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Tudor Gets the Ranger Right (369)

Published on Mon, 24 Nov 2025 22:29:14 -0800

Synopsis

In this episode of the 40 in 20 Watch Clicker podcast, hosts Andrew and Everett discuss recent watch releases and industry news. They start by chatting about their Thanksgiving preparations, including brining turkeys. The watch discussion begins with the Karis desk movements, Tudor's new 36mm Ranger and "Dune" colorway (which Andrew declares his favorite watch of the year), and the Nozomi Baleen dive watch. They also cover releases from AV8, Brew's collaboration with Teddy Baldassare, RZE's UTD8000 digital watch, Movado's 1917 heritage collection, Omega's redesigned Planet Ocean, and Oris's updated ProPilot. In their "other things" segment, Andrew enthusiastically recommends Dawn Power Wash for cleaning cookware, while Everett discusses Alton Brown's turkey preparation methods for Thanksgiving.

Transcript

Speaker
Andrew Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to 40 in 20, the Watch Clicker podcast with your hosts, Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here, we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, how are you?
Everett Just really crushing it. Just doing as well in life as a guy can do. Wow.
Andrew That was so positive. It almost felt sarcastic because it also just was really flat coming across.
Everett No, I'm fine. I mean, I don't know. It's, you know, the holiday week, you know, going into Thanksgiving. And so everything's just like kind of fucked. Everything's fucked. Very. Yeah. Like schedules. And we had parent-teacher conferences. I've got three middle school age kids, which is really like sort of when parent teacher conferences are like important because we kind of are disconnected and the school is important, but we're a little bit disconnected from their day to day. And so anyway, it's just like all day parent teacher conference, which was a little like, so I wasn't working already a short week. Anyway, that's how I am. I just feel a little discombobulated maybe.
Andrew Hmm. I am feeling that.
Everett It's not a bad way. I don't mind the parents. It's actually nice. Like the whole thing is good. Like it's nothing bad. I just feel like I'm just a little out of sort, out of rhythm, I think.
Andrew Yeah. Well, and the whole like putting kids out of school the whole week of Thanksgiving is trash. Kids basically don't go to public school in November and December.
Everett Yeah, I mean, there's still school, but yeah, no, I hear what you're saying. There's a lot more. There's a lot of time off. I actually don't mind it. I think it's fine, especially at these ages. I think they probably go to school more than they need to. I want my kids in school. Well, I know there's the daycare. There's the daycare aspect of it. It's pretty hard on lower income families, I think, when they're out of school as much as they are. But like for us, it doesn't make a huge, like we can accommodate it. And so that's fine.
Andrew I took this week off to be on vacation. Because you have to, yeah. I didn't realize they weren't going to be in school all week. Right, yeah. It wasn't until we ripped October big calendar off of the fridge and revealed November that I was like, wait, what the fuck? Why don't they go to school?
Everett Oh, I know. That is frustrating. Yeah. No, like I said, I think it can be a pretty big effect on people. You know, I wonder sometimes, like, how do my employees do this? You know, but, you know, it's just sort of life, I guess. You sort of figure it out. But, yeah. Yeah.
Andrew Yeah. Whatever. How are you, Andrew? I'm good. It was a nice day out, but my kids were home. So... You know, did you take them to do something? I put them outside for a while. They were outside riding bikes for a while. And then, yeah, I start I'm kind of starting my slow roll of things you can do early prep and cook for for Thanksgiving. Sure.
Everett I did put my I did put my turkey in a brine.
Andrew Mine hit the brine like four hours before yours did. Oh. Yeah. Well, there you go. I almost sent a picture of it, and I was like, this is kind of a gross-looking picture. I'm not going to send that. And then later in the day... You just got my gross picture. I got your gross picture, and I was like, glad I didn't send that. Yeah, so mine's packed in a cooler full of ice in the brine, and I left the cooler outside this time. Because the weather is sufficiently cool that I felt like it'd be fine. Ice is holding. Temperature is holding. Brine smells good. Are you going to smoke it?
Everett I don't think so. I don't think so. I'm going to talk a little bit later about how I'm going to cook my turkey. Within that, there is potentially a smoking option. I don't think I'm going to do it though. Yeah, but I'm going to save that. I don't want to spoil it. I don't want to spoil the end of the show because I know that people listen. All the way to the end so they can hear our other things. That's true. But in any event, we're not here to talk about our brining birds. We are here to talk about watches. We are. And we're going to talk about watches. I got sort of like three-fourths of the way through my research and I was like, there are no good watches. And then the last like 25% of my show prep, I was just like... banger banger banger so i think there's some cool watches that came out this week you know we might even have to pick and choose some of these aren't going to make the list i think my favorite watch of the year is among the things we're going to talk about Oh, interesting. Interesting. I think I know which one it is, but I'm going to wait. Why don't you get us started with not your favorite watch of the year.
Andrew Not my favorite watch of the year. Something really interesting and fun is the Karis Mecca 01 and Winding Push. They are these two enormous, fully functional desk movements that... Uh, are kind of reminiscent of, uh, like you go to, you go to a windup and every table's got the Miota like blown, exploded movement and, uh, resin or, uh, Miota was handing those out. Like most of the tables had a. had a sample movement that was exploded and planted in resin, or you see like an enlarged movement, but this is, you know, a desk work or a working desk movement, not a desk clock. One is hand winding and like you wind the crown and it will... It's a working movement. And then the other is a mechanic or an automatic movement where you manually wind the rotor inside this upright art installment. And I saw that and I was like, man, I really want one of these. And then... I figured they'd be in the realm of affordable, right? They're not exactly not. The hand winding is 1,000 Swiss francs and the mechanical is 3,100 Swiss francs. So...
