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Episode 173 - Watches Round Up

Published on Wed, 16 Feb 2022 21:16:07 -0800

Synopsis

In this episode of the 40 and 20 WatchClicker Podcast, hosts Andrew and Everett discuss recent watch releases and collecting trends following Super Bowl weekend. They cover Oak and Oscar's partnership with the US Olympic curling team, the new Timex Q 1972 reissue with its bold gold-tone aesthetic, and Zealous's upgraded Spearfish featuring the new La Joux-Perret G100 movement. The hosts also examine LVMH's acquisition of Tiffany and its potential impact on watch partnerships.

The conversation shifts to watch collecting philosophy, inspired by Fratello articles about budget collecting and microbrand exploration, as well as a Hodinkee piece on the stages of watch ownership. Andrew and Everett reveal they're "polymonogamous" collectors who never sell watches, contrasting with the common catch-and-release approach. They also discuss Formex's new field watch, Glashütte's new certification requirements, and share other interests including 23andMe results and archaeological discoveries. The episode emphasizes accessible collecting and the value of microbrands in allowing experimentation without breaking the bank.

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Speaker
Andrew Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to 1420, the WatchClicker Podcast with your hosts Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, how are you?
Everett I feel like you jumped you jumped me a little bit there.
Andrew Did I? Yeah, you came in like a hot.
Everett Yeah, you came in a little hot, you jumped me. No one into
Andrew my beer. I'm
Everett fine. Uh yeah, I'm doing really well. The uh actually that's not totally true. I've like pinched a nerve or something in my back, and so that's painful. Um but you know, sex
Andrew swinging I got you guys. It was the sex
Everett swing. Yeah, I told you to start easy. It's a nerve pincher, amongst other things. Uh it's
Andrew what it's called. It's called the
Everett nerve pincher. Yeah. Uh no, but but other than that, I mean that's sort of like like benign physical discomfort. Uh but yeah, just good. Work is good. Everything
Andrew consistent with your advanced age. Right.
Everett How how are you? Uh good.
Andrew It was a great weekend, right? So we're recording on Tuesday the fifteenth. This is the day after Valentine's Day and two days after the Super Bowl. And that was one of the best Super Bowl experiences I've had in a long time. The game was good. The halftime show was good. It was an awesome Super Bowl. And who saw that Super Bowl coming?
Everett Yeah. Nobody. Not even those teams
Andrew saw that Super Bowl coming. It's
Everett just a really good game. It was a great game. It was
Andrew competitive. It w unlike a lot of Super Bowls that we've had in the last decade that are very one sided. It was competitive. Great halftime show. I was pleased. So had a great weekend.
Everett Hallelujah, man. Yeah. I think that that
Everett was I think one of the reasons that was a fun
Everett Super Bowl is that there were no heroes, no villains, right? I mean Matthew Stafford is obviously a guy that uh people like. Even who
Andrew doesn't like him though? He's never wronged anyone because he's played for the Detroit Lions. Right.
Everett So it's fun to see him get his. He does look like Haleyley Joel Osmond. I'm just gonna throw that out there. A
Andrew little bit, yeah. Uh look up a
Everett picture of adult Hayley Joel Osmond. I'm talking about the kids from the kid from the sixth sense.
Andrew Yep. Adult Hayley Joel Osmond,
Everett Matthew Stafford, put them side by side. They are the same human.
Andrew Yeah. Perhaps. Yeah. Although I think
Everett Haley Jewel Osman is like five six.
Andrew Matt Stafford could be five six. We don't know. And Cooper Cup looking all uh Logan Paul.
Everett Yeah. That was annoying. Whatever. I decided so great.
Andrew I decided I didn't like him after the Super Bowl. I was like, oh, that's a bummer.
Everett He's so he's not Jake
Andrew Paul. Best receiver in the league.
Everett Uh you've got Aaron Donald's probably the best football player in the world. Yeah. Matthew Stafford, who's just easy to like.
Everett And and the Bengals are great too. I don't know. I I think some people
Everett kind of tease Joe Burrow for being a little funny, but he's so good. And
Andrew he's what 21? And he's a kid,
Everett and he seems like a nice kid too. And he's
Andrew making a ton of money. I if I was making that kind of money at 21, I would also be wearing cashmere turtlenecks with Nike swoosh diamond necklaces. That that's just a thing that I would be doing also.
Everett I'm thinking about getting one anyway. Yeah, it'll
Andrew be fake, but it'll help me look cooler. So yeah, great, great weekend.
Everett Yeah. And excited now to
Andrew be drinking beer and talking watches.
Everett Yeah, so we're drinking a ten barrel. We drink a lot of ten barrel on this show.
Andrew Because there's al it's always rotating variety. It's ten bucks a six pack. You just you just can't go wrong. So
Everett we're drinking ten barrel. This is called cloud mentality. It's a hazy IPA.
Andrew Like all IPAs are these days. Yeah.
Everett It says if you could taste a sunset, it would taste like this. It's bursting with vivid flavors, top
Everett tropical fruit notes, and an
Everett epic aroma. Let's I
Andrew think I accept their analogy.
Everett Yeah, it's a hazy IPA. Is it a simile or
Andrew is it an analogy? Hmm.
Everett So we're talking about watches.
Andrew Yeah. Probably.. We'll get there
Everett We're talking about watches today. Uh
Everett and we're gonna do a little bit of a roundup. We are as we do, because there's been some fun stuff, some fun watches that have come out, some fun articles that caught one of our eyes or the other or both.
Andrew And I had one from a while ago that caught my eye, and I remember reading it a while ago and being excited about it. And turns out it was nothing to be excited about. So I wanna kind of bring it back up to the up to the top of my mind at least.
Everett Cool. Yeah. Cool. Well well, why don't you get us started?
Andrew Can we talk about the oak and oak and Oscar appearance center stage or center ice maybe is uh is more appropriate. Yeah. How about that? This is this is one of the cooler product placement watches that I've ever seen for a whole lot of reasons.
Everett So if you don't know, uh the men's American men's curling team, the American men's curling team, that's a thing. And these guys, I love these guys because they look like
Andrew they they transitioned from bowling in the summer to curling in the winter.
Everett Straight dad bod heroes. Yeah. Although uh you know I think that curling is dominated by what the Italians.
Andrew I mean, not not me specifically. That's the concern here. So
Everett Oak and Oscar, Oak and Oscar has their watch,
Everett their I think it's the 12 hour humboldt
Everett on the wrists of their it's part of the kit.
Everett It's part of the curling team kit.
Andrew It's uniform. They have to wear it. They have to wear it.
Everett It's pretty cool. And you
Andrew you I I think I would expect that they're also they get those watches
Everett Yeah, I you know, I don't know. I mean, do
Everett they buy them from Okan Oscar? Uh I'm not
Everett sure. My guess is that they get them. Yeah.
