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Year of the FIRE Horse (375)

Published on Tue, 06 Jan 2026 21:59:00 -0800

Synopsis

Hosts Everett and Andrew return for another episode of the Forty and Twenty podcast, recording a day late due to illness affecting both hosts and their families during the end-of-year period. Despite the challenging timing and slower release schedule typical of early January, they dive into an eclectic mix of watch releases. The episode features several Chinese New Year limited editions celebrating the Year of the Fire Horse, including pieces from Oris, Tag Heuer, and Vario. They discuss various other releases ranging from affordable options like the Hamilton Khaki Field Mechanical boutique exclusives and the $200 Island Puck from Hemel, to ultra-luxury pieces like the $183,000 Voutilainen world timer. The hosts also cover unusual pieces like the Bernhardt Cipher Diver made in collaboration with Monticello, featuring a UV-reactive bezel for decoding messages, and the technically innovative Bulman Decompression dive watch. They wrap up with "other things," including Andrew's new Workshop Precision knife sharpener and Everett's enthusiastic recommendation of the Paul Thomas Anderson film "One Battle After Another" starring Leonardo DiCaprio.

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Andrew Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to Fortyand20, the WatchClicker podcast with your hosts Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, how are you? So good. Uh actually I'm terrible. Not terrible. I'm I'm better today. Uh I've been sick. I've been sick. I um got sick and then I got better. And then I got sick again. I was just telling you, I think I had I had like back to back bugs. Uh which has been which has been a little weird. It it sort of coincided with the end of the year too, and like everything gets weird at the end of the year. So because your kids never leave and yeah, and just with work too, like and you were traveling and that's right. That's right. So uh and in our lines of work, the like the level of importance doesn't change, but your willingness to be able to do anything or action on anything, it's like everything's closed right now. Like yeah, I'm gonna give you the I'm gonna give you effort. But nobody's at work. Like w I I'm just alone right now. Yeah. I I I will say um like the general expectation is that nothing's gonna happen in these periods of time. So uh people generally try to avoid like having deadline things and people are pretty gracious with extensions and deadlines. So um yeah, I did another attorney dirty. I I filed a summary judgment which required a response to be due on the third. And I was like, if you need some time, go ahead and take it. You have to ask the court for it. But uh I wasn't trying to do that. I could have filed this three days later, but you know, not a big deal. I couldn't. We were yeah, anyway. But I feel like fingers crossed, I'm I'm through the worst of it. Andrew, how are you? Um, you know, I'm also on the tail end of all of our own illnesses. My wife got uh they called it super strep last week. Uh I guess when they do uh when they do a strep test. They have to like put it in some kind of solution and then wait for it to change colors. And apparently hers there was no waiting. It was just like touch it to the solution, it's activated. It's like, oh yeah, no, you got you got strep. So fortunately antibiotics made her bounce right back. Uh whatever I have is not strep. Um it's just some weird cold that I'm coming on the end of. You know, same same game, like end of the year. Happy New Year, everyone. Um haven't uh yeah, we're having a having a weird start to the year. So yeah, we are a day late. So this episode will come out Wednesday, and that's not because I've just failed to upload it. It's because it's actually Tuesday night. We recorded late. Yeah. Yeah. So that's gonna happen. Actually, we still might make our Tuesday. We still might make a Tuesday release. Let's do it. We're we got it. It'll be Tuesday on the West Coast at the very least. Yeah. Well, that's the the real coast. Yeah, yeah. That's right. Um, but here we are. We're gonna talk about watches. You know, this is a weird time for the format of the show because there's just not a lot of releases happening right now. Um I reached back into December a little bit, picked up some things we missed. Um I think half of yours were watches that we've already talked about. As always. Yeah, so it's just a little bit of a dry time of year for new releases, which is fine. Which is fine. Maybe we'll be under an hour. Probably not. Never are. Never are. We we used to have this conversation, like, are we gonna have enough? Are we gonna be able to cover it? And those are always our longest episodes. Yeah. So there's no pressure. We can just talk about watches. Yeah. It does seem like those episodes we do feel like a little bit more comfortable just vibing. And I think sometimes that that turns out well. In any event, we do have watches to talk about. Andrew, would you like to lead us off? We do, and I want to start. Did you get new Olympia slippers? Uh these aren't L-bean, these are isotoners. Oh wow. And you know what? They last exactly as long. And they are exactly as comfortable. Uh I know that because I I walked out to um Sam's car four days ago. She was leaving and forgot something on the counter. So I hustled it out to her and the ground was wet. And when I walked inside, so too were my feet. And I was like, oh, time for new slippers. When I pulled up the Amazon order. Fourteen months since I bought the last pair of isotoner slippers. Uh and that's how long my LL bean slippers last. Fourteen months. Oh interesting. I get about three years out of the LL beans. I I did well no, we talked about this actually because there was uh a clear manufacturing change because Kim's also didn't last very long. Yeah, hers had some defects in the game. Yeah. And I there had they just had to make some manufacturing changes. Um because mine initially felt like they would last a good long time. And 14 months later, like the souls falling off one of them and started talking to me. Boom. Yeah. So I I'm going with these. These are like 30 bucks on Amazon. They're a lot cheaper, yeah. They last a year and a little change. And they're just as comfortable. At least right out of the box. And I don't feel bad wearing them outside or like doing gross stuff in them because they cost next to nothing. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Good call. We have our first first Chinese New Year limited release from Oris. Uh we're the first one we're talking about on the show. Alright, fair enough. So this is ahead of the year of the Fire Horse. This is a limited edition from Old Hill. Is it actually a fire horse? So I don't know why. I I I should probably ask one of the kids why it's the fire horse. Um as opposed to just the horse. But I don't know. So this is their 43mm case. It's running on their caliber 113 movement. Uh, and it's this, you know, usually I don't get down with like just the color release editions. This is a really good red with gold markers, uh very subtle horse characters on your three o'clock subdial, really good sunburst, uh, kind of ombre rather than burst color on those subdials. Uh, and I I like everything about this. This is this a watch that uh even at the 43mm case, 131 thick, whoof, 50 lug to lug, and only 50 meters of water resistance. This is a watch that I think I would wear. Uh they're only making 88 because it is uh in in honor of the lucky number eight. Um so they're making rather than eight of them they're making 88 of them. Uh yeah it's a big bitch. Is are these all sold out? I think I have to assume they are this is this article has been published for a week, well, 15 hours, which is a weekend buying time. That's a big old watch, man. But you know, Aurus is Oris are always big. That like Oris doesn't make small svelt watches. They make big pilot, big pointer date, big big watches. You know, I'm a huge fan of this 10-day this 10-day movement they have, but you can see it's a see-through case back, and that see-through case back is dominated by movement. I I this thing's gotta just be is a big movement. It's like a it's like a pocket watch movement. Oh yeah, it has to be. Hand wound, ten day, power reserve. It's it's a cool movement, man. Yeah, this is neat. I the the those subdials I feel like are squeezed into the center of the dial in a way that I'm not a huge fan of. Yeah, they don't well to make room for their month calendar on the outside, they had to compress the subdials in so as not to interfere with the date time like the the date telling functionality. Is that not how this normally is? Or are they normally further out? I feel like they are. Because I feel like this this nine o'clock date window doesn't usually cut as far in. Um and this six o'clock day window is. Yeah, you know what? I'm looking at it. I think they're always that far in. They do they pull some tricks with the way they set up the subdials. They sort of leave them open on the inside but um yeah the it's it's just the way that movement is set up where they're always kind of squeezed. I guess so maybe this one just looks more squeezed because of the burst of color coming out of the center of that subdial. Yeah, not true. This is a really, really good red though. Uh it is a good red. It is a good red. There's a lot of color on this, which is not a bad thing. It's just it's just a lot. It is a lot. Uh I'm gonna talk about our second year of the horse watch. This is not a year of the fire horse watch. This is just a a horse. Just a just a regular ass horse. The Taghoyer Carrera chronograph year of the horse. Um this is uh Taghoyer Carrera with a single subdial. They've skewed a running seconds on this. So you get a chronograph seconds and a minutes at uh three o'clock, you have a uh date at nine o'clock, and the seventh day of the date window is a red numeral seven because the year of the horse is the seventh character in seventh position in the Chinese Zodiac. Otherwise, it's just a Carrera chronograph. So 39mm, 5B link, five link beads of rice. Uh Pump Stall Pusher. We've got the Tag Horrier 2007 movement. Yeah. Yeah. The laser-etched uh horse on the case back is cool. Yeah. This is a different approach to this colorway. So here we've got sort of a champagne dial and a champagne rehot, gold into season hands, and then red just on the subdial and on the date window. And the second hands. Or in the in your your chronograph seconds. Yeah. Your second hand, yeah. So I I like this. I I think for me, this more it's slightly more subdued, I think, slightly more less bold in your face. But also like pretty similarly so though. Yeah. I I I mean yes, but this feels like a more conventional colorway to me than the aurus. I I really like this watch. This could be a not Chinese New Year watch colorway. Yeah, perhaps. Though it it everything about it screams Chinese New Year with the red and that kind of champagne like gold. From the copy, we do have some fire horse from from the marketing copy anchored in Tag Hoyer's signature 39 millimeter glass box design that's timepiece bridges east and west reinterpreting the fiery spirit of the fire horse from the Chinese zodiac through meticulous detailing and refined craftsmanship. Uh YMMV. Yeah. I I think this is cool. I think it's sexy. It it is um limited to 250 pieces. I and I I don't know if those, you know, I think generally anything Chinese sells out relatively quickly. Um I don't have a price on this, which is odd. Which is odd. Um but you know what? It's probably between four and thirteen thousand dollars. Uh so fire horse years are rare. They only occur every sixty years. What? Explain. I don't know. This is what the AI, the Google AI told me. I don't know why. Well let's uh let's m just move that right along into our next fire horse watch. Uh we're we're out of them. Uh well no only kind of uh but not actually at all. Uh Vario has Has two new festive limited edition Versa models um with one of them being so d can you believe Vario's ten years old this year? Sure. That surprises me. It it still feels like a when I think of Vario, I I imagine a very young brand. Um that's just not the case. Very young relative to two excuse me, 200-year-old brands, but the maturity that they've obtained, attained in the last couple years is pretty impressive. Um, so we this is a Singapore-based brand, uh, and they are doing two vario versas, which is the two-sided dual-time complication. And there's four dials and two watches. These are reversos, if you will. The first being a green with uh Arabic Eastern Arabic Arabic uh numerals. And the second is this like really lovely gold flaked red with um the hang on, I I want to make sure, see if I can say it even. Um Red enamel dial, gold flex, golden calligraphy symbol in the style of Wang Shi Ji from the Jin Dynasty, the representing the un lunar year for the horse of 2026. And then opposite is a neat and clean black with white, and opposite the green is a white with black and traditional Western Arabic numerals. Um this is and and wait, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. 