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Episode 119 - Valjoux 7750 vs. Lemania 5100

Published on Wed, 03 Feb 2021 21:52:38 -0800

Synopsis

In this episode of the Forty and Twenty WatchClicker Podcast, hosts Andrew and Everett dive deep into two legendary automatic chronograph movements: the Valjoux/ETA 7750 and the Lemania 5100. Both movements emerged in the early 1970s as responses to the automatic chronograph race initiated by Zenith's El Primero and the Caliber 11 consortium, but took decidedly different approaches focused on affordability, durability, and serviceability over prestige.

The hosts trace the parallel histories of these "workhorse" movements, from their development during the quartz crisis through their near-extinction in the mid-1970s, to their triumphant resurrections in the 1980s. Edmund Capt's computer-aided design of the 7750 and the Lemania 5100's military-grade durability are highlighted as revolutionary achievements. While the 7750 remains in production today and appears in countless watches from budget to luxury brands, the 5100 was discontinued around 2003-2004, though it left an indelible mark on tool watch manufacturers like Fortis, Sinn, and Tutima. The episode celebrates both movements as unsung heroes of horology—the "Honda Civic and Toyota Corolla" of chronographs—that prioritized function over flash and continue to influence watchmaking decades later.

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Speaker
Andrew Hello fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. This is Forty and Twenty, the WatchClicker Podcast, with your host Andrew, and my good friend Everett. Here, we talk about watches, food, drinks, life Everett, how are you?
Everett So good. Yeah. So good. Yeah. I mean, shit. Everything's just great.
Andrew It is. It's Tuesday, right?
Everett Uh it is okay. It is Tuesday. Yes, yes, sir. It is. Uh yeah. But I mean I'm good. I work today. I got some really good stuff done. Um yeah, that's it. You have
Andrew a Prius in your yard?
Everett I do have a Prius in my yard, yeah. Uh it's a not so funny story, but I do indeed I do indeed have a Prius in my yard.
Andrew Which it's really lucky that happened when your car wasn't in the driveway.
Everett Yeah, no, Kim's car was in that spot.
Andrew Oh really? Yeah. Like almost
Everett destroyed Kim's car. Yeah. So just for you at home, we're like, what the fuck's going on? Uh my neighbor, my friend, uh, elderly fellow, elderly fellow, uh just about in his 80s, he uh had an accident. We found this out later. Had an accident, fell, hit his head, uh, which caused bleeding, which puts pressure on his brain, which has which made him not all that capable about four days after the fall. So that exhibited itself
Andrew yesterday
Everett as he drove his Prius into my front yard.
Andrew Yeah. And and there
Everett that Prius sits because in between his him driving his car into my front yard and um calling triple A, he got towed off to the hospital because his friend came to sort of help him out. And his friend was like, hey, you're you seem really weird. We should go to the hospital.
Andrew You just crashed your car and
Everett to the hospital they went. And yeah, there was a a a bit of time where we didn't know what had happened and kind of panicked because we could also tell he was weird and then he disappeared off the face of the earth and no one told us while his front his Prius was in our front yard. So tracked him down. Got a hold of his daughter. We're talking. She's flying in tonight, I think. And hopefully gonna come get his Prius out of my front yard. He's okay, you guys.
Andrew That's important. He's okay. The Prius is gonna not gonna be so okay.
Everett This I think it's okay. It is high centered on a stump, but I took a look underneath. All of the all of the exhaust looks like it's in one good shape. Uh I took a look at the axle, it kind of came close to an axle, but the axle looks fine. I mean looks fine, right? There could be something
Andrew It's gonna be hard to get it off of that stump without causing some belly damage.
Everett It's clear. It's clear right now. Oh. So I can
Andrew hook a toe strap and yank it. Well I, think we need to
Everett get that tire. We need to get that tire up. So we're gonna do that tomorrow if he if triple A doesn't come. I think I would much rather triple A or you know, whoever, some some professional do this, just because they're gonna be if they don't write they're insured. That's right. Uh but yeah. How are you, Andrew?
Andrew Good. I am we're we're in the the last the home stretch, as it were, of getting our house onto the market. Uh which meant that today I was up to my nipples in paint and I we had this weird well all the things of this house's additions and renovations have just been weird shortcuts they that people were like, ah, close enough. They were very better done than perfect.
Everett Deck separate, right? And uh
Andrew so one of them, they rather than a a flush corner of drywall, they just stack the drywall on top of the other piece of drywall and then put a piece of door trim against it.
Everett Fine. Fine. Yeah. No, that'll work.
Andrew When you are okay with like three and a half inch door trim.
Everett Yeah.
Andrew So And then they like bondoed
Everett it so it looks like a continuous piece.
Andrew Yeah. Yeah. So over the course of doing my bathroom remodel a few months ago, I I destroyed that piece of Dortram on accident. I didn't want to find a new piece, so I just said, oh fuck it, whatever so it's been without trim in order to sell this house I'd like there to be trim up so uh I was looking at that wall today trying to figure out how to hide the issue and I was like fuck it I'm just gonna fix it so I ripped down a big chunk of wall and Drywall's
Everett the worst. It's not pleasant. It's not as
Andrew bad as grout, but it's not fun. So I've got drywall up and hanging, paint everywhere. I had a very productive day and I still don't feel like I will ever be done. But we're close. We've almost we we all almost got everything done that we wanted to get done. Our photographer's gonna come Friday, I think, take pictures of the house.
Everett Is this someone you're hiring yourself or is this our realtor
Andrew hiring? Yeah. Yeah. Um,
Everett well, good. Uh uh have I told you about my new house that needs absolutely no
Andrew work? No. My next house will need no work.
Everett Yeah, let's hope so. Perhaps the
Andrew house next to yours. Yeah, so that that
Everett would that was interesting. A house came on the market today. It was previously on the market, but the last sale fell through and it's literally a hundred feet away from us. Yeah, we could
Andrew throw rocks at each other. And it's a good house. You guys
Everett are gonna look at it tomorrow, right? Yeah, we are. We got a showing. Fantastic. So
Andrew that yeah, that's been my I mean that's been my life. I've been like waking up, workinging, com home, working, going to sleep, working, just a just a wash, rinse, rinse, repeat of work and work and work.
Everett So I'm happy to be here. I'm happy you're here too.
Andrew Yeah. I'm happy you're here too because today we
Everett are talking about watches.
