Tissot Rocks! (360)

Published on Tue, 23 Sep 2025 20:41:34 -0700

Synopsis

In this episode of the 40 in 20 podcast, hosts Andrew and Everett discuss a variety of watches and other topics. They start with casual conversation about cooking, including Everett's chili made from leftover ribs and Andrew's smoked chicken wings. The main segment focuses on new watch releases, including the Tissot Rock Watch made from Jungfrau granite, the Swan and Edgar Horizon inspired by the Battle of Britain, the Bell & Ross BRX3, Credor's Gold Feather watches, Farer's new three-hand series, a Caravelle by Bulova Sea Hunter revival, and several other watches from brands like Alpina, Elka, and Fortis. They conclude with brief discussions about two shows they've been watching: "Black Rabbit" starring Jude Law and Jason Bateman, and a movie called "Americana" that Everett compares to early Quentin Tarantino films.

Transcript

Speaker
Andrew Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to 40 in 20, the Watch Clicker podcast with your hosts, Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here, we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, how are you?
Everett Andrew, I'm great. I've noticed you've really locked in the tempo on the beer crack. It's very consistent from week to week at this point.
Andrew Yeah, you know what? I'm a seasoned professional.
Everett You used to be a little all over the place with that, but now you're really locked in timing-wise.
Andrew Yeah, no, I get it. I've dialed it in.
Everett I'm doing well. We woke up this morning and there was moisture on the concrete and the smell of wet grass and soil, which is fun, right? I don't actually... love the evidence that we're going into colder, rainier weather. I'm so excited. But I do that it is appealing. It's not dumping. It's not even raining. It's just sort of like...
Andrew Just a little drizzle.
Everett Yeah, yeah. So that's nice, and it's nice for morning. I did go to the Ducky's game yesterday, which is always terrific. And then this morning, I started a pot of chili. Oh, chili is what that was. I've just put that in the oven and I used for the chili. Really, the reason I did it is because I took, I don't know, probably a pound, maybe a little bit over a pound of ribs from you.
Andrew Probably, yeah, I think a rack.
Everett Yeah, probably like a full rack. And we had some of that. And then yesterday we were just kind of go, go, go. And so we didn't. And I was like, I got to eat those ribs or it's not going to be any good. But now it's been too long to like eat them like ribs. We could reheat them, but it's just. They don't reheat quite right. And so I pulled everything off the bone, tried to get all of the, you know, hardest bits out and chopped it. Not super fine, but chopped it. did a saute with like a full big shallot and almost a full like, what do you call that? A head of garlic. Kind of sauteed it until everything was clarified, lots of oil, and then dumped like some black beans and a couple cans of tomatoes. uh some peppers and some chili seasonings and then i just stuck it in the oven at 250 and that's where it is right now so we'll see um flavors i kind of like worked on the flavors oh i did a big i did a i did a bottle of obsidian stout too which Oh, money. Perfect for chili.
Andrew For chili, yeah.
Everett So yeah, we'll see. I mean, it was more just like, I really need to use this really good meat, but I don't know exactly what to do with it. And that kind of...
Andrew That's a perfect application for it. Especially on a day like this. Yeah, I wouldn't have pulled any off the bones. You would have just stuck it in there on the bones? Yeah, I would have just thrown it in there, bone on, because then you get that thing that just roasted bones. Yeah, the marrow and everything. No, you know what, Andrew?
Everett You say that right now, and I'm almost thinking I need to go back in and throw some bones. I'm not going to do it. But no, you're right. That's exactly what I should have done, and I just did not consider that. You're right, though. Yeah, just throw it in on the bone and then, you know. But fish the bones out because it's going to be probably sautéing for two and a half, three hours. Yeah, that's exactly what I should have done and I didn't do it.
Andrew Next time.
Everett Next time. Yeah, Andrew, how are you?
Andrew I'm good. I'm worn out. I was solo for the last several days, so... Just a little tired. Being solo with little kids is... Yeah. Very different than solo with big kids.
Everett Yeah. Oh, yeah. No, I mean, it's night and day.
Andrew But we made it through. So we made it through. You guys always do.
Everett Yeah. I made a drink this morning and you should try it. Would you try?
Andrew Or would you make... So we did Boy Ride. Whenever Sam goes out of town, the kids coined it as Boy Ride. So I made ribs. And then... compelled you to take them so I could cook again the following day. And last night I made tri-tip. Yeah. How'd that turn out? Turned out fantastic. I made French tips with it. Oh, great. Super good.
Everett Did you smoke to the tri-tip?
Andrew No, no, no, no, no. I sous vide and then I gave it a sear on the Blackstone. Oh, okay. That's how I do tri-tip. Yeah. I know smoked tri-tip is fantastic, but in the sous vide is just... Fucking phenomenal. Yeah. It comes out like prime rib.
Everett Yeah. Wine sous vide is so much easier than smoker, right? Ooh. Ooh. Perfect for today. Isn't that great? Yeah. I made a drink. I made a drink this morning. It's got some old granddad. No, no. It's got the, yeah, the granddad 114. It's got a little bit of Amaro Nonino. Okay. Just because I wanted some sweetness. It's got a little bit of a like a latte syrup that I have just because I want a little bit more sweetness. Half and half and coffee. Yeah, that's good. And it's good.
Andrew Yeah, I think I got the ratios right. That's like perfect winter morning cocktail. Uh-huh. Yeah, it's great. But it's not winter. And yet it remains perfect. But yeah, the tri-tip turned out great. I super thin sliced it.
Everett Oh, and a little bit of pumpkin pie spice. You tasted that, didn't you?
Andrew Oh, there it is. Yeah. That was the mystery flavor. A little bit of pumpkin pie spice. Tri-tip turned out great because when you sous vide it, right, like it just comes out wall-to-wall pink.
Everett It's hard to fuck it up unless you take too long in the sear.
Andrew Uh, yeah. So I do 129 degrees. I usually cook them from frozen. So like four and a half or so hours in the pot. I let it rest for 20 minutes or so. And then I throw it on the, on the grill.
Everett Only a 20 minute rest. That's surprising.
