Seiko is Crushing the Licensed Watch Game (355)

Published on Mon, 18 Aug 2025 21:50:16 -0700

Synopsis

In this episode, hosts Andrew and Everett discuss several new watch releases including the Ferrer Integra, Timex Marlin GMT, Formex Essence 41, Unimatic Pro Diver, and collaborations from Seiko. They share detailed thoughts on the specifications, design choices, and value propositions of each watch. Throughout the episode, they also taste and discuss two scotch whiskeys from Aberlour, which they blind taste before revealing as Abunadh and Abunadh Alba. The hosts also discuss the new FX show "Alien: Earth" and how it fits into the broader Alien franchise. The episode features their typical mix of watch enthusiasm, spirits appreciation, and pop culture discussion.

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Andrew	Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to 40 in 20, the Watch Clicker podcast with your hosts, Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, how are you?
Unknown	I'm well. Did the intro music feel slow this morning to you?
Andrew	No, you just like hyped up on cocaine.
Everett	Must be because it felt, I was like, why is this so slow?
Andrew	No, it felt the same.
Everett	Just normal.
Andrew	The audio levels are off. I can tell that my kids were playing with it. Can you turn my headphones down just a touch?
Everett	Yeah.
Andrew	Yeah, there we go. That's better.
Everett	Yeah, you can see it was twisted. Yeah, no, I'm doing well. The... The weekend is nice. We have a restaurant here in town called Sweetwater's, which has always been like sort of well regarded by local folks, but nothing spectacular. No. The place where the hotel where Sweetwater's resides caught on fire a few years back. It was arsoned. Sure. And that actually doesn't matter to me. And there was some talk for a while, because this hotel is pretty old, that maybe it would be sold and just go away. The real estate's kind of interesting. Anyway, they did decide to rebuild and remodel. And I went to the restaurant, the remodeled restaurant, for the first time last night and was thoroughly impressed, Andrew. I don't know if you've been to Sweetwater's post-remodel, but it was... I have been since my wedding rehearsal. I would say, which is well, just, you know, well before the, you at home.
Andrew	Well before the fire.
Everett	I would say it is up there with, I mean, it's a very nice restaurant now.
Andrew	They're bringing a new chef. Cause that was, I think the bummer, like the, maybe the restaurant venue itself had a very like riverfront kind of like nineties. Yes. Feel.
Everett	And so they've, just updated all of that it's more open it's less dark uh the bar is really cute they have a fantastic memo uh menu uh yeah I was super impressed so I had a great I had a great ribeye last night 16 ounce ribeye and I had some uh I had some uh baked Brussels sprouts, some crispy baked Brussels sprouts, which were terrific. And they were served with an aioli, a homemade aioli. Everything was fantastic.
Andrew	So how are you? I'm good. We went to Scandinavian festival last night. Yeah, the Scandi Fest. So the city, just the town just north of us, 64 years ago was like, man, we got to do something to like bring people here sometimes. And they were like, let's do a Scandinavian festival. There's no reason for a Scandinavian festival. They do have a big, historically a big Scandinavian population. Yes. It's a weird place to do it. And the thinking behind it was, well, nobody else has one. So they started this Scandinavian festival. It has grown to... They closed down... I mean, they're basically their entire downtown, like all... four by four city blocks of it it's small county fair size i would say like tiny county fair size but it's all yeah yeah and there's two stages there's like two performance stages that have like constant ongoing things up there a bunch of food trucks with great scandinavian food each day is dedicated to one of the four scandinavian countries Uh, but so, so I'd never been, I've lived in Eugene a long time and just have never been. And yesterday one of our older kid was with a friend and, I'm like, let's go to the Scandinavian festival. Worst case scenario is we go and just have some decent food. And I was so pleasantly surprised there. It was like a little county fair. There were tons and tons of booths, tons and tons of food carts, tons and tons of food trucks. Uh, like art shows and a craft fair, and it was super fun. The weather was great. I was introduced to a new variety of hot dog called a pulsa. Okay. A rhoda pulsa, and it is red sausage, basically. But it was... life-changing yeah so it is a danish uh hot dog that just doesn't taste it it doesn't taste quite like a hot dog because it's not exactly an american hot dog it's this beef and pork blend great snap on the skin they do like a citrusy kind of potato salad remoulade with pickles and crispy onions on top of it So I'm about to embark on a sausage making journey to recreate that because they were terrific. I also had a... I did it for you. Yeah, we had some potato sausage dumplings called croquecor. Croquecor?
Everett	How much did you guys spend? If my recollection is that everything is super affordable.
Andrew	Yeah, everything was was really affordable. So like lemonade, lemonade is their moneymaker, right? Because it's summer. So you pay five bucks for a lemonade. But you know, we got this these four potato dumplings stuffed with sausage for $10. And we got that hot dog and fries for $15. And There's no admission fee. It's just there and delicious. We had a variety of different pastry desserts. Yeah, it was super fun. I love that. It was interesting. There's all these Scandinavian dance troupes. And we were watching one of them. And my wife looks at me and is like, how does a person get into this? And I was like, I really don't know. And you look at the population of the majority of that dance troupe and it all kind of makes sense. And then there's like these two outlier dudes who like look like Skarsgård brothers. And I was like, what the fuck?
Everett	fuck are they doing here like did they travel here for this i think they do i think a lot of people travel here it's like really like but most of that dance troupe is all local it's the it's like a junction city dance group there are scandinavian groups around the country that come for scandy fest and there's other scandinavian festivals around the country in the summer
Andrew	So it was really fun. If you have one local to you, or I'd say even within like an hour's drive.
Everett	Or come to Eugene and we'll join you. We'll join you on one of these Saturdays.
Andrew	Yeah, there's two beer gardens. The problem with the beer gardens is because it's in the downtown of this little city. your drinking is restricted to the beer garden.
Everett	Yeah, and you're split from your... If you want to go to the beer garden, if you go with kids and you want to go to the beer garden, you've got like one, the alcoholic dad who's in the garden and the rest of the family at the fest, which is... Better if you go like on a date.
Andrew	Yeah, I think it would be more fun. I think Sam and the kids are going to go back today.
Everett	Just don't drink and bring a flask. Well, maybe I'll go with her. Take my kids.
Andrew	Yeah, have fun. So anyway, that's how I'm doing.
Everett	So Andrew, before we start, so we're not here to talk about Scandinavian festivals. We're not here to talk about whatever I talked about, nor are we here to talk about whiskey. But before we start, I need a minute. This last week or so, I had a revelation of the whiskey type. And you have got two glasses of the revelation in front of you. These glasses, I'm just going to say, I'm going to set this up and then we're going to move on quickly. We're going to come back. We're going to do an interlude at some point where we can talk about tasting notes. And then this will be my other thing. So try not to take too much of your time, guys. I know this isn't a whiskey show. We've got two very different distillates. In front of us, apparently, right? One of these is amber, not quite dark.
Unknown	Caramel-y.
Everett	But caramel color. And the other is light straw colored.
Andrew	Chardonnay colored.
Everett	Sure. Yeah. Fair. And then we've got two very different smells. With the darker one coming in as dried fruits, raisins, figs, creme brulee.
Andrew	Yeah, very stone fruity.
Everett	And then the lighter coming in with pear, orchard fruit, maybe some green apple, a little bit of honey, and maybe a bit of a caramel drizzle on the back. Yes? Am I right or wrong?
Andrew	I accept all of that.
Everett	Yes. Okay, so we're going to move on, but that's our setup here. Do you have, and Andrew knows nothing. I know exactly. Andrew knows nothing.
Andrew	I don't know. I know what I can smell and look at.
Everett	Do you have any, any initial like.
Andrew	I was actually surprised by how enjoyable the nose is on this light colored one. The lighter one, yeah. Because you still get like oaky, whiskey flavor, like aromas with none of the appearance.
Everett	Yeah, you get that American sort of... oaky okay so yeah any thoughts on what we're smelling here not a fucking clue okay okay we're gonna just move it straight along uh we're here to talk about watches and watches we're gonna talk about this was a good week andrew you sent links before me and you sent the links and i was like that's everything almost yeah And so we've got a few deep cuts this week that I think are really fun, but maybe sort of like almost frivolous. But then there were a handful of really interesting things that happened this week, and we're going to talk about almost all of them.
