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All the Best Integrated Steel (382)

Published on Mon, 23 Feb 2026 22:49:09 -0800

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In this episode of the 40 and 20 WatchClicker podcast, hosts Andrew and Everett discuss recent watch releases while sharing personal anecdotes about food, particularly mortadella and emulsified meats. The conversation covers several new timepieces including Citizen's Soyosa line with rotating bezels and a Seconde collaboration, Nevada Grenchen's F-77 Mark II collection featuring stone dials, Meister Singer's Panthero jumping hour watch for their 25th anniversary, and a new Los Angeles-based brand called Camp with their automotive-inspired field timer. They particularly praise Yema's Wristmaster Slim with small seconds, calling it potentially the best affordable integrated steel sports watch on the market. The episode also features Andrew's other things segment about Chud's Barbecue YouTube channel and his mortadella-making adventures, while Everett discusses the surprisingly dark film "Send Help" starring Rachel McAdams. The hosts end with their usual call to support the podcast on Patreon.

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Andrew Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify, you're listening to 40 and 20, the WatchClicker podcast with your hosts Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, how are you? I'm doing great. I had some really good baloney tonight. Or mortadella. Is Mortadella, Andrew, do you know uh a type of baloney or is it a completely separate? I I think of it as baloney, but it's well baloney's baloney. Okay. Uh this is a you're baloney. You're baloney. Uh this is an emulsified sausage. Which is which is bologna, right? Bologna is also an emulsified sausage. So you're saying mortadella is not bologna. Correct. I'd also say the hot dog is not baloney. I had some mortadella baloney. Nor spam baloney. Gosh, I watched a YouTube video about this Hawaiian fellow. He's in uh uh Oahu. I'm not precisely sure where, but it must be, it must be Honolulu uh m making like local, like pure local meat. He buys only whole cows. He uses everything. And he makes primarily um stakes. Spam and well he it's a it's a full butcher. So you can get everything, but he also has like these great like Hawaiian emulsified cuts that they make in-house. And I was like, God, that just looks like you can just tell he loves his job. He loves what he do what he does. He loves the food. He loves the idea of what he does. Like he's just like, God, that's a cool That's the dream right there. That's the dream. That's the dream. He just seemed happy. And you know, he gets these like Thursdays. He'll get like two or three cows and just start just start working. Breaking them up. That's a it's like a really therapeutic like zen pro processcess to meat. Hey I was gonna ask you if you've ever done it, but of course you have. I have not. I've never processed, I mean I've processed a lot of fish, including pretty big fish, but never uh a mammal. It's a very zen process. Cause you gotta go slow. And like you're forced to go slow simply by like the mass of what you're doing. And typically the slower you go, the more precise you can be, and you gotta just be very in the moment that you're doing because the last thing you want to do is cut the guts or cut your finger. Yeah. And you just slowly work at it. Yeah. Yeah. No, I mean I can s I can see it. You know, I'm not uh I'm certainly not like a a hunter or like a meat guy, uh although I do like meat. You love meat. I do. Uh but i the way, you know the way he was doing his business and the way he was into it, I like I found that really the whole thing really appealing. I was like, Yeah, I could see I could see that. You could just see like the look on his face as he like got started into the process too. Like not it it there was nothing like perverse about it, but it was just like this genuine appreciation for what he was doing. I was like, oh that's cool. Well, 'cause it's not another thing. So uh it's just a thing that that that happened in passing. Andrew, how are you? Uh I'm good. I I made some uh mortadella this week. Oh you did that's a cool that's a coincidence. I did make it. Um I it's actually it's kind of a a funny story. Just that word popped into my head. Mortadella. Yeah. Like a month ago. It sounds like a Disney villain. It does. So it popped into my head, and I was like, hmm, I'm gonna have to do something about that. And ultimately, now it's come to fruition because you know we talked about a couple months ago I'm I'm on a sausage journey uh and I'm this is more than make in more ways than one foot yes and uh you know this is now among the among the things that I've tried because you can't make a pound of sausage. Physically you can make a pound of sausage. It's just kind of silly. Yeah. Especially when you're casing things. Yeah. So, you know, I have five pounds of sausage. How does Mortadell freeze? Uh you know, we're gonna see. Okay. It I mean in theory it should freeze pretty well. My concern is that it's a because it's emulsified, there's just a lot of moisture moisture in it. I know it'll freeze fine. My concern is it'll get a little air pockety when it thaws. Vacuum vacuum pack it. Yeah, I packed it, but there's still moisture in it. My concern is that it'll be a little air pockety on the thaw. Just like tofu is really different after it's been frozen. Never had thawed tofu tofu. Oh I I maybe I have. I don't know. Most of the time we have tofu. It's been thawed from the freezer. Uh and just the extra moisture in there just pushes it just it air pockets out when it when it defrosts. So I think that could happen, but it's still gonna taste good. Uh sure. And there's enough there's enough fat there that it should carve some sense. Yeah, I don't think it I I mean it's also sandwich meat, so we're not like looking for the decadent texture. We're just looking for nice smoky flavor. Totally. And we'll talk more about that. But otherwise I'm good. I'm fried bologna is one of my favorites. I love fried bologna. I have a things. I got a meat press, so there's actually some bologna in my fridge cooling right now that'll hit the slicer tomorrow. I also feel like when I say bologna, I mean mortadella as well. I'm including it. I'm creating a category. All cured emulsified meats. I mean that's greater exactly fair. Greater than three inches in a hot dog. In a hot dog is different. Is it in texture, firmness, size? Yeah, it's what like greater than an inch across. In all sorts of ways. Mordadella