Omega Bonks, and the Best Doxa Ever (351)

Published on Mon, 21 Jul 2025 22:26:56 -0700

Synopsis

In this episode of the 40 in 20 Watch Clicker podcast, hosts Andrew and Everett discuss several new watch releases and developments in the watch industry. They cover the new IFL Watches special release on the Doxa Sub 200 platform featuring a sea turtle design, Titoni's Seascoper chronograph, a new Omega Seamaster with orange accents, and Laurier's collaboration with The Urban Gentry on a Weems-style pilot's watch. They also discuss Omega's current market challenges and declining sales figures. The hosts share personal stories about cooking with a Blackstone griddle and pancake-making techniques, and conclude with a review of the Netflix series "Zero Day" starring Robert De Niro.

The conversation delves into technical specifications of various watches while also exploring broader industry trends and challenges faced by major watch brands. The hosts provide informed commentary on design choices, pricing strategies, and market positioning of different watch manufacturers. Their discussion reflects both their technical knowledge of watches and their ability to contextualize new releases within the broader watch industry landscape.

Transcript

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Andrew Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to 40 in 20, the Watch Clicker podcast with your hosts, Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here, we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like.
Everett Everett, how are you? I'm doing really well. I had a nice morning. It's Sunday. I woke up kind of early, kind of early. Woke up and like, that's like the time that I get the house totally to myself.
Andrew I can't wait for those days.
Everett It's from like 6.30 to it's now 9.30. And everyone's still asleep. It was just me and Larry and a pot of coffee. Nice. Glorious. Yeah. Not that I need to be alone, but that is like the house in that quiet.
Andrew But when you live with a spouse and kids...
Everett Yeah, three. Yeah, that's right.
Andrew The opportunities for like solitude are few in your own home, right? Like to be in your chair or on your couch. With no interruptions. No other voices. No weird sounds. Because the amount of weird sounds that kids make. Who's that comic that his whole thing is just making weird noises? Oh, I don't know. But you know who I'm talking about, right? The black guy who just does all kinds of silly sounds.
Everett The guy from Police Academy?
Andrew Yeah.
Everett No. Yeah. Yeah. The guy who has like sound effects.
Andrew Yeah. He is the sound effect guy. I don't remember his name. Uh, but that's like what's, what's like having kids for those of you who don't, it's just constant weird noise. Uh, so yeah, those like moments of solitude and I, I am, I get a lot of them because my weekends, because your schedule is different. My weekends coincide with everybody else's not weekend. So I get like whole days to myself and I really, really appreciate them. So I'm sensitive to the fact that not everyone gets to enjoy solitude on the couch and just like turn on the tour to France and watch it totally unimpeded. Yeah. Yeah.
Everett And I didn't watch tour of France because I just don't have, I couldn't find it in myself to care. After our conversation last week, I kind of looked, I kind of looked a little bit like. Oh, maybe. And I was like, nope, I really don't care.
Andrew I am one day behind. But I've watched every stage at this point. I haven't watched the entirety of the two time trial days. I watched a lot of the last time trial.
Everett Are you watching them on replay so you can like condense? What do you mean? Well, how long are the stages? They're long, right?
Andrew Yeah, it's like four or five hours.
Everett And you're watching four or five hours?
Andrew Yep.
Everett Oh, man. Okay.
Andrew It's not like I'm not sitting watching it, but it's like running while I'm – because it's a long race, right? It's not like watching F1. It's not like watching horse racing where it's like an hour maybe, hour and a half. It's a day-long affair. So the time trials I haven't completed, but all the other stages have run to completion.
Everett Okay.
Andrew No, I mean, look, I'm like, for example, one of them is running downstairs right now. Like the, the second mountain, like big mountain stage is running downstairs right now. And we're, we're not, I'm not watching it. Peloton just cut up to the chase group.
Everett And look, I'm a guy who spends a lot of time watching golf, professional golf. So there's zero judgment from me. As we sit here today, Scotty Scheffler is four strokes up. Four strokes up with four to play.
Andrew What's happening?
Everett There is a reasonable... there's a reasonable belief that Scotty Shuffler is about to become the next Tiger Woods or perhaps Jack Nicklaus.
Andrew I'd be more apt to accept Jack Nicklaus than Tiger Woods.
Everett That suggests that Tiger Woods was better than Jack Nicklaus?
Andrew No, better in a different, not better necessarily, but just different. Okay. He showed up and then was just like there and dominant.
Everett I mean, that's how Jack Nicklaus was. It's reasonable to believe that that might be happening with Scotty Scheffler right now. We're seeing dominance at a level that we haven't seen very much. Now, this happens every couple of years where you say, oh, it was Jon Rahm, no matter who it is. But right now, Scotty Scheffler is... So far ahead of the next best golfer in the world, probably Rory, that it's crazy.
Andrew But Rory had his moment in the sun where it was like, oh, is he the next?
Everett And then Rory kind of like... Yeah, but it's never been like this where he's won at this level. I mean... Anyway, it's early. It's early, but Scotty Scheffler, yeah, four strokes ahead. He's about to win the Open. It's crazy. Crazy. But we're not here to talk about golf or solitude or the Tour de France. We're here to talk about watches.
Andrew It's been super exciting, man. Today is just like...
Everett So, yeah, who's the best? Is there one or two or three?
Andrew So, Tadej Pajeka was kind of an early favorite going into it. There were some dudes who have had really incredible seasons who were like, maybe this guy's going to be able to make a run for it. Jonas Vingegaard is kind of the second favorite. He's the... He's maybe the... He's the challenger. Yeah, the challenger and... Thus far, Tade has just, he's just had the legs. No one has been able to offer a meaningful challenge. He has the King of the Mountain and the yellow jersey, but he wears the yellow jersey. So the guy in the second place of the King of the Mountain gets to wear it. Can you imagine being like, I'm second place in this jersey and I shouldn't be wearing it because it's not actually mine. I'm just like holding the place. That's funny. But yeah, this guy has just been super dominant. He will go down. If he can stay healthy, he will be the greatest cyclist doping or post-doping or pre-doping ever.
Everett Better than Lance Armstrong.
Andrew Yeah, who doped, lost a nut, kept doping, and just kept blowing it out of the water. Todd A. is just phenomenal. He's crazy, too.