Andrew Two watches specific. Well, two families.
Everett Yeah. Like like 10,000 watches per
Andrew families. Yeah. Cousins. Very extended cousins. Yeah.
Everett Or or perhaps uh or perhaps like competitors. Like uh like evil twins.
Andrew Hmm. Like Wario and
Everett Mario. Or perhaps Wario and Waluigi. I think
Andrew that's more appropriate. Yeah, how far can we take this?
Everett So, as you know, because you've read the tile on your screen, probably. Probably. Uh, today we're talking about two movements, automatic chronograph movements, both of them. I would call them unsung heroes. Uh, and and I think that's true for one of them more than the other. Uh, but we're talking about the Valjou Ne Eta.
Andrew It's the Valjax. The Valjax Ne
Everett Eta seventy seven fifty and the Lamagna Lemagna La Magna 5100. Uh and there's there's a good reason. There's a good reason we're talking about these two watches. Because these two movements. Uh to use Andrew's correction. Uh because and and and that is because I am of the opinion, having researched these a little bit, that these are two of the greatest movements ever made.
Andrew And and you're not alone in that opinion. There's there's cult followings behind both of these movements.
Everett And so neither one of them the most famous automatic chronograph
Andrew movement ever. I th I think
Everett that that honor probably goes to the El Primero. Uh
Andrew yeah, I think so. Uh, you know,
Everett for for a number of reasons. And we'll talk about the El Primero a little bit. Uh but but these two are sort of the anti-el primeros. These are, I don't know. What would you c what would you say? How would you describe the how these fit in the in the industry?
Andrew These are the Honda Civic and Toyota Corolla of the industry.
Everett That's probably perfect. Yeah. Workhorses, right? Reliable, cheap, workhorse,
Andrew modable, amazing
Everett machines. Both of them. Both of them amazing machines.
Andrew And not a lick of sex to 'em.
Everett Yeah. The sex we we generate,
Andrew right? The the sex comes with with our attraction to 'em. There's nothing uh attractive about them. They are tools. They are they
Everett are just bangers. Anti-attractive, perhaps in some ways.
Andrew Yeah. They I'm sure they did things like, Oh, that looks terrible. Yes.
Everett Roll with that. Roll with that. Well, so to tell the story properly, I think we've got to travel back in time. Hit it. As we as we are want to do. As we are want to do on this show. We're gonna travel back in time for a moment. Uh and we're gonna travel back to a a a year, a year, one specific year, nineteen sixty-nine. Uh and so this is well before either of these movements are a thing, before either of them are a going concern. And that year 1969 is critical in watches for for a couple reasons. A couple big things happened in 1969. Um the first, uh, the first thing that happens is Seiko in May of 1969 starts using their phenomenal uh 6139 chronograph movement. Uh not that anybody knows, right? Nobody fucking cares because Seiko's Japanese and they're just not in the conversation. And
Andrew there's also not internet, so people are slow to find out.
Everett That's right. So Seiko's got their 6139 operating. And also sort of simultaneously, simultaneously, we've got Zenith with Errol Primero, famously first automatic chronograph, quote unquote. Um, and and and also this big sort of uh chronatic group, uh, Buren, Hamilton, uh, Breitling, Hoyer, uh, and and a few other companies are working on the famous Caliber 11. Uh and and which one of those came first, the Caliber eleven or the El Primero. I don't think it's super important. Uh I I think w w generally speaking, the Biran Group beats beats them to m to market with an actual watch, but but Zenith is the one who who gets the the headline first or early in the year. And really, practically speaking, Seiko beats them all to market. But we've got three automatic chromographs that get released that year. So more on that. Because another really important thing happens in 69. Do you know what it is, Andrew? Quartz. The very first quartz movements come to market. Uh which
Andrew is really interesting that we're that we're seeing a company like Seiko drop uh a revolutionary movement and think in their big shit about it and then at the same time drop something that kind of makes that first movement obsolete and r like truly revolutionizes the watch world.
Everett Yeah, that's right. That's right. Two totally different avenues of approach on revolution happening in Japan. Yeah. Thank you, Seiko.
Andrew Yeah. Uh
Everett yeah, quartz. The quartz crisis is not in effect yet.
Andrew It's building though. But it happens
Everett fucking quick. It happens quick. So in 1969, no one knows it's coming. Maybe some people suspect, like, oh, this quartz thing. Uh, but but really nobody's thinking we're not gonna be able to sell an automatic movement in two years from right now or five years from right
Andrew now or whatever. So
Everett we've got these three phenomenal automatic chronographs. We've got um quartz movements happening, quartz watches coming out. Um both Lamagna and Valjou at this time are behind the behind the eight ball.
Andrew Mm-hmm. They're late aware of it.
Everett And aware of it, very aware. So they're late in the game. Everybody's kind of known about this big caliber 11 group because there's too many players involved to keep it a secret. Zenith has been, you know, squawking a lot, at least through 69. Seiko's quietly working in Japan, but the the writing is on the wall. Automatic chronographs are here. They're awesome. So these guys are like, we need to get moving. And so they both start working groups to create movements, automatic chronograph movements that will be able to compete in the market. And they've got beat to the gun. And so they're both interested in doing this in a similar way. And I'm not sure if this is marketing genius or if this is just uh plain old m market market strategy, whatever, but they both sort of simultaneously, independently, decide to develop cheap, quick to make, super accurate, super durable movements right now.
Andrew I think that was that was driven by the fact that they were so far behind the game. They didn't have time to do the start everything from scratch development. They needed to take something and they needed to get it to market now. So take what we have, tweak it, and let's find a way to get get our heads out of our asses right now.
Everett Yeah, I think that's right. Well, and there's another thing happening too here uh i in the sixties, right? Which is that um movements are getting more expensive, right? As automation becomes significantly more popular. Expensive movements are are relatively more expensive compared to the competition. And labor on non-automated prices processes is going up too. So there's a market, there's a demand for less expensive movements. And in fact, movements that both of these companies are using at the time are less popular because of their price. So it's incumbent on these guys to a be competitive and b to make it cheaper, right? Um, so both seeking to make these streamlined accurate tough servable movements. Uh and and spoiler alert, I they both generally succeed. Um they do so in some similar ways with some obvious differences. I think probably the first thing we do is just take a look at one of these watches.
Andrew Let's do it. What do you think we start
Everett with the 7750? I I think we do.
Andrew And I think the reason we start there is because we've got one in front of us.