Andrew Like for freezes. So this is a
Everett special edition team schuster. I don't
Everett know, Schuster. Team Schuster
Andrew is Humboldt is the guy. Oh. Who is the flag bearer? The main fellow. Yeah. He's competed in the like the last 24 winter Olympics for the United States curling team. So
Everett this is a 10-piece limited edition. I don't
Everett know if the other pieces that weren't issued to the team or maybe they were all issued. I don't know if the if there are any other pieces or if anybody else could buy one um
Everett it's pretty neat you know this is the Humboldt
Everett it's sort of a well-known watch at this point 12 hour rotating bezel super clean sandwich style great watch I think
Andrew I think so. When I saw the picture, I was like, is that Will's picture?
Everett Wouldn't that be funny? Yeah.
Andrew Uh I know it's not Will's picture. And and uh what was exciting to me about this was it wasn't and it's it is kind of, you know, the the flavor of curling, right? That's not the centerpiece of the Olympics. So it was really cool that this kind of obscure Olympic sport that gets an absurd amount of airtime also has watches provided by not a mega brand, not a sponsor of the Olympics, not a sponsor of the US Olympics team watches that they're wearing. And it's a watch that we know and is not an obtaining.
Everett Yeah, it feels like I I have like a little bit of ownership, even though I'm not an Okina Oscar owner. So like this is a watch from our community on the national stage or international.
Andrew And I could that means I could wear an Okina Oscar and there's a reasonable chance I could also be an Olympic curler. I got a lot of life left in me. I'll never be as cool as these guys. But it's just it's a cool, like very everyman's, very epitome of curling watch that they chose because it'd be really easy for them to just you
Everett I definitely just muted you on my own. It'd
Andrew be really easy for them to not give them watches. It'd be really easy for any of the other nine million sponsors
Everett Yeah. Well it's it's a cool thing. So uh cool thing, cool watch. Olympics are always special. Curling you,'re right, gets a an odd amount of coverage.
Andrew Curling and figure skating, I think, probably get the most coverage. Right. And I I don't fully understand why.
Everett Yeah. It's like summer gymnastics. Like
Andrew you watch more gymnastics than anything else during the summer games. It's always on.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. I I think I don't know about curling. I know with gymnastics, it feels like they're just competing the entire time. So I
Andrew ice skating's the same way. It's on right now. It was on this morning. It was on today. It's always live. What is stop it? Get me to ski crashes.
Everett So your so your favorite watch
Everett brand released a new watch. Um here
Everett I want to say this was sort of announced in the
Everett last week. Uh but Timex, the the Q Timex label released a new watch.
Everett And it I th I think this
Everett one's a kind of a doozy man. It's
Andrew something. It's something. I I don't I don't know how I feel about it yet. I I need it might be an acquired taste for me. I might have to come back to it a few times, but I am excited about
Everett it. Yeah, this is I would say this is more of an acquired taste than anything else in the QLine. So what are we going to call this? So this is the 19 QTimex 1972 reissue. This is a big fat sort of Tano oval cushion. I don't know, maybe not cushioned, but like it's this big
Andrew tongue. Barrel is good, yeah.
Everett Um sort of uh um sh hooded lugs. It's just you know this big sort of UFO and it is notably gold tone.
Andrew And something that I full polish gold tone. Super dig about it. Floating markers.
Everett So they sit above the dial?
Andrew But look at the shadow that's cast underneath the markers on those dial close-ups.
Everett Oh yeah. That is really interesting.
Andrew I don't know if it's just, I mean it looks like they're fully floating.
Everett Yeah, I think they must
Andrew connected to like what would be the chapter ring. Or if they're just cut out. But it's a cool somehow, like like you really need to add any depth to this, probably 15 and a half or greater thickness watch, but it adds a really cool depth to the dial.
Everett Yeah, no, it's interesting. I mean, the whole watch is just a little bizarre. It's got a first of all, just just to put it out there, the dial's beautiful. It's got this, you know, burgundy or red, I guess they're calling it ruby red dial. Uh, and and the red on gold is always just a fantastic combo and it looks really good here uh but the rest of this this is such a weird watch i i mean it's it looks to me like it's probably about 14 millimeters thick.
Andrew I think it's probably more than that, man. I
Everett don't have any dimensions on here. Let's see.
Andrew And you can't ever get dimensions from Timex direct. You gotta go to a review website to find them. Uh let's see. I'm on the Timex Direct website.
Everett Yeah, so 43 millimeters. Um water resistant to 50 millimeters or 50 meters, that's good. 43 millimeters, 15 millimeter case height.
Andrew Yeah. So kind of
Everett a cabammo uh kind of a kabamo watch.
Everett Yeah. Twenty millimeter lugs, which I
Everett like. That's nice, but that's a good move
Andrew for them. I think this
Everett is the most for me, this is the most polarizing Qtimex release yet. So
Andrew it's it's the first one they're taking a chance on for sure because everything else has been really attractive, really classic, almost I mean not exactly subtle but uh subtle ish. Understated may,be? Or I don't know. There's a better word for that.
Everett Yeah, just subtle. I think that's a great word for it. This is this is
Andrew not the opposite. It is not that.
Everett This is the opposite of subtle. Well, cool. So
Everett I think that these are do
Everett you have a price on these? 169. Yeah, so 169, they've got a good I I think it's a Seiko sell in these. Um or a Seiko movement, excuse me. Uh
Everett yeah, this is this is cool.
Everett I like the case back. The case back is that sort of classic screwback. Uh but it's got the little battery portal.
Everett Yeah. And the strap looks like whatever.
Everett Buck was kinda neat. Yeah. Interesting. For a hundred and seventy bucks.
Everett I think it's a little bit better than a medium, you
Andrew know? Sh medium? Yeah. So it's warm. It's not hot, but it's warm. Warmer than you'd want to touch.
Everett What do you got next? I'm
Andrew gonna start with the thing that I that I saw and wanted to kind of circle back to. So last year, LVMH, which is the Moe, Hennessy, Louis Vuitton.
Everett Taghoyer. Taghoyer, Bulgari.
Everett Lavemov. Acquired.
Andrew Yeah. Yeah. Acquired. Tiffany. And I remember reading that and being like, oh, this could be this opens a cool opportunity, I think, for like Tag Hoyer and Bulgari, and maybe even Tiffany to do some cool shit in the Watchworld. And then the only cool thing that has happened with the name Tiffany in it in the Watch World is a blue watch that came out a month or so ago.
Everett Yeah well I don't think this I don't think that this um so this is January eighth
Everett twenty twenty one yeah.
Everett Um is when this article
Everett is. And I supposedly there was some problems with the acquisition
Everett and Oh, did it fall through? No, they fought about it a little bit. So um yeah, this is interesting. So Zenith obviously very, very
Andrew I don't see Zenith ever kinda dabbling in that, but Bulgarian Tag Hoyer seem like brands that would dabble in that.