Andrew Yeah, it could probably do for longer, but because it's in the sous vide, you're not really sweating out much juice. And then I throw it on the grill for a few minutes on each side, get a little sear.
Everett I like the Blackstone sear. Does Blackstone get pretty hot? Crazy hot. Okay. Yeah, that's a good surface to do that. Yeah, it gets super hot. So you can do steaks on it too. Done steaks on it. Oh, okay. You know, I was thinking about doing a reverse sear, getting a really like an oversized ribeye and doing a reverse sear on my Kamado. So there's a method, you know, the Kamados come, so the one I have comes with this like three tiered, they call it divide and conquer, but it's got like, Three tiers where you can do half deflector plates or whatever as you go up the tiers, basically. So it gives you the ability. So for instance, what you could do is do like a full soapstone on one side, a deflector plate or a full soapstone on the whole thing on the bottom, a deflector plate on one side above that soapstone. And so then you can do a slow roll smoke above the deflector plate. And then you pull the ribeye, you crank it up to 600, get the soapstone just hotter than piss, which is low to the coals at this point. And then sear, sear on the soapstone. So I'm thinking about doing this, although it seems like a lot of work for a ribeye. But I think if you got the right piece of meat, you could maybe make a really, really good piece of meat.
Andrew Yeah, the Kamado is a really interesting cooking mechanism. So weird, right? It does all of the things. And it's just weird. It does it all.
Everett And if you don't know what we're talking about when we say Kamado, I think a lot of people refer to this as the big green egg. That's the vice grips of the industry.
Andrew The ceramic cooking vessel. I've always been kind of intrigued by it. But I also really like the setup that I have and probably won't convert.
Everett Yeah, no, I mean, if you have the stuff, right, I think one of the reasons you get the Kamado is because you're like, I need one thing that can do everything. But if you've already got like a offset and you've got, you know, then at that point, it's like less compelling, right? You maybe want something to fill the gaps, not something not to do at all. Machine, you know.
Andrew And between the Gravity series and the Blackstone, I don't have gaps.
Everett Yeah, yeah, right. You've just taken a different approach. And in any event, we're not here to talk about cooking because although we both dabble heavily.
Andrew It is about food, drinks, life, and other things we like. In any event, we are here to talk about watches. I'm going to do chicken wings this afternoon, too. I like that. I have them.
Everett You're smoking chicken wings.
Andrew Yep. They're in baking powder right now, drying out, and they're going to hit the smoker this afternoon.
Everett Andrew, watch us go. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll just say, we have a bunch of watches to talk about, 14 by my count, and we have zero overlap.
Andrew Yeah.
Everett Although, I will just say for the record, I did have some of the ones you had, but I saw that I was like, oh, I can get around them with no overlap.
Andrew Can we talk first about what you're currently wearing? You just rolled into my house, didn't say shit, and I went from 6 to 12 right away. My wife was even like, what just happened? It's not super important. It's just something... Was awoken inside of me.
Everett I borrowed a Breitling Navitimer from a good friend of mine. Supposed to be just for the day, and then I wound up accidentally keeping it on. Yeah, you stole it. I now have it for the weekend. He does know where I live, and I will see him on Monday, so I'm going to have to give it back. But... Yeah, I got a Breitling Navitimer for the weekend. I believe this is the B01. It is like a modern current model Navitimer. It's gorgeous. It's so money.
Andrew It's really, you know, so this is the black dial with the... But the black is like super rich and almost like tends toward blue.
Everett Oh, interesting. Yeah. Well, it's certainly with the AR. Sometimes it does read blue. Yeah. And then you get, uh, that sort of off-white silvery cream on the, on the inner, inner ring and on the, on the rotating inner dial and on the inner bezel, Jesus Christ.
Andrew And, and you know, I think I, so I, I've seen Navitimers. I've, I've worn them. I watched ever break one once. Um, that's true. Uh, I think I was most taken by the strap. That was, I think that was the surprise, like the little treat for me. that strap is way good and way better than I would have expected.
Everett You know, Breitling obviously is not, they're spending plenty of money on these straps, and you're right to say, to point out how nice it is. I think you could get similar quality things for probably significantly less money, but...
Andrew But it's not a Breitling-branded deployant.
Everett No doubt about it. Breitling does a really good job with these. And the deployant is, for being such a simple sort of friction... I mean, all of it's just simple friction. But it's all so good. It's really well done, yeah. um this is a watch that actually i found this on chrono 24 i sent it to my law partner who was in the in the market and i said i think this is a good one you should buy it it's basically brand new uh significant discount and he did and and now this is the first i was probably two years ago and this is the first time i've really spent any time with it and uh i'm you know what i will say is It's maybe not the watch for me. And that's not a criticism. It's just not my style of watch. No, it super suits you. Which is to say it looks good on me. Of course it does because everything looks good on me. It looks better on my floor. It's just not for me. I just know I would not love this watch.
Andrew That's wild to me, especially with your Hamilton Aviator that you wear with great regularity. This seems like a better place. Than that Hamilton Pilot. Yeah.
Everett Well, it's beautiful. And I'm not... I've got almost no criticisms. This is the BO141. It's a great size. It's a little thick, but not... But it's what it's supposed to be. It's pie plate, so it really doesn't wear overly thick. It's... Yeah. No, it's a terrific watch. I think it's beautiful. I'm really glad to have had... A few days with it. I've got some cool stuff coming in in the next few weeks, Andrew. Some review stuff. I'm kind of excited. I'll have a fun next couple of weeks.
Andrew We have some things to talk about. But I wanted to mention that because hot damn. Hot diggity dog. I do really love me a Navitimer.
Everett Me too.
Andrew I don't really know where to start.
Everett You know, I think for this one, just pick one and then talk about it. That seems like a relatively safe play. Okay.
Andrew Talk about the Bell and Ross. No, I'm actually, I'm going to start with the Tissot. You're such a dick. Rock watch. Because you wanted to talk about that?
Everett You're like, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. Okay, this, okay, Flintstones, go.
Andrew Okay, so very much a Flintstone watch. So this, hang on, let me find the spec sheet on it. Nuts. You find the spec sheet. I'm gonna talk about this. So this is a... What are we going to call these lugs?