Andrew	Yeah, so let's start with the, because this is a link that I know we both would have chosen, the Ferrer Integra. Yeah. This is a new release as of this week. This is, when was the last time Ferrer dropped an entirely new line?
Everett	Well, I think Farrah actually, maybe to defend them from just a moment from the criticism that you're almost making, but not quite. I actually think Farrah has done a really good job. introducing new stuff to their line. And when you look at their catalog, it's like, okay, Farrah, I see you. You know, they've got the Lander. And I think in my mind when I think of Farrah, I think of the Lander. But then I go to their website and I'm like, no, you know what? Farrah's done a really good job.
Andrew	They keep a broad catalog.
Everett	I think about once a year we see something almost brand new from Farrah.
Andrew	Maybe.
Everett	That's my thought.
Andrew	I feel like they do a lot of iterative design. They do that too. And improvement.
Everett	They do that too.
Andrew	But they keep everything in the fairer feel. And this is a 38.5 millimeter, 10.3 thick, 42 lug to lug, integrated... sport watch with 100 meters of water resistance. They dropped in four colorways. They have a salmon, a blue, a mother of pearl, and a green malachite stone.
Everett	I just want to suggest, I don't even think it was a full year ago that the Lissom dress watches dropped. Oh, you're right. And so, you know, we've got the Field. We've got the GMT bezel. We've got their three-hander with the tonneau, the aqua compressor. I mean, really.
Andrew	They've got a deep stable.
Everett	The Chronosport. Obviously, they've got the GMT, which is, for me, like I said, what I think about. But there's a lot. Mm-hmm.
Andrew	Maybe that's the problem is that when I think of Ferrer, I think of the Lander and I don't consider the rest of their portfolio. And I think that's where I get a little bit hung up on this watch. So this has an SW 300 movement. One of the top grades. They're coming in at under 2000 euros. Yeah. For any of them on a bracelet. And I'm kind of hung up on this watch. I don't know how to feel about it yet.
Unknown	You're hung up in a hang-up way.
Andrew	Yeah, I'm in a decision-making state still with this watch because it is objectively really lovely. This flat link bracelet's fantastic. The case shape and the bevel on this bezel connection is fantastic. Everything is really, really good. I think I may be hung up about the colors or that it just doesn't feel super fairer to me. Because when I think of Ferrer, I think of a lot of color on the dial. And I want that. I love the way Ferrer does color and works with color palettes. And we don't have this on these dials. These are single dial color, salmon blue, mother of pearl, and green. And all the colors are really good.
Everett	But I'm struggling right now. I think I'm with you, Andrew, in being in the hang-up phase. So I'll just say, on paper, spec'd out, this is a fantastic watch. It's a win. Yeah. On paper, it's a win. And that's... That's not a given, right? But Ferrer has managed to check all the boxes. So let's just get that out of the way. Ferrer's checked all the boxes. It comes in at 10.6 thick, which is, or 10.3, which is it? 10.3, which is terrific. Okay, so we just get that out of the way.
Andrew	100 meters of water resistance. And it's going to wear super thin because most of that thickness is under the case.
Everett	good movement it is an integrated steel sports watch and then and then and then let's just talk quickly about the good so the bracelet on this thing looks divine the clasp it's a it's a dual-sided micro-adjusting butterfly clasp, and it looks excellent. Yeah, it looks really good. It looks excellent. And by that, I mean the engineering looks fantastic, and the fit and finish is great. Of course, I don't know how this thing operates in practice. But it looks... Excellent. And furthermore, it looks to me like it should work excellently, both in terms of the usage of the adjustment and in terms of the everyday wear, both adjusted and unadjusted, which is, you know, like Formex micro adjust, like... It's cool, but it's meaningless. Okay, anyway, where I get hung up, so one, when you look at the watch, when you look at the watch, one, I think there's something wrong with the shape of it. We talked a little bit earlier in this week, Andrew. I think that the bracelet tapers enough, but I don't, I think the taper is too gradual for me. I think the taper's too gradual. We've got sort of a straight taper. I would rather see a quick taper in the top three links.
Andrew	I think you can't make that work with that case shape.
Everett	And the reason we know you can is because there's another company that makes a very similar watch called Bell & Ross that does exactly that. Okay, so you can, and I think they should have. Okay, so moving on. The other thing, I'm with you on the dial, Andrew. The colors to me feel off. So there's the blue. Which is great. Which I like. I do not like their use of red on the blue. I think they either needed to make a blue and red dial or they needed to be more stoic. One of the two. We have these hints of red. And for me, that's annoying. I either want you to use red or get out of there.
Andrew	Or they got to add it other places, like on maybe the balance and the tip of the second hand. There's just enough to be like, oh, yeah, there's a little bit of red marking on here. Almost like red flecks in just your five-minute intervals.
Everett	The white dial is a win. It's like a mop or a white stone. It's fantastic. Win, win, win. I love it. It's perfect. I think. I wish they had a darker dial. I wish they had a darker dial. Something more neutral, like a dark gray or a black. And they don't. I don't really think they have a neutral dial, which bothers me.
Andrew	I think the Mother of Pearl is what you have to call a neutral dial.
Unknown	And we don't have like a truly sort of like ostentatious style either. We've got this raspberry color. I don't remember what they're calling it.
Everett	And we just, I wish we had either or perhaps both more audacity and more neutrality. I feel like they made a bunch of safe decisions that ultimately don't work for me. They're safe and playful.
Andrew	They're safe decisions that are inconsistent with a lot of the color decisions that... They know to be safe because of their success with their color use.
Everett	If you're going to be playful, be playful. If you're going to be safe, be safe. And they didn't do either. They were playfully safe, which get that A&E shit out of here. And I don't like the numerals on the dial, but that's totally subjective.
Andrew	I'm okay with the font.
Everett	I'm so close to loving this watch. I'm so close to loving it, Andrew. It's like sort of, what are we going to call that font? Explorer light? Kind of Explorer-esque.
Andrew	Yeah, there's also a bit of a conflict for me with the case and the bezel. Because you have kind of hard angles that are softened and beveled on the case. And then a very tonneau-y shaped bezel. I love it.
Everett	I think that's what makes this watch, and I love it.
Andrew	Well, that's why I say I'm hung up, because I think I like that conflict. But there's nothing to resolve it anywhere.
Everett	The green is good. I'm not a huge fan of malachite, but the green is good. It's good.
Andrew	It's cool. I mean, using malachite stone for a dial is objectively cool. They did a good job color matching on the.
Everett	I think we sound negative and I want and I and now I'm feeling like we need to back up because I actually love this watch. I think the things we don't like, at least the things I don't like, are really subjective. And so it's almost like, gosh, if I were making this watch myself, I would have done different things. I think this watch is terrific.
Andrew	I don't think these are even things I don't like. I think these are just... These are the points that I'm addressing are what's hanging me up. Like, I think I like this, but I'm not...
Everett	Yeah, I like it. I'll just say, I like it full stop. If I had designed it, I might have made these different decisions. I think this is great.
Andrew	It's a good release. It's a really good release. Maybe we'll get to see one in October. Oh yeah, certainly we will. That might seal the deal. I might buy one in October. Farrah, for me, I've always really liked Farrah's use of color. And then seeing it in person... You just get it.
Everett	Yeah. Yeah. I want to see a full black murdered out PVD case.
Andrew	That'd be dope.
Everett	Yeah. That's what I want to see. Same brush policy scheme, but murdered out. You know, or fucking ceramic, but that would be... You could probably get somebody to serif it for you. Nah, I don't want to serif it. Yeah, it's a dope watch. I think there's some subjective decisions that I struggle with. It sounds like I think you're in a similar place, but it's terrific. Yeah. Full stop. Oh, gosh. Now I got to go, Andrew? Now you got to go. Okay. Well, Timex released a set of quartz GMTs in their Marlin line this week, and it is on, like... At first blush, it's a bizarre decision. And then the more you think about it, the more it's a bizarre decision.
Unknown	And, and.
