Hamilton, Tissot, and... Berneron. (359)

Published on Mon, 15 Sep 2025 21:43:25 -0700

Synopsis

In this episode of the Watch Clicker podcast, hosts Andrew and Everett discuss several recent watch releases and share personal stories. Everett talks about his first experience smoking meat with his new Komodo Joe smoker, detailing the challenges of temperature management and his successful pork butt smoke. The hosts then dive into watch discussions, covering new releases from Hamilton (a Khaki Field with power reserve), Tissot (the Ballade COSC collection), Hermes (new H08 models), and Ciga Design's Moonwalker. They particularly praise the Hermes H08 for its quality and reasonable pricing relative to competitors. The episode concludes with Everett recommending a unique sci-fi novel and reminding listeners about ways to support the podcast through Patreon.

Transcript

Speaker
Andrew Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to 40 in 20, the Watch Clicker podcast with your hosts, Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here, we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, how are you?
Everett I'm good. You know what I was thinking, Andrew? I was thinking we should record a beer can opening that we can use in case we're doing a whiskey episode or something. I'll just open a soda water or something. I'm just saying. I was just thinking, oh, that might... I don't know. Maybe we could just put it on the board and just... You know, instead of Batman, it's just like... And then we could just... And you know what? No one would even know. These fucking idiots would have no clue. They wouldn't know.
Andrew Unless we were playing the Batman music with it. Then they might know.
Everett How's it going, dude? Good. I think you said, how am I? I'm good. I'm good. I did my first big kid smoke yesterday. And gosh darn, I tell you, it... It's hard. So smoking, you know, I talked about my, my Komodo Joe last week. I think in terms of like heat, heat management, that style of cooker is pretty straightforward, you know, certainly more straightforward than an offset. Um, you know, which is, which is the most complicated, maybe a little bit more complicated, you know, certainly more complicated than a pellet grill, right? Because pellet grills set it and tell it what temperature and it's going to do the thing. But, um, it's pretty straightforward, right?
Andrew So you, as long as you don't tend your fire, you like, you, you still have to manage your, your fire.
Everett You've got to manage your vents, right? Because there's not much. Once you put the cooking apparatus in, once you put the grill apparatus in, there's not much you can do to your fire, right? So it's really managing airflow. That's the only thing you have control over is airflow. And because it... it's got so much will made fun of me for using this phrase, but it's got so much thermal mass. It is what, if you overshoot, it's a, it's really slow to come back. Right. And so anyway, long story short, I did my first, it was a long cook. So I think I started at eight and I pulled at six or so.
Andrew That's a pork butt time.
Everett That's right. So about 10 hours of cooking with a little bit, you know, maybe another half hour to get heat going. And, you know, in the middle, I had to like... Was it something that I hadn't thought about? I, I ran out of charcoal or because of the way I'd set the charcoal up, I ran out of effective charcoal. So like it had burned through and then it couldn't get to the rest of the charcoal. So that's maybe a partially a me issue, but I had to like, I kept like chase. I started chasing temps in the middle of it, which is weird because it's so stable. I had to pull it all the way apart. put more lump charcoal in and get the fire going again. It took maybe 10 minutes and it felt like really extreme. It felt scary, you know, cause this is my first long smoke. I don't think it was, I think it was fine. I don't think it affected anything. It was just like, you know, the next time that happens, I'm just going to do that early on. As soon as I feel like I'm starting to chase temps, I'm just going to open it up, reset the charcoal, put it back in and go again. So, um, but, But here's what I'll tell you. Here's what I'll tell you. This is a bonus other thing. And I'm not telling you because you already know. But I'm telling you at home. If you want to get into smoking... Do a pork butt. It's a big kid smoke. It's a grown-up smoke. But I will tell you, I think as long as you have good meat, I don't think it's possible to mess it up.
Andrew It's a huge confidence booster.
Everett So you know what? I pulled that thing. So after resting it, I pulled it out of the cooler, and I started breaking it up, and the smell filled the house, and everybody was like, whoa. And I was like...
Andrew Yep.
Everett What up? I did it. Like Tom Cruise, or Tom Cruise, Tom Hanks in Castaway where he just makes fire. He's dancing around the house.
Unknown I have me fire.
Everett I felt like a wizard, dude.
Andrew Yeah, pork butts are a huge confidence booster because you can mess them up. Oh, sure. You can mess anything up, right? But it's a little bit harder. As long as you can manage temperatures and hit temperatures, you're there.
Everett You know, both you and West had said to me, now you need to do a brisket. And I know that's right. But I also know, like... That's big league, right?
Andrew I maybe wouldn't go brisket first. Do a couple of hot and fast tri-tips. Do a couple of slow tri-tips because tri-tips are cheaper.
Everett I think I might do some ribs. I think that might be my next smoke is some ribs. Ribs will be good on it. You get a rack so they're vertical. in the smoker they're like kind of stack side by side because these these smokers are small small surface area but you can get like four or five racks on even my size which is the classic 18 inch as long as you put them horizontal so i think i'm going to get one of those and they're cheap the racks are like 30 bucks so that's why i think that's going to be my next smoke
Andrew three two ones man is that it's so i've heard this i don't know what that is it's three hours just smoke on the grill wrap it for two and baste it and then so you wrap it with like a texas crutch like some beer some sauce or some apple cider juice like take your pick yeah wrap it all up throw it back on the heat for two hours and then you open it up for one more hour yeah okay yeah
Unknown Okay. So it can't crust up?
Andrew Yeah, it crusts up a little bit, caramelizes a little bit. And then do you rest ribs? I mean, soft. Rest them long enough to cut them comfortably.
Everett Okay.
Andrew But not like a... Not like an overnight or pork butt or whatever. Okay.
Everett Well, uh, Andrew, how are you?
Andrew I'm, I'm good. I'm coming off of having like a little bit of a stomach bug. So I'm like, today's the first day I'm feeling like, okay. In several days. Yeah. Uh, so it's a little worn out from that, but you know, whatever. I'm, I'm back and feeling okay.
Unknown Okay, well, good.
Andrew You look great.
Unknown Thanks. I usually do. You look good today.
Andrew I have a new watch alert. Oh, that's fun. This last week, I finally was like, you know what? It's time. And I got... the doxa 300t professional i sat with the professional and the caribbean both in my cart for days trying to decide and and ultimately decided you know what i have blue watches um if i'm gonna get a doxa i'm gonna get the doxa and this is a big ass watch it's fine if it's orange
Everett Yeah, no, I think I really like your thinking on that. I will say that I thought you were going to get Caribbean, and I think you would have been really happy with that choice because it's a beautiful watch. But I'm glad you got the orange. I'm glad you got the orange because I think you're right on. This is the one. It's the one.