Everett Not cheap. Not by a long shot. I think that there are, and I should have researched this, or perhaps I could even right now, but I'm not going to. I think that there are kits, like maybe laser-cut wood kits that you can put together. Obviously, these are anodized aluminum, and they're gorgeous. But I think that maybe this is achievable with a little less... Coolness? Coolness. Yes. No, I want the coolness. Well, okay, fair enough. So get out your checkbook.
Andrew How much petty cash do you have lying around?
Everett Enough for you to get one of these. Sounded like a commitment. It sure wasn't. Oh, okay. It sure wasn't. You know, we have to keep a lot of petty cash around. Cause there are like things that come up where we're like, I need $7,000. Is that like, it happens often. Like I would say, you know, once a month there's some, like I need, I need a thousand dollars of cash or more. It's crazy. Yeah.
Andrew I have questions. It's not, not us the show just to be super clear. Yeah. Yeah. That's right.
Everett This is my law firm and not.
Andrew Yeah.
Everett That's a, it's a, And also there is a safe. You can't get that money if you want it to.
Andrew Well, there's nothing in the safe. The safe is the decoy.
Everett It's a decoy safe. No, these are cool. They're beautiful, too. I actually, I think I prefer the hand-wound version for a couple reasons. One, I don't really, that big rotor just seems cumbersome and weird, and also it just doesn't look as good.
Andrew The big-ass crown to wind looks really cool.
Everett Yeah. Yeah, I think that the hand-wound version of these is cooler. Agreed. Is the hand-wound less expensive? Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting. You know, obviously, you've got to have a... Yeah, the hand-on is cooler.
Andrew I don't understand why the auto is twice or thrice expensive.
Everett It must be something about the... Is it keyless? No, it doesn't have a keyless. It must be something about the automatic. I don't know. Yeah, this is fun, Andrew. This is fun. And if you are looking for an expensive and very cool gift for someone you love, I think these are like... I mean, it's a lot of money, right? But if you're looking like... You're like, I want to buy a $1,000 or a $1,500 something or the other for the watch life or in my life. What watch should I get? I might say... I think you skip the watch and you go for one of these. I mean, honestly, if someone got me this as a gift, I would be like, holy shit, that's cool.
Andrew Yeah, I think I might be more excited about this than... A watch at the same price point. Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
Everett Especially as a gift, right? Yeah. I'm going to start with a watch. I'm going to start with a watch that I think was sort of the headliner for the week. Tudor, our friends at Tudor. released a 36 millimeter version of the Ranger this week. When the Tudor Ranger came out a few years back, it came out in 39.
Andrew Well, they discontinued it and then re-released it in 39 because it was at like a 41, I think.
Everett And I think when it came out in 39, there was sort of universal applause at the size. However, they brought it back in sort of its, like, historic... They sort of... It's not a repro, but it's got a little bit of a historic vibe to it. It feels older. And I think that there was just, like, sort of in the background, like... A grumble, you know, should be 36, you know, blah, blah, blah. Historical accuracy. And I think it probably took Tudor about two years longer to release a 36 than I would have predicted. At any time in the last couple of years, if you'd have asked me, is Tudor going to release a 36, I'd have said, it's this season. It's coming.
Andrew Because they have every other watch in every single size. And so...
Everett Here we go. We get a 36 millimeter Ranger. And Tudor does a thing often, which is to say that they keep their watches proportional. So this has 19 millimeter lugs. It's got an 11 millimeter thickness. The 11 millimeter thickness is the thing that... Irritates me. And it's not because I don't want an 11 millimeter thick Ranger. I do. It's because it tells me that there's no reason for the 39 millimeter to be 12 millimeters thick. And... It bothers me that you would make a 12 millimeter watch when you can make an 11 millimeter watch. They've decided the proportions are great, I guess. I think they get this down to 10 or below with 100 meters of water resistance. So these are 100-meter watches. For the 36, we've got an MT5400. For the 39, we still have the MT5402. These are both COSC-certified Kinesi movements. They are 70 hours. They're virtually identical. The 5400 is slightly smaller, which it's otherwise an identically specced movement. I am burying the lead just a little bit because in releasing the 36 millimeter Ranger Tudor also released in both sizes a what they're calling dune white version of the Ranger. Yeah. I'm fine with dune. I'm fine with the color. I'm not fine with calling this white.
Andrew No.
Everett Uh, I mean, I'm fine with it. I don't really care, but it's certainly not white. It just seems like a misnomer. Um,
Andrew Yeah, there's a Dune Ranger now, and it looks great. That's my favorite watch release of the year. This will be my next watch. Oh. This Dune color is phenomenal.
Everett This is not what I expected it to be.
Andrew The way the black pops on it is terrific. The Ranger was always a watch that was kind of on and off my radar because the size was just not quite right. In the previous iteration, not the newest, the 39 release, but in that 41, I was like, ah, that's just not for me. When it came out in 39, I was like, sweet, Tudor's doing it. We're gonna see some size segmentation. It did not happen until now, and they are doing it in this dune color that's just absolutely fire. I will be getting one of these.
Everett Well, Andrew, I did not mean to steal your thunder. I thought you were going to talk about a different watch when you said that. Yeah, no, I'm maybe a little less excited than you are, but I'm with you. This is a fantastic release.