Everett	And it's perfect. It's perfect. It totally works. So what this is, is three sort of vintage style GMT sport watches in the Marlin line, which Timex introduced the Marlin. They reintroduced the Marlin, I should say. And they've steadily been gearing up the Marlin for a more sort of effective brand prominence. And here we go. So these are like bezel's edge to bezel's edge acrylic, domed acrylic crystal 1960s GMT Pan Am-ish watches. They've got fantastic five-link Jubilee-style bracelets that are probably not fantastic at all.
Andrew	Oh, they're probably trash. Yeah.
Everett	They come in at like 200 bucks. They're obviously a no-name, shitty quartz GMT movement, but they're gorgeous. These are absolutely gorgeous. So there's three of them. There is a black dial, gold on gold. So it's fully gold case, gold bracelet, gold markers.
Andrew	And on that version, there's an AM, PM... ring on your on your minute track with like a gold inlay from three to nine on your correctamundo yeah i i like that i could i might get that there is a sort of in-between version it's a blue dial with a steel case but gold pvd crown and gold
Everett	hands and markers and and it's a when i say blue it's a very dark navy with like a periwinkle accent color on that on that uh minute track or that that 24-hour track that andrew was talking about And then there's also a steel case, steel bracelet, steel crown, fully steel and silver hand and marker version of this with the same blue. Uh, these are great. These are great. And it sort of seems like the watch world missed these this week are the only link I could find to send you about these Andrew. So I read about these on, it's about time. Um, But the only link I could find is from two broke watch noms. Michael Pignate wrote about these this week. But I couldn't find anybody else writing about them.
Andrew	Which is bizarre. Because it's a quartz GMT from Timex.
Everett	Yeah. These are terrific. These are terrific. Really cool.
Andrew	$200 too? $200, yeah. You'll be able to find these on Amazon for $150.
Everett	Well, specs, sorry, Andrew, I should have said. I think that these are about 40 and about 20 and about 13 thick. I'm not sure Michael says.
Andrew	Let's see if Timex says.
Everett	Timex does say, and I have seen the dimensions. It's like 39 and a half. by like 47 long by 13-ish thick. You know, it feels like one of those watches where specs were just kind of like, meh. Yeah, they're not huge though. It's like the right size for this watch. It's 40 and 20, right?
Andrew	Let's see, spectra sheet, 40 millimeter case, 13 high, 20 millimeter lug width, 50 meters water resistance. It's perfect, right? It's exactly right. It's more water resistance than your Patek, so yeah. This is cool. Yeah, they're cool. And, I mean, Timex is doing the thing right now. They're dropping the watches for the masses that also scratch the watch community's itch.
Everett	Yeah. Yeah, I think that's right. I think that's right. They did a great job with these, man. I'm pumped about this watch. It's a cheap... It's a cheap, like... wearing watch for someone who's not going to spend a thousand bucks ever in their entire life on a watch. Uh, so it's, so when we say cheap and what I mean is affordable, but it's also really fucking cool. Like it's just hard to find these things. It's hard to find watches that are really fucking cool and also affordable. And this is one of them.
Andrew	Yeah.
Everett	What's next?
Andrew	Uh, Formex with a new release, uh, In color way, at least.
Everett	No, no, no, no. Whole new case. It's a whole new case.
Andrew	It is the 41.
Everett	Yeah. Yes. We don't have a, this is the. This is it. Yeah. So before 43 and 38. I know. I know. That's crazy.
Andrew	I, so I saw a 39 in the wild last night and I commented on it. He's like, oh yeah, it's cool. In the wild? At the Scandi Fest? Yeah. No shit. Yeah. I was like, that's a Formex essence, huh? I was like, oh yeah, it's pretty cool. I was like, okay.
Everett	You'd think that somebody who... I would have put money on the fact that I was the only Formex essence in Lane County.
Andrew	No, it's the red one. Cool. Yeah. And it seemed like he maybe didn't know what he had. Like he just... Found it on, like, was scrolling Instagram or something and, like, just didn't give a shit. It's a guy with $2,000 to spend on a watch. Yeah. Yeah. It was a weird interaction because he's like, oh, yeah, it's cool. And then just, like, walked past me. And I was like, you'd think that if somebody watch spots you in a crowd.
Everett	Not someone who was pumped to have, like, he didn't know enough about it to, like, engage with you.
Andrew	Yeah.
Everett	He was like, oh, God, he knows what this is.
Andrew	Or, like, recognize that, like. Like, oh, that guy just, like, watch spotted at a distance. This is a conversation to be had. Yeah, it was weird. And it was cool to see an essence in the wild. Because I'd never seen another essence in the wild. Anyhow. So I was going to slow roll the case size release. Everybody knows. No, they don't. That's why they're listening to us. We're their source. Maybe some of them. So a 41 millimeter case. You caught me off guard. Which is, I think, an excellent decision and... I don't know if it's a necessary decision because the 38 is so perfectly sized or the 39 is so perfectly sized. And then if you want a bigger watch, get the big watch. Having a medium, like a small, medium, large makes sense because there are people who both of those sizes don't work for. They want a 41. I'm totally down for it. And it is in the Space Ghost colorway, which is a super cool colorway.
Everett	Yeah, it's like a Mooney on a list meteorite dial.
Andrew	Yeah, it's really good. So this is coming in at 41 diameter, 10.6 high, grade two titanium inner case with an integrated suspension system. They're like floating crazy stuff. 100 meters of water resistance, SW200 movement. They're only going to make 150 of these a year, which I think is probably sufficient in this meteorite dial.
Everett	Did you know that Muonionalusta is estimated to be 4.6 billion years old, making it the oldest non-terrestrial material on Earth? Probably. I mean, maybe Moondust is older, but maybe. I don't know. It's nuts. It's nuts. So Mooney on a Loosta, it's 4.6 billion year old Swedish meteorite. If you don't know what it is, it's a really cool story. It's got this, I can't remember what they call that pattern, but it's something. Anyway. It's got that really sort of defined meteorite pattern with the diamond.
Andrew	Widmistatten?
Everett	Widstatten. Is there an M in there? Widmistatten. Widmistatten. Anyway, it's that, and, and that, and that, uh, pattern is seen in a few other meteorites. It's not just Mooney on a list of like Gibeon, uh, the African meteorites, but, but those are, but, but I think that that stuff is been, I think Namibia is like locked all that stuff up. So you can't get it anymore. So it's really, but Mooney on a list of the oldest meteorite on earth, but it's just, people find it in the fucking woods in, in Sweden. They're just like, Oh, there's more of that. Like, And I think like there's an industry like people like, you know, hunt for it. But like literally people would just be digging in the woods and they'll find a chunk of Mooney on a Lusta, which is cool.
Andrew	That is cool.
Everett	Okay. Anyway, keep going. I'm sorry to interrupt you. You did give me a little bit of sight.
Andrew	Now I don't know where I was at. I don't know. Bottom line is we have... It's a 41mm essence. It's a 41mm essence with super cool dial. It's an interesting dial to be their first release in the 41. I expect here in the coming weeks we'll see another press release for five new colorways.
Everett	Yeah, I think they're going to just like have three sizes. This is a fun for the first release. I do think actually it makes sense, Andrew. I think for some people, the 39 or whatever it is, is it 39? I have it in my head that it's like 38. Let's look.
Andrew	Anyway. That's the 39.
Everett	That's what they call it. Okay. So the 30, which is, that's the one I have. It is fine for me, but I think for some people, bigger wristed or just people that prefer a slightly bigger watch, it's small, but the 43 is too big for a lot of people. Like it's a big watch. The 43 millimeter essence is a fucking big watch.
Andrew	Because the essence is a bit of a chunk.
Everett	Yes. Yeah. It's not chunky. It's not thick, but it's just...
Andrew	It's got some wrist presence. That's right.
Everett	It's a BWE. That's right. And the 43 is... It's just a big watch. No doubt about it. It wears like a big old fucking citizen or something. You're a big old fucking citizen. You are. That's what made me think it. I think it's a good... I think it's a great addition.