Andrew The bezel action's great. One thing that I'd read, and I was kind of like never having had the bracelet on, was kind of unsure about how I was going to feel about the bracelet. And the bracelet is a little bit of a chunk. Yeah, yeah. But it's a super comfortable bracelet. It tapers a little bit, but even with the taper, it's not much taper. No, it really isn't much. I'm going to throw it on. I don't know. Throw it on rubber and see how it feels. But I like the bracelet a lot.
Everett Yeah.
Andrew And it's super comfortable.
Everett The diver extension means I can get it super comfortable when I borrow it.
Andrew Yeah. The dive extension is like super practical, super functional. The screws on this thing in the bracelet had to have been set with an impact gun.
Everett Yeah, I wonder if Doxa did that or if that's a watch buys? I don't know.
Andrew Do you buy it from watch buys? I bought direct from Doxa's website. Oh, okay. Yeah. Okay. Like I have... abrasions on the pad of my hand from trying to get enough force onto the little screwdrivers to break those screws free.
Everett You came over yesterday asking me, like, I need to try some different screwdrivers. Yeah.
Andrew Stripped one screwdriver out, like toasted a bit.
Everett Yeah, toasted my small bit. I got to order a small wee-ha, wee-ha bit. I don't know if that's how you say that word, but I like saying it.
Unknown Wee-ha! Wee-ha!
Andrew Yeah, but got the bracelet sized and very, very pleased with it.
Everett You know, Andrew, I wore my SPV 143 this morning thinking of this. You know, I think that this is not an uncommon, I think that this is not an uncommon sort of this or that that people make. And, you know, obviously these watches are as different as two dive watches can be. For being similarly sized and similarly specced, you just can't get much more different than these two watches in terms of the way they do the exact same thing. Well, this one has exactly six times more water resistance.
Andrew Oh, yeah.
Everett Well, that's true. I guess effectively a similar thing. But, yes, a very similar thing indeed. With that said, I can really see the appeal of both of these watches. Of course, I went with the SPB 143 given the choice, which... You know, I'm not suggesting that that's the right decision. Obviously, I want a Dachshund. Yeah. So, yeah, it's cool. This is a bigger watch. It's a bigger watch that, you know, even though, like on paper, they're similarly sized, the Dachshund's heavier.
Andrew I think the bracelet is part of what makes it heavier because just the clasp alone is probably 30% more material.
Everett That's right. The bracelet is much chunkier. And the watch, the watch itself, the watch head is bigger and more substantial and chunkier. And... Um, it, it is a really, it's a really neat watch. Uh, and, and I'm glad you got the orange. I'll tell you why I'm glad you got the orange because I am positive that when I buy a dock, so I'm going to get a shark Hunter. And so I'm glad to have an orange one in the family.
Andrew Yeah. It's nice to have that. But looks great. And I went 300T in lieu of 300 because I wanted the flat crystal because it's already thick. I didn't want a box. And I know you kind of tend towards the 300 because you do like that box. I like the extra water resistance. I do like that box. And I'm pleased I went with it because a box sapphire on this would just be almost untenable.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. No, Andrew, I think that's great. I'm really happy you got it. I think you've talked about it for years and I'm so excited for you. Thank you. Yeah. But in any event, we're not here to talk about watches. Actually, we are here to talk about watches.
Andrew We are here only to talk about watches, actually. Why don't you take us away? How weird. We were already talking about watches. I know.
Everett That never happens. Maybe half a dozen times.
Andrew If.
Everett Yeah. What do we have? We're getting up there.
Unknown Take us away.
Everett Well, I just got an alert on my phone that Russell Wilson had a 20-yard pass to Malik Neighbors. That's good news. It is good news because he's on both of my teams. That's awesome.
Unknown Not good news for me.
Everett Well, I don't know where I want to start. I think let's start with the Hamilton because this is a watch that I think is something that just about everybody saw and was like, you know? Okay. There's a little bit of, hmm? And there's a little bit of, okay. For my part, I'm going to say that I don't know who wanted this. I don't know who was asking for it. And frankly, I don't know who needs it, although we'll come back to that. I think this was perfect. So if you don't know, Hamilton released a variation on the khaki field, the mechanical khaki field watch, which is sort of the OG blasted finish field watch, the one that I have. And in releasing this revision, they put a power reserve on it, which... i think given a the power reserve that the h80 has and given the nature of this watch i i think it's a perfect it's it's a perfect rollout for a power reserve a lot of times watches have power reserves and i'm like you don't need a power reserve yeah But in an 80-hour, I see it. I'm okay with it. The application feels fine.
Andrew And the functionality of when we're looking at a field watch, which is meant to be a tool watch. Totally. I think there's inherent limitations by a mechanical-only tool watch.
Everett And if you're on, let's say, a two-week patrol without electronics... That could happen with this watch, right? That could happen with this watch. I think in the day of cell phones, it's unlikely. But there's a world exists where this could be your timekeeping device. You could be out in the field. And if you lose the time, short of being able to read the sun, and maybe you can do that, but short of being able to read the sun incredibly accurately, you're never going to get the time back. So you might get close. Yeah, it would get in the zone. But you're never going to get the time back. So if you're on some sort of hack, it's a great tool, right? Nobody needs it, but it's a great tool. It makes sense. When we talk about why would you need this, you can see the world in which you would need this. And I totally accept it.
Andrew So many power reserve indicators, I just do not accept.
Everett Yeah, we've talked about this on the show all the time.
Andrew And I accept this one.
Everett Me too. And it's well executed. It is. It looks good. That's the other thing. So let's talk about that. But first, I just want to mention, they did one other thing that I think people are going to really like, which is that they added 50 meters of water resistance to get it to 100. Yep. Now.
Andrew That might make it the perfect fucking watch.
Everett Except that it's now nearly 12 millimeters. It's an 1195 watch. So mine at 50 meters is sub 10. This is now a big watch, I think. And so that was the one thing. I saw this and I was like, really?
Andrew You couldn't have salvaged it elsewhere?
Everett I don't, and maybe I don't know enough about how water resistance works. Even, even in making my own watch, there were times when I'm like, how are we going to, how do we do that? How do we do that?
Andrew I'm just saying I have like actual open orifices in my body. And when I go under the water, it doesn't always get in there. Yeah. So I feel like when you're sealing things up with like rubber gaskets and shit, it should be a little bit easier.