and Bologna are very Bologna is beef. Mordadella is pork. Okay, fair enough. Okay. That's a f you know what? That's a fair distinction. Okay. That's a fair distinction. Okay. It is, it's pork. This is pork. It's very beefy. Interesting. It's all pork. Interesting. It's pork shoulder, pork back fat, uh, and then some pork belly fat. I I didn't mean beefy, but it's meaty, right? Super meaty, yeah. Yeah. You get a big meat flavor. I think it's because I used pork shoulder and not like pork loin or something like that. Like I got a that's a really porky. I was actually kind of concerned. The uh the farce was like dark like red almost and then it came out very very pink in any event we're not here to talk about cured beets although we could I mean we could we're a bit of an expert in the cured meat. Rherat we',re here to talk about watches. Oh, that thing that we do. And you also are a bit of an expert on watches, and I wouldn't go so far as to say that much, but I talk about them with great regularity. Yeah, you know, I wonder, you know, we're excuse me, we're in this world of people who know about watches. And I always I often feel like I'm the one who knows the least about watches in the group I'm in? But you know, at the end of the day, we talk about them the most in the world, relatively speaking, I think we're experts. I'm an expert on only a few things, Andrew. I'm not gonna take this from you. My left hand and watches. Right hand. No, no. That's the social one. That's right. Okay. That's right. I the right hand I use to wipe my ass and to shake hands, sometimes you know, in sequence. Andrew, what get it started? Oh my gosh, citizen. You guys, they finally have done it. They've given us the thing. A Soyosa rotating bezel. They have two new colorways out. A very, very citizen red, two-tone, and then a really, really good turquoisey, lovely blue. And I am very here for it. Um, I think they've actually got four colors of this. So they've got Oh they have Yeah Yeah They have They've got a real blue and then a Like a navy And then a gold with green dial All of these have a matching bezel uh and they're still hitting at that soyosa price point of 300 under 400 bucks under 400 yeah uh even in the gold tones and man, love it. And rotating bezels. Yeah, I read a couple of different reviews slash articles on these, and everybody's being very careful not to call them a dive watch, which I'm fine with, right? It's a it yeah, because they've got what a hundred meters of water resistance. Up from fifty, I think, in the standard fair Soyosa, which is great. But they finally given us the rotating bezel. I I mean, I guess I I don't have any qualms about not calling it a diver, okay, right? That's obviously not a dive watch. And coming from citizen, they would know. Mm-hmm. But it it seems like almost people are being very careful not to call it a die watch. Which I think is a little odd. It it's it it it's almost like they don't want to risk being the asshole for saying this is a dive watch because it has a rotating bezel. Were you able to find out how many clicks there were on the bezel? I'm sure it's more than 60. I bet it's a 120 degree. Like 120 click uni directional. I was not able to find that piece of information. Uh then it's almost certainly 120. That's the default. Citizen isn't gonna go go do something weird. Or it's or it's friction. Friction. I don't think it's gonna be a friction. Why not? Because that would be weird for citizen. Do they have any other friction bezels? If it's if it's timex, I accept like right out of the gate, I'm gonna assume it's friction bezel, but because it's citizen, I'm assuming they're using their already existing bezel technology and just dropping a 120 unidirectional in it. Yeah, I I I don't know. I don't know. I I did find it a little bit. it's a a unidirectional rotating bezel, which means it's it's a 120. Or it means it's a friction fit. I mean you you can't have a uni friction fit. Shh oh I think you may be right about that. I was gonna say sure you can, but no, I think I don't know that you couldn't, but I I think you're it would be weirder to have a unidirectional friction fit. We never see that. That would be like revolutionary. Yeah, you might be right about that, Andrew. Uh when do these come out? Oh, they they've got to be coming out soon. In the next if they're not already available, they've got to be coming out in the next couple weeks. Because this is their beginning of their spring lines. Let's see. It could be 60 click too. But they don't what other what 60 clicks does Citizen have? Yeah, I don't know. They're not gonna develop something new for this. I said I don't know, okay. And you're you're the one proposing alternatives to the clear reality, the Arkansas, if you will. Arkans? Yeah. Uh the the most likely scenarios this, is a hundred and twenty-click unidirectional. There are is obviously the possibility that it's a friction fit unidirectional. How badass would that be? It'd be pretty baller. It'd be pretty baller. Uh there's the real possibility that it's a 60-click unidirectional. And then for those of you out there who just really want to kick the hornet's nest, maybe it's four-click unidirectional. We just don't know. Good chunk. No, you're probably right. Andrew, I think you're right. It's probably a mushy, mushy 120 click. But we don't know. We could be four. Could be 30. Who knows? Not this guy because I haven't clicked one. Uh colors on it are good. I like I like that Citizen. I like that Citizen is putting effort into the Soyosa line. I like that they're growing it. Um I like that it is a direct competitor with the PRX, but it has its own flavor, right? This isn't uh a just a PRX citizen. Yeah. This is its own thing that exists in the same space. And I think now kind of stands up for itself. You know, this has been many years ago. Probably at least six years ago, maybe seven, I said on the show something to the effect of you know, citizen, it's it's odd that citizen, a brand that houses Miyota, you know, a company that houses Miyoda has moved so far away from automatic movements. And I'm paraphrasing heavily. This has been so long ago. I don't remember exactly what I said. And it was one of our very early sort of grumpy online comments, uh uh all about how you know, I don't know what I'm talking about, and you know, citizens got the ny0040 and uh which we had mentioned on the show, by the way. In fact, I think we had been talking about the NY0040 wouldn't have made the comment. So uh at the time, I thought this guy is so dumb. Like uh that makes my point right citizen had at that time