Andrew Because the Black Bay 36, it's kind of like in the zone for me. This is better.
Everett I think the Ranger is the best Tudor you can buy today. It's for me. I know everybody loves a Black Bay. I think this or the Black Bay Pro, one of those two is the best Tudor you can buy right now. The Black Bay Pro. I think the Pelagos has to be in that conversation.
Andrew You know what? That's a fair. It's kind of an aside, right? Though it's a bit of an outlier in their general catalog. Yeah, this is a great watch. Because I'm not a big fan of the Pelagos 39. I forget. The one time I tried it on, I was like, ah, this just isn't quite, it doesn't feel right. Yeah, it's a black bag.
Everett It's a titanium black bag. Yeah. Yeah, the Pelagos is something. And the Pelagos FXD, I think, is sort of that as well. But anyway, this watch, so you're looking at €31.60 on the green fabric strap or... $34.90 on the bracelet for $36, and it's just like another $100. $3,700 U.S. money on a bracelet. There you go. There you go. So, I mean, really affordable. I think secondary market, you're looking at... Oh, you'll get these at $25, $28, I bet, in like new.
Andrew Yeah, maybe around that.
Everett Yeah, these are terrific. Cusk certified. Great, great, great.
Andrew The black with the faux Tina loom, I'm not really, really jacked on. Yeah, well, it's always kind of been that way. But this kind of sand duney, yellow, white.
Everett It slaps. Slaps it does. I agree with you. You know what I wish Tudor would come back out with? Is a North Flag. I really wish Tudor would come back, but I want it integrated. I want a real Tudor North Flag. I could just go buy a Tudor North Flag, obviously. Now I'm curious what you thought my favorite was going to be. Oh, do you want to try to guess it? I was going to... I mean, I was fine with it, but I was also going to be like, meh.
Andrew Oh, did you think that I was going to go with the Baleen, the Nozomi Baleen release? No. No. In fact, we'll just talk about it. So Nozomi is a brand that we have long really liked, like since some of the earliest episodes of the show. The Stockholm-based brand doing vintage-inspired and really thoughtfully designed watches is has done a new release of their Baleen dive watch. And it's killer. It does have Fotina, which is a little bit of a bummer for me. But everything they churn out is just good. So it's a 40mm case. The bezel is actually at 39mm, just to kind of compact the top-down view of that watch. 12.1 thick, 47 lug-to-lug. These are... hundred meter water resistance. Hang on. I got to verify that, but a hundred meters of water resistance on a Mito 90 39 movement. The, uh, these are 200, 200 meters of water resistance. Um, and this is good. 695 euros on, uh, a steel five link, just a really good vintage inspired dive watch.
Everett And they give you sort of, um, like a slab-sided upright diver on the side profile, but then with the Bombay lugs and that reduced-size bezel, you get really sort of a dynamic, flowing appearance from the top, full loom on the bezel. I don't know if you said that, Andrew, and I apologize if you did. But yeah, no, Nozomi is such a weird brand because we just don't talk about them very much. They're using 9039. which I think they're well acquainted with. They're well acquainted with the Miyota movements. Good handset, good fonts, great fonts. Nozomi's always done a good job with fonts.
Andrew Yeah, and it's slimmer. So this new case is a full millimeter thinner than previous editions, which is a huge improvement. Yeah, because we're still at like 13, right? We're only 12.
Everett Oh, that's actually a really good thing.
Andrew For a two-meter dive watch?
Everett That's a good dimension. Yeah. And pretty easy to do with the Miyota movement. And the price is right, too, right? Like $750. Yeah. U.S. or thereabouts. No, that's not. No, Andrew, the watch I thought that you were going to select for your watch of the year is a watch by Aviate. Aviate came out with a watch this week, and it looks different than any watch Aviate's ever released. But it looks like some other watches. Well... But also doesn't. Yeah. Actually, I don't think... I mean, we made a joke. We were joking about how the design language of this watch sort of, you know, evocative of... Notice was the brand, I think, that we all kind of say, oh, this has got some Notice vibes in there, which is not a bad thing, right? No, no, no, no. The story of this watch is that... av8 came to warn and wound warn and wound has what they call their exec their creative services branch and av8 hired warn and wound to find a sort of a gap in the market and help av8 design a watch to fill that gap now That is the legend. And I'm just going to say, I don't see that there was a gap in this market. No. I don't. And so maybe the communication has failed a little bit in that regard as to exactly what gap they were trying to fill. Now, that is not the same as me saying I don't like this watch because I do. What this is, is they're calling it a field watch. I would say it is, which is odd for Aviate. With that said, it is very much a pilot inspired field watch. It's got these really crispy markers. It has a... an interesting rubber strap that it comes with which is sort of a uh integrated rubber it's not an integrated watch with that said the rubber folds around yeah a fitted rubber um They're calling this the, oh, what is it? It's the CVRT 3775A. Which I think stands for, can these lugs be any longer? It stands for, CVRT is covert. Oh. And 3775 is 37.75 millimeters. A, I assume, means Arabic numerals. A naming convention that actually makes sense. It doesn't. It is. The real magic happens on the side profile of the case. So we've got these lugs that angle down sharply. We've got a great PVD black knurled bezel. that sits on top of a beautiful non-PVD mid-case. From the top down, it does appear to have very long lugs. However... If you measure them along the X axis, I don't, or the, would that be the Y axis? I don't believe that they're actually that long.
Andrew No, they're not. It's because of the shape of the lugs that they grab light and push it out and away. And this fitted rubber strap.
Everett And they are long.