Everett yeah you know i don't know andrew um it it's weird it it's weird that's the one thing i didn't get these come in 1025 on a bracelet 945 on a on a fabric strap hamilton prices i don't those prices seem high to me I wonder if this is going to be a retail price is lower than the manufacturer's suggested retail price. Because that happens with Hamilton, right? Where something will come in at $900, but it actually really sells retail price. Actual retail price is $650 or whatever. So we'll see what happens there. This makes sense. We should talk a little bit about what it looks like. Because there's, I think, some good and some bad.
Unknown Okay.
Everett The power reserve itself is at 9 o'clock. Because this is in Hamilton's new, you know, because this is the current iteration of Hamilton, there is some age loom, yada, yada. The power reserve itself actually sits just inside the 9 o'clock, and it's a half moon with full at the top, E at the bottom. It's in a nice white. With the F and the E at the top and the bottom respectively in red, I think it works really well. I think this is a really, really attractive power reserve, and I think that it works really well with the field watch. It looks good. It doesn't seem out of place. It's not weird. You think this watch, it's going to be hard for them to do that with this watch. I think this is perfect.
Andrew I would have been okay with a marker instead of the one half. Yeah, sure.
Everett But it gives it a little bit of character.
Andrew It's a little something. It almost kind of like pushes it into like racing watch territory. A little bit, yeah. Kind of like auto-inspired. But even with that, it's still a field watch. It still looks and behaves like a field watch and introduced a really valuable functionality for a mechanical field watch.
Everett Now, what I'm less okay with is the addition of the text at 6 o'clock. They've added to this. power reserve, and then 80 hours stacked. And it just feels unnecessary to me. It takes away from the sterile field watch dial in a way that I just felt like, what? You know, it's like when you're a kid and you're doing a drawing and then you add that last thing. Yep. Yep.
Andrew Or it's that last pinch of salt. You're like, fuck!
Everett yeah that's right it's like you didn't know when to stop hamilton you should have stopped stopped when you're a restraint they did not exercise restraint here and and i'm not going to suggest that ruins it because i don't think it does but it is it's it's a not great addition i think so um yeah this is a cool watch it I struggle to either fully embrace it primarily because of the extra thickness, but also that six o'clock text. But I struggle to criticize it because I think it's really well done.
Andrew It's also cool to split the size between a 38 and a 42 coming in at 40. They've introduced a new size into this family.
Everett Yeah, and I think formally, I mean, I think formally there was no, there's just the 38, right, in the mechanical.
Andrew And then you can get 42s in the automatic. But this is splitting that difference for people who are maybe perhaps sensitive to watch sizing. I think this is a more is more release for me. Yeah, yeah. And a more is better kind of release for me.
Everett You know, I feel like a brand like Hamilton, when they make a watch, should first send it to us. I agree. And be like, hey guys, what do you think? Like a watch like this, like we're experts. Perhaps. We are. No, we are. They should just send it to us. Hamilton, if you're listening, Mr. Hamilton, next time, just send it to us. We are experts. We know.
Andrew A lot about some. What's next? Or some about a lot. I don't know exactly how we want to categorize that. But next up for me, since we're talking kind of interesting releases from Hamilton, I want to talk about the Tissot Ballade album. COSC Powermatic Collection. So this is a iterative release. These came out last year. Well, they came out in the 90s and then they were re-released in 2024 because that's what TISO is doing. They're dredging up their old catalog and they're kind of killing it. So no reason to fix what isn't broken. This is now coming in a 39 and 30 millimeter case option with a COSC certified movement. And I'm pretty smitten. Not with what they are right now, but what I know Tissot is going to iterate with them in the future. They've got this lovely, lovely fluted bezel. The end link is kind of goofy, and I think they'll clean that up. Roman numerals on the dial, a textured kind of, I don't know, kind of evokes like a Tudor prince kind of feel with this fluting. Love it, and here's what got me actually excited. 1,000-ish euros, like 1,100 bucks on a, or 1,025 euros in steel, and then the gold PVD is 1,095. Powermatic 80 movement in the 39 millimeter, and a Powermatic 48 in the 30. I think this is just good iterative releasing from Tissot, who's just continuing to kill it. Not super fan of the two tones, but we've got four colors in the 39. There's a silver, a blue. That's really good, like jadey kind of green. And then a two-tone silver dial, gold center links on the bracelet, gold fluted bezel. And then the 30 is... kind of softer colors, a silver, a powdery blue, and then a silver with rose gold in the two-tone. Like I said, this initial release, not super jacked about. They're iterative releases of this. I am looking forward to some cool stuff. I know you weren't a big fan, but I think cost at a thousand bucks coming from Tissot in a design like this is money.
Everett Yeah, I'm not a fan. I'm not a fan. 10 millimeters. No, so I'm a fan of some of this, right? I'm a fan of some of this, but I think I'm not a fan of the watch. Okay, so a couple. So 1098 for meters of water resistance. Sorry, what did you say?
Andrew The 39 is 10.98 thick with 100 meters of water resistance. Yes, okay.
Everett So that's good. That's good. And I'm not even mad about them releasing a new version of their Datejust dupe. I'm okay with it. I don't mind it, right? With that said, I think there's a couple of huge problems here. So first... This is limited to the 34 millimeter version. I don't see this on the 40 millimeter version, but the 34 millimeter version has, it's set too deep and the rehot is really steep. And so you get this dial too deep sensation.
Unknown There's no such thing as too deep.
Everett No, there is. And I've done that before. And I got to tell you, don't do that. With that said, when you see a watch that has this dial too deep, it doesn't work. And every time I've ever seen a watch like this, and there are watches like this, I'm always like, you know what? That's a huge problem. This watch has that problem. I don't care because I'm not going to wear the 34.
Andrew It's a 30 and a 39. The 34 and the 40 is the original quartz version. Oh, excuse me.
Everett Oh, I'm sorry. So the 30. Now, the other problem I have is this fucking end link, which is disastrous.
Andrew Yeah, they missed on that. But it's also a $1,000 Costco watch. It is. They should have done better and they didn't. It's a disaster.
Everett It is absolutely terrible. So what they should do is recess links two and four on the end link and then run the bracelet links two and four into the end link. That's what they should do. And so the reason they don't do that is because having a spring bar captive first link kind of sucks.
Unknown Yeah, it's a bit of a pain.
Everett And so this is a more practical design. Fine. I'm okay with that. I'm okay with that. But aesthetically speaking, it's just a no-brainer. This is terrible. This end link, it's all I would ever see. It looks awful to me. And I know that's subjective, but I think it's a huge problem. The other thing I don't really love, and again, this is subjective, is... Making this a cost certified watch.
Andrew Why not?
