Paulin Gets Philosophical (356)

Published on Mon, 25 Aug 2025 22:19:42 -0700

Synopsis

In this episode of the 40 in 20 Watch Clicker podcast, hosts Andrew, Everett and others discuss several new watch releases and industry news. They review new models from various brands including Pollen's first dive watch the Mara, H. Moser's collaboration with digital art collective Azuki, Chrono Tokyo's new vermilion chronograph, Orient's Stretto 75th Anniversary Collection, and new releases from Oris, Micro Mill Spec, and Timex. The hosts provide detailed technical specifications and their opinions on the designs, pricing, and market positioning of these watches. Beyond watches, they also discuss whiskey tasting, video gaming (specifically Red Dead Redemption 2), and cooking equipment, with one host particularly excited about a new stainless steel Rondeau pan he purchased.

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Andrew	Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to 40 in 20, the Watch Clicker podcast with your hosts, Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here, we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, how are you?
Unknown	I'm great. Just great.
Unknown	I'm doing really well.
Everett	Yeah. Today was Monday. Mm-hmm. Which is just always a little annoying.
Unknown	Yeah.
Everett	It's a little annoying that after the weekend they expect me to go back to that place.
Andrew	Well, you expect you to go back to that place. I think probably your... Yeah, that's true. Your employees have no expectation of your return.
Everett	You bring up a reasonable point.
Unknown	But yeah, I'm doing well.
Everett	Andrew, how are you?
Andrew	I'm okay. I've had a really weird week. I had a... A death in the family. So I've been bouncing around the region dealing with stuff. And there was like a whole, you know, the typical family turmoil that goes along with when people die. And I got a little bit of a weird bug. I think it was like more a function of just like dealing with so much. But I like yesterday. feeling good, totally fine, making sundae sauce and pasta. And I text you, I'm like, hey, you want to come over for dinner? Everyone's like, yeah, come on over for dinner. And at like 5.50, my body just shut down. And I was like, oh, I'm done. And I was able to like muster 10 more minutes to get everything prepped. And I went to bed and slept for 12 hours. Still not 100%, but definitely improved. So yeah, just a weird, a weird week since last we spoke.
Everett	Yeah, no, you know, I think some days you're just like, I'm tired. Yeah. For no good reason, I'm tired. Yeah, you know, as we get older, you know, I'm in my 40s, right? I'm in my mid-40s now. It's just like little things, man. I go to the doctor and like... They're like little things that happen. It's like this is you now. You know, this is like an old person thing. that is now part of your life.
Andrew	Cause it's, it's happening to me as a young person.
Everett	So, uh, yeah. And I mean, you know, little things like that, like, like, Oh, I've got some like permanent degradation in my spine. And you know, I've got, you know, it's just like, yeah, here we are. I'm not young anymore. I am. I'm not young anymore.
Andrew	I am young still.
Everett	Yeah.
Andrew	I mean, sure. Yeah, sure. I'm not. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So just kind of a long, a long week. But I'm happy to be here. Yeah. Happy to be talking about watches.
Everett	Yeah, I'm happy to talk about watches too. I felt like Andrew, I saw you were just about to say something. I'm sorry. I felt like this week I was like genuinely interested in watches, which doesn't always happen. I know that sounds a little like, I don't mean that in a bad way. I mean, just some weeks I'm like, I'll prep for the show and we'll talk about that. Like this week I was like...
Andrew	Like prepping for the show was a byproduct of what you were already doing. Yeah.
Everett	Yeah. Which is nice.
Andrew	I was doing show prep and I found I was just like kind of unenthused by a lot of it. So the opposite. Yeah. I had a very, very opposite week. I'll also mention that this, I had that pasta and sauce for dinner tonight. Yeah. The whole suite of things. That turned out really good.
Everett	Yeah. Yeah. No, the food you cooked and didn't eat last night was really good. Yeah.
Andrew	I ate it. The real winner was the focaccia bread, though.
Unknown	So good.
Everett	Yeah, just in case you guys didn't catch the end of that story, my entire family did come over and have dinner with Andrew's family, minus Andrew, because he went to sleep.
Andrew	I was upstairs and in a light coma. Maybe even a heavy coma, because nothing woke me up.
Everett	So quickly, we are drinking a special whiskey tonight.
Andrew	Mm-hmm. It's called Waterloo Blackberry Lemonade Sparkling Water. Wow. And I saw that as a little palate cleanser.
Everett	And we are drinking also Calumet 100th Anniversary 18-Year Whiskey, which is, suffice to say, special. If you know what that is, you know that's a special whiskey and that's what we're drinking tonight.
Andrew	Special.
Everett	A little bit. I don't think we'll drink a ton of it. Or maybe we'll just get weird on it.
Andrew	Let's get weird. Stranger things have happened.
Unknown	Andrew, do you have any druthers on how to lead this show off tonight?