Everett Yeah, Bulgari I I actually think of the three Zenith is the best fit. Uh you know, Tiffany El Primero
Andrew or or whatever. I don't think that either
Everett Tag or Bulgari make a
Andrew watch that is a really great fit for that right now. I think a Tiffany ladies aqua Racer would be just fucking
Everett a Tiffany Dial Mon encase uh mon in case two thousand or something.
Andrew We got thousand one thousand. Uh yeah, I
Everett don't know. I I mean that certainly seems to be a suggestion of what could happen. It it's interesting the article that you sent suggests that it might put some strain on the historical paddock relationship or even perhaps the Rolex relationship. You know, I I would you would have to think that that's
Andrew I would nothing changes. Not a real
Everett thing. 'Cause I mean it's still just a subsidiary,
Andrew but yeah, I would think that that cousin relationship then would have allowed some access like some some mutually beneficial access between
Everett Well, you know, this thing take time,
Everett right? Like it takes a really long time to design a Tiffany blue paddock dial.
Everett It's not something that just happens overnight. No,
Andrew I mean the color's not stored on a palette somewhere. Ooh. Double entend. A palette of Tiffany blue, but blue the color palette. Yeah. You're welcome. It got better when I explained it, didn't it?
Everett I don't think that's possible, but it was
Andrew awesome. It did make sense after you explained. It was a slower burn than yeah.
Everett This beer is good. It is good.
Andrew Um yeah, I was I I remember reading that, being excited. And Tiffany's not ever gonna be a a staple in my world or even like maybe make an appearance in my world. But I just thought it'd be cool 'cause I like cool shit. And I'm feeling a little let down. So anyway, as I was as I was kind of just s scrolling through stuff today, I remember seeing that as like uh I don't had it just been like floating around and
Everett not new news. Not new news, but
Andrew new news to us. But we're gonna circle back to it and and remind ourselves that this happened and nothing has changed.
Everett Yeah. And that's a bit of a bummer.
Andrew We'll see. We'll see. There's
Everett still things that could come out of this. Yeah, I mean there's
Andrew there's always time, but I want it I want it now.
Everett I kinda want you to sing that when you say it.
Andrew Yeah. What you got next?
Everett I got another watch that I that caught my eye uh this last week.
Everett Okay. And it didn't catch my eye necessarily
Everett because I love the watch. Ooh,
Andrew I know what you're talking about. Uh because I do like
Everett the watch. It's a good watch. So this is a
Andrew Zealous. The
Everett new Spearfish. New
Everett Spearfish. From
Everett Zealous. So Zellow's obviously, super famous, one of the, you know, one of the older micro brands, I'd say, or at least have been doing this for a
Andrew very long time. Company
Everett out of Singapore. And they just
Everett make cool watches, right? These are,
Everett you know, I I think Zealos
Andrew uh aesthetic is like kind
Everett of like blocky and angular and
Andrew very tool watch, kind of like I'm
Everett gonna kick your ass. Kind of like if Doxa
Andrew had evolved since the you know their inception.
Everett Yeah. This is what I expect a modern Doxa
Andrew would look like if they didn't just like settle on a design.
Everett Right. Or or perhaps if like uh Patrick Swayze from Roadhouse was a watch.
Andrew Yeah. Yeah. Both of those are really well you don't even have to look up this watch. You know what we're talking
Everett about. So so they released a new spearfish this week and it's a it's a lovely watch as as these are. I'm not sure it's my style necessarily, but they're
Everett very good looking watches.
Everett Uh they're a little sort of upright.
Andrew Mm-hmm. As as is fitting of
Everett that, you know, really tool-like aesthetic. But look, I I just sort of pulled the thing up and I sort of slid through and I'm
Everett looking at this watch and I'm like, dude,
Everett everything on this watch looks better..
Andrew Yeah This all looks better.
Everett Uh, and and that's because it is. So this is a watch that's not
Everett super expensive. I mean, it's still
Everett in the you know what? Do you have a price? I think it's 650 bucks.
Andrew Let's see on this. I'm gonna look for it. So 645 for regular type dials, 700 for forged carbon dial bezel.
Everett And the most interesting thing
Everett about these is that
Everett they come with the new ish
Everett La Jou Pure G one hundred movement, which is a new
Everett microbrand movement. Yes. And
Everett so I think that this has sort of
Everett been put out in the world to compete
Everett with higher end or not higher end, but you know, the entry level Eda These are the lead uh these Swiss movements. So the the article I read here suggests that this is a Mioda 9000 architecture watch that's been upgraded. So the the rotor connection point is like one of these three screw bearings. So they've upgraded it. They've gone through and made this nice er the Namiona. I think it's got a 68-hour power reserve. So there's something that's been tweaked to get some more time out of it. The Miyoda is already a really consistent runner. So you've started with good architecture and then they've just sort of upgraded it. Probably to make it a little bit more accurate. And certainly to make it a more stable platform for a watch with those upgraded bearings and the longer power reserves. So um and it looks to me like what Elshan did with these is sort of I'm
Everett gonna make like a slightly nicer watch.
Everett And if you look at this thing, the uh the design is similar to like I don't know the the bracelet reminds me of a few bracelets from sort of higher end watches um the champers and everything it just looks really reallyod. All the macros on this thing make the finishing look
Andrew stellar. I mean, you can see the brushing, the circular brushing in the bezel. All the lines are really clean and the texture on the dial is just next level.
Everett Yeah, I f that's actually the one I fucking hate
Everett those dials. I th and it's not that I they're not pretty or they're not well done. It's just not my thing. That is not my thing at all. So I wish that there
Andrew was like a black dial. Just give me a gray dial.
Everett Give me a black. Give me a, you know, something that's gonna uh but I would say if you're into it, if you're into that dial, and there's obviously nothing wrong if you are. This looks great. The clasp looks great. Um I I yeah I think this is a cool and for 645 bucks it's not even crazy price. Sort of PVD loomed bezel.
Everett This is kind of a sick watch. I'm into it and
Everett I like that it's using this G100 movement.
Andrew Yeah, I think I think it's a kind of a a risk-free move for them too. They can m use a cool movement that they know is gonna have really good serviceability because this brand is not going to want any bad feedback on these new movements.
Everett Yeah, I don't know if that's true. I I mean so so La Jupare, I think, is owned by the same parent company as Miyota. Uh I think it's all they're all part of Citizen Group. So obviously this is not a fly by night operation, but I don't think there's very many of these out in the world, so I'm curious about how serviceable this is.
Andrew I I bet they're gonna make it very available. There's a full loom version
Everett of the a full loom dial. It's
Andrew called frost. It's a white dial, but full loomed. That's dope. Look at that.
Everett I'm pulling it up right now. Oh yeah, that is really good looking. And you know, this is the typical oh yeah, the the frost style is the best.
Andrew Yeah. I've got some meteorite dials, which
Everett if that's your thing. Not mine, but
Andrew it's for somebody. It's a little sunbursty for me.
Everett Actually, the frost dial is the one that is the least objectionable in that regard.
