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Legacy Watch Brands Have a Great Week (377)

Published on Mon, 19 Jan 2026 22:01:30 -0800

Synopsis

In this episode of Forty and Twenty, hosts Andrew and Everett dive into the latest watch releases from LVMH Watch Week and other brands. The conversation opens with casual banter about college football and Andrew's burnt ends cooking experiment before transitioning into watch discussions.

Major topics include Hamilton's Resident Evil collaboration watches, particularly a gilt version that Andrew finds compelling; Tag Heuer's expanded Glass Box collection now in 41mm and the stunning Carrera Seafarer Chronograph with tide complications; and Gerald Genta's new Geneva time-only watches that bring the brand's distinctive aesthetic to a more accessible $25,000 price point. The hosts also cover releases from Zenith, Yema, Omega's new panda-dial Speedmasters, Oris's 38mm Big Crown Pointer Date with bullseye dial, and VPC's ultra-thin Type 39 VM diver. Throughout, Andrew and Everett offer their characteristically candid opinions, with Andrew praising thoughtful design executions while Everett occasionally takes issue with seemingly arbitrary specifications like watch thickness. The episode concludes with "other things" recommendations including the time-travel series 11/22/63 and Guillermo del Toro's Frankenstein film.

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Speaker
Andrew Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to Forty and Twenty, the WatchClicker Podcast with your hosts, Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here, we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, how are you? I'm good.
Everett I'm good. I don't have anything super
Andrew duper to report. Um Um we just watched a really good college football national championship game.
Everett National championship game just ended. Miami
Andrew played Indiana really well. Uh and ultimately did not win.
Everett Yeah. So again, we can say
Andrew at least we lost to the national champions.
Everett Yeah. Uh that's not
Andrew a good feeling. Yeah, no, I but at least we can say How are you doing, Andrew?
Everett Uh I'm good.
Andrew I I don't know, it's a it's a weird day. Like I I didn't I didn't work a whole day because I'm like, eh, it's a holiday. I got to work. Really no one was there. It's the national championship day. So I'm like, eh, I'll just go home. I made some burnt ends. They turned out pretty good. Uh I made burnt ends with chuck roast, which I haven't done before. And they're notably different than brisket burnt ends, or like really any other variety of meat burnt ends. Unsurprisingly. But when they're fresh and hot, man, they are a very acceptable uh uh replacement. Once they've cooled down, uh, I think I don't I actually don't know the science behind why they are, but they get tough once they've cooled. Um So I don't I don't understand the science there. But uh they turned out good. They were really yummy. I had them on top of a Caesar salad, uh, which was yummy. Um, other than that, you know, just chugging along.
Everett I like it. Mm-hmm. I like it. Yeah. Um
Andrew oh I had a weird thing happen. Uh I ordered some things from Amazon this uh this weekend, yesterday, in fact. Uh and today I got shipment notifications. And immediately following my shipment notification, I got an unable to ship notification. Was it what did it say? It said, um, problem during shipping, which I've never seen before. Um, and upon further digging, it's because the item that I purchased broke like in the intervening period between leaving the warehouse and actually getting on its shipping truck.
Everett And it was mineral oil, so so
Andrew it was noticeable, I'm sure. Yeah. And it got returned and immediately uh refunded, not replaced. So I have to order it again.
Everett Oh, interesting. Rather than them just being like, oh yeah,
Andrew shit. Okay. We'll send you a new one. They
Everett must have like uh left hand, right hand separation there for some reason.
Andrew Yeah. It was uh so an interesting um but it was it was a weird email to get. I was like, what is like am I gonna get a new one? What's what's happening here? Why are why are you unable to ship?
Everett Uh so yeah, uh for those of
Andrew you who don't know, problem during shipping means that they broke it. Mm-hmm and they're sorry. But you're not gonna get a new one, you have to order
Everett it. Yeah. Again. 'Cause I
Andrew already got my refund. They're
Everett like just give things up money back. Let them figure out what to do with X.
Andrew Yeah. Order a new one or don't. But you don't have to pay for that one. That one's on us.
Everett It's funny. Um yeah. I guess that makes sense.
Andrew Well, I would think that they would it would get returned to warehouse or like unshippable and they would just rapid fire your next like a replacement. I ordered it once. I want it. I don't care if you broke it. I I still I want a not broken one. Why do I have to order it again?
Everett So I uh I ordered, I can't remember what it was I actually ordered, but instead of the thing I ordered, I got this Christmas ornament.
Andrew Nice. Oh no, I know what it was. It was a Brata
Everett Encore grinder. This is years ago. I ordered it from Amazon. I got a Christmas ornament
Andrew that came in. That's different.
Everett Yeah. And I was like, uh And
Andrew the lucky person who ordered the ornament.
Everett And uh well, no. So when I looked up the product number for the Christmas ornament, it had been discontinued for like four years.
Andrew That's fun. So I
Everett think what happened, it was like at the holiday season. I think what happened is that someone from shipping had like my parcel got lost, and so they took a different thing and put it in a box and put my shipping label on it and and shipped it, or they they stole it from themselves, right? But it was someone at the factory was like, I don't know what to uh I'm just gonna take this thing and put it in a box and send it. And so then when I tried to return it, I said, hey, I ordered this and you guys gave me this. And they said, okay, well, go ahead and return your grinder and we'll issue a replacement. And I was like, well, I don't have a grinder. I have this Christmas ornament. And they're like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I finally get some, you know, this is get someone on the phone. And they're like, oh yeah, yeah, I remember. Okay. Yeah. So go ahead and return the Christmas ornament. And as soon as they're able to to make your return to confirm that what you returned is the same thing as what you ordered, then we'll issue a new one. And I'm like, well, hold the fuck on. That's not possible because the thing that I'm returning. And he's like, Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, I remember. Okay. So it's not gonna work, but I'll put a note in the file. So go ahead and return it. And when they get it, it's not going to be right and they're going to deny it, but there'll be a note in there. So maybe they'll catch it. And it took like three months to get my grinder.
Andrew Which is so weird because now if you have an issue with Amazon, they're like, fuck it, whatever. Just keep the thing we sent you. We'll send you a new one.
Everett Yeah, that was the that was the oh and and then they wound up. So finally, finally we figured this out. And it didn't take three months to get it figured out. So they get me a new grinder. I return the Christmas ornament. And like several months later, they issue like they pull, they claw back the refund. That's what it was. They clawed back the refund and said you returned a Christmas ornament instead of returning
Andrew There's supposed to be a note in the file.