Andrew	And we see the small, medium, large convention... kind of across the industry right now. I like seeing that, you know, five years ago we were bitching that like, I want to like this watch, but it's 44 millimeters. Yeah. It's 42 millimeters. Like give me a fucking 30, 36. And that's why we started the show. Right. Yeah. And now we have a small, medium, large in most, not most, many, many. Yeah. Tending towards most. Kind of flagship brands, like flagship models within brands.
Everett	So a deep cut watch, and we're going to talk about two Seiko collaborations this week. Whatever it is. But we are. The first one I'm going to talk about is not the one you're expecting, probably. This is a deep cut watch, and it kind of... floated under the radar this week and there's a couple reasons for that so um so so what this is is a new mecha quartz chronograph from seiko and and i don't i can't promise that this case hasn't been used somewhere else but i don't remember seeing it but what it is is a uh it's a manga crossover and it's this is a deep cut manga uh And it's the manga that made drift racing in the United States a thing and which made the Toyota AE86 a cult classic. So the AE86, if you don't know what it is, this is really 80s, really sort of like in race car terms, this benign looking car. However, if you don't know, in Japan, the AE86 is an absolute cult classic. You can't find them. It's like one of the hardest cars to find in anything like original condition. They've all been just like... Fucking hotbox to shit. Anyway, Initial D came out in the 80s, and the protagonist of Initial D drove an AE86. Specifically, he raced it, and when he raced it, he would do what we now call drifting, which was to say, get it sideways. And this manga was incredibly popular. And it started, in many ways, the drift racing scene. This was the influence for this. So this watch celebrates Initial D and its protagonist, Takumi Fujiwara, and the AE86 car. The dial is in the colorway of Fujiwara's... car which is to say white on top two-tone white on top black on bottom with like obviously car dial details and then instrument cluster instrument cluster and as a i mean it's a it's a tri-compact yes chronograph but it looks like an instrument cluster On the 24-hour sub-dial, you get, it's styled like a tachometer, and you get a brights, a headlight brights symbol on the, I mean, this, sorry, this watch is fucking awesome. It's awesome.
Andrew	This is JDM.
Everett	I think it's JDM. There's 1995 of these, which is the 1,995 of these, which is obviously the year Initial D came out. There's some Japanese text on the dial, prominent Japanese text, and that's Takumi Fujiwara's shop where he did all the work on his AE86. I've seen a lot of this type of thing, and I can't remember ever seeing anything that I thought was so perfect.
Andrew	They hit on all of the high points. The reason this collaboration is good is because they kept everything. If you know, you know. Yes. Yeah, that's right.
Unknown	And nothing's in your face. Like everything is really subtle.
Everett	It's really – this watch is so cool. So it's not going to be released until January. So there's some time. You can't get them right now. And we think it's going to come in at like $650. It is a 8T63 chronograph, which I think is the Seiko-only version of the VK63 movement. This thing is cool. So there will be a link in the show notes. It's a Gear Patrol link because I, again, couldn't find any like real watch links. Maybe they exist. I didn't look that hard.
Andrew	Golly. Come on. Mirror image markers. Yeah. Like just.
Unknown	Yeah.
Andrew	I'm going to like it.
Everett	I'm going to try to find this because I think this watch is. This watch is really, really cool.
Andrew	Like a 40 millimeter, 100 meters of water resistance quartz. This is a grab-and-go quartz chronograph that is fun. It looks good. And it's fun without being audacious.
Everett	That's right. And there's nothing here to like... make this watch feel silly or contrived. There is a D on the running seconds, which is the D from the logo of the mango, the initial D it's that D and, and that is the, but that's the only thing here that is like an obvious, like to the uninitiated, they're going to be like, well, what does that D mean? Um, there's notes. Otherwise it's just perfect. It's just perfect. I am having, I'm struggling to like find something I don't love about this watch.
Andrew	Besides that it's going to be a big pain in the ass to find.
Everett	The bracelet's going to suck and it's like kind of a whatever movement. Obviously VK63s are great, but probably fit and finish is going to be medium, whatever. Just good enough. Everything about it, the idea of it, I love. Anyway, moving on. Are you ready to do an interlude here, Andrew? I've only tasted one. Okay. Okay, so we're not ready. Taste the other and we'll come back to it. Pick a watch.
Andrew	Sanctify Sports with a Pepsi, like a true Pepsi collaboration. Yeah, we should adjust. Yeah, I don't know why I said pick a watch. This is the next one. And these are fun. So there is the original Pepsi and a Pepsi Zero Sugar varieties. The SRPL99, a 38 millimeter dive watch. with the uh original pepsi white can and the ssk 047 a 42 and a half gmt with a pvd to match your black pepsi sugar can uh they're doing 7 000 of these these are these are fun right we everyone knows what a pepsi dial is and seiko was like or we'll do one yeah we'll do like actual pepsi um This really classic red and blue that you know exactly what I'm talking about. Now there's, from Seiko, an official Pepsi collaboration. I think they chose perfectly adequate watches to bear this burden of being the collaborative watches. The packaging is really cool on these. They come in a screw-top can. It looks like a soda can that screws down. And... It's fun. They're making $7,000 each of these. They're going to be under $600. It's a cool collaboration that has to be mentioned.
Everett	These feel to me like a Pepsi points thing that should have existed. Like Pepsi, where's my jet? In the 90s, yeah, where's my Harrier? Yeah, that's right. The strap... I want to get one of the, I want to get one of these just for the strap, just for the rubber strap with the, like the Pepsi. Yeah. It's got an embossed or a raised Pepsi logo strap that runs full length, like a Breitling. I want to get one of these just for that. And then like sell the watch head. Holy shit. That's cool. Um, yeah, I don't know. This is, uh, Ultimately, it's a silly release. I'm not getting one of these, but it's really cool. And I heard a joke. Someone said, well, now will we refer to the Rolex GMT blue and red as the Pan Am, which is really a more appropriate reference. And the answer is probably no. We'll still call that a Pepsi.
Andrew	I like the Pan Am reference better, too.
Everett	Clearly, Seiko is taking the piss with this a little bit, and I think that's great.
Andrew	Yeah. I mean, they just licensed it.
Everett	Yeah, they were like, fuck it. We're going to do it.
Andrew	Yeah.
Everett	We're going to do it. I don't get the sense that this is like a future IP squeeze, which would be shitty, but I think that they're just taking the piss and having some fun.
Andrew	That might be cool, though. That'd be a baller move.
Everett	To do an IP squeeze?
Andrew	Yeah.
Everett	I don't think so. I mean, I wouldn't call it baller. No, would that be like the NATO guy? Yeah, that way. International watch, man.
Andrew	Yeah.
Everett	Fuck that guy.
Andrew	No, respect, man. That's a strong move. That's like seeing political candidates and then buying the rights to their name dot com.
Unknown	I don't do this very often, Andrew, but I want to talk about a watch I kind of hate. Oh, do it. And I don't hate the watch.
Everett	I don't hate the watch, but I hate what the watch release means for the brand.
Andrew	You hate that you love it?
Everett	No, no, I don't love it. In fact, I don't even like it. So last year, Omega released a turquoise dial Aqua Terra, and it's not bad. It's good. It's an Aqua Terra, and it's got an ombre turquoise dial. It's meh. And it's okay. I like it. this year in a full-on news cycle release omega has released a citizen watch What they've done is they've taken that turquoise dial and they've put it in an Aqua Terra case, just like it was before. And they've made the bezel black ceramic.
Unknown	And then they've added a heavily textured black rubber strap with non-functional turquoise stitching on it.
Unknown	And then...
Unknown	They've put a coaxial movement on it, so it is 17.2 millimeters thick. And then they've released it and done a press junket to create an entire news cycle's worth of coverage.
Everett	And then people have said, oh my God, it's so beautiful. The fuck it is. Get the fuck out of here. This is a shit release from Omega. And it, I don't want to say it pisses me off, but it's just. You seem to be really enthused by it.
Unknown	It's so, is this Omega now?
Everett	Oh, did I mention it's $7,000 fucking dollars? It's also not 17 millimeters thick. 17.2 is what I said. It's 13.2 or 12.3.