Andrew Creates an illusion that they're much longer than they actually are.
Everett Um, we've got a four o'clock bezel and a four 30 date, which is all a little weird. Uh, with that said, I really think that they've nailed it. We do have a lot of polish for a field watch, a great handset. Great loom, fully loomed. All of the markers are loomed, which includes cardinal Arabic numerals and sort of wedge batons at the non-cardinals. We've got a raised minute track. I am, I'm good with this watch. I think it is a really, I think it is a really lovely watch. Um, and, and it's affordable. They're using an NH movement or 90, 15 Miona movement. We're $450. Yeah. On this 11 millimeters thick. including the crystal, you know, sapphire. We've got all the things. And it's a pretty attractive watch.
Andrew It really is. I first saw it and, number one, could not believe that it came from AV8 because it doesn't make sense in the AV8 landscape. That's all historic aircraft-inspired watches. And this is a modern tool watch. This looks like micro mil spec. This looks like notice. This looks like not, you know, not, it doesn't look like micro mil spec, right? But it looks like that ilk. It looks like marathon. It looks like these modern, It doesn't look like fucking AV8.
Everett No. No. I think that's what you're trying to say. Yeah. Like everything we hate about AV8, we don't, I don't hate anything about it, but everything I dislike about AV8 is absent.
Andrew Yeah. Everything that would cause me, that has caused me to not buy one of their watches, though I like them. Just maximalist texture. And this is, this is, none of those things exist here. I would, I might. I would buy this watch. And I'd really like wearing it, too. It's a really handsome watch. Yeah.
Everett Yeah, it's cool. It's a cool watch. I mean, I think this is the kind of watch, like, someone's going to see this and be like, that's cool, and I want to buy it, and they're going to buy it and enjoy the shit out of it.
Andrew That's my guess. Yeah, it's $450. That's right. You're not taking that big of a flyer on this. Yeah, the price is really great.
Everett So I thought that was going to be your watch of the year, Andrew. I thought that, you know, you had spent the week with it and you were like... We don't have one of these in person, just so... Sure. I just mean, like, you'd spent the week with the idea of it.
Andrew No, actually, I hadn't thought about it since I opened up this link and pinned it to talk about. What's next? Oh, shoot. Oh, I want to talk about the Brew and Teddy Baldessare collaboration. I think it's Baldessar. There's an E at the end. You're not wrong. The Teddy Watch. So this is a brew metric with just a couple little tweaks. So we have a signed case back with just brew and teddy on the case back. It's still a VK 68 mega quartz movement. I want to find the little tweaks that he did. He changed the hands on the chronograph and just a little slight tweak of the color. This is good. It reads like a brew. It looks like a brew, but it's Teddy's interpretation of a brew. I think these are the best collaborations that are like, hey, In an individual collaboration, right? Like, hey, I kind of like this colorway. Can you make it for me? And other people are going to like it too. And... Yeah, just a banger. I love brew. I recommended brew to a colleague the other day at work. Her kids are graduating grad school, and she's like, I want to get him a watch. And I was like, well, how much do you think about spending? She's like, how much can I spend? How much can you spend? Have you heard of Gerald Genta? She's like, well, how much does the last watch you bought cost? I was like, you don't want the answer to that question. Like under or over a thousand? She's like under. Okay. All right. So now we're in the ballpark. And I was like, I think you should think about brew, uh, you know, 500 ish bucks for all their watches. They're attractive. They like, they run, they look good. I also recommended the PRX. I just can't not.
Everett It's hard. It's hard not to. I mean, really it is. I think it's probably like the college grad watch of, uh, The last five years.
Andrew Yeah, that's right. And a Soyosa and the new 38s.
Everett No, this is attractive. It's attractive. I sort of have a gut reaction to...
Andrew A watch like this. Well, the first picture I saw of it wasn't of the dial. It was the case back.
Unknown I was like, what?
Andrew Why? And then I had to read about it, which was annoying. I was like, wait, just explain this. Oh, there we go.
Everett You think it was annoying that I sent just the case back? That was the first picture I saw of it. You sent that, yeah. I mean, it's cool. And Teddy obviously has a really interesting relationship with... I think sort of watch enthusiasts of our generation, right? You know, he's gone from being a, you know, a content creator to something much bigger, right? You know, storefronts and... selling watches and he's really sort of locked in the space in some ways. So I've never probably thought, oh, he's just my favorite content creator or I need to buy watches from Teddy, but that's maybe just not how I operate. He's clearly in some ways encapsulates the voice of that generation of watch enthusiasts, I think. Yeah, I think so. Yeah. It's cool. It was a surprise to me that it's his first collaboration. I was surprised by that too.
Unknown Yeah.
Everett But cool. I mean, it's objectively a cool watch. RZE. RZE released a one-off of their really, really cool UTD8000. This is the UTD8000CKG, which is a green Cerakote case UTD with a black PVD bezel. and an amber display. And I saw this thing and I was like, oh shit. This is maybe my favorite UTD that's come out at this point. So the UTD obviously is RZ's digital G-Shock-ish watch that they released last year, which was just been a hit in part because of the material titanium and the really realistic... price point that they're selling these at you know down right 250 or 300 i think 340 bucks well this one's 340 bucks but that's a premium on the regular which i think off like without the bracelet it's only 250 bucks or something like that um this one of course does not come with a bracelet and i and actually i think none of them come with a bracelet you have to buy the bracelet separate i think it's like 250 or 200 i think i like this on this canvas like this padded canvas yeah Yeah, so there's no Cerakoted bracelet that you could get for this, at least as far as I know. So you'd either have to wear this on a regular titanium bracelet, which would probably look really weird, or on the canvas strap that they sell it on, and it looks great on the canvas strap. But this watch, just with that green, that really dark green, like sort of a dark drab, uh sarah code and that black and then the amber shit man they like this thing for being just sort of like color and and then you also have an orange ring in between the bezel and the case to match that amber or to sort of complement that amber great great great execution of color on this
Andrew I really like seeing small brands dabble with digital in a not bullshit way. It's not to say that Farnsuit doing the A side and B side is bullshit, but it's fun, digital, inexpensive, fun stuff. This is a legit watch. Yeah.