moved really far away i love i love the fact that citizen is expanding their their available automatic watches, right? Yeah, we don't just see all of the citizen ass behind EcoDrive. And I love EcoDrive. I think EcoDrive is hands down the coolest movement on the planet. But you can't just hang it all there and be okay. It's when you have all this other cool shit to work with. Yeah. Yeah. And and then we see really discrete, intentionally different lines in their automatic movements. We see in in and the in their automatic world and then we see their eco-drive portfolio and we see these these well-developed now ecosystems within citizen that house these different movements and really leverage them. I I think at this point pretty close to their full potential. Yeah. Yeah. They could do anything they want. The'yve got enough money. Yeah, they do. They do all kinds of stupid shit all the time. This is not one of them though. This is cool. And it's cool. Yeah. No. But but i y you know, I I guess yeah, th th it is what it is. Point point being citizen has r really opened themselves back up to the possibility of being a player in the automatic world. And you're right, Andrew, the price on these is killer, right? It it's a hundred meter watch that's just cool and interesting. They're selling it for 400 bucks. It's it's an 8210, right? It's not a crazy movement, but um but it's also 400 bucks. That's right. That that's that's exactly right. Uh it's not on my list, but we may as well just talk about it because we're talking about the Soyosa already. Uh uh many, many headlines today or this week, I should say, uh, I think on Friday, about the new citizen second second cut. I think it's second second. I think usually the E is silent. Second. Uh maybe. Maybe. Cut through the noise and the dial with their new Suyosa collaboration, Hodinki says, um, you know, Sakande Seconde gets headlines, right? If you want to sell 400 watches the very best way to do that in 2026 is to release a collaboration with secante secante i believe. And that's what Citizen has done here with a uh Suyosa non-rotating bezel, just a regular old sport bezel, a regular old sport bezel Suyosa with a dial that has been uh cut with a sword. I think we've seen this dial before, haven't we? I'm sure we've seen the style before. I don't know which seconde seconde collaboration we saw it in. Cause it's it this this has got to be collaboration four four thousand in the last two calendar years. Um but this style looks super familiar. Such that I feel like I've seen it before. Yeah, no, I think we I I I want to say they've done this already, but a little bit different. Uh pixelated sort of Minecraft uh katana minute's hand. And then a little song on the back. It says a quote says, Being smaller has never stopped minutes from slicing hours into pieces, which is been attributed to Sicante Sicante. It's a bold move to quote yourself. I want to say they're taking the piss a little bit. It it's it's clever, it's fun, it's attractive. Um yeah, it's cool. And they're making I said 400 watches, they're making thirty six hundred of these It's also i it's it is a subtle collaboration, right? This isn't IFL watches Sure. It's noticeable. Sure. But it's not crazy. It it's like that minutan's a little crazy. It it is, but because of the dial color and the way they've they've built the color onto that minute hand. It kind of blends in. Uh and it just kinda looks like they just twisted the center section of the of the dial, just you know, five degrees. Sub five hundred bucks cuts in all. Uh yeah, 117. This is just a 40 minute, 40 millimeter, 50 meter water resistance Soyosa at 117. Oh, one thing we didn't didn't mention about the not a diver rotating bezel sport bezel is it is the little thicker 12-4 from 11-5. But you have the additional water resistance. These are showing twelve five. Twelve five. Yeah, that's right. On the on the not a diver twelve five, these are eleven seven. Yeah. The regular sport bezel. Yeah, which makes sense. Yeah. You add fifty meters of water resistance and uh and a uh full bezel on there, you're gonna get some thickness. Yeah, that that's right. That's right. Something I think we I I I I don't know if we've talked about it before. The Cyclops on the Ceosa is so well executed. I feel like it's really easy to fuck that up and I think they just did a good job with it. I you disagree. You're really reluctant to opine. I don't disagree with you. I I just don't I don't care about it. It doesn't bother me, but I I also just think it's a cyclops. Uh I I find like I think people that hate cyclopses are not gonna be like, Oh, this is a good cyclops. I find myself easily bothered by them. This one doesn't bother me. Alright. Well, there you go. You heard it. You heard it here first. So I stole one of your watches. I'm sorry about that. Weird. That that sounds like something you would do. But you have too many to talk about so pick your next one. Um no you're up since we we you just piggybacked that one. I'll let you you can that can be a writer and you can have your own pick. This feels special. This feels like a special moment that we're having right now. Um, I would like to talk about Nevada Grenchan, the hundred-year-old company known as Nevada. Um Um are releasing are releasing have released last week have released um I think eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, twelve to sixteen excuse a bunch. I'm not sure of F seventy seven mark twos. F seventy seven being uh nineteen seventies release, revived in a Mark II last year. They've just released this in a whole bunch uh of a whole bunch of or or no originally F-77 from the 70s, Mark I released a bit ago. They've released this in a bunch of Mark II SKUs. And some of them are fine. Some of them are fine. Uh what they're calling what they're calling a tr is it trust? What what is the word that they're using for the trust a trest dial, which is like a basket dial. Uh, we've got a black, a white, a really sort of sharp electric blue, and a gray. These all come in date or no date. F-77. This is like a $1,200 really killer integrated bracelet. If you don't know what the F-77 is, you should look it up. Uh, we we've got 100 meters of water resistance, bolted on bezel, octagonal bezel. Um, they've slimmed this thing down from 1265 now to 122. They've curved the lugs a little bit more uh for better ergonomics, 100 meters of water resistance, double dome sapphire crystal, which includes that 12-2, includes that double dome sapphire. So really great dimensions on these. The truss dials all come in a date or a no date version, but