Everett Yeah, it was awesome. Uh lots of fun. Yeah. For so it I think just having them refund the money immediately is like
Andrew which is so I and you know all my Amazon my Amazon experiences have been similar to that. I had a friend who ordered a uh mastering the art of French cooking, the
Everett two book set. And
Andrew they sent me a picture of the damaged like cardboard sleeve that the two books come in. And they're like, what up, bitch? Got it for free.
Everett Oh nice. Like, wait,
Andrew it k that's that's how book sleeves look. Like, nope, Amazon just said whatever it's damaged, you can keep it. Here's your refund.
Everett Cool. I'm like, that's not how my life works
Andrew with Amazon. What is this trash?
Everett I fight with Amazon for months over Christmas ornaments. Um yeah. In any event, we're not here to talk about Amazon shipping or burnt ends, although those are good things to talk about. Rather, we're here to talk about watches. And I'm wondering if you would just as once like to lead us off.
Andrew No. Okay. Uh
Everett I I would. I have
Andrew a thing that I'd like to talk about. Um but I don't really know where I'm gonna start with just a a a a notable thing. So Hamilton does a ton
Unknown of um I collaborations,
Andrew promotional things. I don't really know how to define this. So Hamilton has
Unknown done a uh Resident Evil Requiem
Andrew Limited Editions. And we've talked about several resident or a ton simil several Hamilton limited
Unknown editions for whether it be um
Andrew video game releases or movies
Unknown and I think I
Andrew think this is my favorite this is the first one that I'm not like ugh why'd you get so lazy so what we have here are two versions, oh boy, skip right
Unknown past it, uh two versions of the khaki field
Andrew auto chrono coming
Unknown out at twenty one hundred and seventy-five
Andrew money, so like kind of in the
Unknown zone. Um the
Andrew first is a
Unknown all black DLC case.
Andrew Kind of like a we have a 12 and a six o'clock chronograph register and a and a kind of wing towards the nine o'clock. That one it's whatever. I don't really care so much about that one. The
Unknown other is perhaps my
Andrew first and most favorite uh guilt version of a Hamilton that I've ever
Unknown seen we have on
Andrew the uh chapter
Unknown ring a gold
Andrew chapter ring with cut-in indices gold markers uh uh excuse me, gold font on the bezel, gold hands. This is
Everett really good.
Andrew Golden Noir is what they're calling it. Uh, these are gonna come out on February 27th. Uh they're limited edition. I don't see a number on it. Where are they? Yeah I don't see a number. I wonder if they're just like a limited of order availability. Do you see a number?
Everett No. Okay. Because who
Andrew cares? It's Hamilton, so it's not limited. It's just a short run of it. Um it's good.. It's fun It's my first uh Hamilton limited edition with like a media entity that I don't
Unknown hate. Yeah,
Everett I don't like them. I like the gilt one. I don't
Andrew care about the black.
Everett They're expensive. Um yeah, I think it's weird. I think these are weird. You know, that Call of Duty
Unknown Pan Europe is the is the gold
Andrew one. It's because not oh both limited
Unknown to 2000. Uh
Everett you know, when that call of duty one came out, I was like,
Andrew Yeah, it's just well, it's it was a fine
Everett watch, but it's like, what are we doing here? But these I actually just don't like.
Andrew Oh, I like this pan-Europe.
Everett Yeah, so 1475 for the Pan Europe and the Khaki Field Autoconor is 2175. I think these are weird, man.
Andrew I like the I like the guilt one.
Everett Okay. And in the way of media
Andrew releases, the these are a lot better thought out than just a khaki field with a different strap.
Everett Yeah, no, that's true. Um,
Unknown so uh there's no
Everett way to avoid it.
Andrew Today really was the first
Everett day of LVMH watch week.
Unknown Mm-hmm. Is it? Yeah, we had a lot happening this
Everett week? And so there's gonna be a whole bunch of LVMH releases. I for myself have well, several. Um and Andrew, you've got you've got
Andrew a couple. A couple as well. So I'm
Everett gonna start off with I I think it makes sense if we kind of put these together, but we've got a an upsized Taghoyer glass box
Andrew in three different colors ways, but
Everett also the Taghoyer
Andrew Carrera Seafarer
Everett Chronograph. Um, both of these have been dropped by tag, which I think is just gonna have a killer LVMH watch week. That's that's all I can figure. So to start with, um the glass box has always been 39. It is now 41 with the same thickness, which means it's gonna have, for my take, slightly improved um,
Unknown slightly improved proportions as it wears
Everett on the wrist. Um, this is uh this is an interesting move by tag because you know the
Andrew historically sort of glass box style chronographs
Everett would have been small, 35, 36,
Unknown 37. So tags kind of
Everett going bigger with these very historically shaped watches. I think it's a good move. And I think this is a really attractive watch. And I don't mean the glass box, because of course that's true, but I think a 41 millimeter glass box is really attractive.
Andrew Um Because they did color so well on
Unknown this. This like red uh this
Andrew black dial with red accents, the the red ring outside of the tachymeter, but still inside of that big ass like domed crystal.
Everett Yeah. Does such a fun
Andrew thing. Yeah. That is like I I just I want more of it. It almost looks like a uh like a a red O-ring that's sealing that the crystal into the
Everett case. I I I I see exactly what you're saying, and I I agree with you and I like that. There there is a black dial that Andrew's just described. There's a teal dial and a blue dial. The teal dial and blue dial are more monochrome.
Unknown Pass on both of those sunbursty things.
Everett Um I think they're really great. And I just think this is a fun. I think this is a good addition for tag. I think this is despite being kind of big, I think this is just a big watch. I think it's a fun addition. So 41 millimeters by 478 long, which is a great size, 1417 thick, which includes the crystal, and that's the same thickness as the OG glass box or the 39 glass box. Um, and you know, outside of that,
Andrew this is a same
Everett movement watch. It's the TH201, um, with a removed date on these um yeah, I think it's just great. I think it is it's a good diversifying move by tech. But these are these are kind of boring. They're not boring, they're just this isn't the most exciting. So the second release, I'm getting a twofer here. Well,
Andrew and just and just to be clear, we we were invited to the LVMH watch week, but we just we just couldn't make it work. The tag really wanted us to cover their watches in person and went unfortunately we just couldn't cover it. And
Unknown if they had 100% true of this such such
Andrew a boring release,
Unknown maybe we would have been able to make the time.