Andrew	Those of you at home, calm down a little bit. This is Omega. This is Omega and has been Omega for a long time. Iterative color releases. It's not laziness. It's just trying to capture the people that they haven't already. We see this all the time when Tudor broke the internet with blue. And it was just okay. Right. We see this from these luxury brands that, you know, their new releases for the year are last year's releases. Again, adding the black ceramic is kind of new for Omega. Typically they just like make it gold. Yeah. Or what's their, what's their proprietary gold. Yeah.
Everett	Well, Omega's got both the Moonshine and the Sedna, which are... Sedna's their rose gold and Moonshine is their yellow gold.
Andrew	They make it gold and then they move on with their lives.
Everett	Which they did with the Speedmaster this week. Or the Seamaster. They released Sedna and Moonshine gold Seamasters this week as well. That we're not going to talk about.
Andrew	No, that's what they do. It's...
Everett	cost-effective it's what they do now they just release new colors well you know we know that omegas that swatch group sales are down specifically omega sales are down and so you know i do think we probably are seeing a company scramble a little bit here you know they really need to keep hype they need to keep momentum they need to stay in the conversation and stay front of mind and They released the new Orange 300M. And I felt the same. And I said similar things. I was less enthusiastic. And perhaps... But it's not even orange. Perhaps this release is getting some of the feelings that are properly allocated to the Orange 300M. But yeah, right? Like, what the fuck is this? What the fuck are you doing, Omega?
Unknown	Yeah. It's $7,000 for this shitter? It's a citizen. It looks like a fucking citizen. Every Aqua Terra costs this much.
Andrew	What the fuck is going on?
Everett	This is what we get. This is Omega. Yeah. So I don't actually care all that much. I'm excited. I'm vocalizing my excitement for the purpose of the podcast that we make because we got to have some personality. And that's how I feel about this. I don't really care. It's not affecting my life.
Andrew	No, he's going to lose sleep over this.
Everett	But Jesus Christ, this thing is irritating. And I say that in the wake of me, Andrew, absolutely falling in love with a 25-year-old 300M Seamaster that doesn't work right. I have fallen head over heels.
Andrew	What's wrong with it?
Everett	It runs super slow. I lose like four minutes a day. I think I could bump the timing, but it just needs a service, so I'm going to send it in. So I don't want to bump the timing. I just want to get it serviced. But, I mean, I lose, like, 1 o'clock. I need to mentally bump my time. But I can't get it off my wrist. I love it. I love it. I've got some links for my bond bracelet incoming, so it's going to make a move to that here in the next week.
Andrew	So it's in really good shape, too.
Everett	In the context of me having... Having a Speedmaster that is my number one and a Seamaster that is like quickly sliding into number two spot with no reservations. I'm maybe an Omega guy, which is why this release like really pisses me off.
Andrew	Well, I think that's the neckbeard in you coming out, right? Omega doesn't exist for us.
Everett	Yeah, maybe.
Andrew	Omega does some things that we really like, but they don't exist for us. They don't exist for the enthusiast community. They don't exist for... Not today, they don't. For people who give a shit about watches. They exist to make money.
Everett	Yeah, maybe. Which is a bummer, right? I don't think we see that with other brands, though.
Andrew	You know, I don't think we see that with IWC or... We see it with Tag Heuer. No, no, no.
Everett	Tag Heuer has spent the last two years making enthusiast watches.
Andrew	And watches that apply to the masses. Every single skeleton Monaco that exists.
Everett	You know, we see a little bit with Rolex and Tudor, but Rolex and Tudor haven't drifted anywhere near as far as, in my mind, Omega. I mean, Omega's just gotten thicker and weirder, and they've fallen in love with coaxial, which is really cool tech. But because they've done that, now everything's thick, everything's weird, and it's like, where are you going with this, Omega?
Andrew	They're trying to close the gap.
Unknown	Baby, come back.
Andrew	Yeah. Yeah. Okay, are you ready? We certainly don't see it without ABC. Are you ready for an interlude? I am ready for an interlude. So first off, this blonde, I can't untaste wine. Like the fresh oakiness and like apple and bright citrusy. Orchard wine, right? Yeah.
Everett	Like some sort of Chardonnay, orchard forward Chardonnay.
Andrew	And then you get the back end of like, oh, that's whiskey. Oak? Yeah. It is fascinating. I can't break out of that.
Everett	Where are you at in Perth? Oh.
Andrew	So my guess is just about a
Everett	Okay, what about the other one?
Andrew	The other one.
Everett	So this is the darker of the two, more of like a copper color. Not orchard wine.
Andrew	No, not orchard wine. Kind of like hot rye feeling, spicy, thick.
Unknown	What about proof?
Andrew	I'd say like 110. My guess is that they're actually probably inverted. This is actually a lower.
Everett	They're both 120.
Andrew	120, huh?
Everett	Do you know what kind of booze we're drinking yet?
Andrew	I don't.
Everett	Okay. Any guesses? You have to make a guess or I'm going to shoot you in the head.
Andrew	Okay. Today's the day I die. I have no idea.
Everett	Neither of these taste familiar to me. Just make a guess. What do you think? Type of booze. One guess. First guess.
Andrew	Type of booze?
Everett	Yeah. What type of booze are we drinking?
Andrew	We're drinking whiskey.
Everett	Okay. One more level.
Andrew	I think this is rye.
Everett	So that he's holding the copper one. Are these Japanese? They're not, which is where I thought your head was going to go. Yeah, they're not.
Andrew	Okay.
Everett	But that is where, I think that's where my head would go to.
Andrew	With this light color, that was my thinking, was that they were Japanese.
Everett	That's where my head would have gone to. But they're not.
Andrew	They're not.
Everett	Okay. So we'll move on. So that's our interlude.
Andrew	Okay.
Everett	We're going to come back to this in other things. So we're done for now. We're going to drink these. We're going to keep drinking. We're talking about scotch. I'm sorry. This isn't scotch. I've got to tell you. We're running out of time. Let's talk about more watches. Whiskey. Sorry, I said scotch.
Andrew	Some Breitling Endurance Pros for the Ironman World Championships. I'm kind of. really into these, I find myself liking more and more Breitlings.
Everett	Yeah, give us a full introduction on this watch because I'm not familiar with it.
Andrew	The Endurance Pro is a big bitch. It's a 44 millimeter, 12.5 thick, flat sapphire, 100 meters of water resistance, kind of anodigy, or not anodigy, chronograph. Right? Full analog chronograph. Yeah, full analog chronograph. This weird logo at the six o'clock gives like an Anadigi feel, and I always want Breitling to be Anadigi. I don't know why.
Everett	This watch should be an Anadigi. You can't read an analog watch when you're running.
Andrew	Trust me, I've tried it. You can't read it. You also can't read your chronograph functions in any of your events, like running, cycling, or swimming. They have two new colorways to support the 2025 edition of the Ironman Championship, first being a blue, second being a green. One is, so the gray, what is happening here? The gray case in titanium, what is it? And your turquoise is... It's the booze.
Everett	The booze is altering your brain.
Andrew	It's slowing me down, man. I'm getting serious. Yeah. Bottom line is I think these are fun. I'm becoming a Breitling guy. which means I'm going to have to start getting into international arms dealing or something.
Everett	I'm not becoming a Breitling guy, but I like these. These are fun. I do wish they were... You know what I wish about Breitling? I wish that Breitling were 30% less expensive.
Andrew	Yeah.
Everett	If Breitling were 30% less expensive, I think I would be... FB number one BFF fanboy Everett Meadows Brightling guy. I would start an Instagram Brightling guy.
Andrew	I think there's probably already a Brightling guy.
Everett	I want to be Brightling guy too.
Andrew	I absolutely will be too. Because these are $4,100 for the titanium, $3,500 for the bright light. Kind of across the board. Breitling is just a little bit north of where I would want to pay. But these are fun.
Everett	Thermal compensated super quartz. Let's do 2,500 Breitling. And also, can you give me an analog or a digital function? Because it's really hard to read an analog chronograph or even just a three-hander. I've tried.
Andrew	Yeah, functionally, it's difficult.