Everett We that's true. Well, I have one in front of me. It's a little off to the side for you, but I've got my Swiss Army F A eighteen. Uh love this watch. It's a chronograph. Nobody's ever heard of it. Um I just love it. I just love it. It's a chunk.
Andrew Mm-hmm. Because it's got a fucking 7750
Everett in it. I think they're fifteen millimeters
Andrew thick. Uh y yeah, no,
Everett this more than fifteen, I think. Fifte15 on a good day. Yeah, but he's been eating Twinkies. So um
Andrew I can actuate these now, right? You can,
Everett yeah. I've I've got it. Uh I got the movement serviced. Uh it it is actuatable. So uh the 7750, we actually know a lot more about the 7750 than we do about the 5100. Uh and and there's one really good reason for that, which is that the 7750 well A A, it's been in constant production the entire time that the internet has been alive. So there's been a lot written about the 7750, people who have researched it. Um, but also I think it's generally just the more popular of the two movements, at least in commercial circles. Um, and it kind of it goes going back to nineteen sixty-nine, Valjou's like, hey, what's going on? We're behind. And so they put together a crackpot team, as it were, the A team. Uh
Andrew I think it was the available team. No,
Everett no, so it isn't. So they hired this kid named Edmund Capt. He's 24. He's a total prodigy. He's a computer guy. In the six, you know, 69. Basically, no one knows computers. This guy is uh way ahead of his time in in terms of his ability to do things on computers. And I say, Hey, will you put together a team who puts together four folks uh a a lady engineer i i knew these guys' names at some point but i don't right now and it doesn't matter and they say you know we want a non-high beat just a standard beat, quick to market, quick to build, cheap to build, no column wheel. No column wheel. This is important. No column wheel chronograph. We've got some existing designs. We've got an existing uh 7733 mechanical hand wind movement. And we'd like you to start there because that's an existing module. We'd like you to develop on top of this. So any number of problems are going to come up. But we've got the benefit of computer-aided design now. And really, Capt is one of the very first guys who is going to dive into that world, has the knowledge. He's young, he's a kid, he's 24. He's one of the only people in the world that has the ability to do what needs to get done here. Val Zhu's got one computer, so he's got to travel from his office to the place where the computer is. He's going back and forth. Um and he designs uh over the course of about two and a half, three years, he designs this first computer design movement based on the Valjou seventy seven thirty-th,ree which
Andrew not even based on built from.
Everett Built from, yeah. Which is based, which is an evolution of a famous, famous mechanical chronograph movement, the Venus one eighty
Andrew eight, because Valjou had absorbed
Everett Venus when Venus went down in 1966. So this watch comes to market in 1973 and instantly starts showing up in watches. And it's super popular for about 18 months. Yeah. Because the bottom falls the fuck out in 1975. And and interestingly enough, the 7750s' trajectory parallels that of its more famous sibling, cousin, colleague, the Zenothel Primero.
Andrew Rival. Rival. So
Everett just like the Zenithel Primero, in 1975, these watches get shit canned.
Andrew Mm-hmm. Watches get shit canned.
Everett Uh, because folks do not want to buy mechanical movements.
Andrew And and not just shit canned. They told him they they told Cap, just destroy it. Like get rid of everything. There's no reason to save any of this.
Everett Pack it up. Not just pack it up.
Andrew Pack it up and get rid of it. Burn it. Yeah. Get rid of it.
Everett What? That's not just
Everett like that's that's throw it into
Andrew the ocean. We've given up, we're not even gonna do this anymore. Kind of behavior.
Everett We quit. That's for uh for the brilliance
Andrew of my phone of the business planning going into it, this hiccup was one of the most significant knee-jerk reactions I've ever seen. And fortunately for them, he he was a little bit little bit calm and said, you know what? We're we're gonna put on a shelf. I think perhaps
Everett insubordinate. My suspicion is not calm, insubordinate. Loyally so.
Andrew Yeah, he was making a rational decision. Knee-jerk reactions are never right.
Everett Never.
Andrew Never. So he said, I'm not gonna set it ablaze. I'm just gonna put it on the shelf. Have a and and and there it there it laid in wait. So we're in the midst of the courts crisis. Everyone's packing up their shit. No one knows what to do.
Everett Valju and Edda join in this time.
Andrew Yeah, because they're like enemy of my enemy, right? And they're the 7750 sits. Until
Everett I imagine he had it on the hutch above his toilet in the bathroom. Like all these dyes, plans.
Andrew Oh yeah. But enter the eighties. So it's a s it's a it's a significant period of time. Five years. Eight years.
Everett Yeah, eight years. That this
Andrew is it's in a holding pattern, but into the 80s. And things. Yep.
Everett Neon, neon green, sh jammy sh jam shorts,
Andrew tall hair. Leg warmers.
Everett Fuck yeah. Screech. Rest in peace.
Andrew Aww. Aw. So enter the 80s. And it's starting to come back. They pull it off the shelf. They dust it off because that's the uh The down spiral. Now mechanical watches have joined forces and they've started to re-market themselves, rebrand themselves as luxury items. You wanna be cool, you gotta buy a watch that you gotta wind. Or that'll wind itself. Not quartz.
Everett And the public comes back too. Yeah. So 1983. I imagine they're at a meeting. In fact, I know I was there. Uh, it's a meeting, and they're like, What are we gonna do? We don't have any movements. And Edmund Capp comes in, he's wearing a uh he's wearing a baseball cap backwards. He's got like uh a base one of those ringer t-shirts on and a flannel shirt rolled up, sleeves rolled up, mid forearm.
Andrew The logo on the shirt says seventy seven fifty.
Everett He's like, Hey bitches. Guess what?
Andrew Cause what he's now thirty. Yeah,
Everett that's right. He's thirty-one. He's got a he's got a joint tucked behind his ear. Uh he comes in and says, Hey guys, look, I got this thing. What do you think? And in nineteen eighty-three, Valjou reintroduces the seventy f 7750 to market and it explodes. This is quickly and almost immediately the most popular movement on the market.
Andrew Because it was the only one being mass produced. It was the only one that was quick to produce, and and they they sort of postured themselves to be purveyors of movements and not just watch production. That's that was their whole jam.
Everett That's right. Now they're providing
Andrew other watch manufacturers with their machine.