also they released four stone dials, Andrew. Is this a Venturine or is it Obsidian? So these come in both a blue eventurine or a regular dark Aventurine, a green Aventurine, which I don't think I've ever seen a Watch Dial. I'm sure they exist, but I don't remember seeing a watchdile in green adventuring. Um a lapis with stone and a meteorite. So green adventuring is known as the stone of opportunity. It's a symbol of optimism, vitality, and quiet confidence. Its natural shimmer, aventurescence, catches the light with a refined sparkle, elevating everyday moments without shouting for attention. This it shouts for attention. I'll tell you what, that thing is that thing is shouting from the rooftops for attention. It's got like thirsty, a galaxy texture to it, especially when you add the adventuring sparkle. It is really sexy. I'll tell you this. I like green adventuring about a million times better than I like Malachite. Malachite being sort of the soup de jour when it comes to stone green dials. Uh green adventuring is sexy AF, I think. Um yeah. Lapis, which is maybe not my thing, lapis lozzally a meteorite. I really like the lapis. A very dark monoolu. How do you say that word? I was so close. I don't know. It is Muanio Nalusta. Muano Nalusta. I think you should say. Which is the Swedish meteor that people like just go out into the forest and they find chunks of it and sell it to watch companies. Um it's like hunting for morales. Yeah, and these stone dials are rat. Oh I believe they're all no dates. Um and and they just look terrific. They just look terrific. These are all great. I love this release. I love it. Mm-hmm. That gray trested dial is hot. Hot. Especially the no date is just looks fun. And these the everything about this watch all of the dial options scream way further up market than twelve to fifteen hundred dollar watch. Yeah, I think finishing on these looks phenomenal. Yep. Tons of variation on the finishing too. Yeah, yeah. About a dozen different variables of of finishing. This end link to case. And what do you think about the end link? That's maybe the one part of this that i i don't know if i've decided on yet i think i love it okay because it gives you a good so so this is like a two-part end link in your integrated s bracelet one actually connects the end link to the watch and then you get really good articulation in that s in that tr that moving link that I think will solve a problem that exists for some people in integrated bracelets, and that that end link is just like you get what you get. Right. Like the Suyosas. Uh you know. Like why have that intermediate piece? And I'm not suggesting the you know the answer, but I don't know. I mean I'm not And I'm sure there is an answer to I I like this articulation. I think it lends itself to fitting more people more better. Uh and it I think it it just looks good. This is how do you think that that would work any better than the Soyosa and I think you're gonna resolve any kind of rattle in that. I think you get really good tight tolerances in that that initial connection to the watch, and then you get the the free flow of that that female end link. Rather than your whole end link being the moving piece. Okay. I I I I'm willing, at least in theory, to accept that as a potential answer. That doesn't sound unrealistic. That's what I what I see initially. It also it I think it lends itself to this industrial kind of not steampunky, but that very industrial look that the rest of this watch just bellows. Sure. Components. Yeah. I want components. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's cool, man. I I think this is a I think this is a really fun release. I like that they just dropped a whole shitload of SKUs on us. You know what? We've we've dropped a couple watches this year. Ready for twenty? Yeah. Yeah. Uh i i I I'm a big fan. You know, uh i i it's not my favorite it's not my favorite sort of affordable integrated sports watch. No uh we're probably going to talk, I think, in a little bit about my favorite affordable integrated dress sports watch. But this is up there, especially at the like thousand-ish. This is in, I think, every How much is the basic Christopher Ward twelve? The twelve? Yeah. I think they're twelve hundred bucks. Cause I think that that's that's maybe the other possibility for me in terms of like I think I maybe like this more than the twelve. I think it's hard to say. So the 12 is 14, the 40mm 12 is 1400 bucks. Uh I am guessing that the that Christopher Ward's probably doing a little bit better fit and finish just because it's Christopher Ward. They do better fit and finish. I don't know, man. Did you get into the Novata Grenchan table when we were wind up? I don't think I did. I did. And I exactly everything that I put my hands on, I was really impressed with. High spit polish. Yeah. I'm sure that's true. I s I still think Christopher Ward probably beats him in that regard. Just a little bit. Yes. But like bracelets. I know the bracelets are better. I just know. Even even without knowing, I know the bracelets better. And I think it's thinner too. Anyway, I I mean they're really close though, right? That's the point. They're in the same conversation. There's not a clear a clear winner there. Yeah. What's an X? Meister Singer. Oh quickly. Much better movement in the Nevada. Yeah, P024. Yeah. Versus the Selita 200. Yeah. Carry on. Uh Meister Singer Panthero jumping hours to celebrate the brand's 25th anniversary. And for those of you who say Meister Singer' as one-trick pony and does just single hand watches, you're wrong about that. Uh because they do more than that. They have now introduced a jumping hour with a minute hand also available. Really lovely. Uh what are you why are you making a weird face? I'm just listening to you and and smiling about your own we have three dial options. Three dial options. They all come with the same kind of uh gunmetal-y silver minute track. The Meister Singer logo is different colors on each. The Meister Singer name at the six o'clock on two of the dials. So two of the dials, the plain black and the plain white, are really good. They look like they look lacquered. Um but they're not. They're just a glossy white or a glossy black. Um, the black is just like pits of hell, deep, inky, rich, super good looking. It's a real like like it's I feel dumb describing the color black, but this is a really good black. This is an anthracite. This isn't like a dark gray. This is the the abyss kind of black that just soaks up color. The white is a really, really crisp Arctic white. Uh on the white, we've got black minute hand, black