Andrew And it's full loomed, which is cool.
Everett I yeah, but the thing that intrigues me most about these is that bracelet, the finishing, and all the finishing. This looks like this is a really nice watch. Surprisingly nice.
Andrew Unexpectedly so even. I got a couple things.
Everett I'm kind of tempted to reach out and see if they would if they'd ship us out a review piece because
Andrew we've spoken so highly of it. Well maybe maybe
Everett that's what we do. We say, hey El Sean, we said really nice things about your watch. Would you be willing to send us a review piece?
Everett And a one-off dial.
Everett A custom blue and orange dial. Yeah.
Andrew That's doable. That's really easy. You just paint it. I have fingernail polish. Problem solved. So I've got a I I grabbed a couple articles that all kind of got me thinking about watch collecting and our hobby, as it were, and the you know how it leads to us being podcasters. And there two of them are for Tello articles. And the last is a hodinky article. So the first one is um no money, no problem, how I started collecting watches on a budget as a broke college student. Which is I think everyone's story into watches, right? Not necessarily being a broke college student, but your emotional tolerance for dropping a large amount of money on a watch really quickly increases. So first time you go buy a watch, like, I don't know. 500 bucks seems like an expensive watch. And then, you know, you spend 500 bucks on a watch. You're like, yeah, but that $900 watch is kind of like suddenly you're spending increasingly you're increasing sums of money on watches and not divesting these other watches that you have because you love them. You bought them for a reason. The reason I pulled this article is I thought it offered a an interesting take into the world of watch collecting. So
Everett what's the name of the article? The name of the article. The name of the
Andrew article. No money, no problem. How I started collecting watches on a budget as a broke college student by Ignacio Conde Garzom from Fratello published february tenth in the year of our Lord 2022.
Everett I'm seeing February 16th, aka Today.
Andrew I'm seeing the 10th. So
Everett interesting. Maybe that's telling me. Oh yeah.
Andrew It's saying today is the same thing. Today
Everett is the 16th. Yeah. Um whatever.
Andrew So whatever. What I thought was interesting about this was he took a I think a unique trajectory into it and went all vintage all the way. Like really dis deliberate hunting, really thorough research, found affordables that maybe or maybe weren't going to be serviceable, but that were at least working. And that was what started his collecting. So the first one he got um
Everett I think you say Montine. Yeah.
Andrew A a thirty-four millimeter gold plated Montine of Switzerland with a buy it now price of twenty euros.
Everett Yeah, so sounds we should say.
Andrew Uh he he w the this article he
Everett buys all these watches for these ridiculously low prices, which I'm sure involves a hunt, but
Andrew yeah. He's buying these on eBay
Everett Kleinenzeigen, which is like a German Craigslist.
Andrew Yeah. And he's he's
Everett obviously putting in a lot of work and this is several years ago. So that's the
Everett one thing about this article where I was like, these
Everett deals don't exist anywhere in the world
Andrew today. They don't exist, but the the uh
Everett the attitude the attitude
Andrew is there of the not all the hype is necessarily what you want. We all want the thing about that is all the hype. Because that's what we're told to want. And things get hype generally because they're cool. There's a lot of things that get hype, not because they're cool, but because they get hype. But this was a, I thought, a cool, like just a good reminder article of the beginning of the hobby and what's exciting about watches and what's exciting about finding new watches and looking at stuff. It's so that that journey of learning and finding the cool shit that nobody else knows about and nobody's gonna recognize except maybe one other weird watch dude.
Everett Yeah. Yeah, when he goes through some great watches too.
Andrew Yeah, the lineup was dope. These they're
Everett interesting. They're definitely vintage, right? And all of them are
Everett vintage. But some of them are pretty cool. There's
Everett this really neat Tissot chronograph. I mean, some of these watches that he winds up going through are
Everett really very neat. This omega
Everett TV dial that he picks up for like 60 euros. Yeah. Which is nuts. Um, and actually, there's this like sort of burgundy dial Timex pop full polished gold tone Timex in the collection that is very similar to
Andrew that new nineteen seventy-two Q Timex,
Everett although I don't think this is a Q. I think that this is a mechanical. It's
Andrew pre-Q, but yeah. It's cool as shit. I mean, what a that's a bold way to begin collecting.
Everett Yeah. But what a good way to begin
Andrew collecting. I think Evan is kind of like that. Evan does a lot of vintage stuff and
Everett yeah, he's got so iCourtman on Instagram, one of our writers, Evan Courtman. Uh he's got some
Everett modern pieces too. So I think that
Everett he's never been exclusively vintage, but
Andrew no, but you know, he's written that f I think three
Everett or four part series now on the website about gold watches
Everett and um he he's
Everett got a ton of this type of experience.
Everett Yes. And he's like that guy's
Everett like taking apart movements nowadays. Yeah,
Andrew he's doing some some brave stuff. Yeah. I'm not this brave. Well,
Everett and I think I think if you're gonna go down this
Everett route, you m maybe naturally get pushed into that. Well, I bought this twenty dollar whatever. Uh you know, I can't do anything with it. Maybe I'll take it apart and
Andrew 'cause I like the way it looks. Yeah. Let's see if I can pull the whatever is in the way of the movement out.
Everett Right. Which is
Andrew now the movement. Um So yeah, just a I th I'll and we'll link to the article. It was a quick read, some cool watches to view, and just a good perspective bringing article. A good reminder article.
Everett Yeah. I agree with that. I agree with that. You want to go through the rest of these, or should I should I uh
Andrew you you do me one next. So uh
Everett I I think this may actually be my last article, but uh or not article, my last pick, but uh another watch that I found this
Everett week that is
Everett interesting, I should
Everett say. Uh but also I kind of hate it. Okay. So Formex launched a new line this week. So Formex is, I think, a very cool brand. Uh, but they uh maybe make some controversial decisions or have so really really cool amazing watches. Formex released a pretty affordable being like under $900, $800, I think, is what these go for. Field watch. And it's uh I've pulled up, I think, a monochrome article on this, and they say modern and accessible military field watch, the field automatic, which i is an interesting way to describe this watch um
Andrew 945 on a leather strap with carbon adjustable clasp which is kind of weird.
Everett And I think that you can get it on nylon for like
Andrew $795. Yeah. $800 on
Everett nylon. And then this fancy leather. So
Everett this is a field watch. It's a field
Everett watch. It's got some interesting lines to it. It's got
Everett Formex lines. The case is
Everett very formix. It's nice. I like it. Um, I thought that maybe it
Everett had sort of uh like a
Everett uh boulder style lugs. It does not.
Andrew That was my first thought too. It was very boulder ventury.
Everett The font on the dial is a sandwich dial, and
Everett it's attractive sandwich dial. The font on the dial is like a stencil font, which I think is kind of contrived, but it's alright. What I hate about this watch, because I do hate this, is every single version has that really, really
Everett orange vintage loom.