Andrew	Yeah, you know what? I'm going to start with a brand that I'm not sure that we have talked about. I think we've talked about all of these brands. Pollen? We've talked about Pollen. I don't recall it, which is not to say we haven't. I don't recall talking about Pollen. But they have released their first edition of a dive watch named the Mara. Pollen is a Scottish brand bringing a lot of Scottish narrative and language and design ideas into their... Sister brand of Anardane. Mm-hmm. And now I'm remembering why we've talked about them. Um, and so here, here we have it. We have the, the pollen Mara. It is a, uh, 39.7 by 13, five thick 48 lug to lug stainless steel, 300 meters of water resistance, flat Sapphire crystal. We do have a 20 minute, 20 millimeter lug width on here. Lays you parade G one-on-one movement. Um, Just from the spec sheet alone, I'm really, really excited. And these are coming in at $1,650. And then there's some things I'm confused about. The design is familiar in a lot of ways to a lot of watches in this space. They've incorporated their own stuff. But this is a familiar, really palatable, I think a really good entry into the pro-spec dive watch space. At a reasonable price. Everything we're getting out of it is perfectly... acceptable and i think that is what maybe bums me out is i wanted it to be i want something from a brand like this to be a little bit more than merely acceptable right? Is that, is that an unfair thing to say? I appreciate they're not using Salida, right? That's a, that's a big win, right? They're using the, the LGP one-on-one, which is awesome. And that's going to drive you up market into about this price range. The rest of the watch though, was just kind of, you know, it doesn't come on a bracelet. It's just kind of is.
Everett	Yeah, I mean, I think that it's subdued by pollen standards, right?
Andrew	Maybe that's what I'm trying to grapple with here.
Everett	You know, we're getting a lot of the same things that I think of when I think of pollen, which is to say, you know, shapes and fonts and... you know, we've got this sort of scholastic vibe, this sort of what I'd consider like a 1980s art vibe. We're getting all of that. But I think to your point, Andrew, this feels a little bit more clinical than what we're used to with Paul. I'm okay with it. I think they've done a really good job. I'm not offended by any of it. Of marrying the principles. And although I don't think this is, it's not instant. You don't see Paul in the second you look at the watch, but the second second you look at the watch, you see it, right?
Andrew	Yeah, I see it. Now I'm looking back at the rest of their catalog and I see it.
Everett	Yeah, and I don't think Paulin's ever done a bracelet. And also, I'm not sure Anardane's ever done a bracelet. So first, I've watched for either company here. And to me, no surprise, we're not getting a bracelet. I think it's pretty fun. I'm with you. The movement's right. I think the size is great.
Andrew	Dome sapphire bezel, which adds this really great texture to the top-down view. Tons of texture. This looks playful.
Everett	it does it does because of the material differences across the watch i think that they've done a great job making a serious dive watch out of this aesthetic right i think their brand more than anything is an aesthetic and i think that they've done a good job The rubber bracelet, I think, is great. On the review I read of this, it does appear that it projects straight out from the case and doesn't gently curve. And the reviewer, the Hodinkee reviewer that I read, was not fond. And that was Tong Tong Wang.
Andrew	Do you think that's just something it has to break in? It just needs a little bit of wear to soften?
Everett	I don't think... Maybe. Maybe. It doesn't look to me... It doesn't look to me... It looks to me like it's a byproduct of the way the brace or the strap... connects to the case right it's a curved and i don't think that's ever going to it's going to continue to come straight out it's never going to break down so it comes down on a relaxed way so it is a really cool rubber strap but i think that that would be that would be an annoying feature um But, you know, these are sort of minor quibbles. The textile strap it comes with is a recycled fishing net strap that is lined in Alcantara, which I think is pretty slick.
Andrew	I wonder where you buy recycled fishing nets. Like who's fishing those out of the water and selling them?
Everett	There must be an industry. There must be an industry.
Andrew	I feel like that'd be a cool job. Just go dive and pick up trash. Sounds cold. Yeah, especially up there. Yeah, I mean, I don't think my review is too harsh. I think I'm whelmed. Okay. I think I'm whelmed. You're whelmed. Yeah, I accept. I think it's a great addition into that price point and prospect diver space. But I'm whelmed.
Unknown	H. Moser. Okay.
Everett	NC. They introduced this week a collaboration, an effort with Azuki, which is a...
Unknown	Anime art film. I think I'm getting that right.
Everett	Digital art collective. That's what we're going to call them. Anime inspired digital art collective. They have a. Elementals NFT collection, which I didn't think element. I didn't think NFTs were still a thing. And maybe they're not. In any event, they've done a four piece. collection with moser and these are in the colors of fire earth water and lightning with four different dials which are each a different color and have a different combination of giosh and fume finishing These are all in the Pioneer center seconds rotating bezel dive watch-ish thing that Moser does, which is really a capable sport watch, but perhaps not an ISO dive watch. These are bizarre and really freaking cool. They come with Moser's... in-house, the HMC 200 automatic time-only movement. The watch is, I want to say 39 across, 11-4 thick, 47-7 lug-to-lug. Great, I mean, this is a really, really neat watch. But they're only making 24 pieces of each.
Andrew	So very much like an NFT release, a super limited, really exclusive. I think it fits really well with that niche. They are still a thing. I was reading while you were initially talking about the watch. NFTs are still a thing, but after the big crash, they're less a thing.