Everett So the second release that I want to talk about is more interesting. This is the Carrera Seafarer Chronograph. This is a callback to the seafarer Abercrombie Seafarer watches from the 40s or 50s. Um Hodinki did a seafarerit Ledim Edition release with tag last year. It was black dialed. Um, and I didn't love it. I didn't love that black dial. Although it was definitely a sexy watch, it felt like they were kind of mixing old with new in a way that I didn't like. Here we've got a sort of what I think is a more traditional metallic tan dialed version of the seafarer, uh, which is just absolutely great. So these were made, these were um very early tide graph or or tide
Unknown informing, tide complication watches
Everett that were made at the request of Abercrombie and then with the design expertise of Jack Hoyer. What we have is a glass box design, 39 millimeter glass box design watch with a tide indicator complication. Um, these are TH204 automatic watches, and this is in the permanent collection now,
Unknown which is kind of crazy.
Everett Um, excuse me, these are 42 millimeter watches, Andrew. Yeah, they're not
Unknown they're not small. I was 486
Everett by 144.. Um, but what's really so the really cool thing about this, well, there's a couple cool things about this watch. So one, the dial is great. Two, uh it's cool to have a tie graph complication. Three, the colors on these are the colors on this is just phenomenal.
Andrew It's the best execution of Fotina that has ever been done.
Everett Yeah, and I don't even know if it's a Fotina.
Andrew It's this champagne dial that isn't bright or metallic y. It looks like it was perhaps cream once, but has just kind of like
Everett weathered a little bit. But the
Andrew real magic is' in its a guilt markers right they didn't fauxina the markers they like just kind of softened the the dial color and they softened and kind of faded this turquoise and orange that's on the subdials to be not so like lustrous.
Everett Yeah. Uh it's phenom this
Andrew looks like it's from the 40s.
Everett My favorite part of this watch is besides the colors and besides exactly what you're talking about, just the spirit of it, is this pusher, this tide pusher at nine o'clock is just a sexy, sexy thing. So um I'm a huge fan of this watch. I think it's
Andrew terrific. It's not inexpensive.
Everett This is a 8300 Swiss franc watch, which probably translates to roughly 9,000 US dollars. Um, great bracelet, very attractive watch. Hoyer is back making enthusiast watches for sure at this point. And I'm like, yeah, let's do it, tag. Thanks for this.
Andrew The one thing I I have questions about is I wonder how
Unknown that end length or end link length uh once it's settled
Andrew onto the wrist. Cause that I've been muted in mid-sentences. That that's how offensive what I'm saying is.
Everett Sorry about that, Angela. You were really pissing me off though.
Andrew It's like a quarter millimeter shorter than the lugs. So when when that bracelet wraps around your wrist, I'm wondering if you're gonna get a an interesting like lug
Everett overhang. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I mean I think this is pretty typical construction for it looks drastic. Yeah, and it's more and certainly it's more than a half a millimeter. I think it's probably two millimeters, what you're talking about. So I don't know, Andrew. I don't I don't think it's a big deal, but something to look out for for sure. If you're buying one of these,
Andrew I'm just I just wonder. And there's and I don't see any pictures of it. Uh I guess that's one on the wrist. The the the height of the links seems to cover it in this one photograph. Well and these are wrist
Everett boxed at the bottom. So it the the
Unknown lugs look like it continues down
Everett in a sharp angle, but it's not. It's it's boxed. So um I it's a really good looking bracelet
Andrew though. Yeah, I I think I think these
Everett are terrific. Um what's next?
Andrew I'm a lot of things. You
Everett are not. That is not true.
Andrew Uh I have uh this is a a
Unknown brand that we have not
Andrew ever talked about. Uh Maurice de
Unknown Moriak and Racket
Andrew kicks off with the 2026 new tennis-inspired Rally Master. And I saw this watch and I was like, this is
Unknown maybe the coolest
Andrew tennis watch I've ever seen. Because you get all kinds of of tennis watches right they're like oh riesha meal does this
Everett for tennis and brand
Andrew sponsorships and relationships with tennis uh and and then you look at this dial and it's so it it's when when your brain is told this is a tennis watch, it makes perfect sense, but it's in a really subtle way. So what you have here is a 39 millimeter by 47 lug to lug, 12 millimeter thick black PVD case with 100 meters of water resistance, sapphire crystal, um
Unknown with this dial that is
Andrew all printed or not. So so you have a printed kind of railroad minute track, open circular markers for your hours, three o'clock date window with a little bit of a cyclops, and then from like three to four all the way across kind of surfboardy just a grid pattern and at the nine o'clock it's a tennis net okay just helping you out here no I know but the
Everett but when you see it you don't immediately think tennis,
Andrew and then you're told tennis, and you're like, Oh, I see it and I really like it. It's a clever interpretation of tennis for the Rally Master, which I think is super fun, a tri-colored uh subdial at the nine o'clock. The printing on the case back is like a bunch of empty concentric racket heads with a pink ball in the middle. Uh and this is just a fun
Unknown watch. It's really attractive.
Andrew It doesn't, none of it says like tennis watch.
Everett You're not gonna wear it and be like, ah, I play tennis. People are like, oh, that's an
Andrew interesting Tron watch.
Everett Uh I dig it uh
Andrew Landeron 24 automatic movement, 2500 bucks. They're only making a hundred of them. Um it's
Everett just a fun tennis-inspired
Unknown watch that unless you know it's a
Andrew tennis watch, you
Everett you don't think it's gonna be. You know, I think the so the prior iterations of this watch, this they've got like a a pink, and I think they have like a pastel green and a pastel blue. Um felt to me a little bit more um I don't know. Just gentle, right? Or maybe basic.
Andrew This one is like it
Everett in its execution, is bold in a way that I think is kind of what you're picking up on like the boldness of this watch is like whoa
Unknown whoa um and
Andrew it gives it it gives it a little bit of
Everett it gives it a little bit of like rebellious. I think that's what it is. This is like a rebellious flair
Unknown to this one that doesn't exist in the prior
Everett versions of this watch. So um yeah, you know, I I think you're
Andrew right. I don't think we've talked about prior iterations of this watch, but it definitely has a feel I
Everett think Racket is like a
Andrew hypey tennis magazine. Um but the these are cool, cool
Everett movement. I think it's too expensive.