logo, and then on the black, we've got you know the the reverse of it in the the panda, but real exciting one is this silver CNC Gioche that is just super cool. Again. It's the only one I'm not crazy about. Really? Man, I love it. I think Yosha's obviously super cool. I wish that this was the white one though. Oh the, white in that. Yeah. It it might ruin the white, how crisp that is. Maybe. It would it would kind of break it up and you wouldn't get that same crispy uh Totally positive. Like it this white looks like a sheet of ice right after a Zamboni has gone over it. Uh it's good. Uh these are 40.5mm case which is a big watch, but that's kind of how Meister Singer rolls. It's their thing, right? It's it's uh base S uh Solita SW300 movement, five bars of water resistance, um it and they're expensive the gioche is about 8,000 pounds and it's limited to 25 the black and the white are about 7,000 pounds or euros, excuse me.und Pos and Euros are different. Uh but to us Americans it's just monopoly money because nobody knows how to Did you say 45 millimeter? Forty point five? Forty point five, just yeah. They maybe said 45, but it's 40.5. Really, really cool. Meister Singer's always on my list. They like I just I I am here for what they're doing. Do we know who made this jumping hour jumping? Do we know who made this jumping hour module? I it Meister Singer? I I don't know if that's a rhetorical question. I don't know if you're if it's a leading question objection, Your Honor. No, no. I I'm no, it's a genuine question. Uh because the the JJ O one module that Christopher Ward makes, what goes on the two hundred dash one movement. I don't know, this is theirs, it goes on the three hundred. Right. Right. Right. I I mean I'm not suggesting that they don't have the ass to m make a a module, but I'd be surprised if they actually designed this module in house. There is no that that I do I am seeing that. So I I mean I wonder if it is a uh if it's a JJ O one or some sort of variation on the JJ O one. Uh I mean it' its's the MSJH01. MS Meister Singer Jumping Hour 01. Yeah. So I don't know. I mean, I mean I don't know how hard it is to design a module period. I mean I think it's hard, right? I don't know. Well. I don't know anything. Why don't you why don't you design one and let me know how it goes? Okay. I I do think it's possible that this is that they've got to do a word on this. Yeah, I mean I don't think it's out of the realm of possible because jumping hour is not a a jumping hour module's not super novel anymore. We've seen Well, we just had this conversation last week, right? Everybody and their mother. We've seen a few dozen of them. I mean, they're they're proprietary so probably insofar as what movement you're putting your module on top of, but in the way of the actual mechanics of it, it they all have to be pretty similar to be able to fit into that confined space. Um so my assumption is that like a couple watchmakers can reverse engineer a new module to drop on top of a 300 Sure. It's obviously we're obviously not talking about completely wholesale new. It's only X amount of ways to skin that cat. This is cool, man, but it's expensive. It is spensive. And Meister Singer is not particularly cheap to begin with, but um I I think it's fun. This is one of my favorite Meister Singer releases that I know and the excuse me, the Giosh isn't your favorite, but uh I think it's super fun. That kind of spirally tentacle y Meister Singer logo that it runs in opposition to the the spiralling of the guillos is is is maybe that's what's what's getting me. Um I wr I read about a watch that I'd never heard of this week. Makes sense because a lot of the watches we read about are new. Well, specifically a watch brand I'd never heard of, but but also more interesting. A new watch brand. Uh it's a Los Angeles-based company called Camp. It is a brand new independent, or as I like to say, micro brand, uh, who's just released their first watch, which is a I think it's fair to say it's a field watch, although this field watch is automotive inspired. Um so it's a garage watch. Perhaps a they're calling this the camp field timer. So they're obviously not avoiding uh they're obviously not avoiding the definition, but these are each of these. There's three versions of the camp field timer. There is a um a red, which is really beautiful, and I'm trying to find the name of it. It is oh boy reds red. Uh here we go. Malaga red, Atlantic blue, and Florida green. These are each colors, uh, hues offered for the BMW O2 series, which is just a really, really lovely one of the coolest cars ever made. Uh, and these are each an homage to original colorways that the BMW O2 was offering it. Which I just think is I just think is really, really neat. We'll get the details out of the way. This is a 316L steel 39 millimeter case that's 47.2 millimeter long. Uh, they're hand-wound mechanical watches with 100 meters of water resistance, a domed crystal, a stepped bezel, and they come in at 10 millimeters almost exactly, which is really fucking cool. We've got Salita SW2101B movements in this, which is the 18 Joule hand wound Solita 200. Uh, and they've used the low grade version of this, but eat, but they've uh decorated the plates, which is and the and the wheel bridges, which makes it look really freaking cool. Uh comes with the bond clip style bracelet or a textile strap or a leather strap. Uh my favorite thing about these is the three colors each have their own fonts, each have separate fonts, and the fonts are all based in historical fonts. So for the Malaga Red, we've got 1940 Ford R For the Atlantic Blue, we've got uh a Hanzel space studio font called Stink, which is really clever. Is it with an A or an I? Uh it's with an I. It's a bummer. And for the Florida Green, we've got a Din 1451, which is uh a machine age Royal Prussian Rail Administration typeface, which is really fucking cool. Um the green appears to be it looks like it should be a um it looks like it should be a uh full loom dial. It's not, I don't believe, but it's sort of that color of green that sort of looks white yellow-ish. Um, lots of loom on these. Both the minute, hour, and the numerals are loomed on each of these. I think this is a really clever release. Uh if you told me this was a $2,300 watch, I would be disappointed, but not surprised. 