Everett Yeah, it's just a single integrated lug. Yeah. This is like the Credor locomotive or like the Gerald Gento watch that I am absolutely enamored with. It costs half a million dollars, literally. But I call this a single integrated lug.
Unknown Okay.
Andrew I accept. It's sort of reminiscent of like a pocket watch converted into a regular watch, right? Like not quite wire lugs. It's that jewelry lug bit. But these are chunks of rock. Carved and milled out to house a watch. And they're Tisa was doing some odd things as of late. And this is not an odd thing. This is super. What do you mean it's not an odd thing? This is not an odd thing. This is an awesome thing. Oh my gosh. It can be awesome and objectively odd. You're objectively odd. Fuck. So this is a stone cased, stone dial. Uh, just fucking gorgeous. Watch. Um... Okay, so... This...
Everett Oh, did you find the spec sheet? Yeah. Okay. So we've got a 38 millimeter case that's made from Jungfrau granite, which... And so it's important to note that the case and dial are integrated, which is to say it's a single piece of granite that comprises the mid case... uh and and the dial right so you can so that so it appears seamless there is of course a crystal that's set on top of that a sapphire crystal um it is an ediquartz movement it's limited to 995 pieces uh it is 38 millimeters across and and we don't get a like they don't give us a width dimension i'm gonna guess 14 or 15 millimeters uh yeah something like this year it's gonna be you can even tell in the pictures that it's it's probably 16. And for lack of a better term, I'm going to call this a pebble case, which I think is actually fairly fair. Andrew mentioned earlier that it is a single integrated lug that was milled. He said milled out of granite. That's not true. So it's a single integrated lug that incorporates to the case back.
Andrew Well, they had to attach the metal to something.
Everett That's right. The lug as well as the case back are made from steel. And it's beautiful. So this is actually steel that screws into, I'm going to guess, I'm going to guess that they have sunk anchors, steel anchors into the case to attach the case back to. Because I don't think they have to. A screwed connection into this rock wood. But nonetheless, the mid case as well as the dial are made from a single milled piece of granite. And it's beautiful. It is beautiful. And objectively odd.
Andrew Yeah, but not all at the same time. Yeah, this is a... It's kind of like out of the realm of Tiso right now, who's living in the 70s sport watch zone. So to do something like this, I don't really understand where that came from, but God.
Everett What do you understand where it came from?
Andrew The idea. Like, why are they doing a granite watch? I don't get that. But I'm so here for it.
Everett Well, and so this is actually a revival of a watch that Tissot used to sell. And this was available in a few different sizes. I think all of them fairly small. So this is a much bigger version of, so you can still find Tissot rock watches, but all of them are dainty. This is like a full size. If you've ever thought, you know, I'd love to get a rock watch, but it's too small. This is, here you go. I will say these are made from granite carved out of the Jungfrau mountain in the Swiss Alps. they they actually took this granite from cuttings that were were discarded when they cut the the they've got like a high altitude railway that cuts through the jungfrau mountain so this these are cuttings from that which is they're they're spending it as a sustainable measure and i guess it is
Andrew Maybe more so than Chinese Steel. Yeah. I don't know. This feels more like Chanel or like Louis Vuitton. It's a weird... Tissot's just doing weird shit right now. And putting themselves in strange positions, right? Because this doesn't feel like Tissot. Yeah. Even though I know it's a revival, I know it's an iterative release-ish, it just doesn't feel like Tissot.
Everett I'm okay with that, Andrew. There is... I agree with you. This feels like a watch. If this had a... You said Louis Vuitton or I think that that's fair though, right? This does feel to me like a Chanel watch, something that would come from a different brand.
Andrew I'm okay with it. Like a jewelry house and not Tissot. How much do these cost?
Everett Yeah. How much? Yeah. We don't know? No. Okay. Well, it's really interesting. It's an interesting watch.
Andrew It's absolutely stunning. And I don't understand it, but I really like it. And...
Everett That's where I'm at. I'm going to talk about a watch that I don't know anything about the brand. And that's part of the reason I'm going to talk about it. And the other reason is because I was like, you know what? These guys are making watches for me. The person who designed this watch is making decisions for the watch enthusiast that I have maybe... Maybe just matured out of, right? But like, you know, this is the thoughtful, I want something interesting. Okay, so. The brand is called Swan and Edgar. And this is a British company. Swan and Edgar London is actually what the name of the brand is. And this watch is a limited edition. It's called the Horizon. And it is a watch that is... that is meant to memorialize the Battle of Britain. Inspired by the Battle of Britain, a pivotal moment in World War II fought in the skies above the White Cliffs of Dover during the summer of 1940. These strategically vital cliffs formed Britain's front line as the RAF rose to defend the nation against the German Luftwaffe. Britain stood alone, its fate hanging in the balance that's directly from the marketing materials. And then we get this list of design inspiration.
Andrew Which I love. So often you get like a weird story or you get like... we just kind of like this, or you get nothing at all. This is such a fantastic explanation of what inspired their design. And I think the kind of brilliance of it is they explained it and they didn't just like... They didn't just throw shit on this dial. They didn't just throw shit into this watch. They took this inspiration and they made something that looks really fucking good. Yeah. And they're like, hey, this is why we did what we did in a meaningful way, right? I think of other watches kind of of this ilk that it's like, oh, we have a roundo. oh, we put this bullet under the six o'clock to represent this. Or I was inspired by the Chrysler building. And like, I'll throw shade, but I think they did a really good job saying these were our inspirations. And they came out with something that looks super good. Unlike anything we've ever seen. And they brought it all together in a way that works.
