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Orient Star Finally Impresses Us (381)

Published on Wed, 18 Feb 2026 23:07:06 -0800

Synopsis

In this episode of Forty and Twenty, the WatchClicker Podcast, hosts Andrew and Everett discuss recent watch releases and industry news while navigating recording delays due to illness and unseasonably warm Pacific Northwest weather. The conversation covers a wide range of topics, from Timex's new MK1 automatic field watch and Orient's long-awaited no-date Bambino to more premium offerings like the Orient Star 75th anniversary meteorite dial and Horage's impressive Molokini GMT micro-rotor.

The hosts examine several significant releases including Braymont's Terra Nova 38 jumping hour in stealth black, Jack Mason's new Strato Timer GMT Frontier, and Rotto's colorful ceramic collaboration with Les Couleurs Le Corbusier. They also discuss COSC's new Excellence Chronometer certification standard, which tests complete watches rather than just movements, debating its potential impact on the industry and pricing. The episode concludes with "other things" segments where Andrew praises his new Global Tokujo knife set as the perfect kitchen upgrade, while Everett shares his positive experience with Darn Tough socks' lifetime warranty program, successfully exchanging two pairs with holes for brand new ones without hassle.

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Andrew Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to Forty and Twenty, the WatchClicker Podcast with your hosts Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, how are you?
Everett I'm great. We were I think
Andrew about five days ago predicted to get
Everett snow tonight. It looks like that is is off the menu.
Andrew I don't know. It it's dropped about eight degrees in the last hour and we are getting some precipitation.
Everett Yeah, yeah. No, it it does we are gonna get some cold precipitation. We might even get a little bit of freezing rain overnight, but I think that the the opportunity for snow is pretty slim, I think, at this point. So ultimately that's probably a good thing. Um Ye
Andrew ah, because you don't want your kids to not go to school.
Everett Well, I'm not worried about that, but just in terms of like getting around to work and everything else. But uh yeah. It was a little I was a little disappointed. Oh snow's off.
Andrew It was nice to see snow up in the hills around the city though. Uh it means that maybe, just maybe, there'll be a couple good weeks up on our local mountain.
Everett Yeah, that's gonna happen. Yeah, in fact the snow's been pretty good up there, I understand. Um yeah, for the folks on the east coast, you've had a historically cold winter. But for us on the West Coast, really the entire West Coast, but in particular the Pacific Northwest, we're having almost a record warm winter. So um
Andrew complete with the drought. We're gonna have a bad fire season.
Everett Yeah, I mean unless we get some and we still may we still may have a ton of precipitation between now and now and, you know, May, end of May.
Andrew I hope so. Uh so we'll we'll have to see
Everett what happens. But yeah, it's been interesting. But no snow for us tonight. Uh no, I'm doing fine. I um we'
Andrew re recording two days later than we normally would. We had back-to-back ailments.
Everett Yeah. Yeah.
Andrew I mean, we get sick like anybody else, but
Everett it's pretty rare that we have two nights in a row with
Andrew where it was me the first night and I was
Everett like, hey, I really can't record tonight and then then you last night. So
Andrew I tried. Yeah, we did. We were close
Everett . We we almost hit record. Um but but yeah, no, I'm doing well. How are you, Andre
Andrew w? I'm good. I'm a little tired. I'm worn out. Um, but just chuggin' on along. The kids like unlimited array of funtivities are starting to like feel like they're in full swing. One's in gymnastics once a week, one's in Taekwondo once a week, and then he has lacrosse another time a week, and there's chess club and there's all sorts of other extracurricular activities. That's from when the army moved me.
Unknown Yeah, that sticker.
Everett Um yeah, no, I I I do I do understand that feeling. We had baseb
Andrew all evals this weekend and just seems
Everett like my kids are go go go. So you've got,
Unknown you know, years of that to come. You're just
Everett really getting into it. Just hooray. It's good. It's good
Andrew . Just hooray.
Everett Well, in any event, we're here to talk about watches, and I think it would be in the interest in the interest of actually getting a show in the can this week, I think we should just get to it.
Andrew Let let's. Did you did you select another thing in the intervening period
Everett ? Um well yeah, I'm sure
Andrew . Okay. Um Um first up for me, I I I'm finally reading this hands-on the uh Timex MK1 uh automatic watch, and I'm I'm smitten by this. I I don't understand why I haven't bought one. Um, these are great sized, they are the the very classic MK1 military-inspired kind of field dial. 40 millimeter case. They're like nine millimeters and some change to the case height and then extra two millimeters of crystal, all steel case, and they're using a Miyota 8215 movement in this. And they're coming in at under 300 bucks. Just like kind of the perfect banger automatic field watch. And I feel like this is maybe filling the void that was created by the consolidation of the SNK into the Seiko 5 line uh it and a really affordable and adequate movement and just a a good write up on this because that this came out I don't remember when this came out it wasn't too long ago. Yeah
Everett .
Andrew But I never I don't remember paying it any any mind
Everett . Yeah, I mean uh there's I think there's a lot to like about this watch. This is very much one of those watches that I think you have to do one of two things. Either you have to decide this is cool, it's a timex, and I want that or you have to kind of take a look at what's available this particular style of watch which is to say that sort of
Andrew mid-century American military fi
Everett eld watch uh th there are a billion ten thousand
Andrew options options at this price point
Everett and so I I don't I don't think that this I don't think that this watch competes in the field particularly well either in terms of pure price or dimensions, uh, you know, wearability. It it's got some it's got
Andrew some interesting, you know, you know that, b
Everett ig acrylic domed crystal, I think, is really cool. Um, but I think short of you know, you really wanting a timex, uh
Andrew I do and and I
Everett think that's the reason you'd buy this. Maybe. It it it's an attractive watch. It's got a like you said, I I think you used the word adequate movement. Um yeah, you you know, I I frankly am not huge on the dimensions of this. I
Andrew it's a little on the big side, but I'm okay with it.
Everett I think the MK1 branding at the six o'clock is a little overwrought. Um
Andrew they're getting there. But the
Everett the fonts are good. They're they're uh to be expected, I would say. I think the case looks great, the finishing on this thing looks great. It's got a really interesting screw down case back. Um yeah, I mean I I it it's hard to it's hard to poke a lot of holes at this watch, but um yeah, like I said, I think I think specs dimens
Andrew ion, it's really
Unknown probably kind of just floating in space and then price is not bad.
Everett Three hundred bucks. It does only have fifty meters of
Andrew water resistance, which you will be able to find at this like three to five hundred dollar range. You'll you'll find plenty of watches up to a hundred
Unknown . Yeah. Yeah. I and I
Everett think you you know, we've talked about Procedus in recent weeks. I I I just think I think there's a l if if what you want is a watch like this, I think there may be better options. But if you see this and you're like, I want that watch.