Everett And now 40 years later, 30, 38 years later, the Valju 7750 is still a going concern. It's still in its 7750 stock form found in watches that you can buy on Joma Shop, Amazon, Harry Richie's jewelers, whatever.
Andrew For fairly reasonable prices given the technology that's there.
Everett Anywhere from about a thousand bucks to significantly more than that.
Andrew Oh, you can get them and under under a thousand. You can get into them at like five hundred bucks.
Everett And the architecture and the arc more and more than that the architecture that Edmund Capt came up with in the early 70s is still being implemented by other companies other companies are taking that architecture and putting their own spin on them. Very, very expensive luxury hot horology houses are using that architecture in watches today.
Andrew Yeah. And it's like the Browning
Everett machine gun of movements. Yeah. Or perhaps, perhaps another movement that we're going to talk about later. So
Andrew we should talk about the architecture a little bit. We should. Yeah. We'll we'll need to get into that
Everett so I mentioned earlier no
Andrew column wheel. I yeah, that's right. I mentioned
Everett earlier that that was one of the goals is to get rid of the column wheel. And there's a couple reasons for that. One is that the column wheel is very expensive to produce. Uh column wheel chronographs are classic. Uh and other than that, they've got some uh they've got some some benefits, right? The the horizontal manner in which a column wheel is laid out is aesthetically pleasing. And they do have a certain functional uh benefit. They they are snappier, they're clickier, they're generally probably a little bit easier to compress. Uh the 7750 sort of askews that and gains all sorts of stuff. Efficiency of manufacture, durability, long-term life. Yeah, well, uh not all of it, right? As I've got one here.
Andrew You you get it, but you really gotta work for it.
Everett I don't know if you can hear that. Hold on. Here's I'm gonna I'm gonna I don't know. It's like pushing a G
Andrew Shock button. Yeah, a little bit. Yeah,
Everett a little bit. And and this is an older movement. It probably needs to be serviced. So it's probably a little bit uh spongy. But but yeah, you don't get quite the same click as a as a column wheel.
Andrew Which which makes sense because what you you're you're not you're not actuating the machinery in in the same way.
Everett Yeah, that's right. It's a it was a wholly
Andrew revolutionary design to actuate these additional complications.
Everett And you know what else that McCap did? Hmm.
Everett Plastic.. Yeah Plastic. Silicone. Delrin. Plastics.
Andrew Right? Look you guys.
Everett We're not playing we're not playing the jewelry maker sweepstakes here. This is let's get movements into watches that are gonna do a job, do it for a long time, and do it cheaply. Mission accomplished.
Andrew Yeah. Like George W.
Everett Bush. Yeah. Like George. So uh, you know, since then, Hamilton, IWC, Brightling Omega, Frank fucking Mueller, Hamilton, um, did I say Hamilton twice?
Andrew Twice, yeah. And
Everett it doesn't stop there. Obviously, Victorinox. Um you know, bull of the big Tisso, big giant brands are using this movement. Uh ubiquitous, I think is the right phrase for
Andrew it. But there's another player.
Everett There's another player. And that player is a company called
Andrew Can can we can we say one more thing? No.
Everett Yeah, say as many things as you want, Andrew. The the
Andrew winding system. The winding system changed it. A bidirectional winding mechanism, which and this is a complaint of the seventy seven fifty, is it's a unidirectional winding. Can
Everett we talk about the myth of unidirectional winding inefficiency?
Andrew U Uh yeah, and I think it's important that we do. For the gears to engage on the rotor of your o of a of an automatic watch, it has to traverse fifteen percent of a rotation. So 15% of a revolution before it will engage the gears to begin winding. Which is, you know, not much. But also it's horribly inefficient for to to add that kind of expense and that kind of technology when it can just rotate in one direction.
Everett Yeah. You know, there is uh uh I think a pervasive idea that that it's less efficient for unidirectional. And I think that that that's probably the piece that people are missing.
Andrew Yeah. It has to rotate a lot. 15% of a revolution in order just just to engage the gears. So uh just a twist to your wrist, that that you know, that move that motion to check your watch is not going to wind your watch.
Everett Yeah, that's right. It's gonna take
Andrew actu I mean i i i it with any automatic winding watch, takes actual movement to get that rotor spinning.
Everett And if you if you know a watchmaker, call 'em up and ask 'em which movement is more efficient, a 2824 or a Miyota 9039? Call your watchmaker friend and say, I want to know about winding efficiency. Which is more efficient? A 2824, which is bi-directional winding, or a mioto 9039, which is unidirectional? Which one's more efficient? And the answer, spoiler, the answer is gonna be Miyota, because it is, right? And twenty eight twenty-four is actually uh a little bit of a cherry-picked example, but bidirectional winding is not inherently more efficient..
Andrew No It's just cooler. And it's a way to charge more money for your movement.
Everett Yeah. It's um it's this is a marketing speak. Yeah. So yeah. Edmund Capt says I don't need to ch I don't need to wind both directions.
Everett Just give me one. Yeah. Besides,
Andrew people are gonna shake the wrist anyway, and there's the the balance of that rotor is going to prompt it to spin the right direction. So now we can move on to Le Magnier.
Everett Le Magnier, Le Magnier. So at the same time, another Swiss company, company called Le Magna.
Andrew Also in ruins right now. Right. Because everyone's winning.
Everett So I think, I think,
Everett at the time, LaMagna is owned by SSIH. And they're making watches for SSIH Group, Omega, Tisso, SSIH Group Manufacturers primarily um but also on the general market. They're in the same boat, they're in the same boat that that uh that Valjou is uh in 1969. Behind the gun, need a movement.
Andrew Under the gun? Under the gun? Behind the eight ball?
Everett Yeah, something like that.
Andrew Behind the curve. Not the sharpest
Everett bull in the in the in the garage. I hope so. So
Everett generally considered
Everett to have been released in 1978. Generally considered, the LaMagna 5100 is pretty late to the game.
Andrew Yeah. Nine years later. Nine
Everett years later, there's a butt. Omega is using the Lamania 5100 in watches as early as 1974.
Andrew Yeah.
Everett And probably 1973.
Andrew Yeah. Yeah. So
Everett not late to the game at all.
Andrew No. They just found an outlet for their movements.
Everett Not late to the game at all. Yeah. We know a lot less about the development of fifty one hundred.
Andrew And I think that's because it was it I think Om Omega was involved in the development in some capacity as to make it proprietary.