Everett I think the thing about Lance Armstrong is if he hadn't been such a dick, I think his legacy wouldn't be so tarnished. Because everyone was doping. Everyone was doping, that's right. The reason everybody hates Lance Armstrong is not because he was doping. It's because he was a total...
Andrew Dick to, um, Sheryl Crow, right?
Everett Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, just, just in general too, like he was just a dick.
Andrew I mean, if you can't get like proper broadcasting jobs after your professional career, it's not great. Watches Andrew go. Oh boy. You're really, you're laying it on me. Uh, so I, I, I, We have some overlap in a brand and then some not overlap. So I want to talk about that. I want to start with another IFL Watches special release. This is on the Sub 200 platform, which I think is... I think the Sub 200 is really underappreciated for what it is because it's Doxa. I hate it. I hate it. But you hate it because it's Doxa. If any other brand were logoed at the 12 o'clock, I think you'd really like this watch.
Everett Oh, that's an interesting statement, Andrew. I'll think about that. I'm not willing to tell you you're wrong at this point.
Andrew Right. The dimensions on this thing are good, right? We have a 42 millimeter dive watch, 45 lug to lug, 14 thick, 200 meters of water resistance, and it's under 2000 bucks, right? This is a prospect dive watch. And I think what you don't like about it, and I think what we as a watch community don't like about it, is that it's a Doxa that isn't Doxa.
Everett Well, 14 millimeters is too thick for this watch.
Andrew But this is that.
Everett I do agree with you, though. I think I do agree with you that if this was a... Or a jean.
Andrew Or a jean. Or take your pick of other... I might like it better. Legacy brands. I think everyone's on board with it. But it's a Doxa that isn't.
Everett I'm still going to say 14 is too thick, but I think you might be right, Andrew, other than that.
Andrew So this is the Aquamarine Reef Turtle, and this is absolutely without... any hesitation my favorite ifl watches release uh so it's this it's the oh gosh i don't remember the the turquoise blue colorway on the bezel and this dial is hand painted big ass sea turtle in a beautiful colorful reef setting with a diver taking a photograph of it behind it. And I think part of what really like hit me about this dial When I went to Hawaii 10 years ago, we were snorkeling out in the reef, and I got a little bit tumbled in some rocks and surf. And I kind of righted myself, and I took a little gasp, and I got back under the water and kind of got my bearings and looked up. And perspective-wise... this far away from a sea turtle when you're looking at this dial like I'm face to face with a sea turtle and sea turtles are not small so you at home he just held his hands about two feet apart yeah okay I'm just making sure well no the perspective of this dial this is this is what I saw through my through my goggles was this fucking sea turtle just like looking me in the face and they always have this kind of like wry smile like you're committing a federal offense by just looking at me at this close what up And I like shouted underwater because number one, this thing is fucking huge. This thing is like bigger than my torso. And two feet away and smiling at me and I'm committing a federal crime. And I saw this dial and I was like, oh, my gosh, this takes me right back to that moment that was so like scary because I was like getting tumbled by the ocean. And I'm a I'm a good swimmer. But I'm also like the ocean's the ocean. So there's like that little bit of fear of like, oh, I might be in a little bit of trouble here because I'm getting tumbled. There's rocks. I like get my bearings. There's a turtle now. I'm committing a crime. not really because it wasn't intentional, but like just all of these like emotions of this really fun memory that I had were totally captured by this dial. And, and it's, it's a beautiful dial, right? These are all hand done, like true artistry that just grabbed me in such a unique way that I just, I love this watch. And these are, you know, they're on a IFL watches prices, they're $2,000. It's $17.95, right?
Everett Swiss range, so $2,000. Okay, sure. Yeah, so this color of Doxa is aquamarine, Andrew. I know you were looking for that and couldn't quite catch it, so I got the assist. Thank you, appreciate it. Aquamarine. Yeah, one interesting thing to note. So you can definitely see the aquamarine pushing through the painting here. Because it's such a perfect ocean, like surface, like three feet of water. Although what I will say is, and I actually, I didn't come up with this myself. I read about it on Fratello. You can't see any of the minute track markers because they've all been painted over. A lot of paint on this. It's really beautiful. We're always going to have opinions about things like this. I'm not a huge fan. I'm not sure that I'd want to paint it out. I just, I can appreciate what they're doing and I think some people love this. It feels kind of kitschy to me.
Andrew It is, but that's a handmade, this is kitsch, right? This is what it is. It's a thing. He does it. People dig it because he grabs things and like evokes emotions like the honeycomb that we talked about either last week or the week before.
Everett I don't have to buy it and I'm not mad at it existing. Um, still, I still don't like that. I don't like, you know what? It's not just Andrew. Sorry. I'm sorry. I'm going to go back to the, to the sub 200 team. You're wrong. It's not just that it's a doc set. It's too flat. The twisted lugs are beautiful, but contrived in this context. The overall shape of the watch is shmedium. The bezel's boring. I just don't love this watch, actually. And it's too thick. It's 14 millimeters thick. And you know how I know it's too thick? I'll tell you how I know it's too thick. Because the next watch we're going to talk about, also a Doxa. Yep. Also the Doxa. This is the rebirth of the Doxa 750T, a watch that Doxa released something like 20 years ago and then hasn't really sold in many, many years. Hasn't sold, period, in many years. Doxa's reintroducing the 750T and they're doing so as Doxa's third sort of tribute to Clive Cussler. So they brought this back. It's a limited edition. I can't remember how many pieces it is. Do you remember?
Andrew Oh, look.
Everett It's 150, I think. 94 numbered pieces because it's 94th birthday. Got it. 94, yeah. So this would have been Clive Cussler's 94th birthday. And so they brought back... They brought back the 750T, but they've taken two entire millimeters off this 750 meter watch, making it an absolutely incredible 11.95 millimeters.
Andrew It's the slimmest watch they make.
Everett This is a 45 millimeter case with a 47 millimeter lug to lug. Obviously, we get kind of a big C. shaped case, and it's under 12 millimeters thick.
Andrew Which means they can do it.
Everett It is nuts. That's nuts. That's so freaking cool. So this watch, 94 pieces. It is only in the pro dial. That is, of course, what Dirk Pitt wore. Clive Cussler being a big fan of... Doxa, in particular, the 300T, he wrote his character to wear a Doxa 300T, which is the same watch that Jacques Cousteau wore. This is, of course, the 750T, which, I don't know, that's a decision. And on the dial, we've got a National Underwater Marine Agency. You may not know this, but Clive Cussler founded an organization, an American organization called NUMA, or National Underwater Marine Agency. And it's an agency dedicated to finding and visiting shipwrecks. And they've visited a whole bunch of them. It's a cool company. Clive Cussler founded that. Look, this watch is just freaking cool. Yeah. It's just cool.