654 bucks. Yeah. They're using a quartz movement. We only have 20 meters of water resistance. The size on these is really good. We have a 39 millimeter lug to lug, 26 millimeters wide and 12 thick for a dual-time two-faced watch. That's n that's thin. Each of these with two Ronda 1062s, which in terms of quartz movements is up there, right? This is a repairable six-year power reserve. It's a good movement. Excuse me, fifty meters of water resistance. Uh yeah. Th this is this is cool. Uh unfortunately they're only making a hundred of each of them uh for six hundred twenty-five bucks you're not gonna find kind of this level of cool in in that price range uh it comes on either a strap or a straight link uh metal bracelet. This is cool. And coming from a a relatively small brand, this is it has my attention. Yeah I think these are kind of neat. I I mean we don't have we have sort of a tank slash reverso thing here, but I I I like they've sort of done their own thing. We've got, you know, this double quartz movement where no matter how it's oriented, the the crowns at 12. It's pretty cool. I I I think this is great. The red's got an alternate silver dial, and the greens got a alternate black dial. I like the red. That gold flecked enamel is really cool. The fire horse. Yeah. Do we have a um a fourth? Do we have a Raymond Weil that we can talk about? Uh I don't think so. Dang. Only three fire themed watches this week, y'all. And I I apologize. Um I'm sorry. I am gonna talk about a watch. You didn't put this on your list, did you? I am gonna talk about a watch from a brand that we have not talked about in a very long time. Uh however, this brand was huge in the early days of 40 and 20, which is to say, we had a lot of, you know, honorable mention and appearances on, you know, top three, you know, three watches for X amount of dollars lists. Bernhardt watch company. You know, Bernhardt I think was really for me kind of a player in my sort of introduction to microbrand watches, you know, they've just been around for forever, over 20 years at this point. Um and always just seem to, you know, like uh be right on the cutting edge of quality to price, you know, really well positioned on that price to quality uh cusp, right? You kind of knew what you were gonna get and it was gonna be good and it was gonna be quality. Well, if you had asked me a week ago what happened to Bernhardt, I was like, I think they kind of fizzled out. Not so burnhart has been making and selling watches turns out and their most recent release is a version two of the binnacle diver. And they from what I can tell hit it out of the park with this. That's not what we're talking about today. Well, it is what we're talking about today. But rather, we're talking about a special release of the binnacle diver, which they're calling the Cypher Diver. Why do they call it that, Everett? Uh it's it's a mystery. So this watch has been made in collaboration with Monticello. Uh the group that runs Thomas Jefferson's residence Thomas Jefferson's residence in Virginia. Um a if you haven't to Monticello, you should really go. It's very, very cool. Um I uh I was being facetious. I didn't realize it was actually made in collaboration with the Thomas Jeffersons. It actually is, yeah. Which is a cool collaboration. Um, and and what this is, is a watch that is inspired by Thomas Jefferson and and is a nod to sort of his inventive streak with using code. So this watch has a pretty cool trick up its sleeve. So if you look at it, it looks like a dive bezel without any numerals. However, if you put a black light on it, it's got uh an alphabet cipher that as you turn the triangle to a certain time, the letters correspond with certain numbers. And so the cipher requires a key, which is a time, you know, 1250 or whatever it is, you know. Uh and and then the the numbers or the letters correspond to numbers within that key. It's it's a very sort of simple rudimentary cipher device, but it's cool, right? I don't think anybody's intending this to be like a top-of-the-line cipher device. Rather, it's just cool. So uh what's the new binnacle diver? The new binnacle diver is a 300. And I don't know when hang on, can we can we can we back up a little bit? Yeah at least so this cipher code is like a fun or the cipher graph is a fun game that they're gonna play with you up to the 250th anniversary of the United States independence this summer in that each week they're going to be releasing a different coded message for you to decode with your cipher watch. Yes. So we can continue to the binnacle diver. That's the maybe most fun part about this. Okay, fair this this watch is is kind of silly kind of fun and and it it totally it does not in any way take away from a a very like an attractive well-designed dive watch, but for the fact that you get to play for the next six months this little game with your watch. Yes. Good, good call. This watch is being released in celebration of the 250th birthday of the United States, perhaps the last birthday of the United States, um, as we enter almost certainly into World War III caused by us. Um it they're only champs, man. They're only making hundred pieces of it. I do believe they're still available. You have to go to the Bernhard website to buy them. Um, but let's talk a little bit about the watch because it's good. Miyoda 9039. 11 millimeters, 41 millimeters wide. You know, uh come on. How many how many metros? 300 300 meters of water resistance. It's good. You know, you know, I think 800 bucks. Yeah. I think maybe that's where Bernhard went is everything about them is so familiar, right? They're they're in that sub thousand dollar range. They're not doing anything particularly impressive. It's it they're just kinda like vanilla without the bean. Sure. Um, I would as as objectively good as this watch is in every category, somebody were like, hey, I have $800 to $1,000 to spend on a dive watch. This is not where I take them right away. Well maybe this one with the cipher key. Yeah I I I mean look I I if if you ask me to be perfectly honest I don't love this watch. I don't love the endlink. I don't love the 2015 sub-homage. Uh, I don't love any of the fonts. And in fact, I will go so far as to say this is a collection of some of the worst fonts I've ever seen on a watch. With that said, I love that they're just doing their thing, man. I love that Bernhard is like this is a watch that looks good to us. This is a watch we know is gonna sell. We buy our watches at quantities so that we can sell them at a good price. Um I do hate me the end link is what does it for me. Yeah, the end link is bad. The end link is bad. It's a male end link. It this this feels very twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen. Like what's that cartoon character that like hangs his nose over the fence and it's like so and so is here? Oh Dilroy. No, uh this is the the World War II Kilroy. Kilroy. Kilroy was here. That's what that in-link reminds me of, just hanging over like offensively long. Yeah, that was uh that was a uh World War II graffiti of American GIs. Kilroy was. True story. I believe you. I also have an idea of where it came from. What's next? Okay, next up. The cypher watch is really cool, and the the game that Bernhard wants to play with you for the next six months might in and of itself make this watch totally appealing on a nylon strap. Oh, I want to talk about a watch that I'm sure we've never talked about this brand before. But I saw it and I just Which means to me that there's a 30% chance we've talked about this brand before. Island Puck. Okay, no, we haven't. Is a lugless everyday watch with a smoother sweep. Um so this is from a a hang on, I gotta find it. This is a New York-based brand. It's a lot of dead air there. There was a lot of dead air there, and you're gonna have to take a note because