Andrew But I want an automatic Timex.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. Timex is Timex is I
Andrew don't want the Marlin. Is doing is
Everett making interesting watches right now, I think
Andrew . As they have been for a couple of years. They seem to be losing a little bit of steam. I hope they can put their foot back up on the gas and and kind of move away from the uh the galley stuff and focus on this realm
Everett ? Um for
Unknown me, I'm gonna talk about Orient. Ori
Everett ent has finally finally released a no-date Bambino. Um I can remember it
Andrew 's 47 millimeters. I
Everett can remember all the way back in probably 2015 looking at Orient watches and reading, perhaps on Redd
Unknown it or maybe a forum, um, you know
Everett , how the Bambino is a really great watch
Unknown , but it's the date kills it
Everett . You know, that opinion has existed about the Orient Bambino since the Bambino has been in the scene. And certainly in 2015 or 2016, when I first read about the Bambino, um Orient's done a lot to make this watch better, you know, in particular, releasing the 38 millimeter a few years ago really, I think for me, cemented Orient's place in this world. I've always thought the Bambino was too big, and then at 38, you're like, well, shit, that's not no longer too big. Well, they finally did what they should have, I think, done in the first place, which is to make a 38 no-date Bambino
Unknown . Um so the 38'
Everett s actually 38.4.
Andrew You can round that down. The
Everett y have um they have released this in three colors. So one is sort of a very Orient cream dial with a prominent double set of minute tracks and Roman numerals.
Andrew And blued hands. And blued hands. That brings it together
Everett . I' Im'm gonna say blue hands. Blue hands, perhaps. Um and then sort of a brown, like a chocolatey, reddish brown dial with gilt
Unknown details. Same setup, double min
Everett ute track, Roman numerals, and then a limited edition gray dial with silver markers and gold hand a gold handset. It is for sure
Unknown the most attracti
Everett ve out of this bunch. It's the banger. Yeah. Without I I mean it that's a subjective that's a subjective opinion. With that said, I think it's subje
Andrew ctively it's objective. Ye
Everett ah. Um no surprises on this. It's still a bambino, which it means it's a little too thick at 12 and a half, but I think what we've seen with this watch in particular is the way that it's structured that actually winds up working pretty well. Um yeah, there the gray is a limited edition, only 3300 pieces. These, of course, have the in-house f6524 movement, which is a you know, or Orient's baseline automatic, uh, which is a hacking movement. I think it's like got a 40-hour power reserve. Um, you know, this is a 38mm Orient bamboo with out of date. Fin
Andrew ally. Yeah. Uh we
Everett do have a display case back, which is cool. It's cool. If you want that sort of thing. Um it
Andrew it makes sense in this variety of watch. Yeah. Right. Because this is a very, very entry-level watch. This
Everett is a first watch watch. And
Andrew people like to see their movement when they're like enjoying mechanical watches for the first time. And it it makes sense here
Everett . I do think interestingly the crystal on the front is mineral, but the crystal on the case back is sapphire, uh, which isn't odd. I haven't seen these available in the U.S. quite yet, uh, but I do understand they're 340 euro, so probably in that 350, 360 US dollar range. Um
Unknown , and then also and then also
Everett the classic 40.5 millimeter bambino date has been given a bunch of new colors, a purple, sort of uh uh denim, blue, a really, really intriguing green, and then a couple of you know, th
Andrew rowaways, yeah. O Oentri
Everett .. Yeah Orient colors. All of these with baton markers or battens as I've called them in the past and people have freaked out about
Andrew . I I really like this blue. It's like very kind of stormy sky gray blue.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. I I I said denim, uh, and I th I don't think that's n incorrect, but I think you're yeah, you're you're closer in in terms of being able to describe that on the radio than I am
Andrew . I'm I'm known for my articulabilities. By many
Everett . 38mm no-date bambino
Andrew . There it is. In the wind. Um
Everett since we're talking about
Andrew Orient. We can talk about the Orient Star uh 75th anniversary with an M34 with the M34 F8 date meteorite. That's hard to say. You know
Everett , we talked about an Orient Star just a couple weeks ago and we pooped on it. I think for good reason. We're I don't think we're gonna poop on this
Andrew . I'm I'm not it might get a little splatter, but I don't think I have anything um I don't think I have anything negative to say about this. The the meteorite is really attractive. I don't like power reserve indicators. I know they're a thing. Es
Everett pecially for Orient. I I just
Andrew I don't I don't like them. I don
Everett 't like them in Grand Seiko. I I
Andrew don't there are some out there that are really well executed, they're subtle, they don't they they're not trying to be a subdial a a power reserve indicator shouldn't be rapid access. It should be like look for the power reserve indicator, read it, and move on. I think they that's my bitch with power reserve indicators. I think they should be much more discreet rather than I know they're a complication. I get that. And complications on the watch are typically legible. But that's not a complication that needs to be so uh uh prominent on a dial. So this is a 40 millimeter case, 47.3 lug to lug, 12.9 thick, which again Oh
Unknown , I've got eleven seven thick. Uh
Andrew that's to the that's case height. N
Everett ice without the crystal. I see. Um
Andrew 100 meters of water resistance. And I'm I'm okay with a 255 piece limited run at 3,250.
Everett Are we talking about the the
Andrew M45 F7? No.
Unknown Oh, what are you talking about? The M34
Andrew F8, the 75th anniversary edition
Everett of Star.
Andrew That's not the first time we've done that. Yeah. Okay. Sure. Man, you've been describing a watch before, and I'm like, we're not looking at the same thing here. Um very orientar design. Uh there's a a weird chamfer in the end link that I don't super dig, but the rest of it
Unknown Yeah, it's like a it's like a a piece of it's like a piece of beauty trim over the end l
Everett ink. That like that bl
Andrew ends into the case. Uh, but barring that one thing, I think the meteorite is really well executed. It it does a it does a meaningful job kind of disguising your date window without obscuring it. It does a good job integrating the power reserve indicator in a in a less prominent way than many power reserve indicators are. And this is at the 12 o'clock, so it's very prominent, very noticeable. But the lines of the meteorite break them up in such a way that I'm like, uh I don't like it, but I I am okay with it. Yeah. I can't think of many things and I'm like, I don't like it, but I'm okay with it.
Unknown So this has that maybe McDonald's
Andrew is this has the F8
Everett N64 in-house. That's the 60-hour 22 joule
Andrew , which is a really cool, a really
Everett cool movement. But this is an expensive watch.
Andrew Yeah, it is. But it's their seventy fift annhiversary. They're making under three hundred of 'em. Yeah, two hundred and fifty-five pieces. I I think that for for the Orient Star fanatics out there, that's who's buying this watch. And there are those people out there. Because Orient Star typically does interesting stuff, even if many of them have significant flaws.
Everett So th what do we got? 3249 euro, meaning probably just a little bit more than that US dollars.
Andrew And then VAT. Well, and then
Everett we might as well just go straight into the watch I thought you were talk
Unknown ing to, which is the M45 F7 Small Second, also
Everett being released by Orient. Ori
Unknown ent is Orient Star,
Everett excuse me. Orient's doing a big run right now. Their 75th anniversary. They're really hitting it hard.
Unknown Uh unfortunately, I think that they'
Everett re they're really swinging a lot uh and maybe not hitting a ton.