Everett That's awesome. They're coming in Toyo toolboxes, too. I mean, they're just really nailing all the small stuff. And they're doing it for such a good price. Yeah, this thing's terrific.
Andrew I like it. That's a good pick. I also picked it. But I talked about it. Mm-hmm. You've kind of been usurping me. Oh, I know what I'm going to talk about. Mark II and Project Recover have teamed up for a Hellion Baku tribute watch. So Mark II famously... does a lot of World War II and later inspired military watches, and has teamed up with an organization called Project Recover for this special edition watch. Now, Project Recover is an organization that uses all of their time and resources to locate and repatriate the remains of fallen American service members throughout the world. This watch is... It's kind of an interesting, what's their, they're calling it the, it's a blend of the World War II issued canteen watch and an A11. It's just a very classic black dial, white markers watch. white numerals, World War II-inspired watch. But it bears the... I want to make sure I get this right. So it bears the names of members of UDT-10 on the case back. And this is coming in two editions. First edition is... the watch only. It's the standard package. And then the premium package, or it's not the watch only, it's the watch and the box and the packaging materials. The premium edition is coming with a hat, a challenge coin, some other swag to go along with it. And this is flat rate donations toward Project Recover with the purchase of your watch. I think it's a really cool organization to be partnering with Mark II and a cool watch also.
Everett Good transparency from Bill too on... You know, if you get the upgraded package, he's going to give $80. He donates, you know, it includes an $80 donation. It's just good transparency and obviously a really cool program and a cool watch. You know, all of that to say nothing of the watch, right? It's a really good looking watch.
Andrew It is. It's a 39 millimeter, 13.5 thick, brushed 316L, 100 meters of water resistance, coming on a Haviston strap. Just a really attractive watch. Tool watch.
Everett Yeah. Concur. I think I'm going to talk about a watch that we've never, I don't think we've ever talked about this brand on the show. I could be wrong. And if you want to go back and listen to early episodes and at me, I actually don't even think if we have talked about this, the episodes that we would have taught, this would have been in the first year of the show. And I don't think you can get those episodes anymore. They're all gone. We still have them, but they're not available. Movado. Have we ever talked about Movado? So for me, for me.
Andrew I think we've referenced it. I don't know if we've ever talked about a Movado watch.
Everett For me, when someone says to me, oh, yeah, I'm kind of into watches. Yeah, I've got, you know what? I've got a really nice watch and I can never remember the name of it. What is it? It's a Movado. It's Movado. Always. You've got a Movado museum that someone bought you at a shopping mall circa 2008. And it's, I'm sure, lovely. know I I'm Movado I think a little bit like perhaps Raymond Weil or or maybe some other brands right has we kind of know it for a thing that just by way of the thing we've naturally denigrated it in the space with that said Movado has this really really excellent history in watches they're a very old brand And they've been doing watches for forever. And they just released, I say really old. I think that they're like a late 19th century brand, which is not really old in watches, but it's pretty old. I just hate all of their watches. I'm scrolling their catalog right now. I don't hate this watch, which is the reason I'm going to talk about it. So Movado has released... a watch that they're calling the 1917 heritage collection. And on paper, I believe that they've released this watch in two sizes, which are too big and too small. Uh, well, But that's okay. We'll come back to that. What this is is a stepped bezel, square dialed, and square cased sport watch. I think very, very reminiscent of a Santos case.
Unknown Mm-hmm.
Everett which I don't think is unfair. And they've lined these up with some excellent fonts and some excellent dials. Working with Tyrese Halliburton, I guess, as their spokesperson for this watch. They've released some marketing. Tyrese Halliburton, obviously not a tiny fellow. And he wears the 45 millimeter version of this watch very well. It still looks a little big on him. I will say he wears this watch very well. So they have this in two sizes. They've got this in a 34.1 and then a 45.2. I think, so it's a square watch, which is to say it should. We're a little bigger than it says. However, the Hodinkee article that we're going to link to. Tim Jeffries says the 34 really wears too small. And the 45 wears really well on his wrist. So who knows? Obviously, if you're going to buy one of these, you're going to need to try them on. But I thought, you know what? This is a really, really lovely watch. So this harkens back to pre-museum Movado. They're selling these in... sunburst with sunburst dials, all stainless steel. Um, they're coming with Salida movements with exhibition case backs. Not sure it needs that. Um, we've got great tapering, uh, solid link bracelets that come on these. Um, And they look great. So if you want one of these on a bracelet, it's gonna run you like $1,500, $1,600, or I guess $1,700. And I want to try one on. I'm not going to buy one of these without trying one on. I think the 34 probably wears really great. In paper, on paper, that would be the one that I would tend to. But in seeing the pictures, I'm thinking it might be too small. I don't think so. The Santos is 35.