Everett	Riding a bike is fine. Running, it's really hard to read an analog display. It's just super hard. I had a Nike watch that was an analog display for a long time, and it was just tough. In fact, I still have it at the house. It's really cool. I need to get a battery in it. But... But in terms of like my ability to read it, it was just a challenge. And I have that from you. I got to show you that watch. It's from way before watches. It's from like 2007, eight timeframe. It's cool. I got to show it to you. But just hard to read analog when you're running. Unless you've got a super smooth cadence, and some people do. But for me, I'm just clunking too much. You need to have that digital, at least with my eyes.
Andrew	But a fun Iron Man release.
Everett	Okay.
Andrew	Also nice to see an Iron Man, not Timex.
Everett	Do we have, how are we doing? Okay, so there's, okay, I'm going to leave that one for you. I'm going to take this one. Notice? Yeah. I actually don't know, Andrew, if we've talked about either of these watches, if we talked about either of these watches when they were released. And if we didn't, shame on us. And I'm feeling a little grumpy with us if we didn't. But if we did, I'm glad we did. So the contrail GMT and the duality too.
Andrew	I know we've talked about both of these.
Everett	Notice is, if you've been listening to us for a long time, you'll know Notice is like our OG BFF brand. And that's true in so many respects. They were one of the first brands to come on the show. They were one of the first brands to reach out to us and be like, we really like your show. And in fact, the things you're saying are like... are affecting the way we want to think about watches, which was cool, which was really cool.
Andrew	And they were a really innovative brand in this... there was a pretty significant change in small brand watchmaking. And Notice was on the bleeding edge of that.
Everett	The bleeding edge of it. That's right. Yes. That's it. They were the brand that when we were getting into watches, when Andrew and I collectively were getting into watches, Notice was like... shoving the threshold over to make room for this enthusiast space. And then over the years, Wes and Cullen have become dear friends. And so when we talk about notice, you need to know all of that.
Andrew	And there were a lot of people, we don't want to take any credit away from the people who paved the way for Wes and Cullen. Sure. But they took the baton and they kept moving it forward.
Everett	For us, for me, I will just say they embody the movement of watches that I most closely identify with. Yeah. And so when we talk about notice, you just need to know that we're not unbiased. I'm not unbiased. Mm-mm.
Andrew	We're also not getting paid by them.
Everett	That's true. To be clear. That's true. In fact, anyway. So the Contrail GMT and the Duality 2 are, I would say, notices two best releases right now. They've got a legitimate GMT in a fantastic case. with one of the coolest sets of specs at under a thousand i mean it's just sorry you guys this is one of the coolest watches that you can buy under a thousand and then the duality weird watch there is nothing else exactly like this And it's awesome.
Andrew	Yeah.
Everett	If you identify with this watch, if you resonate with this watch, it's awesome. The fit and finish on the Duality, I think, is better than anything else that Notice does, perhaps with the exception of the Raven collaborations. The Duality is it, you guys. So they've released new colorways on both of these, and we're just shitting on Omega. This is more than a colorway release. So the Contrail GMT in green, what are they calling this? Is it evergreen? I can't remember.
Andrew	Yeah, the evergreen. The Everglade.
Everett	Everglade. Yeah, sorry. And then... I wish there was just two alligator eyes somewhere on the dial.
Andrew	Just...
Everett	That would be funny.
Andrew	Yeah.
Everett	And then Duality 2 and Drift Blue, both of these are gorgeous and beautiful and amazing watches.
Andrew	And the thing about Notice is that these are unlike the previous Contrail or previous Duality 2 in that they have been improved and upgraded probably a dozen times since the last time they brought something to market in either of these lines. They do such iterative improvement. If you buy a watch and then you buy the same watch in the same colorway a year later, you're going to find a dozen tweaks that are all improvements.
Everett	For the Duality, you've got a dual crown diver that they've made almost two millimeters thinner from 1310 to 1105. It's nuts. It's nuts. Like notice is making really good watches, affordable watches, right? Let's be clear.
Andrew	These are both 850 bucks. 20 to 16 taper on their flat link bracelets. Yes. Just a perfect taper.
Everett	And for $1,500 to $2,000, you can beat both of these watches. but you have to spend $700 more. That's right. $700 to $1,000 more to beat these. That's it. If you want to spend double your $850 budget, you can beat these watches. But if not, get these ones. These things are terrific. And the new colors, I'm a sucker for a good blue. This is a good blue. The Contrail GMT, this green, The only reason I don't like this is because it's ducks colors. And I love ducks things, but I stray away from watches and ducks colors because I think people are going to think I got them because of the ducks and I don't want to do that. It's a fantastic green. If you do want to get a Ducks-colored watch, or perhaps a Packers-colored watch, if you're a Packers fan, go pack. This thing's right there. Yeah. Or maybe if you're a fan of the Oakland A's, nay the Sacramento A's, nay the Las Vegas A's.
Andrew	Yeah, they're moving to Vegas, aren't they?
Everett	TBD. TBD. If you're a fan of one of those teams... Yeah, I think this is a cool watch. And I just think it's cool. It's great. Where are we at? Last watch is where we're at, Andrew.
Andrew	I'm... No, no. We should talk about the Unimatic. Yeah. So Unimatic has improved on their pro diver line and released a 600 meter diver. And we've talked about Unimatic a lot this year. they're just banging things out. We've talked about Unimatic so much that I, I went back and looked through our notes. I was like, I, we have to have talked about this. Couldn't find it. Uh, so this is the Modelo Uno, a, uh, reference number. So there's a, uh, PD3B, which is a black dial in 300 meters, the PD3OR, orange dial in 300 meters, or the U1ST PD6B in titanium. Unimatic may be the only brand that reference numbers make sense. Sure. I hate them, but they make sense. No, no, check it out. I agree with you. Go ahead. The Unimatic 1ST Pro Diver B. It's the titanium, the U1S titanium, PDs, the Pro Diver 600, and black dial. It's like a, it's a, it makes sense. It does. And you're right. You're right. I hate them, but they're better than Seiko. They're better than Citizen or fucking Bulova. God.
Everett	Like I can figure out what you're talking about, Unimatic. Yeah. That's cool. I don't need to like have some sort of insider knowledge about factories and.
Andrew	Yeah. Like, oh, that's the watch. Compressed into a reference number. Okay, I'm with you. Well done. Salida SW200 movement in the 600 meter dive watch. An NH35 in the threes. Not chronometers, which makes sense. 750 for the steel.
Everett	No, it doesn't. Go ahead. Go ahead.
Andrew	I'm just interlude. Go ahead. Carry on. Okay, so $750 for the 300-meter divers, $1,500 for the titanium. And they're good. They're the U1s. One in titanium with 600 meters of water resistance. I know you can make this a chronometer, but you're going to drive the price up. These are already $1,000 neighborhood watches. I don't know that buying Unimatic watches... I don't know that a chronometer grade is going to capture people who wouldn't otherwise be buying Unimatic.
Everett	I have like three discrete thoughts. Okay. So I'm going to take... Spider web and spider in the corner of my window. I'm going to take them all one at a time. Okay. The first is Unimatic to me feels like a brand that should be more expensive than it is. I think if you are someone who... is looking for something that feels more expensive in your budget, which is at or around $500 to $1,000, Unimatic is a brand that you should be looking at. Because for me, Unimatic is like aesthetically pushing design language outside of their actual price range.
Andrew	Yes, they absolutely are. But they're still generally within that mill watch, mill specced. Sure. Kind of like down market from Zinn. Yes. Who's doing a similar thing, but clearly up market.
Everett	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Andrew	No, that's right, Andrew.
Everett	That's right. Unimatic looks more expensive. And in fact, it happens to me often. We'll be reading about a Unimatic watch, and I'm like, oh, yeah, I forgot. Unimatic is like a deliberately affordable brand. Like if you told me that these were $2,300 watches with high-end Swiss movements, Le Jouperet movements, I would be like, yeah, that makes sense.
Andrew	Yeah, you don't bat an eye. Yeah.
Everett	That makes sense. But they're not. These are sub-thousand, well, two of these are sub-thousand dollar watches. Okay, so that's my first discreet thought. My second discreet thought, and this is a weird one, so forgive me. So Foster, we've got a line. So you're going to have to forgive me. I'm going to talk about the brain of Everett a little bit here. So Foster has a couple of distinct lines in 2035. So one of those lines is the 11 Atmos line. 2035? Yes. We're 10 years down the line. Yeah, yeah. So the 11 Atmos line includes a Skin Diver, which is sort of our sort of flagship affordable watch. It includes a Field Watch, which is less popular, but if you know, you know. It probably also includes some like novelties, maybe a GMT and some other fun watches, okay? Each of these, and probably like a...