Unknown That's okay because this one for
Everett me I mean is a hit
Andrew . One third batting average is like world record holding. So they're they're hitting hitting better than a third for the most part.
Unknown What this is is a small seconds. I'm gonna call this a small seconds
Everett dress watch by Orient Star
Unknown . It does once again have a po
Everett wer reserve indicator. In fact, it's got
Andrew so subtle though. It's the perfect. This is the perfect
Unknown power reserve indicator. It's got the same po
Everett wer reserve indicator, but it's significantly more subtle because it's not undershadowed by a subdial here
Unknown . Um we've got s a slightly a slightly different so what they're calling this um M forty five F7 and then again they
Everett 're referring to the Pleiades
Unknown star cluster. That's the M4
Everett 5 section. Um, this is being released into the classic collection. We've got a really nice sort of stubby onion crown on this that I think is my favorite part of the watch
Unknown . It is a 39
Everett millimeter by 117
Unknown . This one in fact is 117 thick
Everett with really, really lovely but
Unknown subtle finishing. We've got 30 meters of water resistance on this guy. Um, and you
Everett know, I think for me,
Unknown this is all of the class that
Everett is missing from the Bambino. The Bambino is a pretty watch
Unknown , but it is a crude
Everett watch. Yes. This watch I think tak
Unknown es the attitude. It's certainly not the same watch
Everett . In fact, it's a very, very different watch, but it takes the attit
Unknown ude of the Bambino and just sexes
Everett it up a little bit. And this is what the
Andrew Bambino is aspiring to be, but they went to the thrift shop to get their parts.
Everett That's right. And and and so we've got um we've got three really, really nice dials. We've got a uh
Unknown creamy dial, and it's not
Everett that stereotypical Orient cream that I was talking about. It's a very nice.
Andrew That was this is really troubling phrase, the Orient cream.
Everett It's a very nice sort of like off-white. And it's got these sort of like
Andrew rosy almost. Gray
Everett , like gun metal hands that sits on top of this. We've got a like a sort of carbon black dial, like dark gray dial that has really bright silver hands and markers.
Andrew That's my favorite one and then and
Everett then my favorite is the green which is so and all of these dials have have two textures they've got the main sort of sandy matte texture on the main part of the dial.
Andrew That's really fine. It's not that it's not big 60 grit sandpaper. It's like 1500.
Everett That's right. Uh really, really beautiful on this. We have, I think the same case back that we
Unknown see on the new Orient, the limited edition Ori
Unknown ent. But in this case, we're c
Unknown overing a slightly better movement. In this case, the FA F-7H44
Everett , also an in-house movement from Orient, but
Unknown this is their 50 hour. This is sort of their middle
Everett of the road 50 hour uh 21 Joule movement. Uh and it it's it's sort of zhuched up a little bit. We've got some perlage
Andrew . It's a much more att
Everett ractive movement. The cheaper entry-level Bambino movement. So I I like this. I like the application of the case back here. Sapphire on both sides in this instance. A really good dimensional or a really acceptable dimensional watch, thirty-nine by eleven seven, only thirty meters of water resistance, which is a down for me, a thumbs down for me, but I'll take it
Andrew . Can do it, so can they. And these
Everett are coming in right about a thousand bucks MSRP
Andrew . The the gray is limited to only five hundred.
Everett Okay, there you go. That
Andrew 's why they made it so good. And it's about a
Everett hundred dollars more. Yeah. Yeah. Um
Unknown I think that this is I think that
Everett this is my favorite
Unknown of the Orient novelties that we'
Everett ve seen released this year.
Andrew I don't think they're novelties. Two of them are permanent collections
Everett . Sure, I'm still gonna call this a novelty. Um Annivers
Andrew aries? Say what you will. Cele
Everett bratory. Say what you will. I do really like that cream dial too because of those black, th
Unknown ose gunmetal hands. I that is a really
Andrew you entirely lose the fan shape of the sub or of the uh power reserve indicator in that dial color. The others it's it's at least on the marketing at least
Everett on the marketing photos. Yeah
Unknown . Yeah. This is I think that this is for me the pick of the l
Unknown itter with Orient's releases this year.
Everett The the hand lengths are perfect. I don
Unknown 't know if you noticed that. The minute hand
Everett goes right to the end of the minute track and the hour hand goes right to the bottom of the hour markers. This is a really, really thoughtfully designed watch in a way that we don't see from Orient all that often
Andrew . Yeah, well typically we see like a big red flag that is almost insurmountable when we see an Orient or an Orient Star release and we don't have any of those red flags with this release
Unknown . What I will say is
Everett I I have not been able to find a lug width. I think that it's 20
Andrew . I guess 20 or 21. It might
Everett be 21. It probably is 21
Andrew . Um but that's not an insurmountable red flag. That's just like a minor inconvenience because then none of your your 20 minute or your 20 millimeter straps are all kind of like just a little bit loose in there. And then when you start getting into quick release straps, I I don't trust a 20 millimeter and a twenty-one lug width. Yeah. Um whereas if you're using hard spring bars, like you just it'll it'll work.
Unknown Yeah. Uh really
Everett , really good watch though. I'm I'm a fan of it
Andrew . Yeah. Uh I I mean I I think they they finally not finally as they're infrequent to do, hit one out of the park
Everett . Uh nope, it's 20
Andrew . Look at that. It's 20
Everett . Yep. Can I talk about something
Andrew weird? Do it. Braymont.
Unknown Yeah, this is weird. The Terra Nova
Andrew 38 jumping hour. And the the Terra Nova 38 came out
Unknown um last year
Unknown something like that sometime I remember seeing it
Andrew being like what Braymont what are you doing and well
Unknown since then and since then I,
Andrew 'm continued to wonder. Um and they've they've now not doubled down, but they've now expanded the jumping hour or the the Terra Nova 38 jumping hour line with a stealth black and this is the the jumping hour watch that is now DLC coated in black with an optional DLC bracelet, which I I do think is really cool. I I think that it would have been really easy for them to skip on the bracelet. So I I do appreciate that they did do that. Um ye
Everett ah no I think it looks I think it looks great. I the the bracelet is for me the
Andrew but but here's the thing that brings this watch
Everett back from the abyss. Here's the
Andrew weird.
Everett I kinda like it. Yeah, I think I don't bad
Andrew . I don't think I want it, but I I kinda like it. It it everything just comes together. This Braymont logo at the at the center of the dial brings like a little bit of extra to this otherwise very spartan jumping hour and i i i i don't i'm not embarrassed to say it. I'm just I'm like a little reluctant to look at it and be like, oh, turns out I kinda like this. So I guess they just needed to turn it black for me to like get on board. Uh and they're still expensive. They're uh what?
Everett Five grand. Yeah, no, six grand
Andrew on the on the bracelet. Yeah. You know
Everett , I'm not upset
Unknown about I'm not upset about
Everett the logo in the middle. I just not for me. I don't love it, but I'm not upset about it
Unknown . The one thing about this watch that I just cann
Everett ot get over is
Unknown that it looks like it's upside down. It actually just looks like an upside down watch. Like you
Everett put the watch on backwards. Yeah. L
Andrew ike you you put it case back up.