Unknown Yeah, it's a 28-24 base. Uh I think what you're paying for is the collaboration and kind of the hype, like you were saying with racket uh the the loom on this is really fun it is the
Andrew all the markers are
Unknown in that aqua blue
Andrew the hands. Yeah. And then the sub-dial
Unknown is all like a bright yellow, kind of mimicking a tennis ball. Um fun loom layout. I think it's it's it's a fun, kind of hypey, I think is is a good way to to describe it design.
Everett Good dimensions on this. Is it's I think twelve
Andrew thick. Yeah, a little thick. Twelve thick for a three hander.
Everett Yeah. I it's all right. I mean good dimensions. It's it's a cool
Andrew watch. I'm okay with it. Uh
Everett I think my I I
Andrew really like they've got a green one
Everett of these. It's got like pink, and I'm a big fan of that one too. But um this is maybe the least feminine of all the releases that they've done of that watch.
Andrew Perhaps, yeah. Uh
Unknown yeah, I don't know why.
Everett In the interest, so I wonder
Andrew if that loom stripe in the strap
Unknown is or the the white stripe in the strap is loomed. That'd be cool. It's not. It'd be cooler if it was.
Andrew Comes with a tennis ball in the box.
Everett A pink tennis ball. This one's
Unknown black. Oh.
Everett Um, back to LVMH for me. My favorite or one of my favorite releases of last year was the Gerald Genta Minute Repeater. It was a 40 millimeter single lug watch, and I was like, golly, this thing's so cool. Uh, but it's a 35fty thousand dollar
Unknown watch, I think, or three hundred and twenty-five thousand.
Everett It's a steal. Which puts it in a world of accessibility that uh is inaccessible to me, Andrew. Um they've released a non minute or I should say two non-minute repeaters of of the same aesthetic this week at LVMH Watch Week, today even. Um, but instead of being minute repeaters, these are time only.
Andrew They're calling them the Geneva time
Everett only watch. So creative. Um, and and what these are is a very, very similar
Andrew watch to that minute repeater, at least aesthetically.
Everett They're slightly smaller. I think the minute repeater is a
Andrew 40 millimeter. These are 38.
Unknown Um but what this is is a 38
Andrew millimeter sort of um circle
Everett square oval dial thingy um that has a single lug on
Unknown either side and comes in at
Everett 8.15 millimeters thick meaning it is absolutely incredible dimensions for an automatic watch. Um we've got both a we've got both a steel, a
Unknown beautiful steel uh
Everett sort of monochrome gray version and then also a for N rose gold version which
Andrew is a real excuse me. It's not steel'.s
Everett It silver white gold. Um, and then a and then a four and rose gold version.
Andrew And this rose gold is like just the just the little of rose in it.
Everett Yeah. It is just the softest
Andrew yellow. That's right. It's not like just a little
Everett copper rose gold. Yeah. Just a little kiss
Andrew of rose in that gold. It's stunning.
Unknown And I think it's I think it's kind of downplayed
Andrew by that fantastic like rusty orange dial color that like almost makes the the rose gold look just like yellow gold.
Everett These are gorgeous, Andrew. These are absolutely gorgeous. Both of these. So both of these are sort of an ombre where we've got a railroad minute track on the outside that's underpinned by a very dark section of dial. And both of them quickly fade to give you a lighter grade, lighter hue of whether that's gray or brown towards the middle. And that Obre all happens at the
Unknown outside. So they haven't like tried
Everett to spread it out throughout the dial. Instead, it just happens right at the inside of the minute track. And so it's you almost get like a two-tone instead of a true like gradient. Uh these are grained brass dials with a slight sort of sandblast finish. Uh these have a quote unquote in-house, although not in-house, zenith elite six seventy movement. It's also
Andrew not not in-house. LVMH
Everett house Elite six seventy, so they're calling it the GG zero zero five P movement, uh, which has been reworked by La Fabrique Dutem, uh, specifically for Gerald Genta. And um these are amazingly, amazingly uh a little bit less than 8% of the cost of the minute per repeater. So what we have here is a $25,000 watch by Gerald Genta that is full gold. I saw these and I thought, oh my gosh, time only they're gonna be a hundred grand. Um I'm not gonna go out and drop twenty-five thousand dollars on a watch anytime soon.
Andrew Not today for sure, but you know, now it's possible.
Everett But oh my can I can
Andrew I coin a a phrase please here
Everett anytime you want. So I know I know they're
Andrew they're calling this the um single piece lug module. I think all I mean I I wanna call call this a a cold shoulder, a cold shoulder integrated lug.
Everett Okay. Uh does
Andrew that make sense to me? Like, oh it's a cold shoulder lug. Oh cool, yeah. No, the shoulders of the strap are exposed and a little bit in the middle.
Everett Fair enough. So that's you
Andrew heard it here first, y'all. And you'll probably never hear it anywhere else, because um, but that makes perfect sense to me.
Everett It doesn't change the fact that they heard it here first.
Andrew No. But it's it makes perfect sense. And you're welcome for that.
Everett Um these I just think these are terrific. I think these are absolutely stunning watches and I would like to have one.
Andrew I love every I I love the everything about the watch. I do not like this lug
Everett way. The style of lug.
Andrew I don't like that style of lug. I don't like the exposed strap edges. Uh
Unknown give me literally anything
Andrew else. Yeah. I w I would
Everett just be happy as a clam with this watch.
Andrew Anything else? Um
Everett yeah, permanent collection, put
Andrew it on a chain and I'm happier.
Everett Available now ish.
Andrew Yeah, they they come available this year.
Everett Yeah, January. Well, this is January. So
Unknown um yeah, I just think these
Everett are terrific. That's all I have to say about that.
Andrew Anything else for the lug? I don't know why that I just it like it feels inconven
Everett I think it's I think it's probably because you're boring.
Andrew I know that. Um basic.
Everett Yeah, basic. Uh uh.
Andrew I just I don't like uncovered leather edges on the strap. I don't like that.
Everett Next bit. Next.
Andrew More Hamilton. Uh Intramatic Chronograph H. We've got some three new colorways. Two are really good. One's meh. We have the three new colors are this really
Unknown beautiful deep navy with
Andrew white subdials, a really good green with uh cream, they're all
Unknown the same color, sundowns, like white cream.