Andrew	A thousand meter dive watch with a moon face.
Everett	No, but probably.
Andrew	Because I like that.
Everett	Like a sports watch, okay? And the idea is 11 is enough.
Andrew	Okay.
Everett	We've always talked about that on this show, right? That's the objective watch review, objective watch scale, okay? So this is enough for you guys. But there's also another line, and this was probably the second line we were going to get to, and maybe will, who knows, which is the pro diver line. And when I talk to people about that line, they would say, you can't call it the pro diver because that's like an Invicta. You don't want to have a pro diver. I think pro diver is a word. It's a phrase. And we all know what it means. And I love that Unimatic uses that. Not just because I would also use that, but because I think it makes sense. Pro diver, we all know what that means. Unimatic is like we have our frivolous divers, which are silly and awesome. But this is our more serious pro diver. It's just our dive watch. But we're making this for a serious diver.
Andrew	It's just better.
Everett	Not better. It's just a more serious watch. It's got a countdown timer on the bezel. Or, excuse me, it's got a dive bezel. It's black. Like, this is not frivolous. It's a real diving watch. And if that's what you're interested, get this one. Okay? That's my second thought. Third discreet thought is they moved from the 200-1... to the NH35, and they lowered the price by a lot, but they also increased the thickness by a lot, and I'm not here for it. I'm not here for it. This watch used to be an 11 and change watch, and now it's a 13 millimeter watch. It's cheaper, granted. They took the price from the original, I think it was like $14.95, to now it's Andrew...
Andrew	It is 750. Okay. Hang on. Fine. Fine. Yeah, 750 pounds for a steel.
Everett	But this is the replacement for the original Unimatic Pro Diver, which was thin.
Andrew	Better, yeah.
Everett	And you know what exists between an SW200-1 and an 1-35? A lot. A Miyota 9000. Yeah. And you know what a Miyota 9000 is? Fucking thin. Yeah. I don't know what they've done here. Why would they do this? They've ruined an awesome watch, I think.
Andrew	Yeah, I don't know.
Everett	Why not use the Miota here? I don't get it.
Andrew	I think the Miota is the better choice, but I'm also not.
Everett	It's $850 with the Miota movement, right? Or $900 with the Miota. If they want to get the price down, and that's what they want.
Andrew	For a 41.5 millimeter dive watch designed this way, I'm not offended by 13.2.
Unknown	Me either. Except, Andrew, that before it was fucking awesome, and now it's pedestrian.
Andrew	Yeah. Yeah. That's it for me. The titanium's 12.3.
Everett	I'm never buying this watch. At 11 and change, I'm probably going to... If this is under 1,000 and 11 and change, which they could have done with a 90S5... Yeah, they could have. Or a 9015... Sign me the fuck up, dude. So the titanium still has the Salida 200-1, which is a problematic movement. But obviously... But the Salida 200 ever. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. That's right. It's what's in the Formex. It's what's in everything. That's fine. But it's also a $1,600 titanium watch. Yeah. I'm fine with that. I'm fine with that. I like it. I wish that watch had the 9,000 in it. Frankly. Over the Solita, huh? Yes. Yeah. Yes. I think for me, you've got the NH35 for a $400, $500 watch. For an $800 watch, you've got a Miota 9000. And for a $1,500 watch or a $2,000 watch, the Jouperet. And for me, that's it. And I think Le Jupre's are still pretty expensive, so maybe that's unrealistic.
Andrew	But... I think to get an... That's what I want.
Everett	I want to get rid of Etta 2892 and Salida 2. Just let's stop. Let's just pretend they don't exist because we don't need them. We got Seiko. We got Miyota. We got Le Jupre. Let's pretend those other movements don't exist. I think... Because they suck. Well, no. They're expensive. They're expensive. And they kind of suck. They have problems.
Andrew	They do in a way that Miyota and Seiko do not.
Everett	Yeah. Anyway, that's it. Three discreet thoughts. Sorry to take over your watch. I wanted to talk about it. Andrew, other things. What do you got?
Andrew	Okay. I have another thing. So I was scrolling the tiles the other day looking for something to watch and came across... new tv show uh and the trailer looked really good uh this is a um franchise that i absolutely adore what has happened so it's a franchise that began the 70s and 80s and then took a little bit of a hiatus had a couple little reboots and in the last 10 years has been treated with such regard Alien Earth is a new FX show that has two episodes out right now. I burned through them. And the last 10 years, Alien has been treated almost like... I mean, with regard, like with reverence in the way of new movies that stay within the canon. You know, you have that period in the 90s and 2000s where you've got Alien vs. Predator and like some kind of oddities that, you know, they were fun, but they didn't, they weren't really alien. Alien Earth. Was absolutely fantastic. They keep you in the universe of Alien. And keep Alien fully involved. But they're telling this other story within the Alien universe that was just fantastic. They're somehow making the original Alien trilogy stand up better. They're like... they're like ramjack they're showing up and they're lifting up the foundation of these original canon films and it's just fantastic uh so what i did is i burned up those two episodes and i was like well i'm in an alien mood so i started watching chronologically alien uh and i got through um That wasn't even the first one. Prometheus. Okay. Prometheus is great. Which I hadn't watched in a long time. And then I got into Covenant and Romulus. And I was like, oh my gosh. How do you make prequels that make the originals better? Because there weren't plot holes in Alien, right? This is just a new universe. You accept that this is it. There was no world building. You're dropped into it, and you have to accept the world that you've been introduced to. An alien alien. Yeah, an alien alien, right? No S. Yeah, and then you get through all these prequels that are now the modern movies, and all those, oh, how did this happen, are answered in such a beautiful way. And they don't, it's not... It's not handed to you, right? It's not served up on a platter. But they create the link that you have to think through and you have to achieve. And man, Alien Earth fits super well in this universe. I'm really excited for subsequent episodes. It's created by Noah Hawley, who also did Fargo, Legion. He's worked on a good many other shows. So he's... he's a known factor. The casting in alien earth makes sense. Timothy Oliphant, uh, Oliphant, Oliphant, uh, isn't it? He's like that. He's fantastic. Cause he's not a guy you'd ever expect, but like the, the, when he shows up and he's there, it's just like, it fits. Uh, it's really good.
Everett	I think he is one of my favorite actors, like my favorite serial actors, because he has this. I was. He has this ability to sort of like. Both be sort of. tongue-in-cheek, self-referential meta, like breaking the fourth wall levels of... humility but also like has these like roles that are really serious and he's a fantastic he's one of my favorite super underutilized too and i think that's maybe what makes him so good is when he's there it just he's he's the perfect round peg for the whole so we're gonna have to come back to this but i'm gonna throw something out for you to think about and then maybe we'll come back to this so i've there's there's three movies so one is the original alien movie okay Two is First Blood, and three is Rocky. These first movies in these series, I have a feeling about. There was something that was happening around that time in film that these three movies, if you look at these three movies... In a vacuum, each of the three of them almost have nothing to do with the world that they inspired. And each of them is one of, and I'm not going to pull any punches here, one of the greatest cinematic pieces of art ever made. Each of those three movies in very different ways. And and they've inspired these like really cool but less serious worlds. And I want to at some point I want us maybe on the show, maybe somewhere else to talk about that thing that was happening at that very specific period of time. Anyway, I'll move on.
Unknown	Hmm.
Everett	Maybe someone has written this college thesis, but I think there is a master's or perhaps a PhD thesis on this thing.
Andrew	Probably.
Everett	I think so. And so we'll come back to it. That's all I want to say. My other thing, Andrew. Can we talk a little bit more about these drams?
Andrew	We can. So I'm intrigued. The way you're excited about my guessing is... is leading me to believe that there's no world where I'll ever. No, never, never. I don't think even country where these are from.