Everett Yeah, that's right. That's right. The the dial looks like a case back. This has some interesting things going for it. I think in particular is the minutes
Unknown being on a disc
Everett that is revealed through a window, uh and and and then time being told by uh by an indicating error That is a little twist, and I do really like that. I I think this watch looks like it's well put together. I think the finishing is good. I'm not wild about that logo in the middle of the dial, although you like it.
Andrew It kind of anchors the dial. It's is
Unknown that the second's hand?
Andrew Oh, it looks like it could be, but I don't think it is.
Unknown I think the compass hands are run
Everett ning seconds
Andrew . I could be wrong. Read enough about that.
Unknown But I think that that's what this is. I just can't get over that it lo
Everett oks like it's upside down. That
Andrew that bothers me. You know, it does look like running a second
Everett . Braymont is in such a weird Braymont's in such a weird place, I think, with their brand. I I don't I don't remember a time since I've been into watches where
Unknown it felt like Braymont had its shit figured out. They're
Everett obviously selling watches.
Andrew Yeah, they've kind of been going through like a decade-long identity crisis. Right
Everett . And I think and I think, you know, maybe a victim of their own success, their early success, and then really just struggled
Andrew to find their like
Everett you said, it it is an identity. Because they have
Andrew a really discordant catalog, but some of the stuff in their catalog is really good. Ye
Everett ah. And then other stuff in their catalogue, I'm like, why
Andrew this where w this doesn't fit here. You
Everett know, I think I think the other thing is they're just in a difficult price, they're just in a different difficult price segment. Right. They're in that sort of om
Andrew ega tutor,
Everett you know, high-end tutor omega pricing and
Unknown that's a that's a tough place to play ball
Everett man yeah especially if you
Andrew don't have a clear identity
Unknown yeah I like that
Everett watch i'm not i'm not upset about it. I probably wouldn't buy it, but I do like it.
Andrew No, for this for this figure, I'm I'm buying a a bunch of other things ahead of it
Everett . Andrew but I wouldn't be sad
Andrew to have this. I would I'd wear the shit out of this watch ye
Everett ah me too for sure uh yeah andrew you're usually the one who will grab on to watch news like a non-watch release related news and talk about it on the show. And I was surprised that you didn't do that this week. Uh, and so I did it for you, and I'll talk about that now. But the sort of big
Andrew Oh, yeah, it was on my list. The big
Everett non-release related uh watch news with this week is that Cosk has added a um a category of certification. Uh a higher tier of certification. This new level is called the Cosk Excellence Chronometer. So
Andrew C E M is what we'll be seeing on watches, I expect.
Everett Okay. Or Coskum. Koskik. Coskik.
Andrew I think C E M is probably what we're gonna see. Wh
Everett ere's the M coming from?
Andrew What was the last word you used? Chronom
Everett eter? C E C. Um
Unknown , this is a
Everett it uh unlike typical COSC certification, which is movement only certification.
Unknown This is a in-c
Everett ase certification.
Andrew Cosk excellence movement, I think is what I would had in my head.
Everett It measures, amongst other things,
Unknown magnetic resistance, it put
Everett s a I think a plus two minus four timing requirement on watches. And in additional, uh, an additionally verifies power reserve. So the claimed power reserve versus actual power reserve. Yeah. Oh, minus two and plus four seconds. That makes more sense, excuse me. Um verifying magnetic resistance, confirming power reserve. Uh this is a 15-day seven criteria under ISO 3159. Uh and for cost certification, they have to test every single watch. So if you get a Cosk escal uh excellence chronometer, is that what it is
Andrew ? Yes. W
Everett atch. You'll have a watch that was physically sent to Cosk for 15 days.
Unknown The full the full watch. Uh which
Everett is I think is kind of cool. I assume this is going to be absurdly expensive to do for these companies. I mean, cost
Andrew certification in and of itself is ex absurdly expensive.
Everett Well, I don't know how much it is. You know, c you can get cost watches. I own cost watches. I think I'm wearing I'm not wearing a watch. Uh today, earlier, I was wearing a Cosk certified watch. Um, so I I think it's ego
Andrew drives are Cosk certified. Nope. Ma
Everett ybe I don't think so. Uh it's in the realm of possible. Um I don't know how I you know, realistically, I don't know how much this is per unit. You know, you're obviously gonna send, you know, 300, a thousand watches to Cosk at once. And so you, you know, maybe're paying, you know, 30, 40 bucks. I don't know. I actually just don't know. And if you figure, you know, three to one, maybe it's adding a hundred or two hundred, I don't know. Something like that though. Certainly there'll be a charge. There'll be a premium to this, a financial premium. I think that Cosk is Cosk is doing a different thing than the watch companies have to do. They're marketing a testing protocol. Yes. And they're selling a protocol to the watch companies. And they're saying, you watch company, you have to determine how you sell this
Andrew . Yes. And and I think what's interesting is we see I think we'll see a lot of cost excellent certification at higher price points already, right? Like I expect to see watches that are already getting Cosk certified, just getting the upgraded treatment. Because those watches are already north of a thousand dollars.
Everett I'm trying to think of like the least expensive cost. You know, I I think you don't really start seeing cost certification until like the thou the four digits, you know, like my uh four max is cost certified, but I think that's kind of where you start to see that at that like but
Andrew for Max just does that as a middle finger
Everett fifteen hundred to two thousand dollar range is where you start to see that. So I wonder if you know let's let's just say let's just extrapolate, maybe you don't start to see this until you get to that twenty five hundred or three thousand. I don't know. I don't know. We'll have to wait to see
Andrew . It's an interesting certification and it's almost it it creates a I think it creates a haves and haves nots. Uh or or like maybe further further wedges that boundary. Because a small brand, even if they're using a fucking fantastic movement that very well could be cost certified or cost excellence certified and is only producing 75 watches at a time and is working on razor thin margins to get their watches to market and get them on people's wrists is not gonna risk, I think, the extra expenditure when they're thinking about part prices against we need to get this watch sold so that we can pay ourselves back for all the money that we've poured into this.
Everett Yeah, I mean, I guess that's maybe what I was suggest
Andrew ing. Like like Cosk is marketing to
Everett the watch companies. We'll have to see how the watch companies market it to us. Um, because I I don't we we don't at yet at this point have any indication
Andrew of that. So I don't think it's gonna be every watch, much like
Everett Cosk is an every watch. And I
Andrew think it frankly, y your sugg
Everett estion that it'll be your suggestion that it'll be all the watches that are getting n you didn't say all but
Andrew I think if it's already getting cost certified, they're gonna they're just gonna pay the extra money and we'll foot the bill. I don't think so.