Andrew And then the last is is a kind of brick red
Everett meh, whatever. Uh
Andrew so these are bicompacts, chronographs, 40 millimeter cases, 1435 high, which is forgivable because they're based off a 7753 or they are a 7753 movement. Um 100 meters of water resistance, and we've seen a bunch of these before. Um, but there's three new colorways. They're all available in the new permanent collection. They're calling it matte blue, warm brown, hunter green. Uh
Everett I don't accept
Andrew that the red is hunter brown? But
Everett that's I was actually just gonna say I don't think it's got all that much red in it. I mean it's definitely a reddish brown, but it's pretty brown.
Andrew But it's pretty it looks like it's brick.
Everett Okay. Right? I mean
Andrew sure. I'm with
Everett you. Yeah. It's not it's it's
Andrew the worst of the three.
Unknown The blue is really good. The blue is great.
Andrew The blue is really good. Uh all coming on weather rallies, uh a nice addition to the permanent collection. Like it it's it's another one of those Hamilton releases that you're like, wait, this wasn't already available?
Everett Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hamilton does this
Andrew thing where they just are constantly dropping things that they should have already had in the collection.
Everett Yeah. You're like, oh yeah, here I forgot we
Andrew forgot about this one. Uh
Everett these are hand wound. These are H51s. Uh what's our thickness on these?
Unknown 1435. Yeah,
Everett that bothers me. That bothers me.
Andrew It's a 7753 base. I mean,
Everett but it's it's a hand wound. It's a hand-wound chronograph. You'd think that they could get this thing down like around 13. That's that would be nice for me.
Andrew And hold 100 meters. If you're gonna give
Everett me a mechanical Yeah, hell yeah, they could. Yes, they could. They just didn't maybe well
Unknown i'm not saying no i i just i i i do see
Andrew where you're coming from but i also i i accept 14 and a half for a chronograph. I accept
Everett fourteen and a half for an automatic chronograph.
Andrew But there's no rotor here. No, I still accept the the thickness. Well, I
Everett don't. Okay.
Andrew I should I apologize to you on behalf of Hamilton?
Everett Zenith Defy Revival A364 3 a nineteen sixty-nine Defy re-release. Zenith uh is very good
Unknown at it's it's
Everett very good at issuing
Unknown its revival watches in
Everett a way that is going to satisfy
Unknown both the folks that are originalist in their interpretation
Everett and folks that want a badass modern watch.
Andrew And at satisfying both the people who are gonna buy the watch and the people who are going to critique but not buy the watch.
Everett Well and and you know what I I think w what's nice about Zenith is they are able to really, you know, span the price ranges of of you know high end luxury watches. So Zenith makes some very, very expensive wild crazy watchmaking shit. And then and then they make stuff like this, which is a, I'm just going to say something, relatively affordable entry that I think is for almost everybody. So um what this is is a faithful reinterpretation of a nineteen sixty nine DeFi reference launched with an El Primero. This watch is sort of got a monochromatic silver tone thing. It's a 37 millimeter stainless steel case with a fourteen sided bezel uh it's it's got angles
Unknown lots she got angles
Everett uh yeah this is like a
Unknown like a Rubik's Cube.
Everett Ladder bracelet. I hate it. Oh which I don't normally like, but I kind of like it here. Um very angular geometric case. Um date window at 430. I just love this thing. So again, uh Elite 670 movement made by Zenith, unsurprisingly. Uh 50 hour power reserve, yada yada yada.
Andrew Is it a citizen movement in this bitch? What's going on?
Everett And 300 meters of water resistance. This is available at $7,800. Which, yeah, I'm like, okay, Zanith. Okay. Zenith, I see.
Andrew You're talking to me now. So what I'll
Everett tell you is we do not have I hunted, I searched far and wide for a Z dimension for this watch and was not able to find it. Which makes me nervous. However,
Andrew these are gonna be 13. However,
Everett the cal caliber, the Elite 670 caliber is 3.47 millimeters tall. So but for the 300 meters water resistance, I would say that this is going to be a very thin watch with 300ers millimet of water resistance. I agree with you, Andrew. I'm guessing
Andrew you had said 300 millimeters. It will have more than that. It will be
Everett a half to thirteen on
Unknown this. Which is fine.
Everett I mean it it's a really hang
Andrew on, you just bitched about a fourteen and a half chronograph,
Everett but this is twelve and a half. I think it's gonna be sub thirteen. I think it's gonna be twelve and a half.
Andrew Okay. For a three hundred meter
Everett sport watch. Okay. I'm okay with that. Okay. Um it's not great. I would love to see
Andrew axis ten position, it seems arbitrary.
Everett Well, so maybe. But twelve and a half is objectively two millimeters shorter than fourteen and a half.
Andrew But this doesn't have a chronograph. And it's
Everett an automatic. Okay. And it's also as a
Andrew ladder bracelet. Three hundred.
Everett You know, I don't normally like a ladder bracelet, but I feel like this execution's really good. I think sometimes ladder bracelets, the the ladder portion is really wide.
Andrew Yeah, the rungs are too far apart. The rungs aren't super far apart on this, but they still exist. I don't like it.
Everett I I think this is a just a really terrific I think this is just a really terrific watch. Um, but I want this on
Andrew like an isoframe. The ladder bracelet is marmite
Everett for sure. Yeah, I I want this watch
Andrew on like an isoframe tropic.
Everett What's on next? Oh
Unknown uh the Yemma
Andrew skin diver slim CMM two point two zero is in uh bronze right now in a limited edition. So it is the uh Yemma Slim that we know and love, but in a bronze case. So it's a 39mm case, 47 lug-de-lug, 10 thick. We're getting thinner as we go. Uh 300 meters of water resistance.
Unknown The uh Yemma Morteau
Andrew 20, the CMM point two zero in-house micro rotor. Um, but it's a bronze case.
Everett I try not to interrupt you because you get grumpy, but there's this is being
Unknown released both in a limited edition and in a
Everett um and an irregular uh catalog so they've got two versions of
Unknown this the the gray this sort of ghosty
Everett gray is the limited and i think they're what 200 pieces
Andrew yeah they're only 200 and then the green
Everett is something you're gonna be able to just get all the time. And
Andrew Yemma has has really good
Unknown uh supply chain management,
Andrew so they are rarely out for months and months and months and years at a time of their watches.
Everett Yeah, I think that's right. Um I I'm you know super high on Yemma.