Andrew The Santos Medium is 35. And that was great. It is fantastic. I just looked up, I had to reference it. They've gone up in price. $7,700 right now from Cartier. Yeah, Santa's expensive, yeah.
Everett Everything's getting more expensive.
Andrew Yeah. I think this case shape, I think that 34 would wear really, really good.
Everett And obviously, you know, we don't know. So if you're interested in this...
Andrew Really interesting crown guard.
Everett Take a look. Like a little faux crown guard. Yeah, you know, the Cubitus came out this last year. And this is not dissimilar to that. Although I think this has got a case that's a lot more reminiscent of the Santos than the Cubitus. But it does seem like we're going to see... Some square watches. I like the blue. It's a gorgeous blue. The sunburst on that blue is terrific. I really like the IP gold bezel with the gray.
Andrew If they had two-toned with the bracelet too, I think I would be a little bit more on board with that. I don't know how you two tone it because it's just flat links, but, and I think these need a better movement too.
Everett So they've got the slate of 200, which is fine, but I think that for a watch that's hanging out in this, uh,
Andrew Under $2,000, $200 is fine.
Everett Now, I will say the historical reference on these has Breguet numerals, big oversized Breguet numerals. And man, oh, man, if that was what we got here. That would have been a better choice. And these, like, great syringe heads. We didn't get that, so we won't talk about it. Maybe next time. Maybe next time. I think this is a cool release from Movado. I'm a fan of this.
Andrew i i i also am that original release had to be like a 32 yeah a little yeah it's a little guy little little big tank guy no no crown guards on it though yeah what's next oh next up for me uh what do we have for time here okay we're doing good all right uh Omega, fourth-gen Planet Ocean, and it's new everything. New bracelet, new case diameter, or new case size, great colors, and I'm for it, right? It's a Planet Ocean. It's an iterative release. They've included in it their new... Got you on here. The new coaxial 8912 movement, 60 hours of power reserve. Chronometer movement. It's the silicon balance spring coax movement. It's their thing. And I like it. It's not for me. But I like all of the upgrades. I don't think I've ever handled a Planet Ocean. And looking at these photos, I feel like I want to just wear one for a couple days and then give it back. The black dial, orange accent, cardinals with the orange bezel is terrific. 600 meters of water resistance. This doesn't look like Omega in my mind. Like when I think about the Omega as a brand, the Planet Ocean never comes to mind. Ever. Like I forget about it. How come? I don't know. I think maybe because it's so out of the... It's just so different from everything else that I associate with Omega. First thing comes to mind when I think about Omega is the Speedmaster, immediately followed by the Aqua Terra, Seamaster Pro, and then...
Everett Nothing. Well, you know, what's interesting to me is the Planet Ocean has always, in my view, the Planet Ocean has always looked very much like a sort of beefy SMP, right? The SMP is pretty beefy as it is. We've got Bombay Lugs. And so there was always this genetic connection between the two. These are cousins, certainly. Well, this I really think... puts that all out the window because this has nothing to do with the SMP. I mean, there's no similarity between this and from what I can tell, any Omega watch that's ever been released. This is not, you know... Looking back, you've got this genetic lineage in Omega's dive watches going back to the 1964 Seamasters where you can kind of trace the development... This is a hard right turn, which is not to say I don't like it, because I do. However, this is the most Japanese watch that Omega, I believe, has ever released.
Andrew Look at all these angles on the lug and the end link. Very, very, very angular. On this guy. Four, five, six, seven. There's seven bevels on the lug.
Everett And bless their hearts. Omega has taken the planet ocean from a 16 millimeter deep sea bullshit to a 42 by 13.79 millimeter watch. So still with all the water resistance. 600 meters. we've gotten a full almost two and a half a full two almost two and a half millimeters off of the thickness um golly i think that this is really cool we have an orange ceramic bezel which is more expensive because orange ceramics more expensive to produce like you said we've got a coaxial movement in an under 14 millimeter case we've got tapering bracelets which is in my mind terrific a really good looking bracelet too i'm just gonna say for me uh i think this is the best omega bracelet i remember seeing uh the end link is
Andrew Yes.
Everett At least in the pictures. Fully milled end link, female connection. I am really high on this release. And when I first saw it, my nose rankled like this. Just a little bit. And then I started looking and I was like, nope, I'm wrong. This is excellent. I think that this is Omega's best release in... It's their best non-Speedmaster release in a decade, I think. I can't think of anything that Omega's released non-Speedmaster that I like better than this in a very, very long time. When was the last time Omega released something new? They release new shit all the time. No, they don't. They just bedazzle it. And it's all fucking dumb. This, not dumb. This is really well done. It's a cool upgrade. And it's not cheap. It's a $10,000 watch.
Andrew Yeah.
Everett But I feel like you're getting, like this is a real move forward. It's terrific. It's not bedazzled.
Andrew Yeah, an actual move forward. They've improved the technology. They've improved the size. They've just improved everything and not been lazy about it. They didn't just put diamonds on it.