Everett I think that we're gonna see m maybe less than I I think we're still and and Cosk has been careful here. They're not getting rid of standard movement only Cosk certification. I think that we're gonna see very few watches come to market with this, at least for now. I think by and large we're going to continue to see cost certified, standard cost certified be the sort
Andrew of standard
Everett with this additional
Andrew excellence chronom
Everett eter uh coming in in rare watches. At least at least for now, that's my guess. Predictions
Unknown . But we shall see
Everett . I think we're just gonna see brands that are
Andrew already doing it migrate up upstream. Ye
Everett ah, we'll see. I mean really we'll we'll see. Yeah
Andrew . Um oh. The final Baltic micro rotor. Uh it's here with a gem set moisanite bezel. Uh so Baltic is discontinuing the micro rotor model for whatever reason. I'm wondering what's gonna come in and backfill it. Uh, I don't know if we've ever talked about this watch on the show. It's a really lovely well proportioned 36 millimeter case 9.9 thick 44 lug to lug just a nice compact very vintage inspired classic small seconds at the seven and eight o'clock. But this are they're using lab grown moisanite? Mo
Everett isanite? Moisanite? I don't know.
Andrew It looks fancy in French. In In in the bezel
Everett .
Andrew I don't know how to say shit. Or a
Everett diamond alternative, I guess
Andrew . I can't tell the difference. Ye
Everett ah. I I think Moisenites got more of like uh full spectrum uh reflection
Unknown .
Andrew Okay. Uh and it's lovely. They're doing a limited run of these. Uh how many are they doing? 100 pieces of each, and they're gonna be um 1160 euros on the beads of rice bracelet, which I I'm not a big fan of the beads of rice on this. Um I just I wish I wish the beads of rice extended all the way to the lugs instead of being like
Everett It's a flat it's a flat link or a flat end-link. pizza price
Andrew Yeah, yeah. And I get I understand the technology that that prevents you from being able to do that. Uh I do think it could be overcome with perhaps a different bracelet. But a lovely watch, and I think they they executed the the the diamonds in bezel really well? They they're like
Everett maybe I don't understand. What what what's the technology that's preventing them from doing a regular N link
Andrew ? A regular Oh, because they want a they want a straight link.
Everett Oh, okay. I I think extend
Andrew ing the beads of rice all the way to the end of the edges of the straight link could be problematic. Oh, I but I don't but I don't
Everett I see what you're saying. I don't r I've seen
Andrew beads of rice on a straight link. So uh I don't know. It's' as a it decision that they made. Um because that's only six links? Seven? No, four? Yeah, seven links wide. Yeah, one more link and and you're there. Um But I think the the Moisenite is really well done in the bezel and I'm sad to see the micro rotor uh being moved away from.
Everett Yeah, I wonder what I I mean, we've seen brands do this in the past where they say, Well, this watch is going to be discontinued for forever. And then once they sell them all, they're like, And then we have the new version, you know, with the m
Andrew icro rotor.
Everett Um you know I can't think of another uh a more prominent model of watch uh uh that is running this movement that's Hangzhou, uh, what is it, the 5000 Cal 5000A micro rotor? Um, it's a really interesting movement. And in fact, when we were working on foster, it's one of the movements that we briefly looked at. There's some there's a some marketing problems with the Hangzhou movements and then you you know just supply is difficult it's not an inexpensive movement but
Andrew it's a really really attractive micro movement it's
Everett pretty cool man it is a pretty cool movement. And I like that the treatment that Baltic has gone with these with the black coating and gold rotor. It's got they've given it sort of a sort of a I don't know. It
Andrew looks celestial on the street. Steampunk vi
Everett be or yeah. Yeah, maybe celestial. It's it's this is a cool this is a cool release, these two different releases. And and really we have two very cool dials. Um you know, both of these are small seconds. We've got we've got the you know it's it's it's not a sector like sort of a tuxedo-
Andrew e sector. It's kind of rouletti.
Everett Roulette dial.
Unknown And then um the
Everett and then we've got a more traditional um a more tradition it Baltic does a really, really good job with their dial work. They are making very precise, very well-done dials. And these are no exception. The beads of rice here is like a strap-style beads of rice, which is to say the actual bracelet portion is skinnier than the bar end link, so it gives sort of a like a strap appear
Unknown ance and the way that bra
Everett celet with the way the watch actually hugs hugs the bracelet's very attractive, but it's got this like real mid-century classic dressy vibe to it. So um gosh i i think this is really cool the bregae numerals on the more what i'm gonna call the more classic dial are really sexy
Unknown really sexy bregay numerals they have
Everett a hand-drawn appearance to them, which I which I love
Andrew . Yeah. I I just I'm I'm curious what what comes next with the absence of the micro rotor
Everett . Yeah, who knows? You know, uh Baltic's doing a lot of stuff. And so
Andrew They're also kind of all over the place, but in a in a uh disciplined manner
Everett . Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's right. You know, Baltic was one of the uh one of the brands I was super excited to see at this last wind up and then they were they just wouldn't talk to me. So I don't I think I've talked about it on the show. It's like why is it getting why is it so hard to get someone to talk to us? Um yeah, that's a great watch. Great couple of watches, I should say. They're probably already sold out
Andrew . I'm sure they are. Uh
Everett Horage? Horage? O
Andrew rage. Porridge? Porridge.
Everett Horridge? Um
Andrew man. Lots
Everett of bad jokes. Uh popped into my head. Horage movement maker that also makes watches because they want to show off their movements, I think,
Unknown or at least that's what it was at first
Everett , uh, has dropped I think an absolute banger and nobody's talking about it. Nobody's talking about this watch. I think that's because it's too exp
Unknown ensive. But
Andrew it's yeah, that was it's an
Everett expensive price point. But what this is is one of their K2 micro rotor watches.
Unknown And Oraj
Everett introduced, I believe, their K2 micro rotor in 2021 in the Super Seed GMT. This is a micro rotor GMT movement. And because it's a Raj, we've got in addition to a GMT
Andrew and a micro rotor, we've got a day-night
Everett indicator and a power reserve indicator
Andrew . Both well executed.
Unknown In this case, they're both well executed.
Everett Um I saw this watch at first, and here's what I'll say about this watch. I do not like the primary font on this watch. There's something about it that gives me a little bit of erkiness.
Andrew It is it's somewhere between like cartoony and tribally.
Everett Oh, tribally, I'm sure I said. No, look at the
Andrew look at the eight, the way the eight like
Unknown snakes on itself and the nine snakes
Andrew on itself. Yeah. So yeah, that Celtic y knotty. But not with an N A U with a K and O.
Everett But then the more I got into
Andrew sort of looking at the swatch, the more I was like
Everett , you know what?
Andrew This thing's cool. So it's called the Mol
Unknown okini, which is named after
Everett the Molokini crater, which is a Maui dive spot. It's a 38mm case in 904L steel, which is cool. It'
Unknown s 9.65 thick
Everett with a really, really compact 44.6 lug-to-lug. Uh that is housing an automatic GMT with a day-night and a power reserve indicator. It's got a unidirectional rotating timing bezel that is very thin. Oh
Andrew , it's razor thin. Pushed out to
Everett the side and has really, really well executed uh and and it's a really well-executed engraved marking set. It's not a lot of times when you see engraved bezels, they're really obnoxious. This is very subtle, and I love it. I love it. And of course, we've got an hour hand, a minute hand, and a different colored GMT hand. We've got a terrific lollipop seconds hand, really good uses of color here, big domed sapphire, uh and 200 meters of water resistance. This is like a serious fucking watch with all sorts of cool shit, uh absolutely gorgeous polished bracelet, a gorgeous three-link polished bracelet, uh, and a dope ass micro rotor movement. Have you it's about as
Andrew cool as a micro rotor can get? It's gold plated tungsten, like it's it it this looks like something you cost
Everett certified, of course. Um this thing's cool, man.