Unknown I think that I've been I've
Everett been verbose about
Unknown my positive feelings. I
Everett just think this is so killer. Um gosh, this one's so good.
Andrew 2249 euros for the limited edition. And
Unknown it it's like this ghosty blue-gray that's like
Everett just with black with black writing. Yeah. Yeah. I'm I'm really into the gray. I is it. I think they're already sold out.
Andrew I'm sure they're gone. Um,
Everett but the green versions, no, no slouch, man. Um yeah, these are killer, these are just killer. Yemma does a really good job. Of course. Of course, I would like a brace-up, but I think Yamma does a really good job of every time they release a watch, like just kind of like upping the ante every time. It just seems like just a little bit. Every single one of the releases builds on prior releases. I
Andrew I mean, I think there are very few brands
Everett right now that I'm as confident in
Andrew when I see a new release, you know.
Everett So oh Yama's releasing a new watch.
Andrew I'm confident I'm gonna like it. It's they have
Unknown yet to fall on their face.
Everett Kind of feels that way, right? Well, I I do think
Andrew Yama had some issues a few years
Everett back with QC and But
Andrew that was, you know, five years ago. Yeah, right. It it just seems like
Everett they have really started
Andrew to lock things in and I'm I'm pretty Um is the green version of this, Andrew, a more
Everett yellow bronze or is it just
Unknown the tone of these pictures? I think it's the pictures.
Andrew Yeah. I don't know. I I kind of wondered the same thing,
Unknown but I I really I have to think it's the pictures.
Everett Yeah. So 3.7
Andrew millimeters thick on these micro rotor CMM movements, um, which allows them to get this
Everett 300 meter watch down to twelve two. Uh with a bezel full meal deal dive watch. I think that's great. I think that's great.
Unknown Yeah. I
Everett like these a lot for twenty two hundred bucks. Yeah. Hook it up, Yemma.
Unknown I do wish there was a bracelet. Yeah, we look at this in the green in this, you see, it's
Everett just green. Yeah. Yeah, so those pictures are
Unknown are misleading us about what that
Everett actually looks like. Um I don't think you have this on your list. So or or do you have it on your list, Andrew?
Unknown I don't know. Yeah, we well,
Everett okay. I guess I'm just gonna talk about it. No, you have it
Unknown on your list. Um I
Everett think we're kind of like everything's
Unknown the same at this point. Oh I know what I'll talk
Everett about. I've got uh a couple of Omega Speedmasters I want to talk about.
Andrew These were on my list, and then I removed
Unknown them before I sent my links.
Andrew Omega just released both
Everett a 18 karat moonshine gold and a silver
Andrew and a silver um
Everett version uh steel version of the speedmaster professional
Andrew with panda dials. And they're
Everett both just terrific. These are
Andrew I think two of the most beautiful Speedmasters that have ever been released. So what we've got is a ultra glossy lacquered black dial with these bright white, like metallic white subdials, uh, making these watches feel really to me, really familiar, but also different enough that you're like, what? Why are you different? Like what
Unknown what's happening? You get a new haircut? What's happening here?
Everett Uh it's like seeing a friend who lost 40
Andrew pounds overnight. I know. Yeah. Right? Like it's like, oh, I still know you, but something is amiss.
Everett Yeah. And I'm okay with it. Yeah, that's right. Um black ceramic. Black ceramic inserts on these, which is sort of a bit of a bougie detail. Still dot over ninety. Um if you care about that sort of thing. I think that is a it's a really sort of granular collectory thing.
Andrew I don't get it. 3861 chronograph
Everett movements, which is unsurprising, 50R meta certified. Um, we've got 10,400 for the steel and 49,300 for the moonshine gold, which is the better of the two. Uh certainly is so good. It is better. Um, but it's also five times as much. Um, and I think, you know, some people might scoff at 10,400 for the steel here.
Unknown That's what you're gonna pay for a fucking Speedmaster anyway.
Everett And here you're getting you're getting just enough extra that for me, I could see myself doing it. I won't, obviously, because I have a speedy and I'm fine with it. But if I were like a first-time buyer, this would be tempting to me. Um, because of those white sub-dials.
Unknown Uh I have a proposition for
Everett you. Go for it.
Unknown I will let you give me
Andrew your speed master. Sure, and then I just
Unknown buy one of these. Yeah. Let
Everett me think about it. And then you have the best of both worlds. Yeah, let me think about it.
Andrew You've done something really kind for someone and acquired uh the
Unknown speedmaster that you like better. I
Everett do believe that this is the first I think I read
Andrew somewhere that this is the first 10,000
Everett steel speed master over 10,000 steel speed master pro. So it it's not it it's not insignificant. Um and these are slightly thicker too at 13 and a half. I'm not sure what that's all about. Um, but what a great couple of watches. I'm with you that that gold one.
Unknown Oh we it just it like the white subdials just slap against the gold. Text
Everett tuxedo on gold. Yeah.
Andrew Very very very good. Um so
Everett yeah. Yeah, it it like makes the
Unknown speedmaster a dress watch. Yeah.
Everett These these are just terrific. So um
Andrew and there's been plenty of gold speedmasters.
Unknown But this is uh this
Andrew one is the one that really scratches the middle of my back.
Everett I'm still a I'm still a green I'm still a green on moonshine guy. If I had an exit watch it's a green on moonshine speedy
Andrew pro. Um I
Everett wouldn't buy it for that very reason. Not a diamond
Andrew crested alpine eagle. No,
Everett although that's pretty cool too. No, it it would be the moonshine green on gold moonshine speedmaster, I think. Yeah.
Andrew These look I didn't ever realize like the because there's plenty of Speedmaster variations, but the the panda No I I know what I know what you're
Everett that's mud baby I know I know what
Andrew you're what you're lusting after uh yeah these, are these are good. But they they came off my list honestly because it's it's like uh there's there's ten thousand Speedmaster variations. And I just as much as I like 'em and also kinda like meh..
Everett Meh Yeah. Meh.
Andrew Um Corono Tokyo. Do it. Uh a meteorite dial
Unknown in the um what's this model called? The Insecci.
Andrew Uh so a 37mm case. Uh we've talked about this this watch before. Uh, but now it's introducing a meteorite dial. And again, they
Unknown are gorgeous and again
Andrew they are unobtainium and again they're affordable. 1800 and 50 bucks. They're gonna
Unknown be uh gone by now
Andrew because they became available uh four days ago. Um 9 OS 5 movement, uh 30 meters of water resistance, 37 millimeter case, 11.5 thick. Um Corona Tokyo is just like banging them out. Um and I'm really curious how. But they're doing it just unrelentingly. I
Unknown I I think we'll see one
Andrew or more releases a quarter from this brand this year.