there's a couple brands that I that that I have not ever talked about that we have not ever talked about tonight. Uh, and two of them are not from New York. So, this is a New York-based brand who's doing some really cool stuff with MechaCort's movements in these really attractive and affordable watch. So this is Island by Hemel. The model is the puck. It's a 40 millimeter case, 11 millimeters thick, 100 meters of water resistance, sapphire crystal, 20 millimeter lug width, uh using a Seiko VH31 with several dial options. So there's a radio room dial option, there is an all-black dial option, and there is what are they calling this one? Um there's a blue and red kind of combination. And this is just like in the way of design inspirations. This is like crashing Russian, not Russian, Soviet watch design aesthetic into the modern era in a way that's really attractive. It's the dimensions on it are great. Uh, they're using an interesting movement in the BH31, and they're 200 bucks. Like 100 meters of water resistance, just a pure banger grab and go quartz that's a little funky, has this interesting Soviet feel. And I don't know why, besides the radio room, I get a Soviet design feel out of this. It but that's that's kind of the the string that it's tickling on. You're not wrong. I I feel that too. Just very austere block colorways. And it's just good. So we've got the Avenger in black, the radio room is the white with the orange and red uh radio printing. And then the Snellway is the blue and the red, which has sort of a gulf uh motif, bit of a motorsports with the checkers on the on the bezel. Maybe it's the star. Kind of it kind of reminds me of like an aviation watch when you're looking at uh the you your um horizon instrument and then a big black star. Maybe that's it. Maybe that's and then the radio room feel cursive uh kind of scripty fonts on this. Uh yeah. Yeah. I like these. 200 bucks. This is a really interesting, this is a really interesting set of releases. And I think these are I think these are pretty cool. The the case back on these is kind of wild. It's like a a gold PVD that's been engraved and it it looks really neat. It does take away from the Soviet feel though. Yeah. But also kind of adds to maybe that's I would love to talk to the person doing these designs and be like, what's uh what's up? Yeah. Th these these are really attractive. Um definitely industrial design. These have sort of a a retro vibe. The the n the puck design, the the recessed lug design is something that doesn't get a ton of play and certainly that I don't usually love. I like it here. These are cool, man. If they were another hundred bucks, I would have a trouble with them, but at 200 bucks, you just there's exactly nothing to gripe about. Yeah. I'm with you. I take a flyer on these if yeah. I I and I love radio room dials. I think they're super like one of the the silliest, most practical complications that aren't a complication. You know, and each of these has a different handset too. So we've got sort of a syringe hand on the radio room. I guess it's the syringe hands on the on the Avenger as well, but the um sort of big like saber hands on the on the snowway. So and for 200 bucks you can get a couple of them. Just get them all. Good set. Yeah. I wonder if they give you a discount. Uh yeah, you could call and ask. I probably won't call. You could just say, Hey, I wanna review this, give them to me all for free. They'd probably do it. Um I'm not gonna write a review though. Well the you'll already have the You have an audio review. I think we're we're reviewing it actively. So a few months ago, we talked about Hamilton's release of the khaki field mechanical thirty-eight in this red brick dial, uh, being sold specifically out of their Lancaster store. And I was like, Oh, that's kind of cool. You know, blah, blah. Well, it turns out they've got four of them. They've got four of these. Each of these are being sold at different Hamilton boutiques across the world. We've got a Zermat edition, which has this icy blue glacier dial. It's probably my favorite of the bunch. It's yeah. We've got the Tokyo exclusive addiction, which uh is based on Cat Street, which is one of the city's most recognizable shopping areas. I know nothing about it. It's got a concrete dial with cat prints in it. I wonder if that's because there's a bunch of stray cats there. I don't know. Or if there's no stray cats there. And all you see left behind is footprints. The case back of this, we've got so the case back of this or mount we've the matter horn the case back of this we've got what they're calling a hipster cat it just feel it feels like they let their teams take control of these because they're all so different. The Hong Kong exclusive edition is also pretty cool, but I don't know. It's also weird. Um, but it is meant to strike and reflect the balance between urban life and dramatic natural scenery. I don't see that at all. So we've got on the dial the outline of Lion Rock, which is uh on the top portion of the dial in sort of an odie green and then a dark gray underneath. Oh now I see it. I thought that was just a weird shadow. Yeah, right. And on the case back we've got Victoria Harbor. And then, of course, the Lancaster store exclusive. We are paying tribute to Hamilton's birthplace in Pennsylvania with a brick-patterned dial uh very cool case back on that as um the Steinman hardware building where the boutique opened in twenty twenty four. All four of these are this is just a Hamilton khaki field mechanical guy. So 38 millimeters, nine and a half thick, 50 meters of water resistance, H50 movements in these new ones. Um, you know, that the khaki mechanical, I just think is one of the unsung heroes in watches, which is not to say it's unsung because everybody loves it, but I I just think the world of this watch, you know, I own one. For 700 bucks, I think you're just so hard pressed to find a better daily driver watch. Um mechanical, so hand winding. Um I want to say it's super easy to wear. Um they do make a bracelet for it and I think touch long on the lug to lug for me. It is a touch long. And the lugs are a touch long too. The the placement of the the placement so on a regular strap on a leather strap. You get some strap gap here, which I don't love. I always wear mine when I pass through. Besides that one objection, I just think the world of this watch, I love it. If you if you've never seriously considered this watch, maybe take a flyer. I think this watch solves a lot of problems that watch people have. Um because it's easy to wear, it's versatile. Uh it's good to have in your rotation. You know, if you're that guy that you've got like a diver and a pilot's watch and you're like, you know, I just, I just need something that that's sporty and not too dressy that I can just uh at 600 bucks try a khaki mechanical. And this watch is one that you're gonna want to like put through the meat grinder. This watch looks better as it gets banged up. This isn't a high-polish field watch. This is