Everett Yep. All of them have it. Hands the purple one. Markers, date wheel, everything. As if as if these have been like just sitting in the sun for the last 40 years
Everett in consistent even
Everett sunlight for 40 years, which clearly they haven't. I hate this. I hate that design decision because I think this is a salvageable watch without that. I think for me that ruins it. Be because this is such a compelling watch to me.
Everett I think I I think it was because
Andrew it's yellow. It's not the brown faux Tina. I think it was uh like a legibility decision. I think it's meant to look like flat dark earth brown, like tactical. Yeah, maybe. I I think that's it. I'm not saying it's excusable. I'm just saying I think that's it. I think it's less Fotina than it is uh like a a color palette choice.
Everett So let's talk about the good things. It's it's kind of big, 41 millimeters, which I think is maybe a little big for this watch.
Andrew Yeah. Um, but I'm sure it's great 10
Everett and 10.6, 10 and a half high,
Everett which is nice. It's a 47-ish lug to lug, so it'll wear really nice. It's titanium, grade two, whatever that means. 150 meters water resistance, which I think is an excellent choice.
Andrew Yeah, for a field watch, you're not gonna come near that with most
Everett nice movement. It's got the Salita movement for you know under a thousand bucks. I I like it. I I think that's a good choice. Crown's
Everett good, design is good. The
Everett timex or the timex the titanium looks great.
Andrew The titanium looks really good. You know my favorite part. Tell me. The date window. It's
Everett a good date window. I don't mind this at all.
Andrew So rather than your typical date window, which is just a square or circle cutout, they've made it almost as wide as you'd expect for uh yesterday, today, tomorrow date wheel visibility. But they've beveled it in, so you can only see today. But that bevel draws your eyes to it, kind of makes the date seem more legible because you're not looking down through a little porthole at it. You're looking almost flush at the date wheel. Let's some extra light in there for legibility. I think that's a cool, a really cool date window.
Everett Yeah, I like it. And I very much like
Andrew it. I mean, other
Everett than that, there's not a lot happening here, right? It's
Andrew no, it's a form X case made into a field watch.
Everett Syringe Hants, they're nice. I'm sure that it's super well built for that price. Um, pretty affordable for four max, honestly.
Andrew I I I wish they would have gone a little bit smaller.
Everett Can we just get white loom? Yeah, just for the love of God.
Andrew If if even only on the purple one.
Everett Right. Right. Just redeem the purple
Andrew watch with one thing. Yeah, it's
Everett particularly offensive on the purple.
Everett Yeah. So
Andrew it's like it looks like a LA Lakers branded watch. The other colors are good. We've got like a like a true black, kind of like a slatey black gray, a navy, a yucky purple, kind of a like a like a coffee color.
Everett Yeah. And then a like an olive drab.
Andrew Yeah, like a V OD that you'd expect.
Everett Yeah. Kind of like a gray olive
Andrew drab. That's a good lineup. I said
Everett don't hate the purple. I do. I just
Everett wish they all had white bloom.
Andrew Maybe they can do one special for you.
Everett I don't think they will. There's
Andrew no harm in asking. But again. And the
Everett nylon's cool too. I I don't know what that nylon strap is. If it's stretchy, it looks like it would be stretchy, but it it's a good looking. It's interesting.
Andrew It looks like it ought to be stretchy. I can't qu understand the uh the two hundred dollar price difference. I think for the leather
Everett has to do with the clasp. I I'm not finding any pictures of the clasp, but supposedly there's a special clasp.
Andrew It it looks like I mean it it's a two piece or it's a one-piece clasp obviously. But it looks like it maybe opens and ratchets down onto the leather. If you look at the color lineup you can see Yeah. The profile of them. But it's carbon, so what?
Everett Yeah, hard to say. It looks like
Everett it must be a special, because the leather doesn't look like anything
Andrew crazy. But yeah, that is a pretty big
Everett price difference between the nylon and the leather. So
Andrew I wish I could see the clasp better. God snow. Maybe we'll maybe we'll get them to send us a review piece too. Yeah we should do that. So we can trash the yellow loom. Listen, we don't like the loom.yt Ehingver else is great. Send us one and we will say 99% nice things. So these
Everett these are on what pre-order now. These are on pre-order now. Um and
Andrew I think that they are
Everett set to deliver well
Andrew I don't know. I don't it doesn't
Everett say. But they're pre-order in any
Andrew event. So you can't actually get one today.
Everett So yeah, that clasp thing, it's like a fine adjustment clasp. So it gives you a little bit of wiggle room, I guess. And it looks like pretty neat tech.
Andrew Yeah, I mean it's carbon. Carbon's cool. Like this watch is titanium and carbon. It's two of the coolest materials in watch manufacturing today.
Everett If you go to the website, they've got actually got like an uh animation behind the the m mechanism, which
Andrew oh yeah. Cool. Good stuff. An exciting release from Formex. Who I I am generally kinda underwhelmed by I know a lot a lot of people really like them and for good reason. None of their stuff does it for me. This doesn't even do it for me. I just say nice things about it.
Everett Yeah, I don't think uh this was an
Everett extremely popular release around the editorial board. Um, mostly
Everett because of the things that that we
Everett mentioned. Uh I think Mike liked
Andrew them. Makes sense. Mike likes Formex,
Everett though. Yeah. Um I like him. I just wish that that loom is a that loom kills it for me. Um Yeah, so I felt like I was going somewhere with that thought, but it's drifted away from me.
Andrew It's gone. Down the down the river as it were.
Everett So you have
Andrew got one article left, and I've got two. I'm gonna do mine Together.
Everett Do them together. Do it live.
Andrew First article, Fratello, from Dave Sargent, February 13th, 2022. Starting out, how collecting microbrands allowed me to experiment and explore. And Fratello's doing kind of a cool week, like a collector's week. They've got pictures up with like a little green stamp on them that are all people collecting watches and kind of stories about their journey. So worth worth looking at those because there's a few a few good reads in there. And
Everett it feels sort of count the the whole series feels sort of
Everett counterculture to me too. As
Everett you know, you know, as much as watch collecting can be counterculture.
Andrew Well it's almost counter watch culture. It's very like it's the at least for me, it's all been the the articles that I've read were very much how to be deliberate in your collecting, why people are choosing to be deliberate in their collecting, why people are choosing to go away from the hot, cool shit. And I don't know, it was just the the the articles that I've read spoke to me. I haven't I haven't read a bad one yet. Or one that I didn't agree with or at least take something from. So starting out, how collecting microgr micro brands allowed me to experiment and explore, and I'm gonna partner this with a hodinky article from the fourteenth by Danny Milton, entitled The Eight, well nine, if you're lucky, Stages of a Relationship with aith a W watch.