Everett Okay, so the first thing you need to know about the inspiration. There is this Royal Air Force. This Royal Air Force, they call it the sector clock. and so this clock is separated into so what it has it it apparently has in a sector ring these uh alternating red yellow and blue triangles and these red yellow and blue triangles each designate five minute chunks across the quarter of an hour so red is the first five minute red is used to indicate the first five minutes in the quarter yellow the middle five minutes in the quarter and blue the last five minutes in the quarter of an hour so it it and and so these flags i'm not precisely sure how how they use these of course because i wasn't there But on the watch, what we have is at 12 o'clock, we've got an 18-carat gold triangle. And underneath that, that's got a negative space milled into that gold triangle. And underneath that, you get these numerals. And those numerals flash between... red, yellow, and blue. And nobody is going to know why, but you're going to know why. The dial's otherwise unadorned besides a three o'clock date window around a porthole date window that's beautifully framed in, that's, you know, it's probably a polished steel, but maybe not. These are... There's only 300 units of each. There is both what they're calling a mineral museau movement, which is actually like a polished granite and an enameled blue dial, which is to represent both of the... the cliffs and the sea, uh, above the, or that made up the location of the battle. It's just, it's just terrific. The iconic white cliffs of Dover and the sea, um, this blue dial, you know, I am on record for not being a huge fan of sort of ombre or gradient dials. I like this one.
Andrew This one, it's so well executed. It almost looks like an aerial view down onto seawater.
Everett And it's a fume kiln fired. The way they get that is with a kiln fired fume enamel. So you get like a bit of sparkle and you get like a really organic grain to it.
Andrew I do wish that the date window on the white dial was framed. Yeah. It's kind of a weird porthole. I think that if they had framed it like they did with the blue dial.
Everett Yeah, I didn't realize it wasn't framed until you said that.
Andrew I think if they had framed it like they did with the blue dial, it would be... The fucking truth. Oh, my gosh.
Everett And then the case back, it just has a sort of 3D engraving of the Dover Cliff, which is beautiful. I actually could take or leave that. So here's the deal. This watch is a little bit... It's a little bit sort of expository, I think. With that said, it's a 90-15, and it's like what? What are these? They're $1,000. Payment plans. Yeah.
Unknown Hmm.
Everett With payment plans. They're available in 14 days from now, which is 12 days from when you will be hearing this, roughly. The way they did this lacquer. Did we talk about the dimensions? So 39 and a half millimeters. It looks to me like it's probably 13. They don't give us a thickness dimension, but I think it's about 12 and a half or 13 thick.
Andrew Is the printing of the logo on the inside of the crystal? Oh, 11 three thick.
Everett Did you hear me?
Andrew 11-3 thick. Look at this. It looks like the printing of the logo is on the inside of the crystal and not on the dial. It almost looks like it's floating. It's on the second hand. It's on the dial.
Unknown Oh, yeah.
Andrew It looks like it's floating, though.
Unknown Fucking cool.
Everett Yeah, these are cool. I've never heard of Swan and Edgar. I don't know who they are, but I know that they're making watches that I would like. There's no detail here. Look at these cases. And the case is great. Yeah, this is sort of like a lugged pebble case a little bit. It's really beautiful.
Unknown Yeah, they did a really good thing.
Everett No tariffs applicable on U.S. orders. And I'm not sure how they're doing that. But, yeah, this is really cool. Maybe they'll have them here. I'm not sure. This is a really cool watch. Yeah. It's stunning. So I just want to say. I just want to say when I see a company like this that I haven't heard of and then I see their watches and their watches, like all the details are right. Like I really want to meet the person who designed it and ask them, you know, talk to them because I just know their priorities are so lined up with me. Does that make sense? Yeah. Like I look at this and I'm like, you're like this watch. This is not the watch I would design. I would never decide. I don't know anything about the Battle of Britain or really Raff or the Dover Cliffs or anything. Right. And it is. And also it's a little expository. So with that said, I just know this person's priorities are lined up with their watch priorities. So, yeah, I think it's really cool. Sorry, I'll leave it there.
Andrew Can I talk about my next thing? Please do. I want to talk about the Bell & Ross BRX 03. Or BRX 3. Bell & Ross is a brand that I kind of like... shame love it. It's like I sit in a dark corner and I'm like, man, I love you, Bell and Ross. 80% of Bell and Ross, I just fucking hate. And I don't dig it because so much of Bell and Ross is weird. kind of high fashion-y skeleton nonsense with like weird things.
Everett Yeah, they do the thing where they're trying to push, they're trying to evoke horology without actually evoking horology.
Andrew Yeah, and then they do some stuff that's like fire.
Everett You're like, okay, all right.
Andrew Where are you at with this one? I'm totally in your fire camp. I'm this is I'm totally and fully in. So this this model is the is their square case round bezel. It is. Oh, get the sizing here. Forty one millimeter case. Thirteen three thick. It's the BR323 Kinesi movement in it. 100 meters of water resistance. And it's just fucking good. So, case on these. Two versions. There is a steel and a black. All titanium cases. rubber strap on it. Like, this is just pure Bell & Ross, right? It's super instrument-looking, which is kind of at the... Well, it's not kind of. It is the heart of Bell & Ross is instrument-designed watches. And this is really, really good. This dial has, like... number one, a really good power reserve indicator, like we talked about last week, that it's not as good as the Hamilton, but it's also really good because it is contrasted or balanced, perhaps, by yesterday, today, tomorrow, date window. These are money. It's this great sandwich design of titanium plates with a... Oh, shit. It's an anodized aluminum. Yeah, an aluminum mid-piece in the sandwich of your square case. It's a ham. Yeah. It's the meat or the cheese, depending on how you feel about it. The black is fucking phenomenal. And, you know, they're Bell & Ross prices. They're $8,000. Which is kind of a bummer because I want Bell & Ross to be like $4,000. Yeah. Because that's what I would feel okay paying. I'm not good with $8,000.
Everett You know, I love them, though. I'll just say I'm less high on these than you are. So, you know, the X series I think are really interesting. So Bell and Ross sort of takes the X designation from, like, aviation programs and space programs which is like this is our most high tech yeah it's the x5 or whatever the x12 avant-garde shit you know the x1 chronograph bell and ross came out with a few years ago and that thing was fucking nuts right like it really really outrageously cool and then they came out with the x5 and i was like okay i like what you're doing here you're scaling it back you're giving us a more accessible model uh i i like that this feels to me like they're trying to split the difference and i don't like it Oh, okay. I don't like it. So first, when you look at this, it looks like there's a lot going on, but there's not. It's a power reserve on an automatic watch, which I'm never a fan of. And then this date complication that's got, what do they call this specific type of date complication? I can't remember. I don't know. I like yesterday, today, tomorrow. Yeah, well, fair. There's a name for this type of date complication. I'm blanking on what it is. And so they've done that to give some symmetry to the case, which is fine. Symmetry is good. But also it looks like there's going to be something really crazy happening here. And it's just a three-hand date watch with a power reserve. It just feels fake to me, Andrew.
