picture. What what do you what
Andrew I'm it's not a link attaching that flip lock side to the bracelet. It's like
Everett it's just folded metal with a rivet. Yeah. That's how that construction goes. So i i
Everett this is not like compare
Everett this to prel
Andrew say the pin and collar link like pins in these bracelets uh I broke my nighthawk bracelet trying to size it you you're you're
Everett this is not this is not like compare this to
Everett the heron for, instance. You're not getting the same look.
Everett With that said, this
Everett is still very, very cool. Now, the thing that got
Everett me, so this actually this version of this watch
Everett didn't get me super excited. With that said
Everett on the citizen Hong Kong
Everett website right now they
Everett have this in four versions
Everett so there is the red that you can get on the US site
Everett there is a blue,
Everett very similar to the red, but with a sort of a denim blue dial. There is a praise the Lord, a full black dial.
Andrew Textured, still still textured. Ooh, I do like.
Everett But with a red GMT hand with red accents, sort of a crimson GMT in accents.
Everett And then, and then there is a PVD comes on a a PvD
Everett two-tone PVD, so like a gunmetal
Everett PVD case with a black PVD bezel
Everett with a green dial. And
Andrew I see you. I see
Everett you. This one does not come on a bracelet.
Andrew I'm okay with that. Um I don't like it, but I'm
Everett okay with it. Yeah. Because this
Andrew bracelet is kind of a throwaway. A
Everett little bit that's right that's right
Everett um i i will say the hong kong website lists
Everett these at 38.6 millimeters
Everett i do not so
Everett the US website says 39 and a half on the red. The Hong Kong website has four of these, including the red listed, all
Everett of them at 38.6
Everett millimeters. I I do
Everett not believe that they have two different
Everett sizes of that. I just don't believe it. I think
Andrew the Hong Kong website is probably not accounting for Crown Guards and Crown. Just case diameter absent crown guards.
Everett You think that's a sufficient margin
Andrew of error. That's more than a millimeter,
Everett though. Those crown guards are more than a millimeter. Though that's three millimeters easily, maybe four millimeters of crown guard.
Andrew Maybe it's not accounting for the crown, which is this fantastic citizen nurled big old like tool watch crown.
Everett I think that there is a question mark about how big this watch is.
Andrew There there is a question mark, yeah. I
Everett think I think we have to leave it at that for the
Andrew profile view on this watch, this mid-case is like pure 90s, like sultry, soft,
Everett round. I'm gonna say 2000s, but I'm with
Andrew you. Yeah. Uh I I am for it. Yeah. Yeah,
Everett I get Ray Muir's vibes. I
Andrew I get like the legs of like the fertility statues, like the women in those like fertility statues. Get the fuck out of that. That's what those look like. Tell me that's not like a fertility statue thigh.
Everett Andrew, other things, what do you got?
Andrew Uh okay, so my kids know how to work Netflix, uh, which is fine, whatever. Usually I hate what they find, and they stick with age-appropriate stuff, so like I'm I'm not like lamenting it. They started watching Mark Roberts Crunch Labs on Netflix. And man, I just could not be more excited about this kind of television. Right? Because every once in a while, like I come downstairs and they're watching like Mr. Beast games, and and you know what? Good for him. He's made a bucket load of money and he does fun stuff and kids love him and also like come on like we can we can do better than that this guy does do better than that. So for those of you unfamiliar somehow with Mark Rober, um he is a social media YouTube guy who He's a
Everett NASA engineer. Can we leave this he's
Andrew he who left his engineering job at NASA uh after he worked on To make
Everett porch pirate glitter bombs. Yes.
Andrew So after he helped design the bur like the the terminal landing stage of the Mars rover. He's like, I think I'm gonna
Everett I'm gonna make glitter bombs. I think I'm gonna make glitter bombs.
Andrew And that's what he did. So he got on YouTube and he started doing all this like crazy stuff and then started doing longer videos of like cool engineering. And there's two seasons available of his show. Squirrel,
Everett Squirrel Obstacle. Squirrel Ninja Warrior.