Everett Oh, Danny Milton. And and
Andrew I think that's appropriate because when we're talking about experimenting, we're also talking about feeling out your tastes in watches. And so the this article goes into uh the first article, uh Dave Sargent's article, um talks about how he went about choosing microbrands. And I think one of the points that he makes and is exceedingly important for people who are choosing to exist in the affordable micro brand, independent brand world is that they are not all equal. It's a whole paragraph. Not all micro brands are created equally. And I think that's a really important thing to bear in mind when we dabble in in new brands, which is not to say we need to avoid new brands, but it is to say that a lot of new brands try to ride the coattails of the brands that have come before them, charge the same price for a significantly lower quality product because we're all used to paying five to eight hundred dollars for a micro brand watch. So he goes into his article talking about sampling micro brands, finding the things he likes, finding the finding the things he doesn't like. And I liked it. I think that's what microbrands are all about. Sampling the world around you. Finding designers you like, finding new things that you like, finding watches you like, and being able to afford them.
Everett Yeah, he makes uh he makes an interesting point in this article. He says something about um design boards right so you you know major brands are designing by committee uh literally probably in in most instances
Everett but most of these micro brands
Andrew are being designed by one person. Maybe two.
Everett Or perhaps two. And um
Everett the best of them make
Everett decisions. And so
Everett you're getting this sort of unadulterated set of design decisions, which for better or
Andrew worse. Sometimes it's much worse.
Everett You know, it is different almost
Everett always. You know, we you there are obviously the
Everett you know, I'm making an homage
Everett watch, clearly making an homage watch, and
Everett that's maybe a different conversation.
Everett But in terms of folks, you know, like Hame Watch Company, for instance, the
Everett this guy's making weird watches and they're and they're
Everett cool and they're attractive.
Everett And you know, if
Everett if people say, yeah,
Everett I don't know if that's for me, you've made something interesting. If someone's gonna look at your watch and be like, what the fuck? That means it's
Everett interesting. You know, Diu Woo uh guy
Andrew we had on uh uh right one
Everett a number of years ago, he me he's making this
Everett uh Chinese,
Everett very Chinese, like deliberately
Everett Chinese uh adventuring dialed micro rotor dress rot.
Everett And it's like, what even is
Everett this? And people would message us and be like, what is that?
Everett And and I don't think, you know, either one of us made fun of it. But you know, you know, there's like No,
Andrew we even made we didn't make fun of it, but in not in a not in a negative way. It's like you're doing too many cool things here.
Everett Right. Like you choose one
Andrew of these cool things that nobody does in this space and do that cool thing.
Everett And that's the best thing about these micro brands, right?
Everett Is it and and I think Danny does a good
Everett job of sort of saying you you're getting these really sort of unique,
Everett interesting, fun designs. And
Everett so you've got to take the small brand the small brand aspects of the micro brand reality with that watch, but it's you know it's something
Everett that's gonna be cool and different. Yes.
Andrew And I've never been disappointed by any micro watch that I've ever had that had on the wrist in the review, like or in for review, or just flat out disappointed, never once. Could be just because it feels like Christmas, but
Everett Right. I've got a new watch. Woohoo!
Andrew Um so with that. The eight, well nine if you're lucky, stages of a relationship with a watch. Danny Milton. I'm just gonna I'm gonna read. Oh
Everett I'm sorry. Oh I'm sorry. I attributed a statement to Danny Milton that's actually the Dave Sargent. Yeah. I was moving too quickly, I'm sorry.
Andrew He calls us calls stage one the infatuation. Two the hunt. Three the acquisition, four, the honeymoon period, five, general ownership, six, detachment, seven, the wandering eye, eight, the breakup, and number nine, if you're lucky, the outlier. I added the if you're lucky, but there's two asterisks that indicate the if you're lucky part.
Everett Yeah. I I I think he's made some assumptions that that m most people collect like him. And I think those assumptions are not wrong. Because I do think most people collect like him. But this article definitely did not steps one through like six connected with me.
Andrew Five for me. One through five.
Everett Like I don't fall out of love with watches. I and I don't sell watches for exactly that reason.
Andrew Exactly. And that was so uh when I was reading this article, it would like it kind of struck a a nerve for me because he he hit one through five right on the head. I'm like, yeah, that's it. I love that. This is this is why I do it. But then when we get to s to six, I'm like, wait a second, what what? Why did I go through one through five to get to eh.
Everett Right. And then divestment. And like
Andrew and that, I don't know, it it doesn't bug me because I understand that people may no, it bugs me. It it bugs Andrew. I don't think there's a problem with it. But the thought of acquiring and sending away watches irks me. Like it it makes me physically uncomfortable to think about falling in love with a watch, buying it, and then eventually selling it. I can't I just I can't manage it. I know that that's a really common thing. I mean
Everett Yeah, I think actually it kind of makes us weirdos that we don't do that. It it's it's odd that both of us are the same in that regard too.
Andrew We're like polymonogamous. Uh
Everett because I think statistically speaking, it would be
Everett unlikely that we're both
Everett sort of that get it and set it and forget it type of collector. But um yeah, I don't th I you know, I th I thought the article was clever. I thought it was insightful, if maybe a little obvious. Uh I think he missed some opportunities to be funny.
Everett I yeah, but it tracks. It tracks.
Everett Yeah. It was like almost a little too literal.
Everett It was like, okay, yeah, this is actually what happens to people.
Andrew Yeah. But and we it was a I think it it it helped me understand the revolving door that people get into in their in their watch acquisition process. Cause I think if I was buying watches totally okay with the fact that I would be parting with it days, weeks, months later. I would have a lot more watches because I can't sell watches. Um I I I'm just not comfortable with that.
Everett Yeah. It just doesn'tt I
Andrew I don don't' I don't even like taking things to goodwill. Right. I might I might want that again. And that maybe that's just a character flaw, but you know I just fall so deeply in love with a watch. I
Everett think it must be a little bit
Everett like um I I
Everett think there must be some switch that happens. So people start selling watches and then they realize how doable it is and they and and they get
Andrew into it's like a habit forming thing
Everett so one one of my watch friends local local guy here actually so so uh an IRL friend even um
Andrew is a fellow that I met
Everett year and a half ago. And we hit it off because he's in the watches. I'm in the watches. You know, and he's had like really great watches come through. He's pretty regularly acquiring and selling watches. And he picked
Andrew up, I don't not a month
Everett ago, this tutor GMT. Oh.
Everett And it's great. Yeah. And
Everett it feels, I don't know the exact time frame, but it felt like it was no more than like two weeks later that he's like, so turns out I'm not a one watch guy. And he sold it. And then today I think he's got an Oros Aquis
Andrew in in. So to acquire multiple or like I don't know. Well,
Everett I I think I think the sale of the tutor um GNT, I think he was able to probably open up some some doors. Some holes in the watchbox as it were, uh, both financially and and in terms of space. So you know I'm curious to see what he gets because it's sort of like c collecting vicariously through someone. But you
Everett you know there's this thing that happens I think
Everett where you just get more comfortable with the idea of catch and release. Uh and and not to characterize that for better or
Everett worse, but something
Andrew that's boned me out and I'm I'm simultaneously very excited is that Clay is uh doing a year-long monogamy test.