Everett I'm, I'm a big fan. I'm a big fan of this watch. It doesn't feel quite like an Omega with that said, um, With that said, I think it will quickly become an Omega. It feels a little ploprophy to me. Yeah, a little bit. There's obviously, you don't have all the ploprof accoutrement, but it feels a little ploprophy to me. This is a cool watch, man. I think Omega's headed out of the park on this. Was that your watch? It was. I picked it. That means I have to go? It is now your turn. Well, I think then I'm going to talk about this, and we'll just make this the last watch, unless you have something else you want to talk about. Oris has updated their ProPilot date collection. Really, what we're seeing is more of the same with just slight tweaks. um obviously the pro pilot is a flagship for oris and they do a really really excellent watch with a lot of sort of hallmarks of oris's design including their sort of like bladed bezel and just case shape and dial language um But all sort of delivered in this like really straightforward, no-nonsense package, which is interesting for being such a sort of, I don't know, whimsical is not the right word, but it's a little bit of a... think a little bit of a whimsical so this is a 41 millimeter diameter with slightly uh slightly tweaked dimensions we are now down to 11.7 millimeters thick on this and a slightly shorter 49 millimeter lug to lug We've got fully satin brushed case, which is not different. But we have a little bit less flash on the case. It's got a little bit more of an industrial looking case. We've got 100 meters of water resistance. And we've got really, really, really phenomenal dial colors. We've got a black chalk or moss colored dial. Now these are all textured and I think I'm sort of on record as not being big fan of sand textured dial. With that said, the texture on these dials are, It's really good. Really, really good. On that light gray. That's right. It's phenomenal. We've got a brushed steel Arabic numerals all the way around except for the six because these are ProPilot dates and we have a date at six. That's a good date window too. Yes. Yeah, it is good. Yeah, like the really shallow bevels. Yeah, rather than a framing, they've framed it with like a true frame, like a beveled frame. A raised minute track that has little bump outs at the hour markers, which gives it some like nice dimension. This winds up being just a pro pilot, but I feel like the upgrade is, the upgrades are really, really nice to take this from. a good watch to maybe a really good watch. We still of course have their airplane seat buckle. clasp which is cool and turns out works fairly well um great end link on this female end link which really works well with the case the integration of the end link to the case is excellent uh some people wear this on a strap and in fact that you can get this on a strap if you'd like i think that is just a terrible choice Just a really, really bad choice. You're going to get black hands if you get this on the olive or the white dial. We get steel hands on the black dial. I think the olive should also have steel-colored hands, silver hands, but alas, I'm not the one who gets to make these decisions. The chalk version with the black hands is great. Yeah, and that makes sense. But that olive dial... I think they could have gone with silver hands on the olive dial.
Andrew I'm having trouble. I'm looking at a few different pictures of the black dial with steel hands, and they're not polished enough. They're brushed, so you kind of lose them in the dial.
Everett Yeah, well, I think that they're brushed for light reflection to keep them from getting lost in the light. lose it on the dial or the lack of light, whatever. But these are great. This is a really good, this is a really good sort of. It's a good upgrade. Upgrade to an already pretty cool watch. These things, I think they come in at like 2,500 bucks.
Andrew That sounds right. Hang on. We're almost there. Yeah, 2,150 Swiss francs. Yeah. So 2,500-ish bucks.
Everett I think that's about how much you pay for with these. Yeah. You can still get an X400 at 39 millimeters, which wears really, really well. This is slightly bigger.
Andrew Yeah. I wish just one person in the world didn't have Oris. I think I would probably like Oris. One dude ruined it. Distaste.
Everett Andrew, did you have any more watches you want to talk about?
Andrew I already closed the links.
Everett In that case, I'll just ask you other things. What do you got? Oh, I have the dumbest other thing.
Andrew Just the dumbest. Okay. So... You get ads when you're watching streaming now because, you know, they got to pay for things. Such is life. One of the ads that I was rudely interrupted. So I see this ad for this product and I'm at the grocery store and I see it. I'm like, you know what? Let's take the flyer. So the thing is Dawn Power Wash. And I've been seeing ads for it since the product came out. And I'm a Dawn soap user because Dawn is the best dish soap. If you're buying anything else, I don't really know what's wrong with you. But your dishes are still probably a little dirty. So anyway, I'm at the store and I see it and I'm like, eh, whatever. Worst case scenario, it's just a spray bottle of soap. This shit is like paint thinner. It is terrific. And I'm talking like immediate. Like, you know, you have those glass like cake pans that you use to roast vegetables in. You just get kind of like crusties on it or like some burnt oil. Sure. And then you inevitably forget it in your oven for a couple days and it's like really on there. You just and hit it with the sprayer and it is immediate acting. It is the stupidest because it smells like damn near paint thinner. Like it still smells like Dawn, but I'm like, hmm, this is some hyped up Dawn that we're working with. So I don't know if it's the chemical composition of it or maybe the force of the spray or just perhaps the way it's like coming out already in a foaming, already foamed up. So you're getting immediate cleaning action. Yeah. This is the dumbest other thing I've ever done. But I took this, I just grabbed a bottle of it. And I'm like, I'm never going to be without this again. Game changer in the way of doing like cookware dishes.
Everett So there is a, you can find recipes of these online. It looks like it is Dawn with isopropyl alcohol.
Andrew It probably is. I mean, I don't know. I didn't do any research into it. I bought the thing and I'm going to be buying refills for it. I love that. It's terrific. I love that. My cookware is so much cleaner.
Everett It's funny. It's not something I've ever tried.
Andrew No, because why would you? Because you have soap and a sponge.
Everett Yeah, I mean, it just seemed like sort of gimmicky.
Andrew It is not. You're suggesting... I'm saying it's worth the... I don't know how much it is. It's worth the risk.
Everett Well, I mean, it's the same as... It's the same price as everything else, right? I need something for my stovetop. I feel like the stovetop never gets as clean as I want it to.
Andrew I use the glass stovetop cleaner. Because I'm a glass top.
Everett Yeah, I don't have a glass top. I've got, you know, a gas with...