Everett	Okay, fair enough. These are... These are beautiful watches. They cost a bucket load of money, as you might imagine. They're making 24 of each color in each element. So earth, fire, water, lightning. But they're making 100 total watches. So they're making one of each color in their in-house tourbillon. which is, I can't remember what the movement is called, but it's the HMC 804. Yeah, that's right. And those are 75,000. So either 24,000 or 75,000. There is, Moser and Nizuki have put together a website where you can express interest, which does not guarantee you a watch. but you can register your interest if you would like one of these.
Andrew	I'm going to register my interest and just like hope they don't select me to buy it. Because if they do, I'm going to have to take out a second mortgage and obviously get the Fire Tourbillon. You know, I don't know who these watches are for. I don't either. The people who are still spending $25,000 to $75,000 on NFTs.
Everett	I, yeah, I mean, I kind of want one. If I had them, I mean, I just don't, this isn't something I would buy. I can appreciate it. I really, I like everything about these.
Andrew	You know, you say that, but if I had the money to buy this watch, I would have so much money, I wouldn't care what I spent it on.
Unknown	Well, there are people like that, I guess.
Andrew	But I don't know if this is for them. I think it's going to be for somebody. I think it's going to be for approximately 100 people. 100 somebodies are going to thoroughly enjoy it. And 120 meters of water resistance. I don't know if we mentioned that already. Yeah, these are pretty legitimate. Yeah, they're not novelties by any means. They look cool. I mean, the design on these dials is fantastic. Very Moser. Very, very, very, very Moser. Yeah. The dial design's great. Case shape's really good. These relief cuts that are coin-edged in it is fantastic. Looks kind of space-agey.
Everett	Yeah, these are cool watches. And it's just a great watch from Moser. Just that this model is a great model. And these are really neat dials, too. I don't know... I don't know if the Azuki collaboration, I don't care about that.
Andrew	I don't think that's going to land for most people.
Everett	But the Pioneer center seconds rotating bezel is a great watch. Yeah. And these are really cool dials.
Andrew	Yeah. And it was cool that they brought NFTs back to the top of mind. Thanks. For some of us. Thanks, Moser. Yeah, I know that's what they were really thinking about. Since we're talking about cool stuff that's kind of unobtainium, I want to talk about my next watch, which is not exactly unobtainium, but it kind of is at the same time. The Holthin Ricks Signature Ornament Lab Series 1.24. So this is a grade five titanium 3D printed case featuring a copper patina dial with 24 karat gold leaf inlaid in this really fantastic green patinaed copper. And it's cool. It's really cool. So it's a 38 and a half millimeter case, 9.85 thick, 7.8 without the crystal, 46 lug to lug. This is cool. Sellita 300 movement in it. Only 79 are being made, 5,900 euros. So now we've got the boring stuff out. These are, what are they calling these lugs? Sculpted lugs? uh yep sculpted lugs so these are twisted skeletonized lugs on this thing and it's just absolutely fascinating when paired with this gold leaf flaked dial like this all looks like a Like a ruin, almost. That's like you'd expect to see just kind of like hanging somewhere at the Colosseum. Not USC's Colosseum, but like the one in, you know, Europe. This is cool.
Everett	Yeah. I'd buy this. I'm into these. I want to say that we talked about these before. I would really like to see the process of these being made because I know it's like there's like a laser melting phase and then a milling phase. It's like a multi-phase. It's not like we think of a 3D printer, right, where you put in your...
Andrew	Oh, no, I'm sure it's just a titanium bar of filament. Yeah, that's right. No, it's a process, right? Yeah, I mean, to make sure that it's a cohesive, stable chunk of metal, they're having to do metallurgy at scale.
Everett	you know i i think something like this it's such a veblen good right but you would think i don't know they i would not be surprised at any price for this right no i i feel like 25 000 when i looked at this watch i was like oh it's gonna be that much but it's it's under 10 that's 6 000 euro yeah It's cool. I mean, I don't know if that's a good price or not. It's a modified Salida. Yeah, it's cool. It's cool. It's bizarre. There's no frame of reference for what this is, right? It's not like anything else that's ever existed.
Andrew	I feel like I've seen we've seen lugs like this before, but I can't say where.
Everett	Even the dial. I mean, the dial is so neat here, but it doesn't get it's hard to like. Yeah.
Andrew	This would be really cool to see in person.
Everett	It is a dial artist dial, by the way. Hand applied 24 karat gold leaf. So the domed copper dial is made by Holzenritz. And then 24 karat gold leaf is hand applied by the dial artist with the pad printing and floating hour marks. Yeah. This is cool. I think it's cool.
Unknown	It is cool.
Everett	Yeah. It's a little weird. Yeah, I mean, I just have so little frame of reference for what this thing is. It's cool. Yeah, you're right. Undeniably cool. Rooster leg leather.
Andrew	On the strap. I don't know what that means. I can't imagine it's actually from the rooster's leg. Might be.
Unknown	Chrono Tokyo made another watch that you can't get. Oh, perfect.