Everett Because I think this would be better at 500 bucks or 600 bucks or 700 bucks or whatever this watch costs without cost certification. This watch to me doesn't feel like a flagship. Not to say that you should only have flagships cost certified, but this watch to me just doesn't feel like it should be
Andrew No, they're not going to do a line of $800 PRXs to get them COSC certified.
Everett Well, do something fucking different then. Design a watch, Tissot.
Andrew They can't. They're dredging up the closet. They're busy.
Everett Anyway, I don't like it. I don't like it. I just don't want it. I don't think it helps. I don't think it's good for anything.
Andrew I like the silver 39.
Everett This watch to me looks like Tissot's saying, hey, we're going to phone it in for a bit. I don't want a brand like Tissot to phone it in ever. Just don't phone it in, Tissot. You've got your sort of like non-luxury, shitty collection. And that's fine. We don't care. I know you need to sell watches at the mall. We know. But don't sell me an enthusiast release that is such garbage. Like, that's a waste of time and resources, I think.
Andrew Oh, this is going to fly off the shelves at Macy's. This is a chronometer certified watch.
Everett But nobody's fucking buying this at Macy's. This is an enthusiast watch.
Andrew Oh, they're going to.
Everett I think it's a loser.
Andrew I mean, you are.
Everett Was our list almost identical this week? We had a lot of overlap, yeah. Because I was looking at your list, and I was like, is this my list? Why is it on the wrong side? I think this one's not on your list, but I want to talk about it. So Berneron, I think. Berneron? Berneron? So this is a weirdo brand. It's a weirdo brand. It's a brand that came out last year and released a crash type of thing. And I remember seeing it at the time. Was it last year? Maybe two years ago? I remember seeing it at the time and thinking, I don't know. This isn't for the show. Cool, but also not for the show.
Andrew Also, duping things is fine. being inspired by things is fine, but I do take a little bit of issue with like duping a novelty. Right. Right.
Everett I don't want to take any issue with it. I see what they were doing and I'm like, fine.
Andrew Like it's not like, it's not like recreating the tank though or, or the Santos. Yeah. Yeah.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. No, it's a good point. Right. It's, it's like, this is like a once in a, like this is cool once. Yeah, they did it. And let's move on. And so this watch was incredibly well built and well made. And when I say well built and well made, I don't mean like notice. I mean like, I mean like Glashütte original type of. So it's just like, yeah, I don't care. This is not for the show. So. I saw this watch, I think, two weeks ago. In fact, it was on... I think it was either on the short list or on the list for last week's episode and we didn't talk about it.
Andrew Yeah, it didn't make the list.
Everett But then I revisited it this week and I was like, I'm going to talk about it because I think it's really cool. So what this is, is the Berneron... I'm going to settle. Berneron. That's fine, right?
Unknown Yeah, we'll stick with that.
Everett The Quantium Annual. So... This to me, I'll just say, this to me feels like a Lange, right? It looks like a Lange or perhaps a Glashütte original, right? This is that German high complication, high horology, beautiful stunner watch. It has a, it's got a cursive, brand marking that's sits at like four 35 o'clock. And when I saw it, I was like, I should hate that. And I don't. So what this is, is a jump. Our annual calendar. And these are both. Annual calendar jump hour. Sort of grand complications. Or high horology complications. And it's designed in such a way. It's designed in a cross. So the time is intended to be read. North to south. With the date being read. Left to right. Nine to three. So from north to south. You get a digital jump hour. You get a minutes hand. that a central minutes hand, and then you get a small seconds with an AM PM indicator in that small second style. And then from left to right, you get a day.
Unknown Where's the seconds hand?
Everett Small seconds at six o'clock.
Unknown Small seconds at second. Okay.
Everett And then from left to right, you get a day of the week. You get a retrograde date indicator. Come back to that, and then you get the month. So coming back to the retrograde quickly, to the retrograde date indicator, this is set from 1 to 31, and it sits entirely outside of the small seconds, although the disks, in theory, overlap. the one starts just outside on the left just outside the small second circle and the 31 ends just before now this is a clever bit of engineering and i don't know how it's done the dots at the beginning so each of the dates is just odd dates And they're separated by dots. So you got 1, 3, 5, 7, 9. Just the odd dates. And then the even dates are indicated by a dot. So 2 is a dot. 4 is a dot. The dots between 1 and 3 and 3 and 5 are closer together than the dots between 25 and 27 and 27 and 29. Okay? So... What that means is as this retrograde date counter progresses through the dates, it has to move further. And they did this to keep kerning and fonts looking like they make sense. Instead of just squeezing the text, right, for 31, just making it really narrow and thin, which everybody would understand why they did it.
Andrew And no one would raise an eyebrow.
Everett And nobody would raise an eyebrow. Instead of doing that, they kept the fonts the same, the kerning the same, and instead changed the movement so that it would... Okay, so that's... That's like solving a problem that nobody has.
Andrew Like that's high horology shit right there. Correct. Oh, let's invent something to solve a problem that doesn't exist.
Everett And I'll tell you, Andrew, that is why I ultimately came back to this watch because I was like... Whoa. Whoa. Like, I don't know enough about hierology to be like, that's, oh, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo. You know, to really talk about it intelligently. But in this case, I was like, fuck. That's cool. So, okay. What we've got also, we've got a platinum case. The platinum case is sandwiched between stainless steel plates. Mm-hmm. Because platinum is kind of hard to repair and steel is not. So in theory, you could damage the bezel or the top of the lug or perhaps even the bottom of the lug and have that repaired by them versus the platinum. If you had to like micro platinum, it would take everything out of shape and you wouldn't be able to put it back together. So some people are going to be like, oh, well, it's platinum sandwiched between stainless steel. You can't see it. It's like... It's like a decision, right? They made a decision, and you almost have to appreciate it. The steel sandwich layers are attached with these beautiful, on the bottom, they're attached with these beautiful screws. There's just so much going on here for this tiny little boutique brand. Also, the beautiful movement also arranged on the plates with the train and the regulator in a cross shape. So you've got from north to south regulator, the central gear from the gear train, and then the barrel. And then from left to right, you get the gear train. that's topped with a stainless steel cap that is intended to a give you a place for engraving but also just to protect the movement from uv damage or other sort of impact It's an incredibly thoughtful watch from such a teensy, tiny, new brand. And I was like, holy shit. By the way, touchdown Russell Wilson and Malik Neighbors. That's points. That's money. 38 by 45 by 10 millimeters composed of 950 platinum and 904L steel. You've got this sort of art deco. The pushers for the day and month are instead of plunger pushers, they're like integrated Apple watch pushers. And it reflects this design philosophy that they're going for, which they call desk restricted horology. your guess, your best guess on, on what that means. Um, I'm smitten. Okay. I'm smitten by the banner on quantium annual.