900 bucks on these. Yeah. That's the real win here. I get especially when you get into such thoughtful design is to have this is basically three. This isn't three colors. This is three dials. Yeah. That's right. Uh it's three unique watches all housed in the same case. Uh that's a thing. And that's a thing worth considering uh for a $900 watch. And these, oh, the these are enamel dials, uh which means they're 10 layers of baked enamel paint with numerals applied and then another five layers of clear coat applied on top of that so each all the numerals in the writing floats above the dial. I don't know if you can see this picture, but they actually cast shadows through the clear coat. Um these are just really, really lovely watches. I I I hate to make a comparison because they're their own thing, but these remind me of what Richard was doing with Studio Underdog at the beginning. And not to say he's not still doing that, but the way they're using the platform reminds me of that spirit, right? The signed buckle on the strap. On the textile strap. Yeah. Big and chunky and CNC machine. Yeah. Yeah. The these are really, really great. These are really, really great. 900 bucks. That clip bracelet's great too. It looks really good. I I I'm always skeptical of it. Sure, sure, sure, sure. It d uh that's what I mean. It does look really good. I agree with you. It's not full loomed, that green. Even though it looks like it is. It's not. Yeah. Yeah. But it is attractive. It is good. I I really like the font on the blue. It's very tranny. Stink. I wish it was stank. Stink. I would like it better there. Yeah, what do they say about stink? What do they say about it? Um it's actually the one font that I that they're not telling me a lot about uh the bright aqua numerals are set in a wonderfully bold wedge seraph font called stink, designed by Hansel Space Studios and reminiscent of a mid-century commercial typeface. Okay, well, that's that's that. Uh the stainless steel pin buckle, Andrew, was custom designed and micro metal injection molded. Hmm. I don't know what that means. I think it is I think it is um like a uh a casting technique with uh a special like they I think they grind the steel down injection mold and then set that in like a forge almost. It's not quite cast. It's it's different than casting. This doesn't look uh like injection cast. Yeah. Just when you look at that, it you can tell it's not lasered out. Uh it's it's way too bulky and um Um yeah. Yeah. It looks great though. These these are just oh, you know the other thing about this case that I I forgot to mention, and I don't know if you've seen this. Uh I know we're getting long in the tooth. Andrew's Andrew's eyeball in the time. These the the case here, so very thin case, but there is a polished chamfer on the underside. So so the mid-case is separated into a brushed top half and then a polished bottom half. And the bottom half increases along the lugs, which gives it this apparent like fade to zero on the lugs. It it's an optical illusion, but it looks really, really interesting. Um which allows the lugs to be really strong and thick. Um not thick in a bad way, but just like it it it keeps them from being dainty. Yeah. But the apparent case fades to like a zero it looks really really tapers to a zero yeah it's a thin watch but the case looks really really flat like a like a speedy or something right, but the the lugs actually curve down in a in a in a not insignificant way. That's right. It's a really interesting watch. And I love the price. I love what they've done with the dials. How tight that tolerance is for that drilled lug right up against that polishing band on on both axis, like both above and below. There's just no room for error there. And they that that's like well-manufactured watch making. Yeah, these are these are design these are designed forward watches, which I think is something we're going to just see more more and and more and more of. And I'm here for it. Yeah. These are great. Andrew, what's next? Quick one. Uh we don't need to talk about the watch a whole lot because we've talked about the Mido Multi Fort 8 single crown, which we talked I think we might have talked about it last week, um, maybe two weeks ago, uh, because you were really excited about it. I said I prefer the twin stick. Uh we have a new two-tone version of it with that dark kind of gray dial now with a two-tone kind of rose gold. I don't know if it's it it's rose gold, but it's not it it's more bronzy uh color to it with the bezel, the middle link and the crown all being that uh PvD coded two-tone and it looks really good. And I just want to again highlight the fact that these are only 9.9 thick. Wild. Yeah, I like this so much better than the twin stick. Yeah, I think this is great. 1150 euros on these. I think this is a good two-tone execution. These are growing on me over the twin stick. I think uh I think I was talking to uh Captain Sano about that and he he was with me. He he suggested that the that the um PvD crowns is what killed the the uh dual crown. And I think that that might be right. I I think that that's a big demerit, as far as I'm concerned. Either way, this is the three hands just a better, or the single crown's just a better you're a do merit. Yamma I fe that feels like something like you'd say in celebration. Just hey man, I got a new car. Yemma. It does. Uh Yemma released uh a small seconds wrist master slim. They're calling it the wrist master slim small seconds. Uh CMM.29. There are three colors of this. One is a very, very dark blue with some hints of red, which uh aka uh purple. Uh uh a really, really lovely sunburst sort of British racing green. Both of those my favorite. Both of those come in a brushed and polished steel, silver steel, just like you might imagine it. These are Yemma Wristmaster Slim. Uh and then they have a limited edition out of one hundred special edition. They're calling this the camo special edition. Why do they call it that? They call it that, Andrew, because it is fully, and when I say fully, I mean fully camouflaged in what appears to be three hues of gray. I can't find a picture of it. Which is which is interesting. Interesting. Three shades of of gray, you say Everett. I believe it's actually just one shade of gray, and that one shade is the color of stainless steel. However, they have laser etched into the steel both on the case and dial camouflage patterns, which makes the steel represent or present in three different colors. And they've left that with a camouflage pattern. This thing is fucking rad. Uh, this one looks tan almost the way the lights on it. It is super dope. So what this is, obviously Wristmaster Slim with small seconds. Uh and it's just amazing. In-house movement, they're calling it snow camo on the dial. You've got obviously Yemma's sort of signature bezel, which is to say it's cool. It's nine