Andrew A fully anthracite finished movement with like great purlage, a grid accent on the second layer of the dial.
Everett It's very much a haraj movement. You won't be surprised when you see it, but it looks it just looks so fantastic. I don't know if I said 10 millimeters of toll-free micro adjustment and the beautiful bracelet. The the only the only problem here is these are they've set pricing at six thousand four hundred and ninety um Swiss francs.
Andrew Yeah. So it
Everett it's it it it there's a big ask on this
Andrew . I mean what's the um what are what are people selling watches for that are fueled by their movements? About that
Everett Yeah, well I don't I really don't know. Frankly, I'm not super familiar. Um It it's it's just objectively it's a lot of money. I mean that puts them in big boy territory and and so I'm not going to suggest for a moment that they're not competing with other watches at that range. I mean, look at Bremont, right? Like I buy this over Bremont all day. But that to say, it is it's an expensive watch
Andrew . Yes. Um
Everett which is okay. It's okay for watches to be expensive.
Andrew And I think this hits all of the points where it should be expensive. If this is a 200$0, watch, you're like, no, there's something fucking wrong with it
Everett . 904L, super
Unknown thin. Good
Andrew water resistance. Razor thin movement. The movement's 3.4 millimeters. Y
Unknown ep. Yep.
Andrew That's wild. And 9
Unknown .65, including the domed c
Everett rystal with three ex
Andrew tra complications past a three-hander. And it's gold-plated tungsten
Unknown . And Kosk
Everett certified. Yeah. Not Cos
Unknown k Excelleneter
Andrew . Just Kosk chronometer, which is
Everett my, I think minus four plus six
Unknown . Uh it's a really cool watch, man
Andrew . It's a suit like I I I would have never expected to see a a bezel this thin on a dive watch or a GMT that I felt like was functional, but because of the engraving and the beveling on that bezel, that's a perfectly legible and usable bezel for the intended purpose. Yeah. Great day-night indicator, the power reserve indicator also works for me. I the vertical date on the date window is a is a little bit of a uh it throws me off a little bit. So
Unknown pre-erord price on this is 5,99
Everett 0 Swiss francs,
Unknown which comes out to 7,752 US dollars. And that's before any sort of VAT. And I'm not able to find any information on tariffs or VAT or or anything like that. So I you know, this might be this might be simply out of reach for US customers. I I I don't know
Andrew . Yeah. I'm not gonna look into it
Unknown 'cause I'm not gonna buy it, but pretty cool watch, man. I have a hard time I have a hard time looking at this and thinking anything but
Andrew Good thoughts. Yeeha. Like happy, warm thoughts. W
Unknown hat's next, sir? Orient cream
Andrew thoughts. Um Delbana Rotunda. Don't call me that. I'm gonna call you whatever I want. Ah, so this is a watch that I don't think we talked about. It is not a
Unknown I don't think we've talked about it. This was on and off my list to this one.
Andrew Um, so this watch brand returned mid-90s and then in 2002 kind of started to become a thing, and then in 2021, the Delbana Rotunda Dress Collection um came back with a very 1950s inspired um dress watch design and you can see all of it but, with modern upgrades in the design. So this is a 40 millimeter case, and that's I think the only issue that I that I'm gonna take with something like this watch designed of this era. Pull it down. Just shrink it a little bit. 11.5 thick, 48 lug to lug, a Salita SW200 movement coming in with black, blue, green, purple, and mocha in paren salmon. Um, and that's because the these are all really lovely two-tone uh concentric dials. The logo at the 12 o'clock is fantastic. It's kind of like a house shape of the of Delbana. The colors are fantastic. These don't look like renderings that I'm looking at. The finishing looks really good. Man, I'm I'm for it. And these are also under a thousand bucks 50 meters of water resistance. So it does kind of play in that dress watch zone. Like I wouldn't I sporty as it may be, I'm not I'm I struggle to consider 50 meters of water resistance adequate to be a sport watch. Uh bracelet looks really good on these, a flat five link. I'm I'm intrigued by this brand
Unknown . Yeah I mean I think the watch uh for me this watch is a little confused. You've got a great bracelet a really sporty dial cool numerals, but 50 meters of water resistance. It's too thick to be a dress watch. It's too sporty uh to be a dress watch, but it's also too dressy to be and not enough water resistance to be a sport watch. Uh it there feels it feels confused to me. The price is fine. Um the price is fine
Andrew . I love the dials. The
Unknown color decisions they made with these di
Andrew als are fantastic. Yeah, ag
Unknown reed. Agreed. I've got no complaints. A br
Andrew and that now has my attention a little bit
Unknown . Jack Mason, a brand that's had my attention for at least a few years. 2015 brand that really in the last four or five years has uh picked up its game.
Everett It went from a brand that I was
Unknown aware of, but without any sort of real positive thought to being in my mind one of the hottest sort of quote unquote micro brands.
Andrew Five years ago, man, they they dropped this GMT and they're like, hey,
Everett uh we were fucking around a little bit and uh
Andrew we're done with that yeah yeah
Unknown that that's right so they've released um the new strato timer gm t frontier which is sort of the next evolution of their you know uh I I don't know if this is their flag ship, but I I think certainly w one of the hallmarks of the p
Andrew illar. Yeah, we're it it's in
Unknown there. So um
Andrew Cornerstone. These are
Everett very uh these are very attractive watches. We've got a C case, but outside of that we've got uh a familiar we we've got some familiar design cues here we've got
Unknown a great 24 hour bezel
Everett to complement the gmt hand
Unknown . And this is coming in two colors. I believe what they're calling a uh alp
Everett ine white. Okay
Unknown . Uh which is different than polar for sure. Or
Andrew Arctic. Or uh ye
Unknown ah. Uh alpine uh with this really lovely glossy white dial and black plated hands and indices and then the night edition which is this glossy super deep bottom of the earth
Everett glossy black dial
Unknown with really really bold silver hands and markers. Um, tons of loom, tons of loom, 9075, unsurprisingly, uh, which is the movement that Jack Mason has rode this current wave on. Um We've got sort of uh
Everett built in the USA designed in Tex
Unknown as prominently on the back because that's you know one of Jack Mason's Jack Mason's thing. Hey, we're building these watches here. We're designing them here. Of course, we've got this fantastic Japanese movement, and that's displayed proudly that you so that you can see it
Everett . Um, gosh, this
Unknown is really just great, great bracelet. Uh, micro adjust. Jack Mason is doing everything exactly right with these watches, assuming you like the style. Assuming you like the style.
Andrew This is a very 60s, 70s tool watch, like kind of height of the divers tool watch feel.