Everett	Okay, so let's, okay, quickly, we'll quickly recap. I've got two boozes in front of you. One of them is a very light straw color. The other is a very dark copper color. The light straw color, we're getting bright orchard fruits. um wine like fresh oaky wine like okay almost bright orchard fruits pears green apple chardonnay dryness and and perhaps a bit of oak woodiness the other We're getting a dark fig, raisin, some oak, but more like fruit syrup thickness. Okay. So these are both.
Andrew	My proof guess was way off, right? These drink fairly low proof.
Everett	You said one of them was 100.
Andrew	I think you said... I think I placed the Chardonnay at 100. Yep. And this at 110. Okay, they're both 120.
Everett	Okay. Almost exactly 120. Not exactly, but almost exactly 120. These are both the same distillate. Interesting. They're both aged roughly 7 to 10 years. Hmm. They're both single malts. They're both scotches.
Andrew	I got a little flash of peat in this darker one.
Everett	Unpeated. Both of them unpeated.
Andrew	Really?
Everett	These are Abalor... Abana, and one of them is the Abanad Alba. So Abanad is Abalor's sort of experimental cask strength series. The original Abanad is aged in Aloraso sherry butts for roughly 7 to 10 years. They're non-age stated. And then the Alba... So the sherry butts is the darker, more sort of figgy, jammy.
Andrew	Which makes sense.
Everett	That's right. It's very sherry forward. And you heard that and your eyes instantly were like, aha, yes. So kind of like a Macallan vibe. It's a space side scotch.
Andrew	Yeah, it does. It has a little bit of that.
Everett	It's a sherry forward, but it's different because it's cask strength. The other one, the Alba, is first fill bourbon casks.
Unknown	Yeah.
Everett	So first fill sherry casks on the original Abunah and the Alba first fill bourbon casks. And so in the one, we get this really sherry forward. What's more interesting to me is the Alba. Yeah. Which is, you know, when we think of bourbon, this does have some bourbon notes in it. And even some rye notes, I think, because you get a little pepper. It's really bright.
Andrew	It's crazy bright. It's like drinking wine.
Everett	It's a summer drink.
Andrew	Yeah.
Everett	It's a cold, like white wine. You're right. So I bought both of these, which is like $250 worth of scotch because I was so fascinated by what I read about these. And I was like, oh, I got to try those. These are the types of drinks that make me curious about like now I'm going to become a scotch guy because I'm like these things are fucking fantastic. Okay. And actually, I'm not sure I'm going to become a scotch guy because I don't think there's anything else in scotch that's like this.
Andrew	No, there's... I mean, they exist, but they're... Few and far between. They're few and far between. I think Macallan is a really good comparison to draw to the darker one. Yeah, that's right. Because Macallan drinks really similar, but Macallan has more scotchy, like stereotypical scotchy...
Everett	notes i think you get all of that here from for me especially when i go back from the alba i get that all here i want for you to try downstairs probably not today because we're probably blown out i'm i'm not let's keep it going um That's my other thing. Abalor, Abena and Abena Alba. Now these are Scotch words and I'm pronouncing them as close as possible.
Andrew	To the spelling?
Everett	To what I think they're supposed. No, not to the spelling. The spelling is A-B-U-N-A-D-A. But that's not how it's pronounced. And so I'm like doing an approximation of a Scottish pronunciation. But it's not there. So forgive me.
Andrew	I'll need to see the bottles to. I got them.
Everett	I brought them. I brought them.
Andrew	Aberlour? Yes.
Everett	Aberlour, Abunah, and Abunad Alba. I'm telling you, it's like all of a sudden I think I'm a scotch guy. And maybe I'm not because I've tasted a bunch of other scotches that I have and I'm like, oh, Le Goblin 16? Yeah, thanks. I'm fine.
Andrew	I'm good. I mean, that's a... It's a basic bitch scotch. But it's also known to be almost like a novelty because of the iodine in it. And I really like the 16. But you have to like that flavor profile to enjoy it.
Everett	And I don't really know all that much about scotch. I gotta admit, I know a lot about bourbons. I don't know that much about scotch. So when we talk about like, oh, what's a Speyside? What's an Islay or whatever? I don't really know. I know that these are fucking amazing whiskeys. That's what I know. Like kind of blew my mind.
Andrew	I wish I would have guessed because my last taste before you spilled, I was like, oh, that could be scotch whiskey.
Everett	You know, and I accidentally said it earlier. And you were like, they're not scotches. And I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Andrew	Oh.
Everett	I accidentally said it. I was like, fucking idiot. Really good. Very good. And we've just had probably.
Andrew	When I saw this color, I should have gotten scotch. I went Japanese, obviously. Which makes sense.
Everett	They're single malts, right? And they feel like they could be Japanese. They feel very much like they could be because they don't feel like scotch. The higher proof points, like Aberlour is a cool distillery. So anyway, I don't think I'm going to become a Scotch guy, but these two whiskeys sort of like kind of opened my eyes. I was like, whoa.
Andrew	When we eventually go to Scotland, I am going to go to my Laphroaig plots.
Everett	Cool. Let's do it. These are fantastic.
Andrew	Have you ever done that? When you buy Laphroaig, if you mail in, you get a lease to a one-by-one square of the property.
Everett	Can you actually go to your square?
Andrew	Yeah, you can visit it. If you go to the distillery, they can. That's really cool. Yeah. That's really cool. This is mine. I wrecked a little. A little domicile on it.
Everett	I don't know which one I like better, Andrew.
Andrew	I think I like this one better.
Everett	Is that the Alba? Mm-hmm. So for me, I go back and forth so that the Alba, that's the one that you wouldn't, for me, I wouldn't be able to tell that's a scotch. And so I drink that and I'm like, whoa, this is really fucking good. But the regular sherry forward Avanade, the Oloroso.
Andrew	You're not even able to tell that this is a whiskey. This is just a really fascinating. It's so good. It almost drinks like a cocktail or like maybe a really light barley wine.
Everett	I think if you want a scotch. So I was thinking about this. If you want scotch, if you're like, I want to drink scotch, you might not like this. But I think if you're like, I don't care what I drink. I just want something that's delicious. And it's 85 degrees outside. And it's August. And you put that maybe with an ice cube.
Andrew	God damn.
Everett	Yes, please.
Andrew	Yeah, I think you put a rock in here. Yeah. This is like how you get white guy wasted.
Unknown	Yeah.
Andrew	Instead of white girl wasted. Like it's not rosé all day.
Everett	And we've had four ounces of this. So I poured us each two ounces of each of these because I knew we had an hour to drink them. So I feel it. I think you do too. Yeah. Four ounces of the, it was 120 proof, each of these, which it's really hard to find scotch over 43, much less 60. Mm-hmm. And there are a few of them. I think famously Glen Farkless 105 is a cask strength. There's a few Glen Livets that are out there. Glendernock, I think, has a cask strength. There are a handful of cask strength Scotches out there, but this is atypical, which I think is what attracted me to it coming from the bourbon world. Like my bourbon nerd was like, oh, cask strength Scotch? Yes, please. Especially unpeated, right? Because I'm not a huge fan of peat smoke.
Andrew	Oh, you might. I'm not going to give you what I have then.
Everett	No, I want to try. Okay. Yeah, I want to try.
Andrew	It's a little frog element.
Everett	I drink peated shit too.
Andrew	You drink shit?
Everett	Andrew, anything else you want to add? No, I'm out of things. All right. Listen, you guys. I want to thank you once again for joining us for this episode of 40 in 20, the Watch Clicker podcast. Do me a favor. Go to our website. It's watchclicker.com. And that's where we post articles and reviews and notes and other fun things about watches. If you want to follow us on social media, it's Instagram is where we're at. And you can do that at WatchClicker or at 40and20 underscore WatchClicker. We post mostly just pictures. That's what we post there, pictures. If you want to support us, and really we hope you do. I did the math. We've got over $1,000 of hosting every year that we have to pay. And so we barely get there with the support we get. If you want to go to patreon.com slash 40 and 20 and support us, it would really mean the world to us, okay? That's how we keep this thing going and that's how our wives don't kill us. And if you want to tune back in next Tuesday for another hour of watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like, we'd love it.
Unknown	Bye-bye.