a very by design badass tool watch. Yeah, I mean it it certainly is. I I baby mine. I I'm I'm pretty kind to mine but um you could definitely wear this hard Oh. Andrew's feeling particularly juvenile tonight. That's the space I live in. Um, so I know you say you like the uh the blue, the um zermat. Yeah. I think Cat Street is is where I'm at. Concrete dial. Yeah, this concrete dial. I could do without the cat prints. Yeah. Uh but I like that concrete dial. It's like just the right amount of texture on it. Um really it's the case back for me. It's sh like hipster cat. The hipster cat wearing a a flatbill with the Hamilton logo on it. Like the bad news about these is you have to be in Zermot, Tokyo, Hong Kong, or Lancaster to get one. Until other people get one and then you can buy them online. That is true. But by and large, if you're gonna get one of these, you can't get them online, you gotta go to one of the boutiques. So that's the only it's the only downside to these. But you know what? Like they're rewarding you for living in these crazy places. Besides Lancaster, perhaps. I mean, I don't know. It's not a place I would want to live. Uh yeah, yeah, I I don't know. I I I used to I used to You know, these sort of odd limited editions. I think there's a lot of people who want us, oh stupid. I I actually think it's kind of cool. Like, hey, we're just making this available for people in this place or people who are. I'm okay with that. I think. I I I don't mind when a company says this isn't for the whole world, this is for this world. For our diehards, for the people who are either living here already and are coming to our boutiques or are traveling to come to our boutique. I don't know who's traveling to go to a Hamilton boutique. Uh exactly zero people. Exactly zero people. Unless it's like down the road. But there were people who traveled to a wind up just to get a shot at the the Fears Studio Underdog show lab. Like so there's people. There's people. What's next? Sir. Um, okay, another brand that I know we've not spoken of. I don't know why I chose this. Good luck. Anti Roko, son of Tony, the watchman of the underworld. And I'm gonna start with a big, big, big disclaimer. I think I don't like this watch. It's because it's terrible. But I love this watch. If you swapped out the dial and put this on like a similarly finished bracelet, I think I'm down. So this is a watch from a finished designer. It's 41.9 wide, 1015 thick, hardened IP black coated stainless steel. Um a bizarro moon movement. So it's a a modified soprod A10 with moon phases as the dial rotates. These are 15,000 bucks. So there's a two-moon version, it's 15,000 euros. There's a one moon version, it's 12,700. The whole idea of this watch, the story is is interesting and I'm I'm gonna spare you all the details. What this basically is is a watch designed after Finnish mythology, but it's this lovely handmade really cool angles and design language watch with really irregular lugs. It's almost like the lugs were rotated like 90 degrees, right? They they look like they should be out, but they're these very, very short lugs that are long along the axis of the case. The metal finishing on this is really cool. The story is interesting enough that it drew my attention and I read the thing. Uh the moon phase is actually completed by a rotation of the dial itself every twenty-nine and a half days, which is a uh a really unique uh complication to add to a watch. Yeah. I like I said, I think I don't like this watch. This watch is not for me, but I also think I love it. I love seeing this kind of storytelling and art put into a watch. Like maybe not art, yeah, art, craftsmanship put into a watch. Uh and this is for somebody, the just the level of craftsmanship across this entire creation is absolutely phenomenal. For I don't know why I watch. I feel like there's about a million other things that that they could be doing that would maybe maybe hit a little harder. Um, but it's wild and bizarre and I love that it exists and I would love to see one in person because it's really exceptional craftsmanship. It's weird as fuck though. God hated it so much. I I'm trying to think of what this like makes me makes me feel like something. Oh boy makes you think you're looking at the Lord of the Underworld.. Yeah That's that was something different, but we'll go with that for now. There's only twenty of each, and it does require a forty percent deposit. Oof. So, o.kay This isn't for you. It's not for me either. I need to shake it off a little bit. It's just it's phenomenal craftsmanship. Um okay, I'm gonna talk about a watch that sold out that we missed when it came out uh because I think it's really cool. Uh so if you pay attention to vehicles, in particular sort of Americana vehicles, you may know that Scout Motors is coming back with um what they're calling the Terra Truck and Traveler SUV. Now these both feel very much like uh the re release of the Ford Bronco. Um They're released they're gonna be released in twenty twenty seven, but Vero has done a collaboration with Scout Motors in their workhorse. So what these are are steel watches that are Sarah Coded with a quartz chronograph movement. They're big old watches. If you don't know what the workhorse is, just go look. These have a scout logo at 12 o'clock, and they come in a terracotta and moonstone blue, which is sort of this indigo orange and blue. Yeah. Yes. Terracotta's orange and the moonstone blue is this isn't even terracotta. This is this is a real orange. Terracotta's got like more more like rust to it. Yeah. Um it's a hundred and twenty millimeter quartz chronograph. We I I think it's a very cool watch. It's a Miyota 6S21. 120 meter? 120 meters of water resistance. Okay, you said 120 millimeter. And I was like, well, these are big, but that they're not that big. 120 meters of water resistance. Yeah, 44, 44 wide on these. Um you know, I I I think these are really cool and I'm a little sad. They only made 150 of these, uh or excuse me, five hundred pieces of each, and I think they sold out really really quickly. I do think these will show up on I do think these will show up on the secondary market and I think it's worth a look. Now, those colors, terracotta and moonstone blue, are taken from the original color codes dating back to nineteen sixty-five. So I know you take umbrage to the to the names they've used for I do. Uh but these are colors from Scouts color catalog. So um yeah I didn't really see a whole lot about this in the watch world. This is a men's journal article that we're gonna link to, which I don't think we've ever done. No, probably won't again. Um, but I just don't I don't think what the watch world really took notice of these, which is too bad. I think these is more of uh I I think they really targeted these at car people, which is fair. And they sold out, obviously. Um, but I think these are cool. I would have liked an opportunity to get one of these. Not that I'm gonna get a scot, but yeah I, I and I love Vero and the workhorse is