Andrew Uh Octopus Ninja Warrior, but in, you know, obviously in a tank. I
Everett the the kids love it. I love it
Andrew because they're watching a dude doing STEM stuff in a fun way and they're just enamored by it, right? There and he he he talks in a really he's doing pretty high level engineering but makes it really palatable and really engaging for kids, uh, such that like I I think we are gonna get the kids the the crunch labs like STEM kits, which are like a monthly subscription of the where you get like a STEM toy and then a corresponding QR code to watch the video of like how to build it and why it works and like kind of a non-traditional approach to engineering and to science. And I love that like making this stuff palatable and showing kids that it can and probably should be fun. He made a like an actual pool of jello, um, which I guess is hard. And then when he explains why it's hard, I'm like, oh, that makes sense. Because I would not have been successful in this. And and and after my first attempt of just like a red pool of sugar water and failed gelatin, I' Id'd be like, well I guess I'll move on to the next cool thing. Um, but that's his thing. And uh the kids love it. There's I don't know how many episodes, eighteen or so episodes on Netflix. Uh they're fairly short, but they're all like really wholesome and really engaging. And also like uh they're not watching just shit. It's it's like the the SEO designed way to like engage with kids, but the material that they're engaging with is perhaps my favorite available on Netflix, in that they're seeing problems presented and seeing somebody think through the problem in a brilliant way. And I love it. So we've been watching it together. It's awesome.
Everett I'm a huge Mark Robert fan.
Andrew Yeah, I mean, what fucking rocket scientist is like, I think I'm gonna go watch it. I'm gonna go make YouTube videos. What an asshole. Like can you imagine being that smart?
Everett And at this point, you know, he's I I assume doing
Everett all right for himself. Yeah, he he's probably
Andrew he could probably retire. Um
Everett I watched a movie right
Everett before I came over here,
Andrew Andrew. And I will
Everett admit to having uh
Everett having been brought to tears a
Everett little bit, a little bit. Uh within about
Everett within about a half hour of me coming over to your house
Everett tonight. I watched a new Netflix documentary
Everett about a 45-year-old event.
Andrew Specifically Oh, I almost watched this today.
Everett The nineteen eighty uh the nineteen eighty US Olympic hockey team that famously de defeatfeated the USSR
Everett team before going on to defeat Finland for the gold medal. Um in the nineteen eighty Olympics, previous formerly, you know,
Everett n expected to finish somewhere between
Everett 7th and 12th in the Olympics, win it all at a time
Andrew where there were 12 teams. At
Everett a time when the United States was really,
Everett really, really struggling in many respects, um you know, economically and just sort of the spirit of the country was down.
Everett It was a moment, right? This This documentary is so good,
Everett Andrew. It's so good. Even if you know the story.
Andrew No, everyone knows the story. Everyone's watched Miracle on Ice.
Everett That's right. Even if you know the story. Is it
Andrew just miracle or is it Miracle and Ice? It's so
Everett there's a movie from 1981 called
Everett Miracle and Ice that I think very few people have seen. There's a 2004 Disney movie called Miracle starring Kurt Russell, that I think many more
Andrew people have seen, and now there's a
Everett Netflix documentary called Miracle
Andrew The Boys of Baby.
Everett And it is just really, really
Everett lovely. Really
Everett lovely. Really well done. Um one of the things I'll just provide this nugget. One of the things that I think I was previously
Everett maybe unaware of, and
Everett and Miracle does a little bit of work on this, the Kurt Russell character, Herb,
Everett who Kurt Russell plays Herb Brooks in Miracle, and he's sort of a cantankerous guy. Um, but this movie
Everett really does a good job
Everett talking about he's an enigmatic guy, Herbrooks, the coach of that team.
Everett But I think the movie without dwelling on it does a really, really, really
Everett good job displaying why he
Everett probably more so than any other person, certainly more than the players, was responsible
Everett for that victory. A really
Everett discreet kind of old
Everett school approach to coaching
Everett that wasn't, it's not all roses,
Everett right? There are in fact some bad
Everett some bad words uh and some bad expressions targeted at him, but when you when you back away from it
Everett and you look at the things he did, and the way
Everett he did those things, he was uh uh
Everett not a man of many words, and the
Everett few words he did have were oftentimes harsh, very rarely loving or friendly.