Everett 1099 pre-orders are
Unknown open now, shipping February
Everett 27th. Interesting thing here, uh
Andrew a bi-directional bezel. Yeah
Everett , makes sense on a GMT. I think it makes sense on a GM
Andrew T. Yeah. Yeah. But you don't see it.
Unknown Yeah. You you
Andrew just assume that people are just gonna jump the hand and put it where they want it. But a bidirectional bezel, 200 meters of water resistance, this thing is no bullshit. Bidire
Unknown ctional bezel actually gives you a third time zone
Andrew . It does. Yeah. Yeah. Or a
Unknown a just a turn a rotating bezel gets you a third
Everett time zone. So Yeah. But
Andrew you see rotating bezels with with regularity, but not a bidirectional. So that quick adjust i is uh it's a thing. And a thing worth appreciating
Everett . Yeah, you you said, you know, most people just jump the hand. Well, you can j
Unknown ump the hand and use the bezel to give you a or self yourself
Everett an an even a third.
Andrew So any other watches you want to talk
Everett about? Uh not really. Okay. Um I think the only other watch that was on my list
Unknown that I thought, gosh, we should really talk about this is a Rotto watch.
Everett So Rotto has d
Unknown one a series of collaborations with
Everett the Les Colus Suisse
Unknown . Uh which is I think it is a
Andrew color but licensor
Unknown like Pantone. Uh,
Everett but it is run by theund Fation
Unknown o Le Cou Corbussier, who's a designer slash architect. Anyway, I don't know a lot about it, but um
Everett they have released a set
Unknown of Rotto's released a set of three watches
Everett in conjunction with Les
Unknown Colours Les Corburcier Cor Cor
Everett busier. Um fu
Unknown ck man. I just want to play that on re
Andrew peat. Uh and
Unknown and and you know what? I don't know anything about the buildings that these are homages to I don
Everett 't I don't really know anything about the historic color palettes
Unknown that these are drawing colors from
Everett but what I can say is
Unknown I do know about watches and these are good ones.
Andrew Yeah these are fun. These
Unknown are very they feel very much to
Everett me like swatches
Andrew . Or like IFL watches or But they're made
Unknown out of badass rotto ceramic. Yeah. Uh each of these is using three or four colors from this historical color palette. Which is to say they're using a color, one color for the case and dial, and then three separate colors, notable colors from this color palette for the hands, and each of them has three differently colored hands: hour, minute, and seconds. Um, there's a white version with th
Everett ree different blues. There
Unknown is a black vers
Everett ion with a orange, green, and y
Unknown ellow handset. And then there's
Everett my favorite, which is this gra
Unknown y on gray. And it comes with like
Everett a white, a coral
Unknown , and a light b
Everett lue handset
Unknown . I like all of these i would wear
Everett any of these um
Unknown these are really really attractive wat
Everett ches is 40 millimeters by 10 four
Unknown um I'm not gonna talk about all the col
Everett ors because that doesn'
Unknown t really matter. This is they all are powered by the Rotto R763 automatic, which
Everett I believe is
Unknown a power medic. I think it's just a po
Everett wer matic A. Um
Andrew Well we'll soon know if it has 80 hours of power reserve. Well it does have
Everett 80 hours of power reserve. It's Eda, it's an Eda I mean this is a
Andrew well when with a Kosk Excellence chronometer certification comes out and they test the power reserve, we'll know for su
Unknown re.
Everett Um these are twenty eight hundred bucks, which is a lot of money. Um, but I think with what you're getting here short of the movement, the I wish these
Unknown had a better movement, but with what you're getting in terms
Everett of colors and ceramic,
Andrew highly, highly developed colors,
Everett ceramic bracelets on these. These are really cool watches, man
Andrew . You're not getting into full ceramic with a bracelet. I don't think I've seen
Everett any pictures of the clasp.
Andrew It might be on purpose.
Everett It might be. It might be. That's obvious
Unknown ly not something they're selling uh here. Um
Everett But I I did want to talk about. I thought these were really cool
Unknown . Uh that's really all I have to say about them. Andrew, do you have another thing you'd like to tal
Andrew k I do have another thing. I got a um kitchen knife set recently.
Everett Oh yeah. I I'll send you the link
Andrew to it. Um Your Marlboro Miles. Because I've had I've had a bunch of chefs knives and cooking knives over my adult life, um, ranging from like Wustoff to Victor Knox to uh Henkles to Dexter Russell. Uh a brand that I have had forever is Global. I've had a six-inch chef's knife from Global for 17 years. And Global gets kind of poo-pooed in the Chef's Knife Reddits because they're a mass produced Japanese blade. But what I've found is that I really like the grip, I really like the balance, and I really like the Japanese blade style. I I've gone down a rabbit hole into like I'm I'm gonna start spending entirely too much money on um handmade chef's knives um from Japan and that's gonna suck. Um might impact my watch buying. But I I got this this uh global tekoku five piece knife block set and I think this is the most perfect knife set for any person looking to upgrade from the knife block that they got for their wedding that is totally and completely adequate. But this is it it pairs down your knives to four knives it has a meh knife block so what it comes with is an eight inch chef's knife which is a perfect length.' Youre not going you will, and if you get into like big butchering, surpass the need for eight inches. But an eight-inch chef's knife is amazing length. The balance is still really good on it. Comes with a bread knife. Everyone should have a long serrated slicing knife. A seven-inch vegetable knife, which has a curved blade and then a flat front. And a um how long is that utility knife a four and a quarter inch utility knife this thing does it all this this could be the only knives that you have in your kitchen globals keep really sharp they look really good. Uh the grip on the vegetable knife is the most interesting and comfortable grip I've ever held in a knife
Everett . You said on the vegetable
Unknown knife. Mm-hmm. It's kind of a
Andrew a spike. Like a trying a pyram a pyramid shape almost. You gotta feel it when you go downstairs. Because most chef knife handles are you know, they're an oval, they're round, they're kind of squared off, but this being a s a different style of knife is is a fascinating ergonomic experience where I was like, oh my goodness.
Unknown Yeah. Um these are crazy sharp right
Andrew out of the box. They're really easy to keep sharp and you can uh sharpen them to a really, really high angle. Um such that like I don't even use my mandolin after I've sharpened these knives. Like you just don't need it. You get wafer thin slices of everything. Um, 250 bucks on these. You if you go to like the global website, it's a 500 knife block. Uh, and if you buy them each independently they're 120 to 150 bucks a piece if you're if
Unknown you're kind of like thinking about upgrading
Andrew your your kitchen knives from the like Henkel set that you got when you got married or like that you stole from your college apartment uh and you want a matching set of knives this is this is it you you're not gonna over the course of normal cooking come across a scenario where these knives won't get you there. Yeah, glob
Everett als are really pretty and I think they uh they do a thing that um really most knives
Unknown the you know aesthetically and just I'm I'm I'm a fan. I'm a fan of these. I've used your global your globals in the past
Andrew . I like some. I I absolutely love mine
Unknown and and there's there are
Andrew objectively better knives in the world, but I think for it's al
Unknown ways something for for day to day use
Andrew for like your average person who cooks with some kind of regularity and likes nice things. This is this is the one. Andrew,
Everett I have got um probably nine or ten pair of darn tough socks.