Andrew Maybe. You see that argument? I totally don't disagree with it. I like the titanium sandwich.
Everett Yeah. I like the... And so there's two of these, right? So you can get this. So the X3 black titanium is obviously, it's sort of a black motif with titanium outer, you know, bread layers. And then they've also got what they call their blue steel, which is steel on top and bottom. And then this beautiful, I think this beautiful sunburst blue. This really good blue. Base style. Both of these come with an open work strap that I actually kind of like. I like this open work strap. And the movement's good. This Kinesi movement is cool. This is a cool movement. 70-hour power reserve. This just feels to me like they want you to think, Like this is the watch for the guy that wants someone to think they've got some really fucking dope complicated watch on, but it's actually just a power reserve day watch. It's Bell and Ross. Yeah, but Bell and Ross, they do great. So, you know, we're big fans of, we're big fans of.
Andrew I love the bro five.
Everett That's right. The bro five, right? Bell and Ross, but the bro five doesn't have, it's not ostentatious. This is ostentatious in a way that turns me off.
Andrew That's Bell and Ross, though. I like it when... It's very much like Panerai.
Everett I like it when Bell and Ross is less ostentatious. And if they're going to be ostentatious, I want them to do like Diamond Isles, right? I mean, that's fair. I don't want them to try to pretend to do some sort of horology, Hublot shit.
Andrew And that's what they do. I remember you... I super clearly remember... you wearing a bro five that was diamond crusted. Fuck yeah, man. And saying, I think I have to buy this.
Everett I think I do have to get it. It's 22, they're 22,000 bucks, but I do, I would still today buy a diamond dial or a diamond case, BR-05.
Andrew They're fantastic. They're so good. The only watch that I've ever had on my wrist that was as comfortable and as like just melt to your skin as the Bro 5 is the Santos.
Everett Creedor? We don't talk about Credor a lot. Credor is like the rich uncle that you only hear about every once in a while who's eccentric.
Andrew He shows up and acts a little bit inappropriate at Thanksgiving.
Everett You've never known him to have a romantic partner. And so there's some sexual ambiguity going on there, right? That's what Credor is to me. Yeah. Like, because every once in a while you show up and you're like, fuck, all right, Credor.
Andrew What up? Where you been? And then they just vanish again.
Everett Okay, so famously, the Seiko Credor Gold Feathers is one of the thinnest watches ever made. And they were like seven millimeters. They've got this wonderful movement that is problematic in some ways, but is really terrific. This really... Amazing thin movement. I can't remember. It's got a, this is the 68, the Seiko. Anyway, M68, M60, M60. Anyway. I don't remember. So Creador has just introduced the gold feather in two dial variations. a wonderful purple and a wonderful blue. We'll come back to the dials because these watches are terrific. So these are compact, ultra thin watches that are true dress watches. So we've got watches made from 950 platinum. A 37.4 millimeter diameter. No date complication. No loom. 43 millimeter lug to lug. 8'3 thick. Box shape, which includes a box shape shaft. Sapphire crystal. uh we've got a quote-unquote water resistant expectation which is fine for this watch but then but then these dials we've got two dials that you look at these and you say oh okay seiko i see you it's not for me but but then hear about them okay so these are manufactured by ando cloisonne yeah a long established maker of a wire owari cloisonne enamel also known as owari shippo in japanese it's it's a technique that has been used in other seiko watches over the years but it consists of the solid silver base that gets decorated with a relief pattern and here it's a swirling thing and then coated with multiple layers of this translucent enamel so the silver sparkle comes through um we've got a tomecon navy blue and a hotoba dark purple i don't know what either of those word means um but it gives you this delicate like really like lovely uh gradient uh where light passes through the center showing you the engraved and it darkens as you get to the outside gorgeous Long, slender baton markers. Beautiful long sword hands. Thin, long sword hands. If you're going to call these sword hands, it's like a fencing sword.
Andrew Yeah, like a rapier.
Everett They come with genuine crocodile straps, of course, 950 platinum pin buckle. These are JDM available in Japan, probably a boutiques only for, I think like 5 million yen, which winds up working out to like 80 bucks. $28,000. $26,000 to $28,000. These things are gorgeous. Now, I shared these with someone recently and they were like, oh, they're too thick. And I was like, 8'3"? What are you talking about? And they were like, oh, the original 7'7". So just know, the original Goldfeather is a watch that's housed in this impossibly thin case, which makes them problematic in some ways. So first, that original super thin Seiko movement is a little tough. It's a tough movement. And then those cases were so thin. that they did very little. And they're problematic cases. This being a platinum case, you want the case to be a little bit sturdier, right? Because I'll just tell you, super thin platinum is problematic, especially in a watch that you're going to wear more than once a year. So these things are going to be wearable. They're going to be beautiful. Now... Do you buy this to wear besides more than a couple times a year? Probably not.
Unknown But these lugs.
Everett Holy crap. Yeah, the lugs look like they're going to be something different than they are. And then you get up close and you're like, whoa. Whoa. That's how I feel.
Andrew Top down, this is not... It's kind of boring, Top Town. Doing it for me. And then you get to like the 45.