Everett Yeah. And because I Clay
Andrew and I had really similar taste in watches, and I got to enjoy watches through the pictures that he took of his what felt like daily acquisitions. I know that they don't they weren't that often, Clay, and I'm not trying to like push you off the wagon here. But I kind of missed that. 'Cause I'm like, oh I like that watch. I like that watch. I I wouldn't buy it 'cause I would never be able to part with it. But I like that watch. Thanks for getting it.
Everett Yeah. Thanks for posting a picture of it.
Andrew And I know you, so I feel like I got to enjoy this watch with you. Yeah,
Everett Clay is another one where he's like, This is
Everett I I bought this watch and this is a keeper. And then like today. Not like three weeks later it's up for sale. So you know
Andrew He's not doing that now though, and he's doing really good. He's on day what are we on thirty one let's support
Everett him forty six days.
Andrew Look at him go. I mean that's actually
Everett kind of incredible. Yeah. It's
Andrew been a long time since I wore the same watch for forty six days. And you're doing great. And you're doing great.
Everett So I think actually that's the full run of my stuff.
Andrew You had one more. At least that you sent to me.
Everett Oh yeah. Made in Glash
Andrew Glashut. Glashut is how
Everett you pronounce that. So uh Germany's Glashuta, which is sort of the capital of German watchmaking has uh required that they passed a law requiring a certain amount of uh bona
Everett fides if you're going to
Everett say we're uh Glashuta made watch.
Andrew That's a big move. And I don't know
Everett if this was a problem. I assume that there were some problem. I also assume that this is something that's incredibly political and is probably being propped up by some group of glass shoota-based lobbyists.
Andrew Who are trying to increase the legitimacy and allure of glass chute watches
Everett to some degree. It feels to me like it's probably gatekeeping, but that may be cynical.
Andrew Of course it's that's the whole point of the made in wherever. It's gatekeeping. You can't make all your shit in China, assemble it in China, and then like give it a kiss in Germany and say it was made in Germany.
Everett And so this is so so the Glashuta rule uh requires fifty percent of a time piece's value to be created in Glasshuta. Uh
Everett and had they have to have been around since nineteen
Everett oh six. That's dog shit. That's
Andrew gatekeeping. So to
Everett the extent that there's any pl plausible deniability on the gatekeeping.
Andrew Do you think that they'll accept zombie brands?
Everett Yeah. I I don't know. It's interesting. Uh it's interesting to me. You know,
Andrew say made in Switzerland, I don't buy it. There There
Everett are some um glass shooter based watches that I might be interested in acquiring at some future date. Not that I can even think of any right now. Just saying. Just
Everett saying. They're out there. This felt like
Everett kind of a funny thing. Yeah.
Andrew Nineteen oh si what is a what an R. Nineteen
Everett oh six. Hey man, when were you around oh five?
Andrew All right, well we're gonna Okay. You're good.
Everett You're good. Oh nine? You're good. Sorry. You're out.
Everett Nineteen ten, what do you call that?
Andrew Fucking kids these days.
Everett Yeah, so you know, obviously there's some point of demarcation there. I don't know what it is. Uh obviously that's an important day for someone, but
Andrew yeah. So for probably three someones who are gonna be the primary beneficiaries of the stamp.
Everett Yeah. Um so you're right. I did have one more, but now I am truly, truly retiring.
Andrew And that's it. Watch this for the evening unless
Everett you have something else. No, I mean for this, this
Andrew is this is it for us. This is our farewell roundup episode we're retired
Everett until next week yeah until I
Andrew mean we take hiatus every week andrew
Everett other things what do you got I'm gonna cheat, I'm gonna double
Andrew other thing. So first other thing. I we got our twenty three and me results back this week. Right.
Everett This is a follow-up. Yeah I we tal I talked about
Andrew this at about Christmas. So about six weeks ago is when I talked about this.
Everett Callback and we got
Andrew our results back and it has been a fun exercise in like oh well these are the things that my family says about my family. But this
Everett is what science supports,
Andrew which means someone was a liar. And why did everyone cling so tightly to that lie? Largely my genetics are exactly what the the family, like the oral history of my family has been. There's some some differences which are kind of explained by genetic migrations and then like the anecdotal migrations in recent generations, but generally it's it's on. But it it's been cool to look at
Everett Transylvanian. Yeah, obviously.
Andrew Very clearly. Uh but it's just it's been a cool eye-opening thing to look at just that. Something something that you can never really uh make tangible. Just like, oh, you know, great-grandpa said this about the family and said this and that and the other thing. And now it's very tangible. It's just a cool, a cool look back at where you came from. Uh my wife has really enjoyed it. And one of the cool features is you can opt into like connecting to um people you're related to and you don't have to opt in but you can opt in and it builds this map that you can zoom in and out of and everyone you're related to like down to one percent shared genetic material shows up on this little map where they How
Everett many people is this? I have fifteen hundred
Andrew people in mine down to one percent genetic similarities. So like people who we have we share like a five greats grandparent.
Everett Are there any like like any famous people? Are you related to like
Andrew Alexander Hamilton and I have an ancestor in common.
Everett Nice. And Marie Antoinette
Andrew and I have an ancestor in common. Nice. Most white people have an ancestor in common with Marie Antoinette. And m most European men have a ancestor in common with Alexander Hamilton. But I will hold to those things. Uh yeah, it was just it was interesting to see like your genetic predisposition to certain things. Like I have uh two genetic markers that suggest that I am unlikely to part with things that no longer have any use. Which really? Yeah, that um I hit the nail right on the head. Although two things that really bugged me. I only have a 13% chance of going bald and about a 20% chance of having thinning hair. So
Everett you won the lottery? I double won the lottery
Andrew because I am both of those things. I the the hair density on my head is is it's unpleasant.
Everett I find it pleasant. I'm yeah I'm
Andrew glad with your luscious locks looking at me and God. So it's a fun thing. If you haven't done it, uh I mean I know there's some discomfort with like giving your genetic material to some company to be analyzed, and like they're not the government, so I don't know. I was kinda like not anxious but hesitant too, and then I was like fuck it, whatever.
Everett Yeah. I spit on the ground. Like if
Andrew people wanted my DNA, they'd have it by now. And why would they want to clone me? I'm like I have a terrible chance of going bald, yet I'm going bald. Like I'm not I'm not who they're looking for.
Everett Well, you know, maybe maybe they are looking for you.
Andrew That's not a that's not a desirable trait. My real other thing.
Everett We don't want no ground spitters. No.
Andrew My real other thing. In Arizona, and I'm gonna call her an amateur archaeologist because she is an amateur archaeologist. In Arizona, amateur archaeologist found artifacts linked to Coronado's fifteen fifteen40 expedition into the southwestern what is now United States. And she found these artifacts and what in in the way they are laid out in what is probably the first and farthest west colony in the United States by Europeans. And it's super fucking cool. There's a lot of bad stuff tied to that, right? I'm not saying that that that that conquest and conquistadors are good people. What I am saying is that history is very cool. And finding a archaeological site of this magnitude is
Everett huge. Europeans in New Mexico in the sixteenth century shit. Yes.