Everett	I was looking forward to that. So this one is Vermilion. If you don't know what Chrono Tokyo is, this is the sort of like secondary brand from Hajime Asaoka, who is probably the most celebrated independent Japanese watchmaker. This is his, like, affordable, accessible brand. We use Seiko and Miyota movements. And they're so affordable. They are relatively affordable. So they have a series of chronographs. And in this iteration, they are making a new chronograph. And it is a beautiful vermilion orange chronograph. So there is a story. about this color um supposedly what what they did is they took several paints pigments paints and put them on a dial covered half of that dial with some tape some electrical tape and stuck it in the sun for i don't know 50 days something like that Summer and winter, yada, yada, yada. And only two pigments, only two pigments survived without fading. So one of these was vermilion. The other was a selenium red. And they felt like these are two that will not fade. So that's the background on this color. It is... It's gorgeous, right?
Unknown	Mm-hmm.
Everett	That's what I think. It is gorgeous. These watches, the Chrono Tokyo automatic chronographs, are really stunning. They do a terrific job. These are watches that will cost you, if you can get your hands on one, like this is a 3,400 euro watch. Watch. However, you can only buy these.
Andrew	But if you say it in yen, it makes you feel much more luxurious.
Everett	Yeah, what is it? Almost 600,000. 598,950,000 yen. These are only available in Tokyo and Shanghai boutiques. And you can only get one. it's a limited model not to be repeated um the details on this it's an ne86 movement which is a very cool movement uh vertical clutch column wheel chronograph 34 jewel beautiful seiko probably the coolest seiko movement they probably the coolest movement seiko makes it's the 8r46 And just tip to tail, this watch is stunning. The dial is stunning. The fonts are wonderful. The handset is, I mean, this is one of the nicest handsets you will ever see on a Seiko movement watch.
Andrew	Is there like a... The the curvature of the minute hand is fascinating.
Everett	Yeah. No, I mean, they really Corona Tokyo does really, really beautiful watches.
Andrew	They're they're like almost like like cupped leaves stretching out from from the center.
Everett	Indeed. Yeah. You can't get this. Watch. No. Sorry, guys. You'll never even see one in person. You can't get it. So that's all. So don't get too excited. It's really beautiful.
Andrew	I don't want to talk about NFTs. Oh, what do I want to talk about next? Oh, I want to talk about Orient. Orient doing it again, as always. Getting it 95% of the way and then stepping in it.
Everett	I'm really curious to hear where you think they stepped in it. Because I also don't like this watch, but I'm curious to hear. So take it away.
Andrew	So the Orient Stretto 75th Anniversary Collection. There are six watches being released in honor of Orient's 75th anniversary collection. There are three watches that are coming out as limited edition Stretto models. There is the Day and Night with 2,500 pieces, the Stretto Semi-Skeleton, 2,800 pieces, and the Stretto Date, 2,900 pieces. They got that right. So the day and night is an interesting moon phase.
Everett	It's not really a moon phase.
Andrew	It's a day night phase, but it's sort of, it approximates, it looks like a moon phase. It's a $300 watch edition of a moon phase. Sizing on them is pretty acceptable. Hang on, I have to find them because this is kind of written in a weird way. Day and night, 41 and a half. semi-skeleton 40.8 and that's just an open worked wannabe looking tourbillon um the date is 38 and a half 50 meters of water resistance it's a great kind of gunmetal gray colored three-hander with a date case looks good it's all exactly what i want in a sub 500 watch Colorways are good on all three of these limited editions.
Everett	Yeah, the limited editions is sort of a purple, like a purple gray. Yeah, it's a beautiful color. And they've got that cursive. They don't have the Orient logo. They've got like a cursive. Yeah. The old logo they've been using for these 75th anniversary pieces.
Andrew	Yeah. Okay. And then the rest of the Stretto line. a metallic kind of sunbursty blue, a two tone sort of two tone with a silver white dial. Uh, the bezel and markers and hands and crown are all gold plated with, um, I don't even know what I would call that link. There's a horizontal gold bar in each of the middle links of the... It's not a gold bar. It's a kind of accent, yeah. And then a chocolatey dial with a rose gold. And they are all butts. So they have this great addition in the date version of the Stretto with a great color, really simple. And they make that their limited edition. They did make the most of it, of their limited editions, but then their permanent editions just suck, and that's where they stepped in it. Just make the one good one a permanent edition. Bums me out. But they're all under $500, and there's only so much complaining that I can do at that point, but the Stretto date is great!
Everett	Yeah, these are weird, Andrew. These are weird watches. So the Stretto is an existing watch in Orient's line. They've got a chronograph that they've sold prior to this. I think it is a relatively attractive case.
Andrew	It's a very orient... Under $500 case.
Everett	You've got sort of a twisted chamfer on the outside. I have to say, Andrew, I think that even for $500 or whatever these are coming in at, these look really bad. The dials on the limited editions all look okay. I think they all look nice even.
Andrew	Yeah.
Everett	the dials on the regular editions don't look good they do not look good and i don't mean subjectively i mean objectively they do not look well built um the case finishing we haven't seen real pictures of these yet but in the renders the case finishing is worrisome i would say yeah And the connection, the end link to mid-case connection is really very bad. It is very bad. These bracelets look miserable. Even in renderings. Everything here looks very, very bad.
Andrew	Nothing about this watch looks acceptable to me. They got 95% of the way. They had a great idea. Then they shit the bed and rolled around in it.