such a cool platform to do as a collaboration watch because it's so versatile. Um and it's just fun. More, more, more workers colors is more better. Yeah. I I like the scout logo on these too. It it these aren't these aren't uh have no Vero branding on the dial. Yeah. The it's just that scout branding on the dial on these. So pr pretty cool. There will be a link. You'll be able to look at them. You can't buy one because they're sold out. Sorry. Sorry. Yeah. You had your chance and you wasted it because we didn't tell you about it. Well, it's our fault. I'm not gonna apologize. I'm not apologizing, I'm just pointing it out. Um oh, you know, I have one more. Where are we at? We are at 44 minutes. Look at us. We're doing good. The classic spirit of the Vutiany 2 one six TMZ World Time. So another Finnish watch brand. I think this is the first time we've talked about Finland twice in an episode. Certainly the first time we've done it twice. So this is a new world time model displaying the time in 24 zones. Um and honestly, I really don't care. It is one of the most gorgeous watches I've ever seen these really thin, like almost disproportionately thin lug width on on the watch. The these beautiful teardrop lugs Gyosh for days, uh lovely fonts, uh, a pretty traditional word world timer around the outside of your dial is absolutely stunning. Big open eye. Uh minute and hour hand. Just like a watch that I could just look at and drool. Look at the three, the curl on the bottom of this three o'clock marker. Uh it's concentric circles of blue geosh, blue geosh, your 24 hour white and black, and then a gray rehot with all of your different time zones throughout the world. 39 millimeter case. Um in-house designed and finished 216 TMZ hand wound movement. Finished and finish. Yeah. It's 183,000 Swiss francs. Yeah, this is not a this is not a watch. An affordable watch. This is not a watch that I'm gonna even be able allowed to look at without a bulletproof barrier between us. Yeah. But gosh. The oh mm. Mm-hmm. Mm. I just wanted to that really it's the lugs. The lugs uh do a thing to me. Look at how the the the lug like kind of shrinks down right before it m meets the case. Mm. Yeah. It it it's obviously a gorgeous watch. Um Yeah, this is the type of watch that makes me just like it not because it's bad, but because it's just like so it's just not pure unobtainium. Yeah, pure unobtanium. Um a watch that is not unobtainium is a watch from a company called Perrin who's just expanded their collection to include uh a retro chronograph So Perrin has we've talked about the Reggie automatic, I think, on this watch, which is a pretty straightforward-looking watch. Um But I, you know, I just so watch brand that I never that I don't think about all that often. Well, they've released this new one chrono. They say their marketing copy says the mission was to create a modern watch with a nod to futuristic design concepts made by designers from the past. So uh you know, the future in that like 1960s concept. The goal was to materialize the interconnection between the past and the future into a perennial product that could be relatable back to in the 70s as well as out there in 2077. So that's marketing copy, yada yada, yada. Uh what we have here really is this sort of definitely parent design uh language, this really sort of minimalistic two-dial chronograph. I think it's just really, really cool. I'm gonna I'm gonna try to uh I'm gonna try to to describe this a little bit here so what's that we've got a three piece stainless steel case coming in at 40 six 40.6 millimeters wide it's 12 millimeters thick, which for chronograph is a really good thickness. 46mm lug to lug, but there aren't any lugs. It is the bracelet connects directly um to the case, uh the the flat part of the case. We've got a flat sapphire crystal, an unmarked bezel, we've got both brushed and bead blasted finishes, and then also hand polished details on the on the bevels. Uh we've got pushers on the right side that are rectangular, and I'm a sucker for a rectangular chronograph pusher. Um and a screwdown crown with 200 meters of water resistance. The dial on this is like, I think they call it anthracite, it's sort of a matte finish with globulite markers. Um Yeah. By compact setup, these recess subdials. Those titanium Seiko motorcycle watches. The uh uh ooh shoot. You know exactly what I'm talking about. The the dial was awesome. Was canted. Was canted. Yeah, I do know what you're talking about. Uh is a jigaro. Yeah, jigaro. That's what this reminds me of. Like 80s futuristic. MechaCortz V6 VK64, limited to 1,111 numbered pieces. Um the one. I get that. Available at s at five hundred and sixty-nine francs. I haven't seen uh a US price. Seven six fifty-ish, right? Let's see if it these are available for pre-order now. Uh let's see if we can let's see if we can come up with a price. Nope, I'm not I'm not saying a price. Uh top of the page? Pre-order? Pre-order. There we go. Let's see. Done. Yep. 569 Swiss francs. So whatever that is. Hopefully the exchange rate's good. And yeah, tariffs, I don't know. But I think it's a really cool watch. I do wish with a VK64 they could have slummed it down a little bit. And I will say that one link bracelet, still not really my thing. I think the execution of it though in in this application is great. Yeah, same. I I it wouldn't look good with a three link. It wouldn't look good with any other style of bracelet. I like the combination of brushing, blasting, and polish. The roundness of the of the end of the case can kind of like transform into the bracelet almost like it's a like it's an end link is really well done. You got any more watches, Bubba? I can close the link, so I don't care. Okay, well Sacle released some hundred and forty fifth anniversary watches. They're pretty cool. They've got some really cool dials. And then some of them suck. Uh yeah. I mean I I nothing nothing that I thought was terrific, but we do have a King Seiko with a absolutely stunning dial as well as a speed tumber with a stunning dial. Yeah. Um and then yeah, well I uh this one more watch I want to talk about. The the Corona Tokyo. No, I want to talk about the Bulman Decompression O2. So this is a dive watch, but it's a dive watch unlike any other dive watch I've ever seen, which is to say this is a modern technologically science-backed Decompression watch meant to be worn in conjunction with a dive computer, as opposed to being sort of a superfluous, anachronistic all in one. So rather than rather than uh you know taking the technology from the 60s and just doing it a little bit differently. What they've done is they've taken the best science regarding safety and decompression and incorporated it into the functions of the watch. The foundations of the watch are from the work of a Swiss physician and researcher, Dr. Albert Boulman, whose decompression algorithm is sort of the standard we use for decompression charts, developed in between like in the sixties seventies and eighties at in Zurich um basically