Andrew I can't buy it because I want to say that these are, there are 120,000 Swiss francs this year and 130 next year, 140 the following year, 150 the year after that. And they're only making 24 a year. So best case scenario, you will never see one of these in your life. Yeah, that's right.
Everett Yeah, I mean, unless you're at watch time or something and someone... I mean, you're going to have to make an effort if you want to see these. Yeah, you're going to have to really hunt this down. And sure, these aren't passively cool watches that we would normally talk about on this show, but... But I'm okay. I'm okay every once in a while picking out a watch that's really cool. Now, another reason that when they did the date, they put it outside the small seconds is because they don't want anything to interfere. But for the small seconds and the minutes crossing each other once per... you know, hour or crossing each other's paths once per hour. Everything is in its own zone on this watch. And I just think that is terrific. Obviously, besides the central date and the minutes which share opinion, I think this watch is incredible.
Andrew Yeah, the stack of hands and moving parts on the dial is really impressive.
Everett Yeah. And, you know, it's sort of almost like silly to talk about dimensions in a watch like this because that's just not. But I will just say dimensionally, I think this watch is nearly perfect as well.
Unknown Yeah, it's good.
Everett Yeah. You know, with a watch like this, I would be comfortable if they wanted to give me 40 or even 41. But they went with 38. And I got to say, I think that's a really good decision.
Andrew Oh, it's the perfect size for a watch like this. Yeah.
Everett Yeah.
Andrew Because it like almost makes it more of a fuck you watch. Right. If this is a 44 to just really highlight all the decadence that's happening. Yeah. You expect it. But to do it at 38 is like, nah, we're just going to do it like really, really good. Yeah.
Everett This comes in a black and a gray, like gray on black, so primarily black with gray, but also a blue on white.
Andrew The blue and white is just fire.
Everett And for me, I'm a black. I think the black dial is better. So obviously, there you go. They're both really good.
Unknown Yeah.
Everett Yeah. All right. That's all I have to say about that. I know that's a weird watch that I've talked about so much, but it was the type of watch that the more I read, the more I was like... Yeah. Yeah.
Andrew Which doesn't always happen, right? No. Often when you read more about it, you're like, oh, fuck you. It's like when you read the entire Grand Seiko story about how they came up with this new color that you've seen a dozen times and just has a new name. Yeah. Like at the end of it, I'm like, I don't even want to see this watch anymore.
Everett And, you know, and I'll just say, I know like Glashuta and I know Lange, you know, are similarly thoughtful with their watch designs. And so I don't mean to suggest that they're not, but I think the thoughtfulness behind this watch just connected with me in a way where I was like.
Andrew Well, it's coming from such a different place. Yeah. Right. This isn't coming from a massive, not even a massive, but a big, you know, storied company with legacy and heritage. This is. This is kind of new development, new design. It's interesting to see, like, cutting-edge technology mashed up with really, really classic design.
Everett Yeah. And I will say, this watch feels to me... So, Beneron is a Swiss company. This watch feels to me like German design. That might be wrong. So... I will just say, for the record, this felt to me like a German watch coming from a Swiss house. But maybe that's wrong. Feel free to let me know if my feelings about that. I don't know enough about this type of watch to speak on that confidently.
Andrew Yeah, let Will know. He'll discipline us.
Everett Or send us a DM, because I'd be curious to learn more about this.
Andrew I'm really glad I get to dovetail fun case sandwiching with that. Echo Nutra, the Avro 42. You know, the watch itself, it was kind of like... I saw it, I liked it. What I really liked is this cool technology they're using to reinforce their ceramic cases in these 42 millimeter releases they have. What they've done is they've created a titanium core and then coated it in ceramic. They're calling it the, hang on, I should find what it is. tie frame. So it's a grade two titanium skeleton that holds the movement dial and like all the shit on the inside and then runs to the lugs and then is coated with a ceramic case. So you get kind of the best of both worlds of ceramic with the structural integrity of. also ultra lightweight, titanium, supporting all your stuff. So theoretically, if your ceramic shatters, that can be fixed. They can drop a new shroud. Because if you look at the underside of the case... Do they say that in the marketing? I don't know, but when you look at the case design, look at the back of the case in these photos. I think it's fused. It could well be, but if you look at this case back, it looks like in theory you could repair, maybe not repair, but replace the ceramic. Or at the very least, you're not going to lose everything.
Everett Well, certainly that is the case, right? Even if it cracks, your watch is still going to be... Your watch is still going to be... What's the word?
Andrew Functional. Intact. Intact, yeah. You're not just going to have a movement in pieces on the ground.
Everett Well, and I understand it's also quite a bit cheaper than... This construction is quite a bit cheaper than a full ceramic case, too. Yeah, so... So better and... Pricing on these... Oh, shit. Um... It's like 2,000 and 1,000.
Andrew Yeah. So we have a mechanical chronograph using the... Yeah, $2,000, and then under $1,000 for the three-hander. It's the SW510, I think. Yeah, it's a 510. The three-hander is an SW200. It's 10.5 thick, and the three-hander's great. I'm not a super fan of the logo at the 12 o'clock, and I don't know why, but I really like this as a field watch. look it's got that like murdered out kind of feel but with some steel accents in the crown uh and the chronograph is i want to say 13 ish oh 14.6 thick uh with the sw510 mechanical movement which is forgivable given that it's a fully mechanical chronograph uh I think it's a really exciting release. Like we're just seeing cool shit happen in the sub $2,000 zone this week. Uh, and with this, uh, tie frame skeleton supporting a ceramic case. I think that's cool shit. These don't, these don't come on a bracelet. Uh, they just have their rubberized straps on them, but I think nailed it in the way of like cool, like tactical kind of feeling sort of street wear and, Yeah. Yeah.
Everett You know, I read Zach Kazan's write-up on this. And you know what's funny? I know Zach. We've met several times and I've messaged with him, but I don't really know Zach. No, and he does not like you very much. It's probably true. But I feel like because of the Warner World podcast that I know Zach really well. And so when I read his comments, I'm like, oh, yeah.
Andrew People feel that way about us, too.
Everett Yeah, I know. It's a funny... So anyway, when I read his comments on this watch, he mentioned that last year he had kind of struggled with this brand in a way that was resolved by his review of last year's Riviera watch, which is... We talked about it in the show. It's Echo Nutra's tank watch, which I thought was beautiful, but... I remember my feelings on that watch where I really struggled to understand this brand. And I feel the same way now. I just don't understand what they're doing. Everything about this material, like you said, is really cool. But the watch itself, I just don't get them.