Everett Shit was probably not great. No, well so
Andrew they she uh she the Coronado led this huge armed expedition of uh like Mexican tribes with his own conquistador army presumably to conquest and look for treasure. Because it was just a bunch, like fucking, whatever.
Everett But she's found all
Andrew manner of sword tips and chainmail, and she says she found a bronze wall gun, which is three feet long and weighs about forty pounds on the floor of one of the structures.
Everett So it's a cannon, yes. Yeah. Yeah. A
Andrew small small can. A can the kind of can that you you'd carry with you on campaign, not dragon that bitch.
Everett A cruise serve weapon. Yes,
Andrew it is cool. And there's obviously a lot more to come out. There was one very funny part of this article that said the independent researcher revealed her find on January twenty ninth to a sold-out lecture to more than one hundred people.
Everett Sold all of them together She sold every seat in that living room.
Andrew The bar high. She's obviously not saying exactly where it is. She kind of gave a vague general idea of where it is, which is Yeah,
Everett so there's some controversy, right? Because
Everett the the find sort of
Everett changes the historical narrative regarding the conquest, the path of the expedition.
Andrew Generally unknown but mostly agreed on, and her theories kind of doesn't throw it on its head, but takes a takes a left turn and is very cool.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. No, it's a good idea. I'm excited. Archaeological
Andrew discoveries. Archaeological discoveries in the inhabited United States are is an impressive enough feat. Never mind that it's from the sixteenth
Everett century. Yeah. Yeah, pretty
Everett yeah, pretty pretty good stuff. That was a fun article. And it was fun to see that there's you know, this is like this kind of stuff happens all the time, but it was fun to to read about it kind of happening in real time.
Andrew And in the United States and to a sold out crowd of a hundred people. Why would they include that line? This is like just such a weird dig. There was two parts to that sentence. Only one part was necessary.
Everett Sold out crowd. To a crowd of a hundred people. To
Andrew a sold out crowd. Take your pick, but not both. Sold out crowd of her entire
Everett extended family. Really, it's just the
Andrew research team. They all had to pay to get tickets to sell it out.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. No, good stuff.
Andrew Yeah. So we'll link to it. It's just a I mean take it or leave it. It's an interesting article and a cool find.
Everett Agreed. Yeah. I got another thing this week. It's a movie.
Andrew Do me. It's a movie. Um
Everett I am blanking on what streaming
Everett service this is on. So let's take a look here.
Andrew I have it pulled up on Rotten Tomato. Yeah.
Everett But it's streaming, I think, on Netflix. Well shoot. See if you can find that. So
Andrew HBO Max. HBO Max. It's streaming
Everett on HBO Max. Okay. So this is a movie
Everett with this is a movie with Zoe Kravitz, who's I think really, really great.
Andrew And aging in reverse. It's
Everett got yes, it's got Rita Wilson in it.
Andrew Um, it also has the actor,
Everett I'm blinking on his name. Um, but the guy who plays Buzz, Devin Rattray, the guy who plays Buzz, Buzz in Home Alone, his name is Kevin, which is funny. But this is uh a movie called Kimmy,
Everett it's about 90 minutes.
Everett And that is the reason that I'd like to talk about it today. Because this was not a comedy. It was a serious sort of
Everett I would say this is a hitchcock-inspired
Everett movie. In fact, perhaps I read one review that called it a love letter to Hitchcock, and I think that was super apt because the whole entire movie feels very Hitchcock, the way it's paced, the characters, um, the scenes, the amount of cast that's involved, the way the cast interacts with each other, and the distance by which they interact with each other, very Hitchcock.
Everett And in 90 minutes,
Everett you have just enough time to tell an intricate and complicated and emotionally impactful story, and not
Everett to fucking get over the top
Everett with twists and turns and complex narratives.
Andrew CGI and so this movie
Everett has I think a ninety percent on the standard rot rotten tomatoes ratings, which is exceptionally good.
Andrew And a 53 on the audience score. And a 53
Everett on the audience score. So after watching this, so I looked at that and I thought well that's interesting I'm gonna watch it and try to and and then maybe after the fact try to analyze it I'm kind of stumped because
Everett it was well acted the action
Everett was good. are There a few scenes that are bordering on ridiculous. In particular, the finale, while very satisfying, is a bit ridiculous. Uh, but it wasn't offensively ridiculous and it
Everett was fun and well done and quick quick in a good way um I
Everett I really like this movie so I'm
Everett not completely clear on the low audience rating. It was fun. Um
Everett maybe not as complex as some people might want.
Andrew That's kind of what it seems like. Just skimming through some of the reviews. And I I think we're seeing a little bit of a resurgence in this. I just watched a Jake Gyllenhaal movie. That was also like that was very much single character. There was like I forget what it was called. Like 911 or something like that. But it it felt very hearkening back to the like the OG thriller movies. It was like a play. That is that
Everett is right. Yes. And we're we've seen a couple
Andrew movies like that. The plays adapted sort of to be put into movies and TV shows. I like it. I'm down with that.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. Right. People
Andrew want Michael Bay. Yeah.
Everett And and that is not here in this
Andrew movie. Uh it does have some sort of commentary
Everett regarding like data collection and Alexa, but it wasn't the day the the commentary wasn't it's not like uh don't look up, right? Where it's sort of feels
Andrew misguided and a little bit
Everett like heavy handed. This was very light social commentary about what might happen, but it doesn't feel like
Everett a warning. It's just like this is a
Everett fun movie. This is science fiction, perhaps, that's comes, you know,
Everett you know, a little close to home.
Everett Um yeah, it was
Everett great. I loved it. I want more 90 minute
Everett movies. That's what that's what it made me feel
Everett like. I want more 90-minu
Andrew movteies. Yeah, it's tiring to sit down at 8 o'clock and try to watch a two and a half hour movie.
Everett And if you haven't watched it, watch Kimmy. Zoe Kravitz is fantastic. She's
Everett really good at it. Uh, the soundtrack
Everett is great. It's like
Everett weird. It's like the soundtrack
Everett is weird. And then I was like, but I really like
Everett it. It's sort of like 1960s, 1970s, whimsical thriller music.
Andrew Which it I don't know if it's a mobile genre, but yeah.
Everett Yeah. Yeah, perhaps, right? Anyway,
Andrew great movie. Kimmy. I suggest you watch it. I'm going to.
Everett And I suggest you you watch
Andrew it too. You should.
Everett Andrew doesn't know that yet. I haven't watched
Andrew it, but my assumption is that it will be 90 minutes not poorly spent.
Everett It will be 90 minutes for sure.
Andrew It's actually 89 minutes.
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