Everett This is the last time we talked about a Corona Tokyo watch. I f
Andrew three months ago.
Everett I do like these a lot. I'm not I'm not a a huge fan of these
Andrew syringe like kind of like sword syringes. Yeah. They're just
Unknown gorgeous. The fonts are amazing.
Andrew Um yeah.
Everett Yeah, these are great. Um affordable and
Andrew m more expensive than than
Everett like well for instance the Kwame Tokyo pieces we've been talking about. I do think that these are probably better finished and just slightly all all around, probably just a slightly more refined watch. Um
Unknown but it it was there was a
Andrew chunk of time there where I I didn't like I couldn't distinguish between Corono and Kwame Tokyo uh and I was conflating the brands which maybe makes me think they're both releasing more watches, but Corono Tokyo is
Unknown they also released like three watches last year.
Everett Yeah. Um, yeah, no, they're they I think a bigger company for sure, bigger older company for sure. So um Oris
Unknown good call 38mm big
Everett crown or pointer date bullseye, which is I think the coolest big crown pointer date ever released.
Andrew It's the best Oris release, perhaps?
Everett Maybe in a very long time. So this is a bullseye dial. Not new for Aurus, but it's the first time I think they've executed in it this way. What we've got is sort of a a beigey gray with a black sector on top of it, uh giving us a bit of a tuxedo vibe.
Andrew A little bit of a tuxifelium. Uh
Everett very much a big crown pointer date, but we're now 38 millimeters instead of 40, meaning this thing is gonna wear terrifically. 45-5 on the lug to lug, 12 tooth thick with only 50 meters of water resistance. My one objection to this watch is could be just a touch thinner, but that's fine. Um, this thing, oh, and then and then your date track on the outside is red, which just gives it a little Je ne sais quoi?
Unknown A little bit of fun, right? A little bit of a roulette colorway kind of
Andrew feel. Some some good color contrast.
Everett Gosh, this thing is great. This thing is great. Red on the rotor.
Unknown Oh yeah, the red on the on the
Andrew rotor is phenomenal. SW
Everett 2001 dash 200 1 movement on this, which m maybe that's your thing. Maybe it's not. For me, it's not uh with with that said, what they call it the
Unknown ORS 754. W with that said,
Everett it's a totally fine movement. Um everyone's
Unknown using the 200. Yeah, that's
Everett right. Uh 2250 bucks on this thing. Really, I think just a really great move. They released this. I think they had their veil week this last week where they invite people to Veil. And we were also
Unknown busy. Well, I couldn't go because I was in
Everett big sky. Yeah, we that's like I said, we were busy. At my own unveiling.
Unknown Not unveiling. Unveiling.
Everett I took my pants off at least four times.
Unknown I know we saw some interesting things.
Everett This is great. This is just a really good release.
Andrew It is good. This is one of my favorite Aurus
Unknown releases. And it's permanent collection. Permanent
Everett collection. That's right. Nothing, nothing limited about it.
Unknown What are we at here? Oh,
Everett we're 56 minutes. I really don't care about any
Unknown of the other links that we've talked
Everett about that VPC. Oh yeah,
Unknown I guess so. I'm not I'm not poo-pooing it. Um
Andrew so we have a new
Unknown diver from a brand called uh VPC or Evenstus por Constantinium. Um and so it is uh a brand
Andrew started by uh a former
Unknown or maybe perhaps current Fratello employee Thomas Van Stratton. Um
Everett the Type 39
Unknown VM, claiming to be the
Andrew world's thinnest 200-meter dive watch,
Unknown comes in at 9.4 thick, and I
Andrew just don't think that that claim
Unknown can be refuted. That is razor thin
Andrew for a 200 meter dive watch.
Unknown Uh the case itself is um 39 millimeter case,
Andrew 934 thick,
Unknown um, 200 meters water resistance
Andrew using a Selita SW300
Unknown top grade. Um it is a Cosk certified watch. It's coming in at uh almost 3,000 Euros on a bracelet and
Andrew 2768 euros on
Unknown a strap. Um, they're gonna make three
Andrew to five hundred not numbered pieces. It seems to me that that's like a based on demand. Like if they sell more than 300, they'll do more than 300
Unknown but they're gonna cap it at five um the design
Andrew is really familiar there like you
Unknown if when you look at the the top down of this watch, you see about 25
Andrew watches that you know and that you're familiar with
Unknown and that you like, and it kind of
Andrew grabs from all of those in a way
Unknown that is really palatable. Um so the
Andrew excuse me the bezel
Unknown is ten
Andrew minute markers, the dial
Unknown is very typical rectangular markers, uh sword hands with kind of a spade second hand black on black on black it it's also the silver dial
Andrew yeah the silver dial too
Everett yes. It's not as good. It's kind of a creamy silver.
Unknown Uh the finishing on it looks good. The
Andrew bevel in the lug
Unknown connection looks absolutely phenomenal. Um everything looks really,
Andrew really well thought out, very intentional. There there doesn't seem to be a single afterthought in this watch. I agree with you there.
Unknown And I I really dig it. For
Andrew as familiar as it is, coming from a new brand, new release, it's a
Unknown wholly new watch. Yeah. But just inspired by the last decade of
Andrew small brands and boutique brands
Unknown designing watches. And it's just kind of an
Andrew amalgam, like a hot Rebecca of
Everett all of the things that we've loved in the last 10
Unknown years. You know, when they when VPC
Everett released the 37 HW a few years ago, I um I was pretty high on it. And uh you know it was sort of the same as this, right? Where every detail had
Unknown been considered in a in a really meaningful
Everett way. Um and and this is no different, right? Like for instance, I think Thomas talks about um the hour hands, which which in a stack like this sit
Unknown closest to the dial. The hour
Everett hand, the length of the hour hand was designed so that it would pass 0.1 millimeters away from the marker So that it
Unknown didn't have to so that be as close to the dial as possible. So it could be as close to
Everett the dial as possible. Um the minute hand obviously sits on top of that, so it's clear. Um Um, little things like that. Uh and and and and it's hard, you know. Andrew talks about the bezel, the bevel on the inside of the lugs, and how beautiful that is. I'm with him. Um I'm with you on that.