Andrew Oh, yeah, they don't fit into a family or a design language, or it's sort of like they're just sitting in a room throwing shit at the wall. I'm like, oh, finally. Yep, I like that. Let's do it. They're not grounded in a thing.
Everett And they're making odd decisions, too. You know, there's nothing like this watch from design perspective. Neither of these watches is... all that adventurous.
Andrew No.
Everett So they're sort of like boring. That's kind of why I like them. They're sort of boring, and they're big. And so we've got this really neat material innovation that's been incorporated into a watch that I'm just so disinterested in. I'm with you, though, that the size, the three-hander here is of the two, the more sort of... like acceptable. I don't mean acceptable. They're both good. Um, I just, I'm like, why, why not make these, why not use this tech on cooler watches? And maybe this is as cool watches are capable of making, in which case I'm like, I don't know. I, That's super – that's like one of those like super like rude comments that we try not to make about smaller brands especially. But I just don't get it. I wish that this material had been used on a watch that was more – you want to make a big watch? Make a big watch. I'm fine with that. But make an interesting watch. You want to make a boring but small watch? I'm maybe – like if you're going to go boring – like at least match the current sizing trends.
Andrew Yeah. For the, for the three hander, they should have probably gone like 38 or 40 and they could have kept it just as thin. That's right. I think for the chronograph though, 42 is a perfect size. I'm okay with that. No, even at like, you know, 15 thick.
Everett I'm with you, Andrew. I'll accept.
Andrew Cause the chronographs money, it kind of has like Orfina feels to it, but like not. I accept.
Everett And obviously they just like bigger watches. That's. And, and so that is what it is. Yeah. And the prices are good. I mean, the prices are great considering what you're getting. Yeah, you're getting a cool technology advancement. I still just don't quite understand the brand, I guess, is what I would say about that.
Andrew Yeah, I don't get it either. They're in puberty, man. They're figuring out who they are.
Everett Hermes HO8. Ooh, yeah. We've got this. We've got two new versions of the Hermes HO8. Hermes is a really, really interesting watch brand, I think, right? Clearly, they're not a watch brand. They're a brand that makes overpriced highs. With that said, they fall in with... you know, Chanel or Cartier.
Andrew Yeah, they're a jewelry maker. Like they're a high fashion, like, and they've been making watches for a long fucking time.
Everett So, so Hermes has chops. I think what I love about the HO8 is that it is perhaps uniquely, uniquely so in the world of things that Hermes makes. It is pedestrian in a way that I love. I love how pedestrian this is. And that is nowhere as evident as it is in the... like, for instance, strap to watch connection, there is nothing special here. No, it's perfect. It's a spring bar connection. So this, I get, you know, people bring up a lot of different brands when they talk about this watch. This feels to me like it's like a Bell & Ross.
Andrew style it's like bell and ross meets cartier yes it's it's like a br05 and a santos had a weird night at the drive-in and and this is what the results were
Everett So the HL8 is not a new watch. I know that Hermes has a 25% stake in Voucher, which is the movement manufacturer. So they're using technically in-house movements. And this movement is a really, really wonderful movement. With details that I was just hovered over and now can't find. We'll come back to that.
Andrew It's so beautifully decorated. So it's a 50-hour power reserve. There we go. The Hermes H is etched into the entirety of the visible plating and rotor. Yeah, the H1837 caliber made by Voucher.
Everett Yeah, it's a really cool movement and it's thin, which means that they can make this watch relatively thin. They don't say it, but I think it's about 11 from prior reviews. And that comes from, it's like 10.8, and that comes from this 3.7 millimeter movement.
Andrew With 100 meters of water resistance. That's right. This is kind of like a fucking baller of a sport watch.
Everett They're full titanium, and they've just released these two new editions both with a titanium-colored dial. It's a blasted and then coated dial with... these numerals that have nickel plating and the whole thing is so much different than anything else that exists in the world. We've got, we've got brushing, we've got blasting and the blasting is not obnoxious. And the feature I like the very most is as you get to the outside of the dial, it curves up towards the crystal. It's not a rehot. It's not separate. The dial itself actually curves up like an old, like a plate. Like a plate or perhaps it reminds me of like there's a 60s style of construction where in kitchens the linoleum curved up under the recess of the counters. I remember this. I just think it's lovely. And I can't think of this existing on another watch.
Andrew So these are full- And it curves fully up because then you get that exposed flat edge where the markers are applied.
Everett Yes, yes. So what we have is this perfectly sized 39 by 39 square cushion case titanium watch with a beautiful, weird one-off dial, great specs. In-house Voucher movement, good, beautiful Voucher movement, which comes on either titanium bracelet or these textile straps get the bracelet. And that from Hermes, which is one of the biggie fashion design houses for under a grand.
Unknown Yeah.
Everett This is like sin pricing. It's fantastic.
Andrew It is a direct competitor. I think the Cartier Santos medium comes in at $7,100 right now. These are sitting at $7,200 on a bracelet. No, it's cheaper than the Cartier, isn't it? No, I think the Santos is 7,100 bucks right now. Okay. Oh, I thought the Santos was more. They've gone up and there's a bunch of panic buying going on because Cartier has announced that they're going to do some pretty significant price increases. I saw somebody with the black DLC one and I was like, oh, fuck. because it turns out i really like it in black too uh the the blue saint saint seer uh which is like a two-tone titanium case um is a little bit more it's 7600 us money uh i wish that came on a two-tone titanium bracelet because that would be fucking fire and i would liquidate everything and buy that
Everett I do understand that the issue with these and with all HOAs is availability. So they're not easy to find. And, of course, you can go to the website if you're basic like me. But I understand it's difficult to buy these through traditional means. Look at this.
Andrew So if you could put that on that two-tone titanium bracelet. Yeah.
Everett I don't think you can do the blue. The Saint Seer doesn't come on a bracelet.
Andrew No, I know. But I'm saying if they could take that bracelet and do the center links in that kind of gun metal-y two-tone. Oh, my God.
Everett Yeah. Hoo! It's a really good watch, and I found myself slightly surprised at how much I liked it. Both now and the last time we talked about this, which I think was two years ago, I think it's a bit of a sleeper, and I love that. That's why I really love sleeper watches.
Andrew Well, it's kind of like the Octo Finissimo, right? It's this watch that is like, it doesn't hit the top of mind ever. But then when you actually look into it and think about it, you're like, oh, this is maybe kind of perfect.
Everett Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. That's right. I like this better than the Octo Finissimo myself.
Andrew Yeah, I mean, I do too, for obvious reasons. Just saying, just saying. But yeah, it's really good. And I never would have thought of myself as somebody who's like, oh, I like Hermes watches. And every time I see these.