Andrew It's still available right now.
Everett Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're expensive. They're three grand. Roughly. They're not expensive. For a Doxa, they're relatively expensive. I don't know.
Andrew I think if you look at their kind of trajectory of pricing for watches, it's aligned.
Everett Yeah, yeah. It's about right. I mean, is the 750T the new 300? Because holy crap. It's under 12 millimeters thick.
Andrew If we see an upgrade of the 300 and 300T in the next two, three years to pull that thickness down, holy shit. That'd be the biggest thing Dox has done since it introduced watches.
Everett So 45 is a big case, but I think with the really short lug-to-lug on this, 47 millimeters, this thing's going to wear terrific. It is a big C case. Beads of Rice bracelet. It's got turtle vibes. Is that fair to say, Andrew? Yeah, I accept. But also turtle vibes or Doxa vibes. Yeah. This is a home run. I really hope the 750T, this new 750T, becomes part of Doxa's permanent collection. I think this is the best watch Doxa makes.
Andrew It might be in there. Having not touched it. And they're only making 94 of them.
Everett Having not touched it on paper, I believe this is the best watch, Docs and Pigs.
Andrew Yeah, the 300's 13.4. That's right.
Everett With 300 meters of water resistance.
Andrew That's the thin one. Yeah. Because the 300T, hang on, where are we at? The 300T is like 14.5? It's thick. Hang on. I'm pulling it up.
Everett Hit. 1365 for the 300T.
Andrew Okay. But for 1,200 meters of water resistance. So, you know, you're adding 500. I don't know. I think the 300T is acceptably dimensioned given its specs.
Everett Sure. Except that it's... Almost three quarters of a millimeter thicker than the 750T. Anywho.
Andrew Anywho. This is great. This is also the first Clive Cussler release that doesn't have a weird... aging on the case so this is a looks like brand new in box there's no patina there's no aging there's no tarnishing this is a brand new pro doxa polished stainless steel, bright dial, not, it's Doxa lume, so it's not Fotina. It's just Doxa lume on the Pro. It's a touch yellowed, but not. No, I mean, it's just cream color. I don't think it's, yeah. It's just Doxa lume. So this is the first appearing new Clive Cussler release they're doing. And I really hope the 750, So what I love... It becomes a line. I love everything about it. Because if they make this a permanent line and they do a Caribbean or a Shark Hunter in it, I'm going this over 300T.
Everett I mean, I would too. Yeah, frankly. Love the Pneuma logo. The only thing I don't love about this watch, and this is, you know, it's tough to do watches like this, tribute watches, right? Like... James Bond watches, right? Sometimes they're done really well. Other times it's like over the top. Usually pretty bad. Here we've got a new logo at 6.30. Love it. Yeah, 7.30 is right. That is 7.30. But then at 4 o'clock, we've got sub 750T, which is kind of standard. Balances it though. And under that it says Clive Cussler. That's a no for me. It's a no for me, dog. I don't want my watch doll to say Clive Cussler. I think I agree with you. If they want to put that on the case back, I'm fine. But on the dial, just give me the Pneuma logo. That's cool.
Andrew That's a far better tribute, I think, than the name. The packaging on it is cool as shit, though. Yeah, it's cool packaging. The box is a hollowed out book.
Unknown Mm-hmm.
Andrew Which is just, I don't know. It's cool. Everything about this is a great special edition watch.
Everett Yeah. Yeah, it's really beautiful. And it's just a great watch. Well done, Doxa.
Andrew Yeah. Which is not usually something we say about their special editions. We usually have a couple good bitches.
Everett Yeah, that's true. My only bitch is a really minor one on this guy. Okay.
Andrew Oh, I have a fun thing to talk about. Okay. Laco is celebrating their 100th anniversary. That's crazy, right? Right? And they're giving away 100 watches. And the only way to get this limited edition colorway is by getting it for free from Laco. So this special edition watch is being built on the... Oh, what the shit? That's not... My article changed. I got forwarded to the next thing. What the... So this is a type A... Flieger watch with this really gorgeous like. Brick red dial that is beautifully textured. You're shaking your head like you don't like it. A little heavy handed on the dial texture, but I'm OK. I love this like sandy texture. And the only way to get these type A's in this like brick kind of like. burnt red is to get it for free. That's the coolest limited edition I've ever heard of, right? You can't buy this watch, but for the secondary market, it's not so limited that like three people are going to get them. It's a hundred people who participate in their giveaway process.
Everett practices which were kind of unclear on how they're gonna yeah i think it's a whole bunch of different things how they're gonna give them away i think i think it's just gonna they're gonna have like online shop giveaways they're gonna have social media proposed promotions newsletter activities just an email that hey you got one media partner collaborations so they're gonna like spread them out
Andrew So over the next hundred days, starting on July 19th, which was yesterday, Laco is going to give away these hundred red type A's for their hundredth anniversary. And I think that's super cool. That's one of the coolest anniversary watches I think we've ever seen. Right. You know, we see all we see anniversary watches for everything. And none of them are 100 tree watches over 100 days that the only way to get it from Laco or from the brand is by getting it.
Everett Have we talked at all about the naming convention of the watch? So the watch, this is actually called the Laco Frida. Oh, yeah. And that name is a reference to Laco's co-founder, Frida Locker, who was a woman. She was a woman. And really one of the only women. in the history of watchmaking, going back this far. So kind of a cool deal. You never, never, never hear about a brand celebrating a 100th anniversary that had a figurehead, a female figurehead. at the foray of the business. So here we are.
Andrew I mean, there's nothing that has a hundred year anniversary for a female figurehead, but for the American Red Cross.
Everett Yeah. I mean, you just never hear of this. So pretty cool. And I love the Locos celebrating it. So they say in 1925, when women were rarely seen in business leadership roles, founding a company was anything but ordinary. It was a bold move, a sign of true strength and vision that still resonates a century later. So that's pretty stinking neat.
Andrew Yeah, serialized on the side of the case. And it's a type A, right? This is a very Laco watch. There's nothing super groundbreaking about it, but it's a lovely watch.
Everett I figure these are set to be very, very, very valuable watches.