Everett Yeah. You're like, whoa. Whoa. Whoa. And then we've got a... The strap gap, though, I think is a little problematic. I don't... You've got hardly any strap gap. Look at that. Nah, I'm not following you there. And the case back on these things. See-through case back looking into a... gorgeous movement yes absolutely stunning this movement's less than two millimeters thick by the way so uh which is the 68 90 yeah these are terrific and i think they're amazing and i'm here to tell you about them which i've done andrew next yeah i'm i mean i i like looking at it uh fairer
Andrew The new three hand series three collection. You're making a face and I couldn't agree more. I'm not super sure what direction fairer is. going right now so we have a uh the new three hand series three in alert venture and aurora colorways that's a 39 millimeter case 45 lug to lug 11 8 thick which i do like um box sapphire The Le Jouperet 101 movement, 100 meters of water resistance, and a good price, you know, $1,200. But Farrow seems to be tending away from their colorways. in a way that I don't super dig. So up to this point, Farer has, by my assessment, done a really fantastic and interesting job in mixing colors on their dials and on their watch, right? Hands, dial color, markers. And the last few releases we've seen from them, as I recall, have been kind of flat in the way of color diversity. And this is among them. So we have like... We have three colors released here. One's like an ombre, red. The other, a blue. And then the last, like... kind of a salmon. It's like a salmon sector, though. Yeah, like a salmon sector. And I just don't see it. I don't get it. Against Ferrer's catalog, these do not make sense. This feels like Hamilton. This feels like Seiko. This doesn't feel like Ferrer to me.
Everett Well, so first, let's start with a little bit with what this is. So we've got the new, they call this the three-hand series three. And I think, so FAIR is a 10-year-old company now. And I think what we're seeing is FAIR maturing in the sense that they're now sort of like really exploring market segments more than they were, say, four or five years ago, right? I think. Yeah. And so I think that's part of what's going on here. I'm going to compliment Farrah for doing a thing that Farrah does often, which is to have released three watches in a single release that aren't just color variations on a single watch. So that's pretty rare, you know. Yeah, no, there's something there. We've got, you know, so-and-so releases, Bell & Ross releases two new BRX3s, blah, blah, blah. And they're different dials. Different colors. And, okay, so different materials, too.
Andrew There's something bigger there.
Everett One's black titanium, the other's steel. Oh, okay, so Seiko. Whatever. Long story short, here we've got three totally different dials. And that's something Ferrer often does. We've got this blue with these baton markers. We've got the red with the Arabic numerals. And then we've got this salmon slash copper that is got a full Arabic. sector dial so uh and and also which is a totally different it's a geosh instead of this like heavy sandy these textures the texture dials almost look like uh planetary photos you know what you know what they look like to me they look like uh they look like a the surface of a lake bed
Unknown Oh, okay.
Everett Yeah. Like under the water, right? So you're looking. Anyway, these are really beautiful. The blue is gorgeous. They're good sizes. But I don't get it. 39 by 11.8, and they're affordable. I think that's the other thing about these. This to me, so it's G101, and you can buy these for $1,100-ish. on the bracelet or 1,100 on the strap or 1,300 on the bracelet. And so what you're getting is like a really excellent entryway into fairer and to a Le Jeu Parade movement. And so I'm with you, Andrew, like this, it's like hard to understand what they're doing, but I think that fairs just maturing as a company and they're like, we're big enough now. I don't like this maturation for them though. I do. I'm good with it because they, they, they're not taking away. It's not like, uh, what's the name of the brand? I don't know. Bremont, right? It's not like Bremont, which they're like, you know what? This is the new Bremont. Like, no, no, Ferris still does the Ferris shit, and now they're doing this too. Now they're doing sort of less, like, hyper color-focused watches at a more accessible price point, and you're like, oh, okay. So Ferris is now living in multiple tiers of market segment.
Andrew I'm fine with them living in multiple tiers of market segment. And I like these watches too. I don't like, this doesn't feel like fairer to me.
Everett It doesn't matter to me. Like fair is now doing more things. They're not doing less things or doing different things. They're doing more things.
Andrew More things, but I feel like they are, I feel like those more things are at the expense of what made them what they are.
Everett Well, what's the expense? You can still get the things that you like. Nailed it. You're not wrong. He just got quiet. I don't win arguments very often. Let's celebrate this one.
Andrew I just, I want it to be fairer. I want a fucking orange secondhand. Like, I want three colors of hands. I want fun colors because that's what fairer is. These are fun colors. They're not not fun colors. The salmon isn't good. The red is adequate. I like the salmon. I think the salmon's good. The blue is phenomenal, but it's not fairer color.
Everett I want that salmon. I want that salmon iteration in like a really dark anthracite. Yeah. Andrew, Caravelle. Caravelle is Bulova's shitty brand. Back in the 60s, Caravelle was a really cool sister brand to Bulova. Much like, I would say, Tudor to Rolex. Maybe slid down. Just a touch. Just slide them down. Today, Bulova sells watches with the Caravelle brand that are going to be found in rotating Lucite cases on countertops almost exclusively, which is to say the Caravelle brand is crappy. Yeah. Not good. Not something you want. Not anymore. Modern Caravelle watches blow. Yeah. But there is a new release by Caravelle, which is called the Caravelle by Bulova Sea Hunter. And this is a remake of a 1960s Bulova watch. So Devin Pennypacker is a writer for Worn and Wound. I don't know him. I know he has a great name. He does. Devin Pennypacker wrote a he wrote a write up on this watch, which is I'm going to call this I'm going to call this dramatic. Perhaps a bit sensationalist. It is titled, finally, a potential Seiko SKX successor. It is not that. And I kept looking for the part of the article where he would explain why he believes it's that. I actually don't think there is any logic to the statement besides money. Dollars. That's it. That's it. This isn't an ISO 6425 certified dive watch. It is not dimensionally anywhere near as attractive as an SKX. It is not... It has Fotina. It is not... interesting in the same way visually interesting in the same way that the skx uh oh it's not that so we're gonna link to the article because it's the only person i could see writing on this and so kudos to you devin uh with that said it is not that But it is really cool. It is really cool. And it seems like a watch that you might like. Now, they've made some changes to this, obviously. The original Caravelle Sea Hunter was 35 millimeters with a 41 millimeter lug-to-lug and under 12 millimeters thick, which means it had really kind of cool dimensions, although in terms of diameter, a little sort of vintage. The new one is 39 millimeters. Great modern size. 45.5 millimeter lug to lug. Excellent. But unfortunately, with the domed mineral crystal, we get up to a 14.3 thick, which means that if what you were looking for was that vintage skin diver of old, you will not be getting it with this.
Andrew But that wasn't the SKX either.