Bullman changed the way divers think about decompression and uh sea level doll diving, altitude diving. Um and this watch incorporates I I don't know enough about diving to talk about this really intelligently. So if this interests you, I I would I would tell you to go look at this watch and to read about it, especially if you know about diving, because I just don't know enough to talk about intelligently. But what I can say is this watch incorporates this twin bezel, it's a patented counter-rotating bezel system that have independent blocking. Uh one of the bezels tracks your total dive time and the other tracks your stop times. So when when you you start your dive, you set it for your depth and your time at depth. And that gives you what your decompression times are. But in addition, even after you come up, it gives you a fly no fly indicator to gauge when it's safe to fly after diving. Um I think that this watch is probably a lot of pomp, but the fact that they're going so deep into the science and the research to give you a tool, I think is really cool. I I don't know that I I don't know that there's people that are gonna really use this for what it is. I think as a redundancy though, that's a really it's an interesting consideration to say, hey, you have this thing that is objectively better, and then here's your fail-safe. That's right. And I just like the fact that they're like, this is what's actually important. Like we have these dive watches when we'll put the decompression chart on the strap and you know God speed to you. This is like, no, this is what you actually need for diving. This is the tool you actually need for diving if you if you want to have a watch that's gonna help you with these things. I don't know if you actually need that. In fact, I suspect you probably don't. Um, Salita SW300 in this in this watch, which is to say um it's got a good movement. They're making 579 pieces. These are selling for three thousand nine hundred and ninety Swiss francs through watch angels. Uh I wasn't able to quickly find a reference for uh the dimensions on this, but what I have been able to figure out is that it's big. It's uh 48 and a half millimeter case. Uh interesting, the dial has a five degree inclination on it to aim the dial towards you and kind of reflect reflect light back towards you. That is interesting. To increase legibility. And also, uh a portion of each watch sold goes to Dan Europe Medical Research Fund, uh, which is uh doing dive uh decompression science to develop algorithms for individual divers because everybody is different. It's a w it's a wild watch. It's a big old bitch too. Yeah. It I I just think it's cool. It's cool. I think it's cooler than any sort of technical dive watch we'd seen on this show. I said I don't know enough about diving to have to know all of these things. Yeah, but I don't understand why why the depth thing suddenly vanishes and then a fly no flag shows up. Well, because I think that once you come up, you're done with your dive, now they're you need to figure out is it safe to fly. Uh is that practical? I don't think so, but it's also cool. Sorry, hold the plane. Watch says I'm not ready. Okay. What's next? I'm out of things. Andrew, other things. Go. Uh, I bought a new thing. Uh I I bought a workshop precision adjust tribrasive knife sharpener. 70 bucks. Um I've seen a lot of videos of these and I've been like a whetstone sharpener guy as long as I've had knives. Uh and I've I've had different um like angle blocks that you can press and get your your precise angle along your whetstone and honestly I I've just like I don't get the Zen experience of whetstoning knives that I once did. And I don't super dig electric sharpeners. Um, I wanted something that I could just kind of mindlessly throw my knife on and sharpen, right? I've looked at the kind of like the what's the the the tumbler, the little round thing that you roll with a wedge. Um I know what you're talking about. Ultimately I I went with this and this is they have a whole line. Um and I and I'm frankly I I've had such success with this on the two knives that I put to it. I wish I would have just copped and spent the 300 bucks for the the big one. Um, because eventually I'm gonna do that. But this serves the purpose. So this is a little tabletop. It's the size of gosh, it's less than the size of a shoe box, all packaged up. It comes with a uh metal clamp and a free swinging arm that is very easily adjustable with a screw up and down to set your precise angle from um 15 to 30 degrees with each rotation being a single degree so you can have a precise controlled angle every time. The technology is interesting. So the once you set your angle and you have your blade in your clamp, it's this free swinging arm with three rotating uh hardnesses. It's a 320 320 a 600 and a ceramic that rotate and lock into place and then as long as you're swinging that arm along the blade you're holding your precise whatever angle you set it at, and as long as you can count, you can swing the arm out, rotate the knife, and then count the same amount of strokes on the other direction. And this thing is damn idiot proof. It like like I said, I don't get the zen experience of whetstoning a blade. I just wanted to sit down, sharpen it, and move on. And this is doing that. You know, the the problem with having whetston my knives is I don't know the angle I was working at. I just kind of worked it by feel. Uh so now the the two knives that I've put to it, I had to put a little bit of work to like re-get to a measured edge. And they come out good and sharp, you know, having uh a real rough, uh uh pretty fine and then a ceramic um immediately with with the first blade I put on there took a little bit of time to set the edge and then once it's set god it was easy. Sixty or s I I paid I think sixty bucks for this on Amazon. Yeah I think the Work Sharp a lot of people And it's an organ-based company. I think a lot of people come in with the Work Sharp. The price is so hard to ignore. When I when I did this process, I went with the KME, which is a little bit fancier, probably slightly better products, but I think the worksharf does the same exact thing. And you know, I think I probably paid four times you know I think I was like three hundred bucks all in for probably a pretty comparable system. So you know I think it depending on how much knife sharpening you do. Um yeah. Uh it's a it's a it's a really intriguing setup. I like it. And it sits it, it'll just box it back up, throw it under the counter, and uh you know you don't have to sharpen your knives all that often um as long as you're hitting them with steel and taking care of them. Yeah. Yeah the KME is pretty similar. It's a really similar setup. It is um uh uh you know, i it it's it's the same thing, right? You've got an adjustable sort of clamp and and a sliding set of sliding sled of cutting tools that are at an angle, it's it's the same thing. Yeah. So I I I have had good experience with it. If you're tired of whetstoning