Andrew Yeah, they're going to make some money on the secondary market. Because anybody who gets one is going to make some money on it. I think that's right. These figure to be very... There'll be a bill for sure.
Everett Very valuable watches. Okay. Okay. I like what you did there. I'm going to talk about a brand that we don't... I don't think we've ever talked about Andrew.
Andrew Oh, interesting.
Everett Because they've not released watches before? No. This is an old brand. This is a 106-year-old brand called Titoni. So Titoni is a brand that I have been aware of. That's not the one. For quite a while, but maybe didn't truly appreciate until pretty recently when I was inspired to kind of go back and look at Titoni. What is Titoni? So Titoni is a Swiss company. They are independent. micro-brand company owned by the Schloop, I'm going to say that, maybe wrong, family, in Switzerland since 1990. Truly independent, not a micro-brand perhaps, but a heritage brand. Small, family-owned for well over 100 years now. Which puts them in some pretty cool company, right? Yes. Constantly operated. So the reason we don't know about Titoni is because despite being a truly Swiss brand making watches in Switzerland and the way people make things in Switzerland, I'll just asterisk. It's important. Yeah. Tony has been deliberately, since about the 40s, marketed to and in China. So it's a Swiss company that has focused its efforts on the Chinese watch market. So their logo is a flower, and I'm blanking. I should know what it is. But it's a Chinese flower or a flower that's intended to resonate with Chinese... with chinese customers so the whole brand is really or has been historically focused on china now i would say you know we're about 15 years into everything being global right there's no there's very few brands that are just in one community um so to tony like all watch brands is a global brand now and perhaps always has been but maybe not quite appreciated for what they are. So this watch is a Titoni watch that comes in their Seascoper line. Seascoper was a dive watch introduced by Titoni, I wanna say in 2020. and that was the Seascoper 600. That 2020 Seascoper 600, I think, is a really interesting watch. So first, if you look at a Seascoper watch, you're going to think what I think, which is this is a pretty subby case. A pretty subby case. The original Seascoper... pretty hydro conquest in terms of the dial. So we've got like a hydro conquest, conquest dial in a sub case. That's not totally fair, but it's also not totally unfair. Um, not a huge fan. They later introduced the C scoper 300, which, uh, chronometer, which you, you might not be surprised to learn is a slightly less beefy version, both 42 millimeter watches. The watch we're talking about today is neither of those things. Rather, this is the Seascoper 300, excuse me, I'm getting this wrong, 300 bi-compact chronograph. So what this is, is a bi-compact chronograph in a 300 case, which is to say the slightly less beefy case. But this thing is... a full on chronometer grade chronograph and it's dope. This thing is dope. We've got a screw down chronograph buttons. 300 meters, beautiful bicompact style. It's available in four colorways, a black on black, a black on navy, a black on green, a really dark sort of emerald. jd emerald dark dark dark and then a two-tone and then a two-tone with a gold bezel pvd um these all have these all have their solita sw510 which is a 7500 architecture automatic chronograph movement they've got lacquered dials with silver recessed in the sub dials um 41 millimeters by 15 and a half, which is thick, but for a dive chronograph.
Andrew With the 70-70-50 base.
Everett Not crazy. Totally in the realm of what we'd expect. Three-link bracelet, and they started about $3,200.
Andrew So when I saw these, I was like, oh, this company is making Black Bay 58s.
Everett Oh, interesting.
Andrew They do have a bit of wealth because of Black Bay. Yeah, but it was the pushers that was like, oh, that's a 58. And then I looked at this watch some more, and I learned a little bit more about the brand, and I was like, oh, these companies kind of evolved together.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. Well, this is a newer watch, so I don't think the comparisons to Rolex or Tudor are unfair in this case. But to Tony themselves have their own sort of heritage.
Andrew I think there's a there's a very real difference from buying similarly structured watches that have existed for like between legacy brands than there is like a brand new brand dropping a Black Bay 58 chronograph. And a legacy brand. This was interesting. I saw this watch and I was like, I know that brand. Why do I know that brand? I looked at it and I'm like, okay. I dig this. I think this is maybe one of the better options to start dipping your toes into the luxury kind of heritage world that no one knows about.
Everett You know, if you're going to put sub-homages on a spectrum, I'm going to set up a spectrum right now of sub-homages. On one end, I'm going to put the Genalte. Okay. And then on the other end, I'm going to put the Manta... um what's their uh ocean ocean king i'm i'm gonna take those two watches and make that spectrum this lands somewhere in between those but much much closer to the montesat i think right and genault is just like i'm a sub but for the logo and ocean king is like i'm doing subby things But doing my own thing, too. And I don't think Justin would, you know, I don't think the Montague guys would, Justin or Mike, would hesitate to characterize.
Andrew And even if they did, like when you look at the end product, like object or don't.
Everett That's right. They wouldn't hesitate to allow us to characterize, though. I don't think so. Anyway, this lands to me much closer to that Ocean King side on that spectrum. It's clearly an homage, though. And it lands in between those two. It does. But is it... I guess... This feels more to me like Squal-A or something, right? Where you've got this heritage brand that's somewhere along the line like... They've got this watch in their catalog. Yeah.
Andrew Right. It's different than Hanhart or different than... Oh, there's another brand. It doesn't matter. There's a dozen that do it. It's different because of how long this company has been producing watches and the depth of their catalog and the depth of their organic... I do think the Seascoper is a pretty new model for them. It is a new model for them, but the depth of their catalog, the inspiration of their design, the evolution of their design, and if we're being fair, the Sub is one of, if not the... Most boring watch ever created.
Everett I don't know that it's super boring, but I think because of where it sits in terms of like design, watch design language, it winds up being the platonic neutral.
Andrew Yeah, there is nothing and yet everything special about the sub. It is a wildly simple case because it's because of what it was designed to do, right? Nobody talks shit about everyone having a 10 ounce hammer. Every single fucking brand makes a 10 ounce hammer with a claw tooth and they all look the fucking same. And there is a wild debate over whose hammer is the best. But the fact of the matter is the design is the best and And anyone can do it because it's so simple, it's so purpose-driven, and it does exactly what it's supposed to do every single time, which is drive the nail. And in the watch world, it does exactly what it's supposed to do because it keeps your movement dry, it keeps it safe, and it keeps running.