millimeters. It's awesome. It it is a it is awesome. I want I want to hate the camouflage. But you don't. I I don't. I but I want to. I I want to just despise it. Hand frosted movement bridges on Yemma's badass micro rotor movement. Uh fudge, mate. Fudge. This thing is so cool. I'm with you, Andrew. It's not something. If you explained this to me, like we're explaining it to people at home, I'd be like, yeah, no. And then I oh, and by the way, it's twenty six hundred and fifty money, which is just two hundred dollars more than the standard yeah, wristmaster slim, right? It's it's not a lot more money for this badass finish. There's only a hundred of them. They might even be sold out. I don't, I don't really know. But the the wristmaster slim is an expensive watch. That in-house movement is it drives it way up. And rightfully so. Yeah, that's and earlier when we were talking about the Nevada and the Christopher Ward 12, I say, you know, at that thousand dollar range, I think that those really those two really are sort of tops. For me, this is the best affordable this is the best affordable steel sports watch integrated steel sports watch on the market right now hmm i i believe i i think it's certainly the most interesting. Between the movement, the dimensions. Um Yeah, I don't think I can argue with your assessment. I don't know if I agree, but I can't say that your the the the your your argument has nothing but merits to it. No demerits. Of course, right. It it's it's gonna be subjective. So you you might not you might not agree, but uh and and by you I mean you at home. Uh with that said, it for me, this is I think the coolest, most interesting. I think I pass on the camo though. I think if you if you put the three of these in front of me, I think I choose the green. I'd even pay extra if you would compelled me to. Same sunburst styles on these that you're getting on same sunburst styles that you're getting on the regular non-small seconds. Um I like the small seconds. 100 meters of water resistance. Nine millimeters thick. And when we say nine millimeters, we don't mean like not including the crystal or you know this or that. No, it is nine millimeters. Yeah. It's incredible. Yeah, these are these are fantastic. The camouflage though, I I keep coming back to it just being like it's like a weird flavor of ice cream. Like it's still ice cream and I really like it. Like a like an like a fennel ice cream. Yeah, you're like Okay. Hmm. I think hm it's like that meme of the girl who's like now with it. The technology's cool, the application of technology is really cool. Uh, I think it's a fun novelty watch. Uh, and maybe that's where I leave it. Sure, sure. And and you said it, you know, you looked at one of these and said, Well, it looks almost tan. I think that's because you've got enough reflection in the watch that it's just picking up whatever's environmental that you know, so which isn't very good camouflage. Gonna be a chameleon, which I I would argue is very good camouflage. Uh yeah, this is cool. I'm very, very into this watch. I I think this is just so much fun. It it's also a little stupid. But in a way that I like. But watches are stupid. Watches are stupid. And this one's stupid. And I want it. Yeah. Um, Andrew, we are we're getting long on the tooth here. Let's let's call it. We don't even need a speed round it. We're getting long on the tooth. I don't have anything else I feel like I need to talk about. I'm totally okay with just foregoing the rest. Okay. There's one I already closed the links that we need to talk about next week. So I will send it to me again. I'll send it to you again. Uh because I there's one that I don't want to miss. Uh Andrew, other things. What do you got, brother? Uh so as I said, uh about a month ago, the word mortadella popped into my head. It's a fun word to say. I don't know why it popped into my head. I just like, mm, mortadella. Hmm, mortadella. And then it just kind of bounced around in there, and I was like, I shouldn't make mortadella. Um, which got me on a pretty good rabbit hole. And there's a YouTube fella that I have watched a lot of his videos. He is kind of a barbecue guy, but then also works in the world of like experimentation with things. Uh and his YouTube is Chuds Barbecue. C-H-U-D-S barbecue. Sure. Does a bunch of videos, but the so the mortadella recipe that I based my recipe off of was his mortadella recipe. And I had to make some tweaks. Uh my so my plan was to excuse me, was to cold smoke this, even though mortardella is not traditionally a smoked uh sausage, but everything is better when you smoke it. So I got a smoke tube and threw it in my smoker, let it smoke for until it smoked out, until the tube ran out of pellets. I started my sous vide, you know, with about an hour to go, because I wanted to get the water up to temperature so I could just transition right out of the cold smoke and into my 145-degree water bath and my uh my display on my sous-vie took a dump. Yeah. Uh so it's still running and it's still heating the water, but like an idiot, rather than just saying, okay, you have it set, just just ign the display doesn't have to show. I started fucking with the the little roller. Oh no. And so like now I have no idea what temperature my water bath is at. And I was like, okay, well, um my smoker can go down to like my grill can go down to and hold at 150 degrees. So I was like, you know what? Five degrees isn't gonna make a difference. The difference between 145 and 150 is forgettable. So that's what I did. I just left it on the top rack of the smoker and smoked at 150 instead of water bath at 145. But uh and it turned out fine, right? This the nose on it is way smokier than the actual palate, which is interesting. Can't concur. Um like it it smells like it's gonna be too smoky, and then you get into it and you're like, oh, that's actually really, really nice. I didn't think it smelled I didn't I I think you're you're nervous about the smoke because you were feeling nervous about it. I don't think it smells too smoky. It certainly doesn't taste too smoky. No, definitely doesn't taste too smoky. Uh, but so this guy, I've watched now dozens and dozens of his videos. He is just funny enough while he's interacting to be engaging, but that's not his thing. He's just there to like cook stuff and and video like kind of like early babish where he's just cooking. And like he's got personality and that comes through in his filming, but that's he's not there to be funny or like have a comedy channel. He's just there to create cooking content and food content. Uh which I forget his name. It's