Everett Clearly. Clearly they're they're capturing that
Andrew information a little bit more carefully. And
Everett maybe for good reason, right? Maybe they are weary of competition, they're weary of Val Jou's development. And so they're clearly withholding information in a way that Valju didn't, at least long term.
Andrew Right. And so we just know
Everett less. We know less about how this thing got created. And and in fact, uh until fairly recently, probably early two thousands, people did not know that this watch came out in seventy three or 7y4. The thought this watch comes out in two in in 78.
Andrew No, it was living inside some of your favorite speedmasters.
Everett That's right. That's right. So what's different about these two watches? Um, well, first, first, what's the same? 5100, lots of plastic, more plastic than the 7750. These guys really liked plastic. They at every step of the way are finding innovative,
Andrew cheap, reliable
Everett parts. So, you know, for instance, they use this KIF from the KIF company,
Andrew uh Swiss company. Uh this KIF shock
Everett absorber versus the more popular Inca block. They're using uh silicone parts, they're using Delrin parts, lots of Delrin. Um and and implementing these great sort of revolutionary materials into an automatic chronograph. Uh an and what they do is they produce probably the most durable chronograph in the history of watchmaking. Almost certainly.
Andrew Yeah. And long lasting. Not just not just actually like violently durable, but they they're still on the road.
Everett They're still on the road. Yeah. Indeed. And now by the time this comes out, the 6139s basically discontinued, permanently and forever.
Andrew The uh caliber 11,
Everett the Brightling Gupro, caliber 11, is taken off the market within a year because it's got some problems with the hairspring and overpowered in one direction and underpowered in another and shit keeps breaking. Xenothel Primero, obviously, we know Xenithel Primero.
Andrew Still going strong. Still going strong. It
Everett it like the it like the um seventy seven fifty gets pulled in nineteen seventy three.
Andrew Mm-hmm. Seventy five, excuse
Everett me. Yeah, seventy-five. And stored and stored until nineteen eighty-three. Uh I have the fellow's name. Charles Vermont. A very similar story. This thing gets pulled. Charles Vermont takes all the stuff home. Maybe him and Edmund Capt were on their cell phones and they're like, yo, Chuck. Yo, Ed. Yeah. I'm gonna take all this shit home. What do you think? He's like, yeah, I'll do the same.
Andrew Yeah, we'll keep it safe because they're burning everything right now.
Everett I got some of these HDX totes 899, yo. I'll drop you
Andrew all the tools and CNC machines.
Everett So so that'd be a good watch brand
Andrew story. Stole a bunch of proprietary information and started producing watches.
Everett You you know, LaMagna being backed by SSIH has some abilities to capitalize on you know now sixty one thirty nine's no no longer uh uh in the equation and they kind of were never really in the equation because Seiko's really living on an island.
Andrew But they could also remain in production and eat loss in a way that other brands couldn't.
Everett Exactly right. Exactly right. So the caliber
Andrew 11 gets pulled. And and and at the
Everett same time, this, you know, that that Brightling group has sort of evolutions of that, but it's kind of not a player. Zenith has shelved its its movement. Uh Valjou has shelved its movement. So really, Lamania's the player. They're like, look, let's get in here. So they go
Andrew to Porsche Orfina and
Everett they say, hey, you should use our movement in this really cool Porsche Orfina that's previously had the Value 7750 in
Andrew it. They go to all these companies,
Everett all these fantastic Swiss companies, and they say we've got this workhorse
Everett automatic chronograph. And these companies who
Andrew are making workhorse watches that need a chronograph, Zen, among them are are like, hey, yeah, let's w we're building military spec watches. We need them to not get destroyed. And they're seeing a big market pump because they filled the vacuum of the need for an automatic chronograph. Nobody else was doing it. And they're building I mean everyone's using it. The the the during this time period, the only automatic chronographs are powered by the 5100.
Everett Essentially, right? Then there's some other movements in the game. Uh, but but really, this is the player. It's the fifty one hundred, this fat eight point two millimeters thick LaMagna fifty one hundred. It's in everything.
Andrew Mm-hmm. Omega, Zinn, Hoyer, Orfina, Tutima, Fortis, yeah. Everyone. Everyone.
Everett And so what these companies discover is this movement is
Everett fucking incredible. It's incredible
Everett because of its particular combination
Everett of plastics, really sort of utilitarian industrial production means, it's really, really good. And what happens is it develops a relationship with companies. So,
Everett you know, famously, Andrew, you mentioned Fortis
Everett and CIN, uh also Tutima. Uh as late as like 2001, these companies will only use the LaMagna 5100 automatic chronograph.
Everett Purely that movement, and that's
Everett it. We're not using other chronograph movements.
Andrew Which is bizarre for how many are available in the market right now that they're they're siloing their design language to that movement.
Everett Yeah that's right. That's right. And
Everett and the reason they do there's a there's a few good reasons for this right. And some of this is legend. I don't
Everett have I don't have statistics on this stuff,
Everett but um th there's a popular
Everett anecdote that uh a 5100
Everett movement can withstand seven G's of
Everett shock. I've I've heard that.
Everett An instant seven G's of shock. And because of the way
Everett it drives, it's a direct power to the chronograph with
Everett a hit of seven G's, the sweep on the second hand doesn't stop. And as
Everett far as I know, it's the only chronograph
Everett movement in existence then
Everett or now that can do that. Seven years' service interval, service interval, which is really good. It's really good
Everett by today's standards, was amazing.
Andrew That's basically never serviced for an 80s produced watch..
Everett That's right By 1973 standards, I mean that is out of this world good. And so these companies are like, we can't send anybody out to
Everett the field with anything but this. This is the only watch that meets our military specifications. The only movement, excuse me.
Andrew And they were pumping them out? Pumping them out. They
Everett sold a fuck ton of them.
Everett Maybe not as ubiquitous as the 7750.
Everett Because of that eight year gap
Everett though, damn close. Yeah. And the relationship with these
Everett utilitarian tool watch companies, Zinn and Fortis and Tutima, um certainly more ubiquitous in that military space.
Andrew I I think they the that workhorse uh banger of a of a movement limited it. I think it could have been as ubiquito ubiquitous as a seventy seven fifty. But I think because of its target market, it lost out on the other opportunities.