Everett	Andrew, I'm not even sure I would agree that they got 95%. I like these. I think that they got about 70% of the way there.
Andrew	These look like trash. I like the idea. I like the concept of this watch. I think if this is a round two... of your renderings before you go to prototyping, they're onto something. But instead, they just stamped approved and sent them to production.
Everett	Earlier this year, they released, I believe it was a UK exclusive, 75th anniversary, open heart, small second Snoopy Stretto. And I didn't mind that watch. It comes on a strap. It looks okay. It looks okay. But these, yeah, I've got a problem with this watch. I don't get it.
Andrew	No, just like most of what Orient does.
Everett	It feels to me like this is an opportunity. This space is an opportunity for Orient to make neat stuff. And I don't understand why Orient is making nothing neat. We have been saying it for years. The Bambino, the smaller Bambinos, I think are fun. But Orient is just not... In my mind, Orient is not making interesting watches.
Andrew	No, and they're not capitalizing on the space. Timex is capitalizing on the space, but Orient is just, like, whatever. Citizen's capitalizing on the space, and Orient is not.
Everett	And, you know, Orient's got a great movement. Yeah. The F6 movements are terrific.
Andrew	Yeah, it's... Orient has everything going for him and still shits in the bed. Oh, boy.
Everett	It's annoying. Yeah, this is such a weird watch. Yeah, I don't like that watch at all. I'm a little pissed about that watch.
Andrew	It's what I've come to expect. Couldn't even get mad about it.
Everett	Doc's a... is introducing a new sub 200, which I'm on record. Don't like the sub 200. Uh, but they're releasing this with a re with, uh, like a longtime retail partner art of time, which I don't know a lot about art of time. Obviously it's a watch retailer.
Andrew	Uh, but they've done a bunch of collaborations like, uh,
Everett	dealer specific releases i think do i think i think doxa likes that type of relationship well this is a sub 200 and they're calling it the dune and i will just say this is not the type of dial that i would normally be attracted to and somehow it's a watch i don't like in a in the type of a dial that i really don't often like and yet somehow this thing is really terrific There's nothing about this watch that would suggest I would like it. I'm telling you, you like the 200 if it bears anybody else's name. I don't like the 200, though. This is the first 200 I've ever seen that I was like, oh, this is nice. I believe that you like it. But this dial, look at this dial. It's an ombre dial. Don't like. It's a heavily textured sand textured dial. Don't like. It's got... Aged to loom, don't like, and yet somehow I am inclined to like this.
Unknown	I like this. Because it's good.
Andrew	It's really nice. The 200 is kind of a weird watch that I struggle conceptualizing fitting in Doxa's portfolio. I'm good with it, though. And I think this is a really good platform for doxa to be doing releases like this because it stays affordable. It's a, it's not the, I mean, it's not that affordable.
Unknown	It's 2000 bucks.
Andrew	Yeah, but you're not... I don't know. I think this is Doxa's best current platform for these type of one-off releases, collaborations, special editions. I think people are kind of over the 300 special releases. At least I am. Just the 300 and the 300T and all the variety of Clive Cusslers and... Jacques Cousteau's and some of them are cool, but by and large, I'm just kind of done with it. I think the 200 is the perfect platform for them to be doing stuff like this with.
Everett	So the case back on this Andrew is blued with laser induced oxidation. It's got like a picture. Anyway, it's cool.
Andrew	I'm trying to understand. I see where, yeah, like where is where we are in the world, but I'm, I'm trying to write it. Uh, Don't think about it too hard. No, I'm there. I think I've resolved it. I found Florida. What's next, buddy? Okay. Well, now I'm stuck on the picture. Who next up for me? We were just talking. You know what? Let's burn through this other limited edition. Oris is back with the Billion Oyster Project, and they're doing a new New York Harbor. One time I ate a billion oysters.
Everett	It was a rough night.
Andrew	Yeah, I believe it. Totally blew my, my line of thinking there. Uh, so it's a limited edition for the, uh, billion oyster project, which is a project aimed at re, um, not reintroducing at revitalizing the oyster population in the New York Harbor after I ate them all after Everett had a weird, like we're not allowed back into the New York Harbor after that incident. Uh, They have our pictures up and everything. I don't know why I got roped into it, but they have our pictures. They did one of these a couple years ago. They're doing another one. It's, again, another watch that's a perfect platform for these types of collaboration because it takes color really well. It's already, in the scheme of things, got a lot of vibrant colors, so this doesn't stand out as just a special edition. It just looks like... And Aquus. And it's a good color. It's this... Like kind of mother of pearl green with a matching rubber bracelet. It's... This is not a color for me, but this is a color that works really well on this watch.
Everett	Yeah, Aorus does really good... special run dials right i think that they've always they've always done a really good job with this type of watch and i'm with you i i don't love stone dials i don't love stone dials but if you do you like sand dials though i don't uh you know malachite I do not like, I've never seen a malachite dial I liked. We just talked about one in the last couple weeks that you liked. Yeah, it's the Ferra Integra. I don't like it.
Unknown	It's a nice color, but I would just never, I just don't like it.