Everett Well, speaking purely of design language, I think it is not controversial to say that to Tony, if you go back and look at their vintage archives, you've got a lot of like... constellation vibes you get like because these are direct sub submariner set you get some date just they're all happening contemporaneously well no no no no it's more than that andrew sorry you're yeah no okay You're getting direct, direct homages, more so even than this is an homage. So it's not unfair to make that criticism of vintage to Tony. With that said, this watch, I think we perhaps have unfairly bypassed it in our examination of watches. And I think it's really cool. And I really love this $3,000. super legit. I'd like to get my hands on these at some point because it seems like a really, really cool watch. So to Tony, cool brand. If you've never looked at them, the reason you haven't looked at them is because they've been focused for a hundred years on the Chinese market.
Andrew Which is so weird. The Chinese market has been the last 60 years trying to recreate the Swiss manufacturing processes with likely this saturation of to Tony in China, in China's market as the, as an inspiration.
Everett Now I will say, um, I have seen some comments online that they are Chinese owned or perhaps partially Chinese owned. I am not willing to like say I'm confident that that's not true, but I have, um,
Andrew Globalization, man.
Everett I have spent enough time looking at this to say I don't believe that's true. I believe that they are wholly owned by the Schlupp family in Switzerland. That's what I think is true. If you came back and gave me evidence that they were Chinese-owned, I would be like, okay, sorry. I'm not going to say that that's impossible, but I don't think it's true.
Andrew Red Bull is owned in Austria and Thailand?
Everett I think these guys are owned straight out of Switzerland.
Andrew Red Bull. A brand we have not talked about. Revelat? Revolut, R-E-V-E-L-O-T, a Malaysian micro brand started in 2021. I'm sure we've not talked about this watch brand before. Malaysia is a really interesting emerging watch market. And that whole like Malaysia, Singapore, that market, area of the world is a really interesting manufacturing zone and doing really interesting things globally and we're seeing some of it trickle into the watch market which makes sense so revelat is uh doing or has released a new watch inspired by the durian fruit, which is a really interesting choice. Every time I go to the Asian market, because when I do my grocery runs, I always make a stop by Asian market because there's always a stop. Like there's just always some things that you can't buy at major grocery stores that that I need in the type of food that I make. And I always see durian fruit in the freezer. I'm like, man, I wonder how bad it actually is. You know, I don't know. I kind of just want to get one to cut into it, because by all accounts, the odor is terrible, but if you can get past the nose, the flavors are there. So this watch is inspired by the durian fruit, and I think they've nailed... In a way that Seiko can't or Grand Seiko doesn't. The inspiration of an organic thing into their design in a really subtle way without really having to create the story. Right. If you just say this is inspired by the durian fruit, you look at it and you're like, oh, yeah, I see it. So. Durian fruit, for those of you who aren't familiar, is famously an absolutely grotesque odor and is very popular in Southeast Asia cuisine. And it's a thing that they grow there. It's a thing that they eat. They learn to deal with the... rotten fish smell and eat the yummy fruits. So this is a 39 millimeter dive watch, 13 millimeters thick, 48 lug to lug, using a NH35 movement, a 20 to 18 bracelet taper. I can go for 20 to 16, but I accept 20 to 18, kind of. This is kind of your like run of the mill, micro brand, early iteration dive watch case bezel dial combo. Where they deviate from that kind of off-the-shelf feel is in this kind of spiky textured dial with this really lovely deep green, very intentional yellow markers, yellow on the bezel markings that looks like durian fruit. And here's the real win. It's a durian balance on the second, or not a balance, but a durian on the end of your second hand that though subtle and not like clearly durian, when you know it's there, it's definitely there. And I dig this. For an early release from a micro brand out of Malaysia, this is a fun release. And what is actually like the exciting part is you have a well-specced, Water resistance on this is, shoot. I wanna say 100 meters, I could be wrong. 200 meters. 200 meters of water resistance on a well-specced, clearly early-stage micro-brand watch for the right price, 325 bucks.
Everett You know, it's funny. You say early stage. I don't know that they are.
Andrew It's a four-year-old brand, man.
Everett It is. It is. So Revlot is a four-year-old brand that was launched via Kickstarter in 2021. However, I went back and looked. So Revlot has released, I think, like 200 SKUs.
Andrew Like colorways in like three cases?
Everett No. So like six different watches with multiple colorways dials. I mean, it's nuts. Go back and look at their catalog. All of their watches are still available on their website. It's like at least 100 SKUs. So I was like, well, that's funny. I think this is a factory brand, if I had to guess. Andrew's right about this watch. Let's talk just a second about the Hex Mariner because I think it's really fun. My first thought when I saw this watch was, oh, this is what a Submariner would look like if you designed it in the original Virtua Fighter engine, which is to say it's a polygonal Submariner. And they've called it... The Hex Mariner.
Andrew Okay, so... This is the only watch they've made that I like.
Everett Yeah, they've made a lot of funny watches.
Andrew They've made a lot of butt watches. Not good butts either.
Everett I think this is fine. I think it's cool. It's affordable. It's got some weird stuff. The Rehot says... limited edition King of Fruits. That's funny and weird.
Andrew The durian is the King of Fruits.
Everett No, I know. I know. I'm just saying it's funny. Half of their shit is sold out. This whole thing is weird and fun. I'm fine with it. I think it's cool. And I think you're right, Andrew. It really looks like a durian fruit.
Andrew It really does. Without being weird about it.
Everett And it is weird, but not weird. Yeah, they weren't weird about it. Yeah, this is fine. I'm cool with it. I like it.
Andrew It's yellow loom plots and not Fotina loom plots. That's right. I'm about this. This is a fun piece. It's an NH35, which is exactly how much I would expect. And it's a $325.
Everett It's a great size.
Andrew It's 39 millimeters. The beveling on the bracelet, I think, could maybe be a turnoff for people.
Everett Yeah, whatever. That's what the watch is, though.
Andrew If you don't like it, you don't like that. If you don't like the beveling, you don't like the watch. Everything's angular. A see-through case back with a durian painted on it.
Everett This is really weird and cool, and I like it.
Andrew And they're only making 88, so not many of us are going to have to buy it. Yeah. We're going to get to. That's right. I'd like this watch. I think I'd certainly wear this watch because it's really good green, too. It's this like kind of jade, but without like the shine of it. Green, like turtley green. Yeah, I'd wear the shit out of this watch.
Everett It's cool. I'm with you, Andrew. It's cool. There's nothing original about it.