Everett Are you going to say Hermes? Because if you do, I'm going to think bad things about it.
Andrew No, I'm fancy. Okay. Okay. It's French. Okay. Hermes. That's a Greek god. That's a different part of the world. Carry on. Okay. Where are we at?
Unknown You know, I'm not done.
Andrew Uh, Oh, I want to talk about, I know we've talked about this brand before. Sega, Sega design. Yeah.
Everett We have like the first half of cigarette.
Andrew Yeah, C-I-G-A has introduced a single hand, the remarkable Moonwalker. And this thing, so as you look at this article and you read through it and you look at the photographs of this watch, you're just absolutely smitten. So this is a big old bitch of a watch with the, you know. 70% of the interior of the dial being this micro laser applied textured representation of the moon that because of the micro lasering that they do, it's like an accurate 3D mapping of the surface of the moon. And that just in and of itself, like... is fantastic the single mark or a single uh hand on the watch is neil armstrong on the moon kitted up kitted up in well because he's on the moon so he's you know in the spacesuit reaching toward the heavens with two um rotating discs on the outside for your minutes and hours and i think if you're wearing this watch you just don't give a shit what time it is it's legible you can read it it works But that's not why you're wearing this.
Everett It's not going to be the most intuitively legible watch.
Andrew It's not intuitively legible. This is a circular case with hidden lug strap attachments underneath it.
Everett Yeah, it's like a UFO, a pebble UFO case.
Andrew Yeah, a not fully recessed crown, but a pretty recessed crown into it. Here's where you're getting really exciting for me. So because it's a 3D representation of the surface of the moon, at the exact coordinates that Neil Armstrong's first blueprint was left on the moon, they have this micro laser engraving of his footprint on the moon that though visible with a naked eye, it says that you should probably use a loop to be able to really see it. It is like the silliest, coolest shit ever. And as you're reading about this watch and looking at it, you're like, oh man, this is going to be like ridiculously expensive because it's silly, right? This is like a novelty watch that doesn't really make a lot of sense. The movement on it is a CD-09. It's based off of a Sellita 200. 50 meters of water resistance these are only 1700 bucks it's a 46 by 46 17.05 thick with the big domed sapphire crystal titanium case back titanium case just like an overall really fun watch that when you, when you take into the sum of its parts at only 1700 bucks feels like a steal.
Unknown Hmm.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. No, I'm with you. I think, I think that's right. I would, you would expect this watch to be more money.
Andrew Love it. Deploy it. A rubber strap. Love it. This is super fun.
Everett Yeah, I'm with you, Andrew. I think it's really cool. It's got a display back.
Andrew Needless. It has the moon on the front.
Everett Well, the movement is just really... It's a weird... It looks like a... Like an SKX movement, or like a Seiko movement, which I thought that was weird. Turning this thing over as cool as it is, I was like, why is that movement so trash? But, I mean, it's not trash. It's just not pretty.
Andrew No, it's not a decorated SW200. All the work that went into the nano lasering of the moon map on the surface.
Everett Is that what the CD09 is? Yeah, it's a SW200.
Andrew Okay.
Everett I don't like it. I don't care. No, I don't like the movement, but no, I like the watch. I think it's really cool. I like the watch. I don't like the movement. Sorry, just to be clear. That wasn't a comment about everything.
Andrew Although it is still $1,700 for a pure novelty watch, I feel like this is something that you'd get as a retirement gift for somebody retiring from NASA.
Everett Yeah. A couple, so what do we got? We'll do one more, two more?
Andrew Okay. Okay, so I don't really care about anything else.
Everett Okay, so I'll do a quick speed run. So Recents released a new Type 9, this time with a salmon dial and a polished bezel full of... Polished titanium fluted bezel. And it's interesting. It's expensive. It's 20 grand. And they're probably hard to get. Gosh. Look at the lines on this case profile. I know. It's epic.
Andrew It is.
Everett It's a really cool watch. It's like watch erotica. Papar introduced. It's a pap smear. The cenote. This is... Okay, okay. It'll be in the... Andrew will link this in the show notes. I probably won't. Look at it. It's a weird watch. It's interesting. They're affordable-ish. The thing I liked about this is the... So there's a loomed dial version of this. And the lume is applied in an ombre. So the watch itself during daylight is not gradient. The watch looks just like a sort of tan dial, but it's full lume. And at night, the lume shows up in an ombre.
Andrew Oh, I saw. You heard the sound I made looking at it. okay so that's that's interesting also um panerai what's that watch brand that had the super hard angle they had like a shark hunter dive watch they did like all titanium shit starts with a b i think it starts with a b is this the shark hunter brand yeah with the sharks on the dials yeah that's what it reminds me of that i can't remember
Everett Yeah, and I know what you're talking about.
Andrew Super hard angle.
Everett Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It'll come to me.
Andrew I want to say Beskar, but I know that's not what it is because Beskar's from Mandalorian.
Everett Xander had one with an embossed shark dial. Panerai released, so when Panerai first became publicly available, they released two watches to the public, a Luminor and what was the other one? I can't remember. It wasn't the, they call it the Mare Nostrum. Helson. Helson, yeah, that's a B. But at the same time that they did that, they also released a watch that was exclusive to the Italian military. And it's the 5218 slash 202. That watch has been sort of a bit of an object of obsession over the years because... It was the one you couldn't get, despite Panerai having been around for 100 years and you couldn't get any of them. That watch in particular, you couldn't get because it was only sold to members. So they have released that to the public now, and it's cool. They made the decision to loom the... So when this watch was released, it was all tritium, but the lacquer on the dial made the tritium on the dial...
Andrew age differently and so they perhaps leak they've replicated that with this and I don't love it but it is a full black PVD 44 millimeter original OG Luminor re-release and it's cool I wish I liked the Panerai because they're such a cool brand like the history of the brand is really cool the design is interesting it just doesn't speak to me or I wish I had enough money to just be like drop $8,000 on a watch that I'm just like medium about
Everett Hold on. This is for Luke. I said Mare Nostrum. It's Mare Nostrum. Okay. And I know that, Luke. I know that. I'm sorry. No, I'm with you. I think this is a cool release. I don't have much else to say about it. But take a look. I wish they had, I wish they would just given us all white. I wish they didn't give us the fake loom on the fake aged loom. And then finally, and this is the last watch I think we should talk about, unless you have one more. But Seiko finally, finally gave us a new 9SA4 dress watch, which instead of titanium, now we've got a steel case, which should be stunning because titanium is really hard to do well. And Seiko really actually does much better, I think. at Finishing Steel. If you don't remember, these were a few years back, Seiko released the SLGW002 and 003 at Watches and Wonders, which were these mechanical dress watches in these 39 millimeter case that were sub 10. hand wise hand wine sub 10 dress watches but both of them were in titanium and we're i remember you and i were kind of like what are they doing they finally released those that in steel it's the slgw 007 same case except steel so we've got sub 10 38 6 45 lug to lug and it's got a really good dial i it's a high texture dial i know it's grand cycle it's gonna be birch in the moonlight right I just, yes, I just wish that this dial was flat. If this dial was flat, I'd be like, you guys, Grand Seiko did a cool thing. They did do a cool thing.