Everett So sadly, and much
Everett to the chagrin of the military watch community,
Everett LaMagna discontinues the 7750
Everett by 5100. Yes, the
Everett LaMagna 5100. By about
Everett 2003, 2004. It's
Everett gone. There's some genetic successors. I think probably the most uh significant one that I read about is the ETA
Everett C01.211. I don't
Everett know a lot about ETA chronographs, um, but it's a genetic successor,
Everett but it misses the most important thing. We haven't mentioned this yet. One of the things that makes the 5100 so special is the central
Everett seconds hand. So
Everett unlike basically every chronograph that exists today, and
Everett then the 5100
Everett implements a minute hand that tracks your chronograph time. So it's a
Everett four-hander as, that were. I think it's actually a six or seven hander.
Andrew Seven seven hander. But
Everett one of those hands is a central chronograph minute counter. And and and Ed has done this with some modifications, as well as ETA, um
Everett uh or as well as or as well as some
Everett other famous companies, right? So we see central minute counters, oftentimes they're clicky. This is just another minute hand that operates off the chronograph
Everett module on the center, which makes
Everett timekeeping significantly easier and more
Everett accurate. Instead of having 30 minutes, you've got
Everett 60 minutes. Uh, and so all you have to do is look down,
Everett you've got a clearly designated minute hand
Everett that's keeping your chronograph time. So now you have seconds centralized and minutes centralized, which is which is a boon. I mean, if you can imagine using one of these in the field,
Everett that's a fantastic thing. Yeah.
Andrew Or in any under in under any amount of stress. Yeah. That's a it's a really cool movement.
Everett You know, I know some guys who will
Everett run in a chronograph. And and
Everett I have run in a
Everett analog chronograph before. I don't find it particularly pleasing
Everett because when you're running, everything's shaking, you look down and
Everett you cannot read a sub dialom in a hand. You just can't do it. So having
Everett that i is really an an effective
Everett thing. So this new caliber C011
Everett eskews that. And so there's some, there's maybe a sentiment that that's
Everett actually an evolution of the fifty one hundred. They've made it more durable, more robust,
Everett cheaper yet. But
Everett I think really you get rid of the thing that makes the fifty one hundred so cool.
Andrew Yeah. And other
Everett than that, it's gone. 5100 is no longer a going concern.
Andrew Digital. So in
Everett light of the mandated title for this episode, I
Everett think we should talk pros and cons. Oh, yeah.
Andrew We should. We should get there.
Everett Because I I don't think there's a clear
Everett winner. I think our versus title that we've given you is probably a bit of a red herring.
Andrew I think so. This is really a celebration of both
Everett of these movements. Yeah. But I think
Everett it's okay to talk about y you know,
Everett the pluses and minuses of either. Um I think we could start with a really simple one in favor of the 7750.
Andrew You can still get it. Brand new inbox.
Everett You can still today get
Everett a 7750. Now, 10 bajillion 5100s were sold, and you can still find parts.
Everett They can still be serviced. They can still be
Everett repaired. You will be able to find parts for 5100s from now until the end of time. That's not
Everett a concern. Yeah. But what you
Everett can't do is you can't pick up a brand new 50100 movement and
Andrew plop it in your watch. True.
Everett I think that's a point for the 7750.
Andrew I think it's a big point for the 7750.
Everett It's survived. Now many
Andrew of the seventy-seven fifty uh iterations that are available are either cost prohibitive or suck. There there are I uh from from my my looking into them there weren't many out there that were particularly appealing, maybe just to me.
Everett You mean today? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Andrew In the way of brand new inbox watches. Now there there were some that were quite appealing, but they were also twelve thousand dollars.
Everett Yeah. So Yeah, which is interesting because uh another point we're gonna give
Everett the the 7750 is its relative thinness to the
Everett 5100. Yeah. If you don't remember, the
Everett 5100 comes in at a whopping eight point two millimeters. Well, the seventy-seven fifty smokes it at seven point
Everett nine millimeters.
Andrew Both like that. Was that the call that Mike reviewed for time bum? The globe.
Everett Right. There's no way to read it. It's just
Andrew it's just a space watch. It's just a it's just a watch.
Everett Yeah. It's just a lump of of metal
Everett and glass on your wrist. Yeah. Yeah.
Andrew That's what they look like. Yeah. Well
Everett and and that's true. So these are both really by today's standards chunky
Everett movements. And and some good
Andrew reasons for that, right? Part of their utility
Everett and part of their uh usefulness is the ability to work on them. And part of that is that you're not cramming things in and the indelicacy of the parts used. But yeah, big watches, man.
Andrew Yeah, and and the being that big, it a pair of tweezers and and you can service this watch.
Everett Yeah, right. It's like uh Ford three fifty one C,
Everett you know, where you just sort of hop in the you hop in the
Everett canopy and pull the alternator out or
Andrew whatever, right? Yeah.
Everett So a thing we just talked about. 5100 uses central minutes.
Andrew Really cool. The layout,
Everett I think, generally favors a 5100.
Andrew Yes. But and that the 5100 layout is preferable to all other chronograph layouts.
Everett Perhaps. Ever. In the
Andrew way of functionality readability, it is superior.
Everett And both the 70 se both the 7750
Everett and the 5010 have had
Everett multiple iterations, but but generally the layouts are the same across the models. And that central second hands or excuse
Everett me, central minute counter on the 5100, I think is a is a significant is a significant advantage.
Andrew That's a big, big 50100 point. Even
Everett though 77 mods can can replicate or or come
Everett close to replicating that function today. Another point for the fifty-one hundred?
Andrew Do it. It's way tougher. Yeah.
Everett I mean the seventy seven fifty is a robust movement.
Everett By all accounts, easy to work on. I I've I've I've read watchmakers describe it as
Everett a pleasure, quote unquote pleasure to work on.
Everett I think fifty one hundred gets the same treatment.
Everett They just don't have to work on 5100s
Everett as often. No, because if you've if you've
Andrew damaged your 5100 it it's it's irreparably so.
Everett It's a fucking tank. It was the
Andrew pre-G Shock G Shock. In
Everett some really significant ways, yeah, I
Everett think that's right. I think that's right. This was
Everett the original tool
Andrew chronograph. And for good reason.
Everett Both movements come with day-day date functions.
Everett I think that the fifty one hundred
Everett it's e easier to implement.
Andrew I don't know that that really gets me excited.
Everett Both wind in one direction, so that's a tie. And both
Everett are really fucking ugly. Yeah. Both are really ugly. They're both huge.
Andrew They're nineteen eighties, Civic and Corolla, respectively.