Everett	There are mother of pearl dials that I do like. Yeah, they're out there. They are out there. Thus far, I've not seen a teal mother of pearl dial that I like. I've not come across many teal dials that I liked. Or perhaps aqua green mother of pearl.
Andrew	Is that what we're calling this?
Everett	I've not yet seen an aqua green mother of pearl dial that I liked. Let's say that.
Andrew	Yeah, I think this is a color improvement to the first one.
Everett	I actually really like that green they have on the first one. Oh, really? Yeah, I do.
Andrew	No, I prefer the The more bluey green.
Everett	There will be a link in the show notes to this. You should read about the project. This is really cool. Oris is... I think Oris is probably, of the companies that we talk about on a regular basis, one of the most legitimately dedicated on the world and the ocean's health in a way that I find appealing. It's not lip service. They actually put their money where their mouth is.
Andrew	And then you put your mouth where their money was.
Everett	Yeah. You should read about the project. It's a worthy mission.
Andrew	Thus far, in 12 years, they have been trying to restore oyster populations. They've restored more than 150 million into the New York Harbor.
Everett	which is a lot of fucking oysters. They, they basically are like installing houses for them.
Andrew	Yeah. They do.
Everett	Yeah.
Andrew	They're putting little concrete projects. They're putting projects in the New York Harbor. They ran out of earth to put it on. Oh, oyster Cabrini green.
Everett	Um, yeah. Cool. Watch. Uh, You know, the only other one I would like to talk about, Micro Mill Spec. We talked about these guys last year when they introduced their mill graph. And we were like, this thing's really cool and weird and we like it. It was a titanium sort of GMT chronograph thing that we were like, whoa. They're back. Has this really been a year? It's been a year. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. They're back. They're back. They've got two new watches. One of those is a micro, excuse me, one of those is a, so, so first, let me just say, Micro Mill Spec has been around for a while. They've been supplying militaries, law enforcement, first responders with watches privately for a number of years. Last year in August, they released their first available to the public watches, which was the Milgraph Black Dial. They have followed that up with... The second version of the mill graph, which is a frosty, icy, white dial, a polar, perhaps, white dialed mill graph. Once again, we've got a 200 meter titanium with a dive bezel chronograph watch with a GMT function that is super duper rad. Right? Is that all fair?
Unknown	Can we say all those things?
Everett	I really want one of these. So we've got a base 60 minute scale. on the rehab, we've got a 24 hour GMT scale. We've got three sub dials with a running seconds at three and small seconds. And then a 30 minute counter, uh, Very, very good-looking dial. Really interesting layout. Le Jouperet L121 caliber, which is an automatic column oil chronograph with a collar GMT function. 26 joules, 60-hour power reserve. It's got all the things. This is cool. This is cool. It's $3,500. In addition, we've also got a black dialed, no longer titanium, this time steel cased, black dialed GMT dual timer. And it's more subdued. This is a little bit less busy dial. We've got a date function and a GMT and a dual time bezel. And it's fantastic. Both watches are limited to $75. $75 a year.
Andrew	So it's not a full limited. It's just they have a limited production quantity annually. That's right.
Everett	But if you want one, you really need to get in line. The Pilot GMT has a SW330-2 GMT, which is the automatic... 330 flyer GMT function. Cool movement. This is a really cool watch. Both of these are cool watches.
Andrew	Have you seen pictures of the bracelet?
Everett	I have not.
Andrew	It says that there's a bracelet available for it.
Everett	I have not seen pictures. if you're interested in either of these, you just need to go to the website and put your name in because you're going to have a hard time getting one of these.
Andrew	These are, these are good. These are like a, a, a merit. Oh, the three link is good. Um, these are like a marriage of like marathon. Yeah.
Everett	2035 for the GMT dual timer.
Andrew	Like marathon meets tag Hoyer. meets kind of like a Breitling-esque functionality tools on your dial. This is a really cool brand. Doing like no bullshit, true specced watches.
Everett	They're cool. I'm with you, Andrew. They're expensive, but not crazy. And especially not for what you're getting.
Andrew	Yeah, and when we think of that titanium GMT chronograph... Who else does that? Nobody.
Unknown	And they look different than anything else. Yeah. And they look cool.
Everett	I love these watches. I want one.
Andrew	This is like the pro track on steroids.
Unknown	Hmm.
Andrew	What else you got? Oh, uh, I got, um, Oh, some Timex releases. So we have four new Timex releases, three Timex queues, and a Peanuts 75th anniversary Marlin automatic, which I could not even possibly care less about. Or frankly, even the Enigma. What got me excited was looking at, or not the Enigma, the... Doesn't matter. What got me excited was the two colorway releases of the Q Timex Enigma. One of them being this really great blue in this tonneau case that is just everything you want a Timex Q to be. And then a gold tone with a tiger's eye dial, which is fire.
Everett	Yeah, I mean, it makes me want to, like, unbutton my shirt halfway.
Andrew	Yes. $279 for that gold-tone tiger's eye, and I'm for it. Big-ass barrel of a case. I mean, tiger's eye is appropriate, but it looks like the wood paneling on every one of our grandparents' living room walls when we were kids. It is real tiger's eye. Yeah, they plucked it right out. That's where all the eyeballs went from that wildlife thing that they raided in southern Oregon.