Andrew And there's also nothing offensive. Yeah. It's perfectly boring. That's my flavor. Yeah. I don't know if durian's my flavor. If I buy a durian next grocery cycle, will you cut into and eat it with me? Yeah.
Everett Okay. Yeah. I like some of their watches more than I like this one. I like some of their Hex Mariners. I do like that kind of minty. Okay, moving on. Moving on. Was that yours or was that mine? That was mine. We both had that on our list.
Andrew We had some pretty significant overlap. There was only about four watches we didn't overlap on.
Everett Yeah, so I'm going to talk briefly about the new Omega Seamaster. You know... Omega revamped their 300 Seamaster, I want to say last year, aluminum bezel, aluminum dial, mesh bracelet. And people were kind of like irritated. They were like, what in the world, Omega? We want a new Seamaster. I think Omega is just in a place where it is disinclined to, to do new they're just not gonna do it this is this is new for omega which is to say subtle slight iteration um well they've just announced they've made a big production of releasing the new omega seamaster diver 300 in orange So it is the same as the black, but it's got orange accents. This is the same 300 that came out in black last year, but it's orange. We've got a flat black matte texture aluminum dial. We've got an orange seconds hand. We've got 12, 3, 6, 9 markers that are outlined in orange. And then we have, if you're so inclined, an orange bracelet or orange rubber strap. Yeah, it's not... That's it. Orange strap, or you can get it on their mesh. They're very nice. Sty the mesh. Doesn't come on a bracelet. Oh, the Seamaster logo is orange too. So this is the 300 meter black that came out last year that people were bummed wasn't different enough. It's just that, but with orange details. That's it.
Andrew That's it. Yeah, so...
Everett 42 millimeters, 300 meters of water resistance, 13.8 thick, which again, too thick. Lug to lug of nearly 50, maybe too long for some people. It's 8806, which is a Meta certified chronometer. And it's 6,500 bucks or 6,800 on the, on the mesh.
Andrew All the articles are like, it's an orange. It's an orange. It's an orange. No, it's fucking black. It's a black. It's just got orange details. It's just got orange outlines.
Everett It's not even orange details. Why didn't they do like a planet ocean orange bezel?
Andrew That.
Everett Yeah. I don't know, because that would have been the right move. It's aluminum, so it's not difficult.
Andrew Just do a... I don't understand. This is even less different than the black, which everyone complained about not being different enough. And I love it. I really do. If I have to choose between the black and the black with the orange, it's black with the orange all day, our day. A Seamaster is very much on my... I need list. Um, and I, I don't know. I, I, I lament that this could be the one cause it, cause it doesn't come on a bracelet cause I want to see master on a bracelet.
Everett Yeah. I know. I, it's weird that these, that, well, I don't know.
Andrew Arguably the most boring Omega release of all time, though.
Everett I think, I mean, Omega's sales. So in the last couple of months, people have started talking about sales figures. In particular, last week, Swatch Group announced that its first half of 2025, sales figures were down 7%. Mm-hmm. I understand that Omega's sales from 2024 were even lower than that. So we're in a world where these manufacturers are going to have to start making decisions. And if this is the decision that Omega's making, I think they might have some trouble. I don't understand.
Andrew Not relative to the other brands they're truly competing with, though.
Everett Yeah. I don't think this does it. If your sales figures are down and this is what you're introducing, it's not going to move the needle.
Andrew And I think this is maybe a much bigger conversation, but Omega has... 24,000 SKUs.
Everett Yeah. I don't know. It's a lot.
Andrew Rolex has 18. Tudor has 100. I don't think Tudor has that many. I think they do because every watch they have comes in eight sizes. And five colors. I think you're overestimating that. I think Omega's struggle is that there's a hundred SKUs of every model they make, and every release is maybe not... They have so many releases. When was the last truly new Rolex release? It was this year. Yeah, the Landmaster or whatever. And preceding that, it's been...
Everett Well, they changed up their dress watch.
Andrew They changed it up, but they didn't release 15 SKUs of a line. You know, not everything comes in 10 varieties and eight sizes. And I think that's maybe where Omega is struggling is that they're maybe trying to appeal to, they're trying to grab more market than maybe exists. I don't know. It's... There's some decisions being made.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. We'll see what happens here. This doesn't... This feels to me like Omega's phoning it in a little bit.
Andrew That's kind of their jam.
Everett Yeah. And it's... Obviously, I'm a huge Omega fan. I think Omega's just... And they're wonderful. But this feels to me like the reversion to the aluminum on the bezel and...
Andrew Make smaller revisions less often and release fewer SKUs. We don't need five colors and then one diamond crusted.
Everett I think their reliance on the coaxial technology, great technology, but their reliance on the coaxial has made their watches bloated, right? We don't get thin omegas anymore. We get these bloated coaxial thick, chunky watches because that's their... That's their main technological gizmo right now. So anyway, struggling. I think they're on the struggle bus, and this feels to me like a struggle bus move.
Andrew And they're competing with, frankly, in the way of SKU releases, like Grand Seiko, right? We have a huge SKU release every two weeks, and it's less than exciting.
Everett Andrew? Anything else you want to talk about today in terms of watches?
Andrew If I'm being really honest, I can skip everything else that I have picked.
Everett I think one more watch that we should talk about. Laurier this last week announced its second collaboration with the Urban Gentry, a.k.a. TGV. The first was the Safari. Really cool watch. Whether or not you appreciate the Urban Gentry... I have over time gone back and forth. Sometimes he really irritates me. Other times, you know, clearly a knowledgeable guy. He was one of the first YouTubers that I watched as I was getting into watches. And then, you know, I think he kind of got a shtick and over time that kind of wore on me. With that said, I've gone back and recently watched videos. He does a good job when he's being informative. because he really knows a lot about watches. He's worked with Lauren and Lorenzo over at Laurier to introduce a Weems watch, Andrew, which is pretty cool. So everybody knows the German Flieger watches from World War II. But the Allied forces used a Longines watch that was designed by P.V.H. Weems or Philip, I can't remember what the middle initials are, V.H. Weems, who was a naval officer. This watch, so first, PVH Weems, if you don't know who he is, go look. He's a really, really brilliant dude, designed a lot of watch stuff. He actually is the person who's credited with designing the rotating bezel, Andrew, and specifically for the Weems watch. Pilots watch. So what this is, is a friction fit external rotating bezel with 60 minutes that uses a crown at four o'clock to lock it in. So you loosen the four o'clock crown, you turn your bezel to where you want it and you lock that crown down. So one of the things that the American military in particular has emphasized its entire history is Field operability, right? The fewer things you have to break, the more reliable your stuff will be. It is the reason why today soldiers wear pants with button flies and not zippers because you can sew a button back on in the field much harder to fix a zipper in the field. You can also work without said button. True, true. So this is sort of an expression of that, right? Rather than having some complicated chronograph movement, what we're going to do is just give you an opportunity to unscrew this really macro machine. Unscrew, turn, re-screw.