or or maybe perhaps you're somebody who's never sharpened your knives or worse yet, you you send your knives to somebody else to sharpen them. You can do it yourself. I've got another thing. Do we. I was sort of surprised when this thing came out, but I was on Amazon one night. Maybe Netflix. One of the two. And oh no, it was HBO Max. You were watching Netflix scrolling Amazon. I was on HBO Max and I saw Oh, it was a movie with Leonardo DiCaprio that I've never heard of. Oh, it's a Paul Thomas Anderson movie that I've never heard of. So turns out there's a new Paul Thomas Anderson movie. If you're at home and you're like, duh, Everett, well, I'm sorry. I feel like I'm pretty well connected and I just never heard of this thing. One battle after another. This is a 2025 movie. Uh the the description of this movie is Bob is a washed-up revolutionary who lives in a state of stoned paranoia, surviving off-grid with his spirited and self-reliant daughter, Willa. When his evil nemesis resurfaces and Willa goes missing, the former radical scrambles to find her as both father and daughter battle the consequences of their past. Uh this movie was that this had like all kinds of weird backlash and what what what weird backlash? I don't I mean I haven't watched it. I I just remember reading all kinds of articles about the the the there was there was backlash around the political themes in the in the movie. Well I'll just tell you, uh this movie was unrealistic. It's unrealistic in that it depicts liberals doing something to take the country back from the psychotic conservatives, which is just never gonna happen because liberals are feckless and never gonna do anything to save our country. But besides that, I thought it was terrific. Um, these guys are uh this is sort of a movie set in the present day but that reaches back into the nineties in a way that just felt like really satisfying for me. And Leonardo DiCaprio, I think a versatile actor, but oftentimes gets stuck into these like sort of stoic or spirited roles. He plays a total fucking nincompoop in this in the best way. And and he really nails it. Um, I just and and and the build is great and the end is great, and it's satisfying, and it's Paul Thomas Anderson. So you get this like sort of grind with a satisfying and maybe even saccharin end. Uh I was like, I just watched this thing sort of in awe the whole time. A because I hadn't heard of it, uh, which sounds like maybe I'm the only one, but you might be the only one. Uh and then and then B because it was just so well done. Um it was like a little bit scary but also like also not at all and and pretty whimsical and like fun um gosh I thought the word I I I think that the reason this movie uh w that I enjoyed part of the reason I enjoyed it so much is because it sort of came out of nowhere and I was just like to you. To me, yes, yes. Um I can't be the only one. There I I think that that there must be other people in my position here. Like a memory of it being kind of a box office flop. It must be, right? Yeah. So a hundred and top end estimate, hundred and seventy-five million dollar budget and a $205 million box office. Yes, that's that's not a big margin there. Um geez, I just loved it so much. Uh and then after I watched it, I was like, Betty, my 14-year-old daughter, let's watch There Will Be Blood. And uh she was like, Dad hated it. Uh but that's that movie. I I feel like you gotta be in a really specific headspace to enjoy because it's a very uh What's the word I'm looking for? It's kind of a heady movie. Like you you kind of have to see through what's being shown to you and told to you. You gotta be fully engaged to that movie and in a really specific mood to to sit down and and watch it. But Daniel Day Lewis in that movie is like there's it I just don't know if there's ever been a better performance. Yeah, I mean, it is for me, perhaps the best acting performance of any movie ever. I just find him captivating all the way through. And Betty hated it. She's 14, mind you. Uh, but she she's really pretty precocious and she understands that this movie is like very, very widely appreciated. And so it makes her mad that she didn't like it. And so she's like researching to try to understand what's good about it. And I'm like, God, I relate to you so much, right now as I watch her sort of grind through this process, like the the feeling of the feeling of frustration that she's not understanding this thing that so many people seem to understand and like really sort of grinding to peck through it. I was kind of impressed with her, but she m frankly just might not be life experienced enough. Yeah, well, and you know, the other thing I told her is it's not, you know, the the plot she was like, there's no plot, Dad. And I say, well, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think that's maybe the point, right? It's it it's a study of the person and the descent into madness that exists, the plot is is subtext to the character development of Daniel Plain.view And she just like makes me mad. Like I want a plot. So many, so many. I mean, that's and that's storytelling, right? In movies. So many movies are like you get the the quintessential hero's tale. And then you get these occasional movies that the tale is the hero where there isn't a plot. There's not a ton of dialogue. You're just brought along for the ride that this person is on. And it maybe doesn't mean anything. It like it it feels so real because there's nothing driving the story but for the experience. Sort of a classic, a classic fable. Anyway, one battle after another. If you haven't seen it, I recommend it. I just loved it. I I really, really enjoyed it. I thought for me, it's one of my favorite Leonardo DiCaprio performances, which is saying a lot because he's like one of my favorite actors. Um one of everyone's favorite actors. Yeah, I think he's I think he's a bit marmite, actually. I think if you are if you feel like he's marmite, you're being just contrarian. Yeah, I well, I I'm I he's one of my favorites, but I think that he's love it or hate. I think some people are just like, yeah, I don't I don't dig that. I don't know how you can see his performance in the Revenant or the Departed. Or the Departed or Django and or or even Titanic. Listen, you're just you're preaching to the choir. Like the he's just he's a he's a creep like as a person. But you know what? I don't care. He's an artist. Artists are weird. Yeah, I'm not gonna defend him. I do think he's a great actor. Phenomenal actor. Uh and this th that movie is on my on my list of things to get to um andrew what else do you want to say before he was in the Martian too bad day man hey folks thanks for joining us for this episode of 40 and 20 the, WchatClicker podcast. Do me a favor and go to our website, it's watchclicker.com. You don't need the www because it's 2026. That is where we post articles and reviews, or at least at one point we did, uh about watches and and releases and things. 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