Everett That's right. So take your pick. Do you want
Everett the accord or do you want the corolla? You
Everett can only have one.
Andrew Me? You can only have one.
Everett Ah you know I I think I go
Andrew 5100. Corolla. Yeah.
Everett You're a Toyota man. I appreciate that about you. I'm also a Toyota
Andrew man. Yeah. I'm also a Toyota man.
Everett I actually, in researching for this episode, found myself lamenting the loss of 5100. Something
Everett I've never, it's never occurred to me to lament.
Everett I'm sad. Hopefully they
Andrew just put it on a shelf. Yeah. Hopefully
Everett Chuck's still got it above the bathroom hut.
Andrew He's just toddling around his house. Just lamenting again that they've taken this project from him.
Everett Well, Andrew, I've exhausted my notes for this episode. What about
Andrew you? That's that's I mean you we we've hit all the high points. We've hit the we we've hit what we wanted to hit. We celebrated these two huge movements. And I think our f for the watch community have cult followings, which is like that's ultra cult following. But largely in the watch world, I I think people are aware of these movements and aware of the significance of these movements, but not fully aware of just how significant they both were. And how lucky we are to have had them. Because they almost did not survive. But for just a couple assholes who were like, nah.
Everett And in the case of the 7750, to have
Andrew them. Yeah. To have them, right?
Everett Um you know there's a
Everett there's a fellow in the Bay Area who I've run into at a couple meetups and he he's a great guy, fantastic watch collector. But one of the first things he ever said to me had to do with the 7750 and how it sucks because it's huge.
Everett And I can appreciate that.
Everett Uh in in some meaningful ways. Uh, but with that
Everett said, it's sort of one of a kind. Still today, if you want a cheap automatic chronograph, you're probably
Everett looking at a 7750. Yeah.
Andrew And they're not cheap. Yeah,
Everett that's right. That's right. And you
Everett can get them in cheap watches, right? Uh, I
Everett think the parti in particular the used market for
Everett seventy seven fifties, there are some gems to be had.
Everett And and same for fifty one hundred, right? So uh that's not a that that's that's not a one way street.
Andrew I I was thinking cheap in the way of connotation. They're inexpensive.
Everett Oh, yeah. And and you're
Andrew gonna get a s a lot of value knowing that that's what's powering your watch.
Everett Yeah, I do personally. I I'm a big fan.
Andrew Yeah. Yeah, you love that watch. It's not I mean it's not a particularly attractive watch. You
Everett know, everybody hates this watch. But it's a cool watch. I love it. Yeah.
Everett I bought it. It was sort of an impulse by.
Andrew It's my second least favorite watch you have.
Everett Is my least favorite the titanium G?
Andrew Yeah. And these are two, they're
Everett probably two of my favorites, right? These
Everett two and the uh and the pulsar. Yeah.
Andrew I love the pulsar. I don't like the titanium G. And that just doesn't that just doesn't do it for me. I like the watch, it's cool. I I I see I see what you see in it, but it it doesn't do it for me.
Everett Yeah, you know you know, this watch is very
Everett much so just again talking
Everett about the FA eighteen
Everett Victorinox. Uh this
Everett is not part of the Victorinox professional
Everett line, which was a thing in the late 90s, early 2000s,
Everett I think. This is not part of that Victorinox professional line, but it's very much in line with that that pro line. I think that this was probably about an eleven hundred dollar
Everett watch when it was new. You can pick them up for five to seven hundred, probably a little bit more on a bracelet today. Um
Everett I bought it and I was like, that's a seventy seven fifty and a great looking package. It's compact. It's about thirty-nine
Everett millimeters, maybe thirty-eight millimeters.
Andrew Oh, it's it would be so great if it had a thin movement in it.
Everett If this had an El Primero, it would be a good sick. Uh I I actually kind of like the chunkiness. You know, I've been wearing it
Everett on this gray pebble
Everett sort of uh charcoal pebble from uh Cascadia Strap Company, our friends in Portland. Um and it wears really well on this strap, but I think I might put it on a NATO for a couple months. Maybe a black NATO or something, um just to
Andrew just some more rhythm presence? Yeah.
Everett Yeah. Well, uh you know, that's that's a concern,
Andrew right? Um I don't mind it,
Everett right? I don't mind the chunkiness. And and and really it's compact enough that it's not particularly huge. It fits under my shirt sleeves. So I don't have anything else, buddy.
Andrew That's it. We've covered it. We did
Everett it. Welcome to the world of the 7750
Andrew and the 15100. You know, we're
Everett not we're not experts at anything, right? No.
Andrew We're not even good at our real jobs. I'm
Everett an expert on real property law.
Everett Andrew is an expert on law enforcement. And
Everett outside of that, we know shit about shit.
Andrew I can I can drink a good beer though.
Everett So there's a chance we got some stuff wrong. We certainly mispronounced names. We
Everett probably got years wrong at some point. Uh feel free to chat with us. If it's important, we'll make the correction um
Everett or just to say hey there's more to this story and you
Everett guys missed it we love that uh and if
Everett it's appropriate we will we'll update
Everett this this uh this episode
Andrew or we won't.
Everett Andrew, other things. What do you got?
Andrew I got a new thing. And it it's something that has uh something of the like has been in my targeted advertising and it's been in my uh consciousness for some time. Um but with all the trim work that I've been doing, uh I finally got a tool that I've been kind of like intrigued by and
Everett is it a fest tool? No. Uh
Andrew and kind of excited about getting, but just haven't really had the reason to buy it. I got a contour duplication gauge. Tell me more. So what it is.
Everett Okay, I can see it. They can't see it.
Andrew It is a ruler with some free sliding teeth. Like it's a comb, basically. And what you do is you take this ruler
Everett and you and you you press
Andrew it. Uh no, imagine the things that you used to play with as a kid. For those of you who were kids in the 90s, that metal box that metal box that you put your hand in and then you turn it over and it held the mold.
Everett Yeah. Okay, it is that in
Andrew two dimensions. In two dimensions, for the purpose of measuring strange shapes and angles for which to cut things around.
Everett Oh I'm feeling so
Andrew what you do is you just place it against the weird object that you're having to cut against. You create the mold, you pull it back, you use that mold as a stencil on your material and you cut it. And I got one at Lowe's. I got like just the cheap right there on the shelf at Lowe's, like 16 bucks. You can find nicer ones that lock and that are a little bit more robust for probably 20 to 30 bucks, but they're not an expensive tool. Uh they're they're a fun tool because they're cool to just play with. Because all of us remember putting your hand on that metal pin thing and then your face on that metal pin thing and forming it to your face. So that's what I have now, but for a quote
Everett unquote face. Yeah.