Andrew There's no power reserve indicators. So we have, we have improvements. Yeah, that's true.
Everett Yeah, that's true. It's a really, it's a really beautiful watch and it's 10 grand, which I think is. It's Grand Seiko money. It's Grand Seiko money. It's a high beat 36,080 hour watch. hand wine, mechanical Grand Seiko that comes in at under 10 millimeters. Okay. This is perhaps. That's a $10,000 watch. This is perhaps the nicest Grand Seiko you can buy. I think. I'm just going to say that. The nicest. And when I say nice, I mean like just the most luxurious, beautiful, wonderful watch. I think this thing is stunning. And that's all I have to say about it. Andrew, other things. What do you got?
Andrew Oh, I have another thing. So I've been on a bit of, and we discussed this, that I was on a bit of a sausage kick. And something, and we talked about it because it was at my, it was on my counter for several days and came over and were like, you do that? So when I like first introduced my like. making like cased sausages. I was just using the KitchenAid mixer and grinder combination attachment with the little nozzle. The problem with the attachments for your KitchenAid is that the hopper can only hold like... six ounces of meat at a time so if you're trying to like case any amount of sausage it takes forever like you have to pull directly from the freezer like by the time you're actually getting through your your inventory of of stuff it's our it's warm it's starting to get gummy and then you're starting to run into issues with grinding um So a few years ago, I bought an actual sausage stuffer. So I got the Cabela's six pound, they call it the heavy duty sausage stuffer. Sure, sure. Yeah. As you do. As one does at Cabela's. And I got to say, so this is, it's not small, right? It's a metal cylinder that can hold up to six pounds of stuff. Ground meat. Yeah, it's big. With a big, I think like cast iron and steel metal frame. So it lives in a huge box. And my wife not infrequently bitches about like, why do you have this huge box? I'm like, well, you love my sausage. Anyway, so these are $170 at Amazon. If you do... If you have any interest, any desire to like try casing your own ground meats, this you must have an actual sausage stuffer. You can get by with the KitchenAid grinder attachment. I think my next acquisition is going to be like a proper like a standalone meat grinder. OK, but you can get by with your KitchenAid attachment. You will not. be able to get by without an actual stuffer. It's a game changer. You go from casing two or three links at a time and then having to stuff and case and stuff and case to... You're just spitting these things out. Yeah, I had a 10-foot-long hot dog on my counter last weekend filling this up. And you had some of those hot dogs. That's true. And they turned out really good. I did, yeah. I think I needed to grind a little bit more, get them a little bit more emulsified.
Everett You know, I don't know, Andrew. I will say, so the hot dogs were really good. The sausage, the Italian sausage is maybe not, I'm not sure. It's not smooth enough. It's not fatty enough. There's something about it.
Andrew Yeah, I think my fat content was a little bit off on it. Okay. I mean, it's delicious and I ate the fuck out of all of them. Yeah. The fat content ratio is really hard to work with when you don't have lean pork, lean beef, and then standalone fat when you're trying to use pork shoulder or chuck. You're kind of like estimating. It's variable, yeah. Yeah, your marbling estimates are a little bit variable.
Everett Well, what I will tell you is I've got a ton of respect for the process, especially seeing you sort of like grind your way through it, for lack of a better term. But yeah, it's been nice not to have to do any work and just to eat sausages and hot dogs on a pretty regular basis.
Andrew Because you can't make, you know, four links. You've got to make 10 pounds at a time. Right. So last week, I think I made like 30 pounds of various kinds of sausage.
Everett Love that. Yeah. I actually love that because I always get some. There is a book that is my other thing for the week, and it's called... Someone you can build a nest in. It's a 2024 novel written by John Wiswell. I feel confident in that. Out of the United States. It was the 2024 Nebula Award winner for the best novel, which is why it was on my list. And I think it was also a finalist for the Hugo. I always try to read through the finalist for the Hugo. I used to be, there was a couple of years where I was pretty religious about it. And then I think I, I like, I had some bad hits there, some books that I was just like, this isn't for me. So I'm a little bit more selective now. Um, I'm reading the plot right now. It is so weird. Yeah. It is the weirdest. But what I will say is it's also charming. It is about a shape-shifting monster who uses the bones of the people she has eaten to form her body. And she... and she falls in love with a human. She's rescued and falls in love with a human and, uh, decides that person is the person she should lay her eggs in. Uh, which sounds like, uh, typical sex. And I assure you it's not, uh, it is, it sounds bizarre and it is bizarre. And it's also this really charming and fairly wonderful book. Uh, Anyway, I sort of raced through this thing because it was so good and I was really excited and just wanted to read, read, read, read. And I love it. I don't want to say too much more about it because obviously there's some problems with the makeup. And I will say that the person that are... protagonist falls in love with the woman our protagonist falls in love with is from a royal family who have been known as monster hunters specifically hunting the protagonist of the story so there's some tension some built-in tension almost so obvious that it's absurd. The tension is like, and the author does a really good job with sort of beating you in the face with the absurdity over and over and over again. It's wonderful. It is a really terrific book and it's like nothing else you've ever read. And which is what makes it, which is what made it a Hugo finalist. That's right. That's right. And the nebula winner. Yeah. So love it. That's my other thing for the week. It's a good one. Andrew, anything else you want to talk about before we go? No, I'm out of things. All right. Well, hey, you folks at home, I want to thank you for joining us for this episode of 40 in 20, the Watch Clicker podcast. Do me a favor. Go to the website. It's watchclicker.com. It hasn't changed. If you want to follow us on social media, you can do that on Instagram primarily at watchclicker or at 40 in 20 underscore watchclicker. And that's where we post photos of watches that we're wearing and updates about things we're doing on the website. If you would like to support us, and oh boy, we hope you do, you can do that on patreon.com slash 40 and 20. Both Watch Clicker and the 40 and 20 podcast get almost all of their support through Patreon. So if you've been listening for a long time or even a couple of weeks and you've never dropped a buck, consider going to patreon.com slash 40 and 20 and kicking us one or two or three or $20 a month. And don't forget to tune back in next Tuesday for another hour of watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like.