Andrew Oh, how you know do you know the company Darn
Everett Tough? I am aware of Darn Tufts. Uh I've got I've got two pair of darn
Unknown tough skiing socks, like ski socks high that come up, you know, past my calf.
Everett And then I've got like a
Unknown couple of pair of like hiking, sort of thicker wool crew length. And
Everett then I've got probably five p
Unknown air of merino dress socks, you know, thinner not quote unquote dress socks, but dress-e socks, dress-ish soc
Everett ks. And um
Andrew yeah, about a year ago, I got a
Everett pair of darn tough socks for my birth
Unknown day. Kim got me a pair of darn tufts with roosters on them
Everett . Cocks. With cocks on them. And the very first time I pulled them on my foot, uh, it tore at the heel. The le
Unknown ft sock tore it at the heel. Big
Andrew hobo toe. And I
Everett thought, well, you know, these are expensive and they're lifetime guaranteed, and I'll have
Unknown to take them back. Well, as you know, these things go, I didn't back. They've been sitting on my dresser and just they've been sitting there. This is my
Everett birthday 202
Unknown 4. So it is some some sometime
Everett . 14 months or so ago. Um well I had another pair of darn tough darn tufts rip in the same place this last week
Andrew . Unconditionally guaranteed for life, they say
Everett . And it was in the same place, and I thought, you know what? These are lifetime guaranteed. I've at the very least, I've got this one
Unknown that ripped the first time I put them on. And
Everett then I've got this other pair that I've worn. Like
Unknown I've I've put these through their paces. And
Everett so I just got on a horn and called up Darntough. And I was like, Hey, I know it's
Unknown the age of the internet. I could probably look all this up, but I'm just wondering about your process and that there's anything I need to know. I'm gonna make, I think, a warranty claim at least
Everett on one of these. And he was like, Well, well
Unknown , you say you have two pair. Why would you you're not gonna make it on both of them? And
Everett I was like, Well, one of them I've really worn. And he's like, Well, they're warrantied for life. And he's like, So you've got two choices. You can pull the form
Unknown off the website, or if you if you will tell me where you're located, I can look up um retailers in your area. And I say, well,
Everett I, you know, I'm in Eugene and this is where
Unknown I buy him. And he says, Oh, yep, that's they're an authorized real teller. You can just take them in
Andrew . That's like REI, man. I love that. J
Everett ust take them in. And they know what to do. They know exactly what to do
Unknown . Just they'll just give you store credit, you can get
Everett two new pair. Any any darn
Unknown tough. It doesn't like you don't have to worry about price or anything. You tak
Everett e the two pair in, you walk out with two
Unknown new pair. And so I went to Porter House, which is a place that you can shop online if you're so inclined, but it's also a local, we have a brick and mortar here. And I walked in and I said, Hey, Omar, and he said, Hey, Everett. And I said, Hey, I've got these two darn tufts that are both broken. And they sent me to you. And he was like, Yeah, go pick out two new ones. And so I got two brand new pairs of dark tops today. And I was like
Andrew , that is so
Everett cool. Now I I won't say, you know, oftentimes
Unknown when we talk about other things on this show, we're like, this is so great. Um,
Everett they're fine. This is what they said they
Andrew would do when they did it and they didn't put your nuts in a vice to do it.
Unknown That's right. Uh darn toughs are fine socks. I I they're not my favorite ski socks. They're not my favorite dress socks. They're f
Everett ine. They're merino. They're nice. They're
Unknown comfortable. Uh and goddamn when I had two of them that needed that had holes. I just got two new
Everett pairs. They're in that sen
Unknown se bites for life.
Unknown Yeah. No proof of purchase, no not
Unknown hing. Just walked in, dropped them off on the counter. One brand new pair with a hole in the heel and one not brand new pair with a hole in the heel. And
Andrew guaranteed none of the four were washed.
Everett Uh no, they were all clean. No, how about that? Yeah. Uh yeah. Darn
Andrew tough socks. I need to upgrade my sock game
Everett . You should. Yeah. Socks. I you know, the only thing about
Unknown socks that irritates me is you'
Everett ve got two tiers.
Unknown Exactly two tiers of socks, and and really you've got more than that, but but real like you've
Everett got inexpensive socks,
Unknown which are socks that cost between three and four dollars per pair, that are very adequate.
Andrew And the first time you put them on, they're magic. And
Everett that's what 95% of everybody we
Unknown ars. Because to get into the next tier, you're at like
Everett 15 to 20 per pair, right? There's no like
Andrew middle ground. Right?
Unknown It's either inexpensive
Everett or fucking expensive. Y
Andrew es. And I find that frustrating.
Unknown I wear Bombas dress socks for work and they're
Everett pretty expensive. Uh, but man, I'll tell ya, there's nothing else that I've ever worn. I've and I've had
Unknown like Pantherella dress socks, which were very, very expens
Everett ive, and I like the Bombas better.
Unknown They're springy, you can wear them
Everett a bucket load of times.
Unknown They wash well. Uh they go over the you know, I wear the ones that go over my calf they stay up
Andrew that's the one right is finding the right length
Everett yeah because there's not really there's foot siz
Andrew es of sock but there's not leg length of socks
Unknown right I I don't I
Andrew either want one to like sit below my calf or it needs to come all the way up to above it.
Everett Yeah, the crew length is is annoying. I'm actually, you'll laugh at me, but I didn't take my work socks off. I
Andrew didn't take mine off either. Yeah, these just
Everett go right up to just below my knee and they stay there all day.
Andrew But that's not where they would land on me, because you're taller than me. They'd
Everett I think that's where they would land. May
Andrew be. I don't know. Yeah. Hey. Sam got me a pair of uh bamboo socks for Christmas.
Everett I hate bamboo socks. Oh, I l
Andrew oved them. Oh, interesting. Yeah. I I wear them frequently.
Everett I am not a fan. The the material they breathe well, but the material I find is super slippery
Andrew . A little slippery, yeah. And I do
Everett not like that feeling. Oh. I d like putting it
Unknown inside of shoes, I just merino or I don'
Everett t mind cotton. Like a cotton polymi
Unknown x, but merino, man. I've been rocking D
Andrew icky's like boot socks at work for a long time. Like a really long time. And they hold up really, really well. Um and they're inexpensive. And they're inexpensive. And uh they're just like they're they're totally not noteworthy. But for the fact that they've lasted in pretty high use for seven years. I love me some bombas.
Unknown I love me some bombas, I love
Everett and now I love darn tough. I'm just I'm smitten
Andrew . Because they uh they actually have a unconditional lifetime guarantee.
Everett Though the socks I'm sort of like I'm shhmedium on
Andrew anybody who upholds a guarantee without putting you through the roller
Unknown , worth it. Uh And
Everett rew, is there anything else you want to talk about before we go
Unknown ? No. Hey folks, thanks for joining us for
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