Everett	What is Tiger's Eye?
Andrew	Is it just a stone? It's got to be some sort of... I have no fucking clue. It's wood paneling from a 1970s swingers home. They call it the Eye of the Tiger for a reason.
Everett	I actually do like the Enigma dial. This is gold with the black. I like this, but yeah.
Andrew	It's fine. The Tiger's Eye is where it's at. And the 75th anniversary Marlin is... like a silver dial with what should be small seconds or like maybe an open work that has just a 75 year logo with Snoopy sleeping on top of it.
Everett	Yeah. I did read. So the Enigma watches are day date. I did read a review of these, uh, where someone was lamenting the fact that the day is not a quick set. It's the date is, but the day is not, or it's, Or vice versa. I can't remember. These look just like a date. One of them was not a quick set, and so it was a long process. It's like doing the Voktok dance. You only wear it if it's set to the date yesterday. Well, Andrew, I've talked about all of the watches I would like to talk about tonight. Is there anything else you would like to talk about? I'm kind of over it. Okay. Well, in that case, other things. What do you got? We should drink some of this whiskey. I've had a couple little sips. Have you? I'm not yet. I've been a half, but not tonight.
Andrew	The nose has changed dramatically.
Everett	You guys counting at 18? Real good.
Andrew	I'm getting on the nose just pipe tobacco at this point.
Everett	Real good. I mean, oak cherry pipe tobacco leather.
Andrew	It smells like the leather pouch that my grandfather kept his pipe tobacco in.
Everett	Yeah. On the finish... So on the palate, it is... So hold on. Everything I'm going to say is going to sound bad. It is cigarette tobacco. It tastes like cigarette tobacco, which you're like, oh, that's bad. It's not. It is this like cherry cola... With a little bit of oak that like crests into this beautiful blonde drum cigarette tobacco.
Andrew	Yeah, like toasty throughout.
Everett	It is absurdly good.
Andrew	Yeah.
Everett	I mean, this is the best whiskey I've ever had. Yeah. And it should be.
Andrew	Yeah, it should be.
Everett	It should be. You know, I've really liked Calumet's Agestated. The 15 really good. The 16 really good. You know, I've recently had some George T. Stagg. Very good. Big fist to the face whiskey. I've had some Pappy's that were beautiful. This is in a really different way. Less dramatic than any of those. Mm hmm. It's not dramatic. It is just enjoyable.
Andrew	Yeah. Right? Yeah. I wouldn't want to have any more than this. I could drink this all night.
Everett	I could just drink nothing but this.
Andrew	Really?
Everett	Yeah. Yeah. This could be my go-to.
Andrew	If it didn't do the thing.
Everett	If it was a little bit more affordable, I could drink this just constantly. The tobacco is such a weird note. It's so prevalent, though. You don't think you're going to like it. At least I don't think I'm going to like it. And then I'm like, nope, I like it. I'm good with that. I like having you here. But it's so discreet. That is tobacco. Oh, gosh, this is really good.
Unknown	It is.
Andrew	Oh, I have another thing. It might actually even be a repeat other thing, and I'm not even going to bother to go back and check it.
Unknown	It's okay.
Andrew	So today, my wife and kids were out and doing stuff, and I was laying on the couch, and I didn't want to watch anything. And I decided to plug Red Dead Redemption 2 back into... my Xbox. So Red Dead Redemption 2, for those of you somehow unfamiliar, is a 2018 Rockstar release. Kind of... reminiscent of like Grand Theft Auto, very open world. There is like a main story narrative to follow through where you're following this 1890s gunslinger through his navigation of the world. But if you complete just the storyline, the main story, you're only like 25% of the way through the game. because of side missions and other side things to do and take care of. It is pretty hard just to complete the main storyline.
Everett	Also, like you'd have to really work hard to not do side quests.
Andrew	Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because there's so many. And they just fall on your lap. You're riding your horse down the trail. And you're like, you need me to go pick some flowers? I'm on it. Yeah, I'll go get those flowers for you. Or a dude comes out and is like, I'm a rattlesnake bit. What are you going to do? I'm like, oh shit, I guess I'm going to stop and help you. Or not. And it Has aged so well. Number one, the the the gameplay itself is is so beautiful. Right. This is huge. It's like a Kevin Costner movie.
Everett	Yeah.
Andrew	Huge landscapes. And a lot of times when you plug in an eight year old game, you get prairie, you get forest, you get desert mountains. Yeah. But you plug in an eight year old game and you and you start playing and you're like, God, this looks terrible. This is not that. This looks every bit as good as a game that would be released now. I had to start all the way over. Because I couldn't remember how to play. Because the mechanics of gameplay aren't super intuitive. It's kind of like Assassin's Creed, where once you get it, you get it. But it takes some building up to remember the mechanics and the user interface of controls input. But man. It's fantastic. So if you have this game collecting dust and you have an Xbox One or any other platform that will play it, plug it back in. And if you don't, I'm sure you can get it on the cheap. Get it and play it. You will not regret it. And you're going to sacrifice days of your life to this game.