Unknown It's almost like a waterfall into the lug.
Everett I'm with you on that. I will just say that this watch is uninteresting in a way that the 37HW was not that that 37HW came out and I was like, whoa, this is interesting and cool and different. This watch fails for me to have quite the same mystique. It is obviously a stunning watch and it's clearly been made meticulously and I'm sure it's I'm sure it's borderline perfect for a $3,000-ish dollar watch. I bet this thing is about as well made as anything. And you know me, I'm a size sucker. Give uh
Andrew you are a size queen for sure. Tell an under
Everett 10 millimeter dive watch. Fuck yes. With that said, it is boring. And it's boring in a way that I found slightly disappointing. When I s when I first read about this watch, I kind of got excited. And and I'm he didn't make it for me, but I have to say, I have to admit, I'm just a touch disappointed with the global execution on not not any specific execution, but the global execution on this watch. I there's so much cool stuff going on. Why can't we have a better watch?
Andrew Because everything about this watch is
Unknown unflawed. I I and I disagree
Everett with Andrew that the silver's bad. I think the silver dial is
Andrew it's uh it's fine. Almost perfect. This is
Unknown this is perfect without being exceptional.
Everett Everything is everything about it is perfect,
Andrew but it's not exceptional, and that's why the watch
Everett itself is a big fat meh, I think. That's fine.
Unknown You know, I went to a steakhouse the uh uh two nights ago,
Andrew and somebody asked me how it was, and I said perfect without being exceptional. I have no notes, but none of it blew my socks off. None of it made me want to go back. But parts of this blew
Everett my socks off, right? Everything is just
Andrew so well executed. It's flawlessly executed. It doesn't have to it like perfect in and of itself is is an achievement. Not everything has to be exceptional, and this is just flawless.
Everett Yeah. It doesn't mean that
Andrew it's like exceptional. It just means that ev I like every single thing about this watch. I have no notes. Yes, it's boring, and that's fine because perfect often is boring. Yeah. Andrew,
Everett other things. What do you got? Oh,
Andrew I have a kind of
Unknown a weird other thing. I don't know if I was
Andrew living under a rock or what's going on here, but I I saw a new tile on Netflix for a TV show called
Unknown 112263.
Everett You were living under a rock. What the
Andrew fuck? How did I miss this? This is a
Unknown 10-year-old show. It was
Everett fantastic when it came out. So good. The book's even better.
Unknown Oh my gosh. JJ Abrams uh in in
Andrew typical JJ Abrams fashion, uh
Unknown James Franco, like I I saw this and I was like, oh cool new show
Andrew and I started it. And I was like, whoa, this show is great. So as one does,
Unknown I go to the Google and I Google it. I'm like, 2016?
Everett What? Uh so for
Andrew those of you I'm sure I I'm not the only one. Uh this is a time travel alternate universe reality show uh from J.J. Abrams,
Unknown wherein uh James Franco crosses through a magic
Andrew closet and goes back into the 1960s, uh kind of like uh sh with a short mentorship from somebody in the modern era and is like, hey, I need you to do something, you're the only one I trust. Here's all my research. Uh Godspeed, my friend. And then is sent back into the 60s with the intent uh with the intent of preventing the assassination of JFK. Um and it's bigger than that. Somehow that's that's a huge story, but it's bigger than that. Uh and in in J.J. Abrams Abrams fashion, he's able to take this what should be standalone entertaining storyline uh and and make that almost like a subplot in in the the bigger story arc uh
Unknown the the set design is fantastic,
Andrew the acting is great, the writing is great. I have no idea how I missed this. Uh it's on Netflix right now and it's it's blown my socks right off. It's yeah,
Everett really, really good. I'm with you. The book is fantastic, Andrew, and you should consider reading it. Yeah, fair enough. Um, yeah, really good. My
Andrew other thing also on Netflix. Oh. So while they still have their
Everett Netflix accounts open, um I I watched a movie on a flight recently. A Culinary
Andrew Class Wars season two. I was like,
Unknown whoa. That was so good. Uh
Everett the movie I watched was the new Geromodel Toro Frankenstein.
Unknown Oh yeah. Uh starring
Everett Oscar Isaac, Christopher Waltz, Mugh, uh Felix Kammer. Really, really amazing movie, Andrew. I didn't you know, I thought, well, it's it's Giromel de Torre, it should be really good. Um I didn't know what I was gonna get into. It was so good. I
Unknown kinda don't know with him. Right?
Andrew His range is significant.
Everett Yeah, well, that's right. Um that's right. For me, this was a hit. Um it is it is uh human in a way that Frankenstein is obviously intended to be human. And you connect with the monster and the doctor at a very like I don't know, for me at least, felt like a very understandable level. Um it was scary and also not at the same time, which I think is sort of part and parcel for Frankenstein. Uh the way
Andrew troubling without being scary. Like almost like Edward Scissor hands, right? Like it's it's upsetting, but like not scary.
Everett Yeah, I think that's right. I think that's right, Andrew. Um and the way, you know, there's a lot of source material for Frankenstein, right? You've got, I think, 13 movies, comic books,
Andrew Hotel Transylvania. Yes,
Everett exactly. And of course, and of course the the book, um, written by Mary Shelley. Um it the way that Guillermo del Toro interacted with the source material I thought was really compelling. Um gosh, what a terrific movie. Uh I'm I'm not gonna say anything else about it because uh i just go watch it. Uh but man oh man, terrific. New Frankenstein, if you haven't seen it, see
Andrew it. All right. Anything else you got?
Unknown Nope. I'm all out of things. Well then
Everett that is where we will leave you, folks. Thank you for joining us for this episode of 40 and 20, the WatchClicker podcast. Uh go to our website, watchclicker.com. That's where we post words and pictures. Uh if you want to follow us on social media, you can do that on Instagram at 40 and 20 underscore watchclicker or at watch clicker. That's where we post updates about things we're doing on that website or here on the show. If you'd like to support us and oh boy, we hope you do. You can do that at Patreon. Patreon.com slash fortyand20 is where we get all the money that we get to keep this thing running. And it's it's a significant amount of money for hosting that we need. For those of you who are already patrons, thank you. And if you haven't, maybe consider doing so. Patreon.com slash 40 at 20. And don't forget to tune back in next Tuesday for another hour of watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like.
Andrew Bye-bye