Everett No, but it was the sea hunter.
Andrew Yes.
Everett And it now is not the sea hunter. So you're getting 200 meters of water resistance and you're getting a wonderful vintage looking. It does have, it does have, as Andrew said, Fotina loom, which. It's funny, there's several pictures of this that are taken next to an actual vintage Caravelle Sea Hunter.
Andrew And the vintage Sea Hunter is really fucking good.
Everett Not only is it really good, but the loom is all white.
Andrew The markers are all white.
Everett They haven't turned brown yet. The hands have creamed up a little bit. But the dial hasn't. So here we've got totally monotone creamy, like whatever. It's not a big deal. It's just kind of stupid. I wish they wouldn't have done it. And furthermore, if you really want, if you're looking for the thing that's... the closest successor to the SKX that's available today, it's a Kamasu. It's a Kamasu. Go get yourself an Orient Kamasu. It's not ISO 6425, but it is, for me, the thing that most closely replicates what we're looking for in that entry-level diagram. And it's cheaper than this because this is $350.
Andrew You want to know what bugs me the most about this write-up? This picture right here.
Everett Where the bracelet's not been tightened.
Andrew Just size the bracelet. Oh my God. How bad must this bracelet be that you can't even size it?
Everett We don't know how long they had it, but we do know that they had it long enough to take a picture of it next to an Orient Mako and an SKX, as well as a picture next to this, next to a vintage Caravelle Sea Hunter. So they had it long enough to size the bracelet. That's the point. This is a really interesting watch and it's exciting that Bulova is releasing exciting watches under the Caravelle brand.
Andrew I think it is a cool sign of maybe things to come because I think Caravelle has a really cool catalog. Caravelle has really cool chops. And if Bulova decides to actually do this, there's some really... There's some real potential here.
Everett 375 bucks. You can find it in the windup. I know that they have this in the windup watch shop too. So I don't know when this came out. I don't know that it just, just came out because nobody else is writing about this. So it might've been out for a little while. It's the first I've hearing about it, which is why I'm telling you about it. Thank you. You're welcome. What's next? We've got a lot of watches. We've got a lot of watches and not a ton of time, Andrew. You didn't talk about that. You didn't talk about that. You didn't talk about that. I'm just kind of done. Okay, but we got to talk about some of these things.
Andrew Okay. Nevada Gretchen and Hodinkee have an Antarctic GMT limited edition and it...
Everett It's sold out, but it's really good.
Andrew It's really good.
Everett And it's the first collaboration that Hodinkee's done since they were purchased by Watches of Switzerland. So it means, which is to say, this was only available for purchase on Watches of Switzerland.
Andrew Yeah.
Everett And it's an Antarctic GMT that's just like the old Antarctic GMTs, but they brush the top and the colors are great.
Andrew Yeah, it's fire. Next. And I hope you get to see one in person. Maybe we'll get to see one in person. We might.
Everett We might.
Andrew Yeah. Alpina. With the new Seastrong Diver Extreme, they did some, they kind of went back to their roots a little bit and dropped this really, really... interesting like kind of vintage inspired but like post-modern feeling dive watch uh dimensions are great 39 millimeter case 40 and a half long 1265 thick and for like a an actual like well-specced 300 meter dive watch with a selita 200 uh it's fire
Everett I didn't read anything about The Awake So Am I. What's the story there? What's the 45-second story there?
Andrew Oh, it's just really beautiful. Okay.
Everett It is beautiful. I've seen the pictures. How much are they?
Unknown When are they?
Everett Expensive, I assume.
Andrew 2,000 euros. Oh, not crazy. So the Golden Hour version, there's only 100, but the rest are not limited. And they're so good. They're like very Tron-y.
Everett Yeah, the way they've done the loom, it's like silver inside of loom instead of loom inside of silver, right? Yeah. Yeah, those are really cool. um uh okay so so in the interest of speed round i have a so the suyosa 37 they came out with last year and you and i were like this is cool but the colors suck they've released this now in a purple and blue finally a good color god damn the purple was not blue is fire Yeah, the purple's good. All the colors they have with this are good, but if you want something a little more normal, you now have that with that blue dial. There's a watch. We really should have taken more time with this, but we didn't, so I'm sorry. It's the Abinger Nimrod. It's a new company, and they've made a watch that is... Much like the Swan and Edgar Horizon, this is a watch that is made with the sensibilities that I have as a watch enthusiast, which is to say good movement, good size, good price. So check that out. Feels like an actual successor to the SKX. Yes. um fortis has it has reintroduced their straddle liner uh s41 with two versions there's there's both a sort of dark gray black dial but then also this heat heat tinted titanium dial.
Andrew I don't understand the dial.
Everett The dial is meant to be evocative of our re-entry heat shield. And so you get these, they've basically taken a torch to titanium to get you a little bit of like blue fading to straw. It's, they're cool. And Fortis is a cool brand. And then the last one I want to talk about, I'm going to take just another half a second. So Elka. Elka is a watch. I really don't know much about Elka, but I know every time I look at their watches, I'm like, why don't I know much about Elka? So Elka has just introduced two versions of watches or two watches, which are versions of watches. that they've previously sold but now in 36 millimeter uh versions uh and and so we've got we've got both their field classic and their d series classic which is more of a dress watch each in 36 uh and everything on these is great so what we've got is a 36 millimeter diameter watch that's mostly mostly all dial
Unknown It is only dial.
Everett We've got a G101 movement, of course, with the 68-hour power reserve. We've got sapphire on the front, sapphire on the back, so you can see that G101, which has been well-decorated. We've got great attractive dials. Very 60s. We've got rhodium-plated appliques.
Unknown Oh, man. The numerals. Pre-60s on this.
Everett And these are, and they're well-priced watches, which I believe is true, but at the moment can't find the damn prices. How much do these cost? I don't know. I'm on the Elko website. I want to say it's like $1,500 or $1,600. Darn it. I can't find them. So I'm sorry about these. These also watches that I think have been out for just a little bit, but I just heard about them on It's About Time, the VUX.
Andrew 1,700 Swiss francs.
Everett So size, dimensions, dials, everything is good.
Unknown They really are.