Andrew grill and so inevitably you get stuff that gets down on the enamel and it just sort of like I can never get my I can never get my like my metal gas grates thoroughly clean sure because of glass top gas range and those the grates never seem to get clean
Everett Oven cleaning problems. Well, I'm going to use some of your Dawn Power Wash on my oven. Highly recommend. Andrew, I've got another thing. Do me. So Alton Brown is, I would say, sort of the turkey czar of America. I'm going to make that claim. Going back to 2001 when Alton Brown was... Am I saying it in a way you don't like? It's his name. What did you say? Alton. What am I saying? Alton. Alton Brown. When he was editing and writing Good Eats, he introduced... The brine, the turkey brine to America. And if you don't realize this, Alton Brown changed the way we cooked turkeys in America in 2001. All of a sudden, everybody you know brines their turkey. And we all do it because of Alton Brown. Home Depot runs out of Igloo Gatorade containers in November because of Alton Brown. And then a few years later, he introduces the world to deep frying turkey.
Andrew And burned down half of middle America.
Everett And burns down half of middle America. And then and then a few years later, he really he certainly didn't invent spatchcocking, but really was responsible. His articles and videos responsible for half of everybody, you know, doing a dry brine and a spatchcocked turkey. We just Alton Brown is the single human who has changed in the last quarter of a century the way we do turkeys for Thanksgiving. Used to be everybody cooked their turkey the same way, which was just dry and crispy skin, stuffed and dressed. Anyway. Alton Brown released a new video just this last week. And I believe the video is titled, I'm Back. Or at least that's what the thumbnail is. But he is episode one of Alton Brown Cooks Food, his new series. And he goes back and revisits that original... brined turkey recipe with 24 years now of experience and it's He's a little bit of a dick, and he's a little bit pompous in this video. With that said, it's charming. He kind of always is. I know. Yes, that's right. It's charming, and it's Alton Brown in the way that you want him to be, and it's a cute video. But he's also really practical about, here's how I do things. Here's how I make the gravy. Start thinking about your gravy before... An hour before, you know, everybody waits till the end and they cook their gravy with the drippings. No, no. Here's what you're going to do. You're going to cut up carrots and onions and celery and you're going to put them in the bottom of your roasting pan and you're going to collect those drippings in those vegetables. And then you're going to strain those and use that for your, like, it's just little things. So I am going to follow this recipe. uh i either exactly it's not a recipe it's just a method i'm either going to follow this method exactly or there's a two-stage cook so he does a browning stage and then he puts a hat on the on the breast of the turkey and does a cooking stage i may do a brown At 500 degrees in my oven and then cook on my Kamado at 350 to do the cooking phase, which would incorporate some smoke into the turkey. So I haven't decided. I haven't decided.
Andrew I have for...
Everett years i may do that so and i would it would be pretty much perfect if i put it in to brown for 30 minutes at 500 got my kamado ready at that point got it to 350 slap that guy in there i think i'd have enough space to do it too so i i haven't decided yet But there is a possibility that that's what I'm going to do. Or I'm just going to cook it in the oven. But no stuffing. I don't stuff it. He's a big proponent of it. Oh, I put like lemons and herbs into stuff. He says don't even do that because it lowers the temperature of the turkey and increases the risk that you're going to dry it out. But he also wraps it with twine. So he's got his method for trusting it. So it'll be the first time I've done a brine turkey. It'll be the first time I have followed anything other than the old method. But yeah, my other thing for the week is Alton Brown's... original method as restated by alton brown in 2025 for our thanksgiving season so the turkeys are of america self-proclaimed no actually everett proclaimed turkeys are america's newest turkey video i uh i weave together a bacon blanket and put it on top of my turkey i love that idea and i also hate it why because it's like it's it's extra I'm going to do, I'm not going to do extra.
Andrew Well then, so that's why like during my early cook and then when I crank the heat to brown everything, I pull the bacon blanket and then the bacon blanket gets broken up and added into like a vegetable thing.
Everett So that's the other thing he does. He browns in the first part and then covers. And then covers, which is interesting.
Andrew Because he's working at a higher temperature. I'm going to hang out at like 250 for four hours and then... I'm going to start at 500, I think, and then... Well, I'm going to follow his method.
Everett I'm interested. Have you ever deep fried a turkey? I've never have. No. I probably wouldn't either.
Andrew It's just not... I've had deep fried turkey and it's not... It's like... It's novel. Oh, neat. I mean, I've had a deep fried turkey leg. I like smoking it. I think you get, it's hard to dry out a turkey at 250 degrees.
Everett Harder, certainly, right? Andrew, do you have anything that you feel like you have to say to these folks before we let them go for? I don't. Have a happy Thanksgiving. Have a happy Thanksgiving, folks. Yeah, I agree. I'll second Andrew's wishes. Hey folks, thanks for joining us for this episode of 40 in 20, the Watch Clicker podcast. Do me a favor and go to our website. That's watchclicker.com. That's where we post articles and reviews and other written things. If you want to follow us on social media, you can do that on Instagram at 40 in 20 underscore Watch Clicker or at Watch Clicker. That's where we post photographs and other updates about things we might be doing on the website or on the podcast. If you want to support us, then oh boy, we hope you do. You can do that at patreon.com slash 40 and 20. There's a bunch of you that give us just a little bit of money. And without you, we would not be able to keep this thing going because hosting is really expensive. If you want to support us, go check it out. Patreon.com slash 40 and 20. And don't forget to tune back in next Tuesday for another hour of watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Oh my.