Everett Uh, but you hear about this, this movie does a really good job of saying,
Everett this is all Herb said.
Everett He just said this thing. And you're
Everett like, that was the fucking thing he needed to say, right? Like it's very easy in retrospect.
Everett But not part of the story. I think historically, really
Everett not, really not
Everett the public doesn't say, oh, Her Brooks, Her Brooks.
Everett After watching this, I am just really enamored by his personality. And I think that there's some lessons to be had there. Uh
Everett the way he treats uh the
Everett way he treats the players, the way he treats the teams, the way he keeps distance, uh, the regret he has about that distance, but also sort of unapologetically. So anyway,
Everett I think it's just fantastic. I loved
Everett it. I recommend you watch it. I loved it. I loved it.
Andrew And the title, The Boys of Eighty, it it is is so fantastic. The oldest player on that team, there's two of them. They were twenty five.
Everett Yeah, that's right. That's right. And
Everett and most of them are teenagers. Yeah.
Everett That's right. Nineteen ranging
Andrew from nineteen to twenty-five, this entire roster. Most of them nineteen, twenty, twenty-one. Uh the Russian the Soviet Union team, dudes in their thirties, late twenties, like Yeah, we're we're a few years away from this
Everett changing, but that was still in the old
Everett days of the Olympics where the United States
Andrew is putting up true amateurs
Everett and playing against pros when they travel. So that of course, famously that changes. Uh r really eighty eight and
Andrew then and then famously in nineteen ninety
Everett two with the dream team. What?
Andrew Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That that was a that was a significant uh paradigm shift in the Olympics.
Everett But these kids are college grads who have never played in the NHL, who are hoping to play, and often and and many of them do play later in the NHL, but
Andrew or are currently playing in college.
Everett That's right. That's right. So pretty cool, really a fun story, even if you know it I rec,ommend watching it.
Andrew It's a different telling of that
Everett story than you've had. I mean we've all watched
Andrew a hundred true crime documentaries on the same topics. Uh right. How many many, how Zodiac Killer documentaries do you think you've watched? Many. Yeah. More than a dozen.
Everett That's right. Um Yeah,
Everett I I just thought. I just thought this was great. Uh,
Everett my favorite part about it was commentary, not just by Al
Everett Michaels. So, Al Michaels, unsurprisingly, is an important part of this story because you know he's the guy who's there he's doing the announcing but also
Everett George Will talks
Everett a lot they get George Will to talk
Everett about this event uh I which I just found delightful.
Everett Um, and anyway, that's all I have to say
Everett about it. But go watch it, you're gonna see it. It's brand new on Netflix. Just
Andrew watch it. Love Al Michaels.
Everett He's great, he's really good.
Everett I I think almost everybody they
Andrew talk to in this thing tears up a little
Everett bit at some point, or at least gets a little bit
Andrew right, you know, hosting the Olympics and being this underdog, defeating the you know, we're we're like in the throes of the Cold War still, and then defeat the the Soviet Union at like
Everett in our home. Uh
Andrew yeah, I mean just that story alone. If that were the storyline, if even if the US team had gone into it as the favorite and wins, this is still a fantastic storyline. But the fact that they were this like ragtag group of Island of Misfit Toys
Everett Bears that were that were brought
Andrew together and achieved.
Everett Going up against Ivan Drago. Yeah.
Everett If he dies, he dies. Uh
Andrew yeah, and then and they they did it. It was a huge unifying moment for
Everett America. Yeah. Real really, really, really fantastic story. Good movie about that fantastic story.
Andrew Uh I do hope that Lindsay Vaughn gets healthy enough to ski.
Everett How old is Lindsey Vaughn? She's forty. Yeah.
Andrew I mean just think of how long you were late. I've been out for four months and I don't even know exactly what happened.
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