Andrew And friction it down. Very little to go wrong here, right? Versus a chronograph movement. It reduces the margin of error down to operator error. That's right. And the American military is super cool with operator error.
Everett that's that's another story um this is so unlike the original weems watches which i think were 34 uh so so you go look at these weems watches because they're really cool original launching weems watches they're tiny and they have this huge fat bezel and just this itty bitty like almost the opposite approach of the German Flieger watches, which are huge, right? It's just maximizing visibility. These are tiny, tiny little porthole dials. Thankfully, TGV and Laurier have opted for a much bigger 37 millimeter case, which I'm joking a little bit because that's still pretty small.
Andrew This is enormous. Oh, God.
Everett Nine millimeters thick. Van Horn was his.
Andrew Philip Van Horn.
Everett I almost said that, and then I didn't want to. Nine millimeters with plus a two millimeter acrylic crystal, which Laurier is known for. This watch is terrific, Andrew. It does have aged lume. It does. And it's Ken Legg colored. I don't love it.
Andrew I don't love that. You know what it also has, though? A slightly aged white dial. Yeah, I think the white's pretty crispy. You think it's aged? It's not. It looks crispy against the aged lume. It is a little amber. But that is like an ambery white. It's not like Christopher Ward crispy glacier white. Uh, it's like, there's some gray in it. There's some aging to it, which makes the aged loom almost forgivable because it's just, it helps. It helps it.
Everett Yeah. It's a mitigating factor. It mitigates. Um, one cool thing about the loom here is it's 3d printed on top of the dial.
Andrew That's cool.
Everett So I think it's substantial and it should glow. It's got a syringe minutes hand and this really gorgeous leaf hour hand. Counterbalance and lollipop second hand with a counterbalance. It's like a dum-dum in a pond. And it's a 90S5 movement, which allows them to make it really thin. I love a 90S5, as some of you will know.
Andrew Your red triangle, your red marker at the 12 on the minute track. This is the color selection on this. was terrific for a vintage-inspired watch.
Everett It's got an H case, but they've engraved the case up to the bezel so that it's got the appearance of a... So it's got the appearance of a traditional lugged watch with an open lugs, but it is an H case. I think this is just a terrific release. I'll give them the lume because that's a decision, but we've got these red accents, red triangle on the bezel, red minute at 12. It's also the Laurier flavor. This is gorgeous, man.
Andrew Everything about this is Laurier, but with like a little bit, it's a little divergent toward a really specific thing.
Everett And that's the urban gentry. That's the urban gentry emphasis, right? Um, this is really cool. I think I like this better than the Safari.
Andrew I agree.
Everett I think, I think TGV and Laurier did a terrific job with this. I, I really, really like this watch. 549, available now.
Andrew Yeah, and it's limited. So we know we're going to like it.
Everett Yep, yep.
Andrew I hope we see these in New York this year.
Everett Andrew, Andrew, other things. Oh, yeah, we did, by the way. We are confirmed. We're going to New York. We have lodging. We haven't bought airfare yet, but we do have lodging. So we will be in New York on Friday. So Friday, October 17th. We'll actually be there the 16th.
Andrew We might be a little weird on the 16th.
Everett I don't know exactly what time we're going to get there yet. But we will be there the morning of the 16th. Ready to roll, guys. So if you're planning to be in New York for wind up. Plan to have a microphone stuck in your face. It could be a euphemism. It could happen. It could happen. Andrew says it might be. It's not.
Andrew It could be, though.
Everett An actual microphone. Andrew, I am running out of time. Other things go.
Andrew So you ever go to the store and you're just wandering through the aisles? Because I have this thing where whenever I go to a large store, like a grocery store, I have to walk through every aisle.
Everett I don't have that.
Andrew I have that thing and it sucks. Especially if I'm going for like three things. I'm like, all right, I'll be back in 45 minutes. My wife has that. I don't have that. I will walk through the aisle and just look in my cart. I don't even look at, I just have to walk through every aisle. I can't not complete the maze. So anyway, I go to the Walmart the other day. And I'm walking through every aisle and I see this thing that, you know, you see these things that are just like, that seems kind of stupid. But it's also not very expensive. So I think that like maybe I'll just like get it and give it a try. I know you've seen that. So I'm walking through the outdoor section of the Walmart and I see the Blackstone Professional Griddle Breakfast Kit. Among all of the other, like the entire aisle of Blackstone. and grilling accessories. But what really caught my eye, I already have silicone egg molds and egg rings because they are fantastic. If you don't have those, just do it. They're cheap on the Amazon. It's got a little bacon press, which was actually kind of clever. But here's what really sold me. a pancake batter dispenser. And you can get these on Amazon from like 10 to 20 bucks. I got this because it was in front of me. I was interested. So what this is, is a top feeding, bottom flowing pancake batter dispenser. And I will tell you, this... is a game changer in the way of pancake batter making. My pancake game, send the griddle away. Having a squeeze bottle, because I never make pancake batter and put it into a squeeze bottle. I have a bunch of those. But putting this into basically a cylinder with a valve at the bottom, almost a pastry tube, is phenomenal. You just... three pancakes in your pan, or if you have a large griddle, nine pancakes onto your griddle. They're all equally sized. They're all evenly distributed. so much cleaner than using a cup because everyone makes pancake batter in a big ass bowl and then they use some kind of like a scoop like whether it's like take your pick of the of the thing that you use or you pour it and you make a huge fucking mess on your counter you drip it all over your pan this you pour it into your vessel squeeze it squeeze it squeeze it it's a it's a ketchup bottle basically is the squeeze indexed it is a lever so it opens a
Everett valve at the bottom and then you let go of the of the lever on your handle and closes it it's downstairs so i worked at a restaurant that that we used one of these but it it it was precise so when you squeezed it once it let out oh that's a specific amount and i was like this is so terrific but this i mean andrew this is this is terrific this is terrific This is what other things are supposed to be.