Andrew Yep. Uh so that's what we have now. And I I used it to cut some uh threshold covers for tile to hardwood transition. Yeah. I used it to cut some trim pieces. I I used it a lot. I use it on things it didn't need used on today.
Everett That's a 45 Andrew. Yeah. Yeah.
Andrew No, I'm familiar with that cut. Uh I my miter saw locks at that angle, but I I'm gonna stencil that shit and use a and use a circular saw. Um so yeah, that's uh that's my other thing. Uh the one that I've I've seen a bunch of ads, but I just got I got the Lowe's special. I have here pulled up um from a a company called Smart Sacker.
Everett Sacker. That's what it is. Sacker.
Andrew Uh and I think this is I I think this is the one that has I've had all the targeted ads for. Um and honestly it it seems superior to the one that I have. It's a it it's a little bit more robust. It locks in place, which is nice. Yeah,
Everett it looks like it's got some screws or something. Well so
Andrew you can adjust the tension, but it also locks. So uh you can you can once your stencil is is made you can lock it in place so you don't get any free floating teeth while you while you adjust from one platform to the next. So this is uh well it says it's on sale from eighty dollars.
Everett It's like uh that's like Invicta
Andrew sale. It's forty bucks. Yeah. So yeah, you know, right on the top end. But um
Everett I think if you're doing any sort of tile or anything like that, that's
Andrew Tile thresholds, yeah. Just anything anything weird.
Everett Yeah. Uh uh Yeah.
Andrew It's it's worth worth taking a look at. It's just kind of a fun tool to have, even if you're not using it. It's a toy, basically for me.
Everett You know, I would say the one thing I see about that is
Everett it doesn't have a ton of depth. I would like it if it was that looks to me like it's probably about six inches of usable depth, maybe
Everett four. I would like that if it was about
Everett eighteen inches of usable depth. Yeah,
Andrew but at that point you're like the
Everett Yeah, sure. That's unnecessary
Andrew amount. Yeah, well I'm thinking about like tile
Everett like cutting around uh
Everett vent floor vents or something but yeah
Everett yeah i I mean eight eighteen's probably excessive
Andrew yeah if you're if you're having to I mean I I see worlds where you're gonna have to cut more than six inches, but at that point you should be using something else for your stencil. Good pick. I
Everett like it. Yeah. I've got another thing. Do me.
Everett So I I've seen on Disney
Everett Plus and and furthermore on like uh uh Gizmodo or whatever websites I I'm on, blogs and whatnot,
Everett uh mention of the new Marvel series WandaVision, which is actually the names of two Marvel characters who fall in love and become romantic.
Andrew It looks very weird.
Everett So I had the same feeling.
Everett I was like, this looks stupid.
Everett I don't get it. I don't get what they're trying to do. The way the
Everett trailers present this is Marvel
Everett characters in a 1950s sitcom, sort of an I Love
Everett Lucy, yeah, era sitcom.
Everett And and that's not inaccurate for a little bit. Um took a flyer because the kids were into it. Betty in particular was like,
Everett I want to watch WandaVision. I was like, well shit
Everett man, if you want to watch Wandavision, I want to watch WandaVision.
Andrew Is it sitcom or is it superhero y?
Everett You gotta watch or is it neither? It is both. And it's more superheroy as we advance. Um, it's phenomenal.
Everett So I think we watched episode four tonight, and I believe we're current. Uh, and I
Everett cannot wait to watch the next
Everett episode. It is
Everett amazing. And I'm not going to tell
Everett you anything about it because anything
Everett I tell you will ruin it. No. It's
Everett that bad. Uh no.
Everett But the joy is in the twists.
Andrew Okay. The joy is in the twists.
Everett Uh it is totally delicious
Everett entertainment. I'm into it. I don't want to tell you too much. Uh, you're gonna see characters
Everett that you didn't expect to see. They're gonna be
Everett sort of sprinkled in. Really fucking good. No,
Andrew I like it. Talking to Will earlier, he
Everett says, I think I'll wait until they're all out. I don't think that's a terrible idea. If you're the type of person that just wants to binge, this is gonna be a gas to binge is my guess.
Everett I'm only four episodes in. Everybody
Everett is only four episodes in.
Everett With that said, if you don't mind waiting a week,
Andrew I do mind waiting a week. Well, some people
Everett don't. That's an upset. Since Game of Thrones
Andrew that have had to wait a week between episodes.
Everett If you don't we it really makes Betty
Everett mad, by the way. My child, who
Everett has never experienced anything besides
Everett binge binge ability TV shows, is really frustrated by she was like, they've already released they've
Everett already filmed these all. Dad, I
Everett read about it online. They've
Everett wrapped production. This is my lovely
Everett eight year old. You know, these motherfuckers are
Andrew holding out on us. Mark pitched a fit tonight about an ad. We were watching something on Hulu. He's like, Why do we have ads? I just want to watch my show. This is
Everett so dumb. I was like, I mean You're not wrong.
Andrew You're not wrong. But you know, back in my day I used to have to run to the bathroom during commercial breaks.
Everett Uphill in the snow both ways.
Everett So yeah. Uh if if you don't mind that. In fact, if
Everett you kinda like it, and I kind of like
Everett it, uh if you kinda like it, I recommend starting
Andrew it right now. It is so good.
Everett So interesting. I'm hooked.
Andrew I I wish that Disney was doing it the way bam or uh Netflix does it. Just drop the whole season. Give it to me in one in one swoop. I don't y you don't need to keep me interested. I the the play button on my remote will keep me interested.
Everett You know, I think there's gotta be something to it, right? There's gotta be something to
Andrew it. Yeah. HBO
Everett has not gone away from that model and HBO makes bucket loads of money.
Everett And so does Netflix. But Netflix
Everett has way more content than HBO and HBO makes almost as much money. So
Andrew Yeah. And and HBO's shelling out a lot more money.
Everett Yeah. So Andrew, anything
Everett you wanna add before we go? No.
Andrew No, that's it for me. Well, thanks for coming over. Yeah.
Everett Isn't that gonna be fun when you could just walk across the street for that?
Andrew We could like we'll we're gonna have some weird episodes.
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