Everett	Yeah. You know, I don't have anything to play that game on, but... I may need to. I did see that PlayStation prices all went up this week. Andrew, I've got another thing. Do me. A few years ago. A few years ago? No. A few weeks ago. Okay. It's less. That's less than a few years ago. A few weeks ago, our friend Will the Watch Clicker sent to our group text a photograph of him. Well, it wasn't really him. It was chicken in a stainless steel pan. And it was like... Perfectly browned. And I could just tell it was like a nice stainless steel pan. And I was like, you know, and he's talking about the chicken. I'm going to make chicken piccata. That's what I'm doing. I was like, man, that sounds really good. And that chicken in that stainless steel pan looks really good. And I've been sort of. and maybe avoiding buying a stainless steel pan for, I don't know, two years? Way too long.
Andrew	Because you've got nonstick and cast iron, don't you?
Everett	Yeah.
Andrew	Do you have enamel too?
Everett	Yes. So I cook, I'll just say, I cook about 90% of the meals that we eat on a Dutch oven, on a Le Creuset. I love my Le Creuset. And, um, but for the like things that you need to do in steel, I would just cook everything in a Laker set. Any, anyway, long story short, I've, I've wanted to get, so anyway, I just, I'm like, you know what? Fuck it. I'm going to go buy stainless steel pans. So I went with the intention of buying a 12 inch frying pan. We've got a place, a local place that has a curated collection of high end cookware. And they carry the brand Made In. Made In.
Andrew	Like Marion or like Made Space In? The second version, the latter.
Everett	And that's sort of like a new direct-to-consumer brand that has recently stepped out and are now retailing. And good reviews, lots of positive, but, you know, an alternative to AllCloud, as it were.
Unknown	Mm-hmm.
Everett	So I picked up a 12-inch made-in frying pan, but it did not come with a lid. And I really want to have a lid for a 12-inch frying pan.
Unknown	Yeah.
Everett	So I wound up spending an additional $200 to get the six-quart Rondeau, which also happens to be roughly 12 inches. but that has a lid that will work on both the six quart Rondo and the fry pan. This is a ridiculous purchase, right? That I bought the Rondo anyway. So that's the right choice. A Rondo is a high sided frying pan. It's, it's, um, you know, less tall than a Dutch oven short, probably like a two and a half or a three inch height. Um, But it's like a fry pan, but with instead of a shallow edge, it's got a 90 degree edge and will hold theoretically six quarts of liquid or whatever. I bought both thinking I would use the 12 inch fry pan a lot. I have used that six quart Rondeau, Andrew, for almost every meal for the last two and a half weeks.
Andrew	Is it the handle version or is it not a long handle?
Everett	It's not a long handle. It's got two grasp handles. And I'm not exaggerating. I have used that for every meal that I've cooked for the last two and a half weeks. It is by far the most functional piece of cookware I've ever purchased. And it's really well made. So here's the thing. I don't know anything about stainless steel cookware. If you want me to try to tell you if it's better than all clad or butt clad or whatever, I don't know. I don't know anything about tri-ply or five-ply or whatever. I just don't know. And I started to get into it and I was like, no, I'm not going to get into it. I'm just going to buy this.
Andrew	It's an interesting decision.
Everett	I know, right? For me, it's a weird choice. But I was like, no, I'm going to get this one because it's a brand that people say is good. And I feel really good. I feel really good about the purchase. You just trusted the people. I just trusted. And I just went with Jesus, man. This made-in six-quart Rondeau is beautiful. And it works so well. And I have never been as happy with it. I went to get the 12-inch fry pan. I've used it. But it's not the one. The one is the six quart Rondeau. Holy shit.
Andrew	The fry pan is it like a French edge?
Everett	No, it's just a regular. Yes, it's just a regular old fry pan. Just exactly like you would expect. And the lid from the six-quart Rondeau fits on top of it. That's what you want. So it's probably like a 13. The Rondeau is probably 13 and a half or so across. Dude, I'm telling you. It is such a nice... It is such a nice... I made a... a short rib ossobuco in it this last week. Oh, my gosh. It looked really good. The food was really good. But just like the way it browned. So I browned, I think, three pounds of short rib in it. Right. If you're Italian and you're like... You can't make osso bucco with short ribs. Yes, you're right. Forget me. But I browned three pounds of short ribs in two loads in this thing, which is crazy. Yeah. And then I braised the full three pounds in this thing. I braised three pounds of short ribs in a full-on sofrito.
Unknown	Hmm.
Everett	For three hours. And it was perfect. I mean, I've done everything from that to I made a couple burger patties on it.
Andrew	You made piccata the other day too.
Everett	And I made piccata the other day. You can do anything. I mean, it's just, it is the most versatile pan I've ever had. It's fantastic. And I love it. And I want to give one to everybody, but they're too expensive. So go get your own. That's all I got, dude.
Andrew	That's a good other thing. Yeah. Right? Yeah.
Unknown	Right?
Everett	Because people go for the night?
Andrew	No, I'm out of things, man.
Everett	You guys, we're almost an hour. We talked about a lot of watches. Right?
Andrew	Yeah. Our usual amount.
Unknown	Almost an hour. This is a good time. Yeah.
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