Andrew It's so dumb. This is what other things are supposed to be. It changes your pancake game. It doesn't matter if you're using a blackstone. If you're using a cast iron, if you're using a griddle on your stove, I don't know what else a person would make pancakes with.
Everett And they're all perfectly round, too.
Andrew Yeah, because of the way you're pouring. It's a center impact, spreads out evenly, cooks evenly. Terrific. And there's a hundred million varieties. I've seen them before. I finally picked one up and I'm telling you, even without a Blackstone, I wish I had this before.
Everett I got to get a Blackstone, man. You guys are making me jealous with all your Blackstone stuff.
Andrew I didn't cook on it the last couple days. I cooked breakfast on it this morning. I made, my kids called them folded eggs. They're omelets. And sausage. You do a folded omelet. Yeah, I just put a layer out. Cookier filling on the side. No, my youngest is lactose intolerant, so I can't do cheese and stuff. So I pulled some chives out of the garden and just chopped them up and threw them in. Once I put the egg sheet down and then just roll it. But then sausage and hash browns on it this morning. It's so easy. The cleanup is like you just squirt some water on it, break up all the burnt food, scrape it into the back, give it a little conditioning. I need to do the LP conversion. I've gone through an entire propane tank. I love it.
Everett Yeah. I've got another thing.
Andrew Do me.
Everett Zero day on Netflix.
Andrew Yes.
Everett De Niro.
Andrew Yes.
Everett It is a limited series. Watched it with my wife and my daughter over about three days, six episodes. So I think we watched about two episodes per day. So here's why I'm going to talk about this. It is a tomato meter of 53 and a popcorn meter of 53, which suggests that almost exactly half of the people who have watched this thing gave it an overall positive review, which is insane to me. It's insane. This is, okay, so it's not going to change your life. You're not going to watch this and be like, oh my God, and tell everybody. But you will, first of all, it's six episodes, which is such a nice, I love a limited series.
Andrew I've watched it twice.
Everett Oh, you have? Mm-hmm.
Andrew First time I kind of second screened and I was like, that was disrespectful to what just happened. I'm going to watch it again.
Everett De Niro is good, if not great. De Niro's getting old. And in this movie, he is old. Yeah. And he's good. In that context, he's good. It's got Jesse Plemons, and he is... The most underrated actor. Excellent.
Andrew Underutilized actor of his generation.
Everett He is excellent in this movie. It's got Lizzie Kaplan, if you know who that is, who's terrific.
Andrew Similar to Jesse Plemons, but not at the scale or enthusiasm.
Everett Look, it is so damn good. that I was like, I want to talk about this. I just want to talk about this. I do think, Andrew, it's got Connie Britton, and she's okay. And it's got Angela Bassett as the president, and she fucking nails it. She nails it. Now, I think there are some really reasonable criticisms. Every single character with zero exceptions is underdeveloped.
Andrew It's a six-part miniseries. It's hard to fully develop characters in that span of time and tell the story they're trying to tell because they were way too ambitious with what they could accomplish in that short period of time.
Everett It was like season 10 of Game of Thrones. They give you a bunch of legend and don't really explain the legend, which is fine. But the way they roll the story out is fantastic. I will say, the end, the ending, I found the ending... wrapped up but slightly unsatisfying um and you'll know you'll know when you get to about 20 minutes left in the series and you haven't answered all the questions you'll know there's no way that they can and and they manage to do the thing they manage to to button it up and and they avoid the pitfall of telling you too much and ruining it
Andrew They split the difference between season two of True Detective and the finale of Game of Thrones. They split the difference, right? Where Game of Thrones was like, oh, we'll just tie it up real quick. We're hog tying, we're roping. And then season two of True Detective where they're just like, or even lost, where they just like didn't answer shit.
Everett Yeah. The people that don't like this, the 47% of people that didn't like it didn't like one of two things. One, they didn't like how shallow the characters were because each of them is a little shallow.
Andrew All of them.
Everett Or two, they didn't like how much of the story is untold. Right?
Andrew But that's kind of maybe a cool way to tell a story. I think so. It's like Cloverfield vibes, right? Yeah. Like it assumes a ton of knowledge and leaves a lot of storytelling to you in your mind.
Everett There is some shit that's going on that is like, like if that's real, like my head's going to explode. But they don't, like, there's some intrigue.
Andrew There's also some maybe, like, don't look up vibes of, like, you're ignoring the things that are there. I think it was intentional. I think the untold story was deliberate. Just based on how deliberate the rest of the story was, I think it was intentional to, like, do a thing. And it did the thing in that it was dissatisfying to people because they were uninformed.
Everett This podcast host, this human who's talking to you right now, says this is much, much, much better than 53 and 53 on Rotten Tomatoes would suggest. So if you look at those numbers and you're dissuaded by them, give it a chance. Because De Niro was good. Everyone was good.
Andrew Clemens was good.
Everett You're not going to hate it. You're not going to hate it. You're going to enjoy the roughly six hours you invest in this. You're going to enjoy it.
Andrew It had like a House of Cards-like kind of feel to it.
Everett Yeah. What was the... Like House of Cards maybe meets... Maybe it's Black Mirror. Yeah, kind of Black Mirror-y. Yeah. It's better. Now, there's one storyline that, well, I'm not going to say anymore.
Andrew There's a lot of things. We'll talk to you afterwards. And also kind of the flavor of like the new Captain America, like with like this, yeah, it was really interesting. I think everything that it was deliberate, I think they did it right.
Everett Agreed. Andrew, I hear the music. I don't know why they do this to us every week. They start playing the music. Blashing the light. Yeah. Anything you want to add before we go? Tip your waitresses. We're here next week. Hey, thanks for joining us for this episode of 40 in 20 of the Watch Clicker Podcast. Do me a favor. Go to our website. It's watchclicker.com. It's just .com, normal .com. That's where we post articles, pictures, other things like that. Watchclicker.com. If you want to follow us on social media, you can do that on Instagram. watch clicker or at 40 and 20 underscore watch clicker and if you want to support us holy shit i just spent 600 on hosting for the website uh you can do that at patreon.com slash 40 and 20 we actually need the support now that we just paid for hosting uh and don't don't forget to tune back in next tuesday for another hour of watches food drinks life and other things we like bye