Everett Everything is good. And I am once again.
Andrew This is like the Fotina that you want. This is Fotina that you want. I agree. This is like the dials have been like the color on the dial is aged. Yeah, it's not white anymore. Little bit of 14. I mean, it's not a little bit. It is 14 at hands. But this is what a vintage watch looks like. This is what a 1930s watch looks like. And it's not. It's really well executed.
Everett Yeah, I think so too, Andrew. And so that's kind of why I wanted to talk about these. So the D series, so we've talked, the D series is their dress watch. And these are also really terrific. And the dimensions are good. So obviously we've got 36, but I want to say, and I saw this earlier. Yeah, they're 10.5 thick. They're 10-5 thick. So, you know, you're obviously not getting a ton of water resistance. You're getting 50 meters of water resistance. But just dimensionally, these are really great. And they look to be exceptionally well made.
Andrew The execution of the aging colors on this white cream dial...
Everett There's money. And you can get everything on leather or a pizza rice bracelet.
Andrew The blue with Fotina, not a fan. Silver with Fotina, not a fan. Black with Fotina, not a fan. But this creamy aged dial with Fotina. I like the black. I'm in.
Everett I'm in. And I really like the blue dress. So these are great. I'm here for it. I'm glad they did it. And that's all I have to say about that. Look at that. That's good. 36, 10 thick. Andrew, other things. What do you got?
Andrew I watched a new show this week. It's called Black Rabbit. It stars Jude Law and Jason Bateman, which is not a combination I ever would have imagined. The whole premise of the show is that Jude Law is running a upscale, hip and cool restaurant in New York City. And Jason Bateman is his dirtbag brother who reenters the picture and throws a wrench in all of it. And it is terrific. It's it's not quite like the bear meets Ozark. But if I had to say like this is like kind of the space that the show exists in, it's very much that. It is so good. Jude Law and Jason Bateman are absolutely phenomenal. Like I said, those are two fellas I'd never expect to exist on the same screen. And the way they do it is phenomenal. It's a limited series on Netflix, so it's like eight episodes. And then it's over, and you're like, oh my fucking God. I want more. But you're not going to get more. It was super good. And it was just like so... How many episodes? I think eight. Okay. Hang on. Yeah, eight episodes. One of the best limited series shows I've ever watched. Oh. Super fun. Like, you don't... Shoot me a link. Even if you get ahead of the show in your head, you don't get to where it's actually going. Okay. Fantastic. I like it. Yeah, it was really, really good.
Everett Send me a link. You have Netflix.
Andrew I don't need to send you a link. You own a Netflix.
Everett Oh, okay. Just send me the, send me the, um, I've got, I've got, I've got my, my other thing this week is, is also, um, it is also film slash cinema, which is atypical. We don't usually do two of these, but I watched a movie last night that kind of caught me off guard. Kim said, Hey, uh, Saturday night, we should watch a movie.
Andrew K-pop dragon hunters or demon hunters.
Everett Yeah. Yeah.
Andrew No. That was really good. Did you watch that? I haven't. No, Betty wants to watch it. Yeah, watch it. Okay. We've watched it a dozen times. Okay. It's really good.
Everett No, but we did find a movie, and I said, you know, I've not heard of this, but it looks really interesting. So it's called Americana. It's a movie that's directed by Tony Tost, or Toast. It's his film debut, and if... And if that is anything to remark on, I would say look for movies both now and in the future by Tony Tost. It's got Sidney Sweeney. It's got Paul Walter Hauser, Halsey, Eric Dane, Zahn McLaren on Simon Rex. And it is a movie that is you're instantly like, Jesus, you're instantly like, whoa, whoa. What is going on here? Sidney Sweeney is terrific. Paul Walter Hauser is terrific. Everybody in this movie, Zahn McLarnon is really good. And this is made, I would say... I would say in the style of sort of vintage Quentin Tarantino, which is not to say like the blood or the cussing or the feet, but rather to describe the way he used time and vignettes. in, say, Jackie Brown or Pulp Fiction, which is to say time is not exactly linear. Like you kind of jump around while you get the story and you have to kind of think about, are we before or are we after? And the story is given to you in that sort of not completely linear way. It's about a stolen... a stolen artifact a Native American artifact and the power struggle to get a hold of that artifact and ultimately what winds up happening to it and you just kind of like Quentin Tarantino we like it the yes
Andrew The primary of the story is sort of just a driver of the story.
Everett And you get these up close and personal experiences with these segments of society that perhaps don't even actually exist, but that are loosely affiliated with things that you know that do exist in such a way that it makes it plausible. That's all I'm going to say about it.
Andrew It's really, really good. On what platform did you watch this?
Everett Okay, so oddly enough, this is a movie that was made in 2022, debuted at South by Southwest in 2023, but just had a theatrical release.
Andrew And it had a $9 million budget with a $500,000 box office.
Everett Yeah.
Andrew So you know it's going to be good.
Everett It just had its theatrical release in the United States here two years after being released. And I rented it on Amazon.
Andrew I don't do that anymore. We don't have Blockbuster. We don't have Hollywood. I don't rent them.
Everett I rented it. I rented it on Amazon. So the quote unquote rentals.
Andrew Yeah, $3.
Everett Yeah, yeah. I can't remember. It was five bucks, I think. Which that's usually my threshold. Unless it's something I really want to do. I really want to watch this. I'll pay the 20. But other than that, $5. I'm like, you got to be a $5 rental for me to watch you.
Andrew Remember when we had to rent movies? Yeah. You had to like drive down the road and like browse.
Everett And if you were in a big city, which I was, well, I shouldn't say a big city.
Andrew I was in Portland. Yeah, we were in an adequately sized city.
Everett It's a city. You like had to know someone there. It was like getting liquor. It's like getting allocated liquor, right? Yeah. You're like, hey, I really want to have that. And they're like, oh, yeah, be here at 530. Brandon's going to return it. Okay. That's all I have, Andrew. Do you have anything else you want to add before we let these people go for the day?
Andrew No, enjoy your day.
Everett Hour 13, that's not bad.
Andrew That's our typical.
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Andrew Bye-bye.