Chud's Barbecue. Chud's Barbecue. Yeah. His name is uh not Chud. Uh I don't remember it. Um It doesn't matter. No, I was looking for Chud's Barbecue. Yeah. C H U D S Barbecue on the YouTube. Uh he's engaging. He does cool stuff. He's got uh I don't know how many videos. I don't I'm not gonna count them, but a bucket load of videos. And they're all entertaining. They're entertaining enough to watch. Like I don't give a shit about how to make chicken wings because I know exactly how I make chicken wings and I'm never gonna change it because the way that I make chicken wings is perfect. But I'm gonna watch his chicken wings videos because he's entertaining to watch. Yeah. Uh good good content though. You can always learn something too. I think my chicken wings are are they've they've peaked. You can't learn anything. I think they've peaked. I think the way that I make chicken I obviously I can learn other ways to make chicken wings. You heard it here. But my chicken wings heard it here. Have peaked. They're not going to get any better. They're kind of perfect. You've had my wings. You know that you know they're like that there are better wings out there, but the way those wings come out, they're just kind of perfect every time. And I'm not gonna change it. Chud's Barbecue. Chud's Barbecue on the YouTube. Entertaining to watch. Andrew Educational. Do you know do you know who Rachel McAdams is? I know who Rachel Ray is. Rachel McAdams. I do know who Rachel McAdams is. Do you know who Dylan O'Brien is? Um I don't know who Dylan O'Brien is. Dylan O'Brien was the main protagonist from don't Google it. Don't Google yet. Google later. Dylan O'Brien is the protagonist from The Maze Runner. Okay. Okay. So if I were He's the one who like almost died during filming, right? Oh, I don't know. We'll I'll have to look that up. If I were to tell you that I went to see a movie with Rachel McAdams and Dylan O'Brien in it. I just describe to me what you think the movie is. A Cougar on the Prowl. Okay. Uh Rom comish. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Uh kind of like that Jennifer Lawrence movie where uh she starts dating that computer kid. So because her par his parents pay her or some shit like that. My nephew says to me, We're hanging out, we're solo on Saturday, we're hanging out. He says, you know, oh, I wanna see uh this movie. It's called Send Help. And so I look it up. Reviews are pretty good. I look it up and I just do like a surface level lookup. So my surface level lookup indicates to me that it is a rom-com about sort of a homely uh a homely office lady who's in love with her boss. They are in a plane crash and they wind up stranded on an island together. Okay. That's the best case scenario. Most of that is accurate. This movie is not that though. It was, it does not look like that. The twisted and fucked up the a little scary and hilarious. There was a scene. There was a scene in this movie where and the theater's packed. The theater's packed. And it's it's we're at the Cinemark theater with the reclining seats, so look, you know. That place is luxurious. Love it, but the theater's packed full. And there is a scene, the scene probably lasted I don't know 30 seconds of like active discomfort. The entire theater was vibing, laughing uncomfortably, like a little scared, kind of wanting it to stop. U it was awesome it was awesome i really loved the fact that i didn't know what it was going into it because it made it all the more awesome. It was one of those like really had no clue. My and my my nephew's kind of a bro. Yeah. He's a bro. So I was a little like okay, you know, whatever. We that should have been indicator number one. It should have been. It should have been. But I just was like, it's got fucking McAdams in it, right? I'm like, I know what this movie is. Oh, was I wrong? Oh, was I wrong? I'm trying to think of any other non-rom comms that she's been in. I mean the notebook's not a com. It's just rom. Uh Pardon me. Any other non-romance movies that she's been in? I don't think it exists. Um She was in Mean Girls and Wedding Crashers. And every time you think you know where this movie's gonna go, it goes somewhere different. You're like, oh, I know what's about to happen, and then it goes somewhere different. She was in Southpaw. All the way to the very end. She was all the way to the very end in that. Yeah, no, that this is the first one that's not uh I mean she was in a couple Marvel movies with Doctor Strange, but even that, her her participation was purely in the ROM category. Correct about that. So she's really branching out her. And she's awesome. She she's good. I I I am a little bummed that she's pigeonholed herself into that like romance genre. The discomfort, the uncomfortable theater vibrating scene, if you when you when you know it, when you see it, you'll know exactly what I'm talking about. She's it's all her, and it is phenomenal. Fantastic. Really, like in terms of like an actor doing something so different that you're like, whoa, that was awesome. How much of it was a function of you uh like could she was she Rachel McAdams on the screen or was she that character? Like, was the um was the um discomfort seeing the the the the woman from the notebook no it was just the scene do that or no no it was just the scene it could have been anybody and it would have been okay yeah it was fantastic really. Really, good. I recommend it. I don't want to say too much more. Okay. Yeah, no, don't don't spoil it for anyone. All right. I look forward to it being available on streaming. Maybe worth it to go see it in the theater. I don't like go to theaters. Hey folks, thanks for joining us for this episode of 40 and 20, the WatchClicker Podcast. Do me a favor, go to our website, it's watchclicker.com. I did it again. Yeah, I know. I don't know if you guys noticed this. Probably not because you don't listen. We have two jingles on the soundboard. We've got we've got the the entrance music and then we've got the the outro music. It's a different clip. Uh but for the second week and second time in like what three weeks? Yeah. I did the wrong music. Hey folks, thanks for joining us for this episode of 40 and 20, the Watch Quicker Podcast. Uh do me a favor, go to our websites watchclicker.com. That's where we post articles and reviews and written things about watches. If you want to follow us on social media, you can do that on Instagram at 40 and 20 underscore watch clicker or at watchclicker. That's where we post updates about things we're doing on the show or on the website. 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